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On 2006-05-03 14:45:00, TheWho wrote:

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On 2006-05-03 14:36:00, Nihilanthic wrote:


"If it was real you couldnt do a damn thing, because obviously this girl is Shadowcat? from the X-Men, or some super-secret-fuckin'-agent to be, and a TBS couldnt keep her cooped up anyway.





As I said before, call the CIA and say you got a promising new agent for them."

Ha,Ha,  perfect --



This is what I thought,  I think eventually you will see that some kids would benefit from a TBS.  I dont expect you to admit it (I have been here long enough and know better), but not all kids are placed because of smoking pot or dating the wrong guy as people are telling you here.  Many kids are truly at-risk and do very well at these places.

Time will tell."

What are you not understanding here?

You're essentially saying, "Okay, this is a fake story that would never happen, but what if it did?"  Then someone says that it doesn't matter, that situation never happens, and you say, "A-ha!  So some kids would benefit from a program!"

You're saying if A, then B.  I (and others) have said Not A.  And you are still saying, okay, Not A, but B.  It makes no sense.

How do you get from Point A to Point B?  One premise does not a conclusion make.  

You're also ignoring that the focus most people on this site have is not on what happens before the program, it's the programs themselves that are inherently bad.  People like you come on this site and say stuff like, "But what about 12-year-old drug-addicted hookers with magic powers?" to try to get everyone to sway on where they would draw the line and ignore the fact that, oh wait, we don't need to worry about that.  It would never happen.  And the programs are still abusive, 12-year-old drug-addicted hooker or not.

On 2006-05-03 12:41:00, TheWho wrote:

"Anyway,lets move on, there was no comparisons being made, here is what was said:



I think you missed my point. It seems the great majority here believes the parents are to blame. That the kids were just days away from a full scholarship at an ivy leagues school when they were plucked up, hand cuffed and sent off to prison for years and never knew why. We read stories like the one above (which is more realistic than many others that are embraced here) and people believe it is bs because they can not give any advice except for the route that is inevitable which is placement outside the home, so its easy to say, aw it?s a bs story.



Bottom line is that we don?t know what the root cause of these teens becoming at risk. They come from families which are good, bad and mediocre. The teen suicide rate in this country is thru the roof and the majority feel the parents should sit back and do nothing.







[ This Message was edited by: TheWho on 2006-05-03 12:42 ]"

I said the story was BS.  I don't recall saying anything about Ivy league colleges or anything else like that.  I didn't even say anything about any other story that I believe or not.  Why are you attributing anything else to me other than, "This story is BS"?  

No, I don't have any solutions for this bullshit story.  The windows are nailed shut and the mom sleeps in front of the door, and the "12-year-old" still gets out?  The police say no crime has been committed when clearly one has?  (Runaway and beyond parental control both come to mind.  My parents were fond of kicking me out of the house, then having me arrested for running away.)  Um, what else...oh, there are NO local resources...all types of therapy have been exhausted.  No, I don't know what to say about this.  But it doesn't fucking matter, because this is a story that would NEVER EVER happen.

This is the kind of story that only a program supporter would make up to freak people out of common sense.  The only 12-year-old girls at the program I went to were little girls who had uber-religious parents.  They were sent to the program for being defiant.  They had never done drugs or had sex.  (Curiously, several of them confided in me that their unber-religious fathers had molested them, and that their pissed off mothers sent them away for seducing them.)  We never had an actual "drug addict" come in to the program.  

Most girls there were from upper-middle class suburban families who were embarrassed because their kids walked around with pink hair and a pierced face.  A lot of them experimented with drugs, and a lot of them were not going to school.  I'm sure a lot of them were what they're parents might consider "promiscuous."  

My own parents considered sex outside of marriage to be promiscuous, even though both admittedly had done so themselves.  I had never had sex by the time I was sent away, never had a boyfriend, but I don't think they believed me.  They also considered drug experimentation to be a "detrimental lifestyle," even though both had done so when they were teenagers.  ("It was different back then.  It was the 60s.")

Anyway, I stick to my belief that this story was BS.  And I think it's hilarious how your deductive reasoning works, by the way.  It's totally illogical.

Leave me with money for college, so that I won't be in debt up to my eyeballs ten years later.

On 2006-05-02 10:56:00, Anonymous wrote:

"This entire thread is trollbait. Complete bullshit. "

Agreed.

On 2006-05-01 07:23:00, CaughtInTheMiddle wrote:

"It is I the Bad Aunt that posted that. Sorry if you don't like my post. I am very proud of Alex. I also believe he will be successes full in time with some speed bumps in his path. The point of the post was that your mom may not see all the signs if things may start to happen again. Look how long you kept the wool over her eyes it took me telling her. It said NOTHING AGAINST ALEX. Nice how you put a twist on it. He would be successful living at home also. It may even be easier for him. It is not you and your household that is helping or pushing him in that direction.



Alex I know you read this. Call if you would like to talk about this post. I will be talking to you soon. I have my feelings love ya! Fun Cop"

I suppose it must be hard to admit that he could possibly do well without mommy and daddy breathing down his neck.  So you have to cast doubt on whether he is really doing well, and how long it is going to last.  Maybe you people were just wrong.

Bubba,

Take a deep breath and fiercely shake out your mullet.

Now, spit out the chew, put your teeth back in and drive your pickup back to the trailer.  Open an icy cold can of Pabst and tell Debbie Jo you want to relax in your second-hand Lazy Boy and watch Jerry Springer while she cooks you your pot-pie.  If she burns it, slap her across the face.

There, that's better.

I'm enjoying it.  Put more!  

That Leslie!  Sounds like she wants absolute Stepford before she'll be happy.  It reminds me of when I came home for a visitat age 16 1/2, after being in my program for 2 years.  My parents wouldn't let me stay home because I watched Breakfast Club, and movie that showed I "still had rebellion in my heart."

No.  Michael Palmer.