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Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on April 22, 2005, 01:42:00 PM
There is some information about "Straight-like" programs on Wes Fager's website,but I have been looking a bunch of garbage on http://www.thestraights.com (http://www.thestraights.com)
It just gets worse!
Wes provides more and more links to total nonsense websites.
Now Wes' website contains about 5% information about Straight-like programs and 95% absolute garbage.
Wes has really hurt our cause and now I would NEVER direct anyone to his website in order to educate them about the conditions we endured in the Straight-like programs.
Wes constantly writes about himself in the 3rd person omnicient and makes up "headlines" about himself.
Wes has slipped in to the realm of "big fat liar".
Thanks Wes!
With friends like Wes,who needs enemies like Melvin and Betty?
Oh,and another thing,Wes.Please say hello to your close personal friend Bigfoot for me the next time he drops by your house for tea.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Antigen on April 22, 2005, 03:51:00 PM
Or maybe it's just over your head.

No synonym for God is so perfect as Beauty. Whether as seen carving the lines of the mountains with glaciers, or gathering matter into stars, or planning the movements of water, or gardening - still all is Beauty!
-- John Muir

Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Tony Stark on April 22, 2005, 06:42:00 PM
Fager was at NATO at the time right after I left. His cause is freemasonary and computers. He also did a lot of slandering my me.Now he'll never tell you the truth about anything or he'll get his eyes gouged out or his tongue cut out. He's in a big cult. :smokin:

We can easily forgive a child who is afraid
of the dark. The real tragedy of life is
when men are afraid of the light.
--Plato

Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on April 22, 2005, 09:40:00 PM
Quote
On 2005-04-22 15:42:00, Iron Man wrote:

"Fager was at NATO at the time right after I left. His cause is freemasonary and computers. He also did a lot of slandering my me.Now he'll never tell you the truth about anything or he'll get his eyes gouged out or his tongue cut out. He's in a big cult. :smokin:

We can easily forgive a child who is afraid
of the dark. The real tragedy of life is
when men are afraid of the light.
--Plato


"


Preach on, Iron Man! I love it when you psychotics rant on these boards....
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Tony Stark on April 22, 2005, 10:00:00 PM
Tell me what you see. ok? He may have changed technology at NATO haedquarters. But I've got one dead Italian guy's casket on my wall. It's called Aldo Moro art. Love Thy enemy. Oh boy, He wasn't ready to let communist's on his board of directors. The red skull couldn't find anybody else to die in my place again. So I had to baker act myself just to avoid a bunch of evil caretakers at an ALF. Thank God I'm home.

I can very well do without God both in my life and in my painting, but I cannot, suffering as I am, do without something which is greater than I am, which is my life, the power to create.
--Vincent Van Gogh, Dutch painter



_Everything I create gets ripped off by somebody else. If you've got a problem with Americanism. Take it up with Captain America. Let him fight the Red Skull._ :smokin: _______________
"This is a Republic"-Miquel Reese-VA Man[ This Message was edited by: Iron Man on 2005-04-22 19:05 ]
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on April 22, 2005, 10:20:00 PM
Dude, a while back you posted your daily regimen of drugs.....do you think maybe TBPITW would be a better way?

Just curious.....rant on, bro!
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Tony Stark on April 23, 2005, 12:11:00 AM
Well now the Pope can rest RIP in Hell. I've seen them die like that in person. But the Red Bridge is getting bigger and bigger. My contact in Latvia tells me the Russians are getting to kill more people like 9/11.The American KGB is everywhere. Especially in your mental institutiuons, if not in your Mass Media. In cluding your internet now since the reforms on the FCC took place. I did my diplomacy with China just to give them the chance the Italians don't have. But you've got Sembler's as ambassadors to Italy and you can count on it hitting here too big-time. I'm just glad I read the word and studied it before it disappeared from my possesion. You all won't have a bible to read. IF this Republic is to be fully established. I've got a woman from the Nixon years on a cabinet position. I'm not worried. I'm going to survive. I don't have to die and I can live a long-time and they are not going to torchure me anymore. I'm financially set and ready for more chaos. Oh by the way I did alert microsoft about 9/11 before it happened but all of the sudden I got screwed over by my psychiatrist doctor Magnus. DR. Ryan Magnus. He loves China too. SOB even gave me zyprexa with no side effect pill. If you want to get a dose of Americanism just look at the brainwashing the free-world does. Some guy who rules Italy has all the media controlled. People are still without jobs and are not being taken care of. You can call me "psychotic" all you want. I consider it one of my gifts. YOU don't have.Take me off of all my medicine and you'd be surprized how many things I can do for real. I've seen the man-child. I've been baptized by water at 1 years old. Spirit at 18 and fire somewhere along the lines of early thirties. I've still got a lot of time left. And I don't have to die. You can disable me with your chemicals but you know I've got my own back ups for liver maintenence and I've also got a lifetime pension.What am I worried about. I'm not going anywhere.As long as I don't submit to  Madonna the "double D", and avoid Betty Cracker and her gang of perverts I'm safe. She fought her way outa the Seed and joined the mob. Her kid is a hot man from the mafia and I've had his whole operation in check for years. As for my brother? I could be glad he stays in Montana. He had a dose of the "Kid" who is on his way back here to find himself taken into custody when he gets off the bus. He's a sociopath. Just like just dad John T. Addis.Only John Russell Addis has arryan tatoos on his face and snitch tatooes from New York for more drug smuggling. He' a con man and just will be nothing but an HIV fuck-boy.He had his chance several times. He blew it everytime. You know what? That could have been one of the individuals that could have used my chair at the Seed. It's not there anymore. I've no time for a democracy as it is written down and not amended to protect it's citizens and give us a free media.What are you complaining about me for? Go out and buy a VOOM sattelite television system.The dollar crunch is over. Buy Chinese. It's as open a market as it can be right now. Take advantage. Freedom? HA! In your mind. That's all you need. If you haven't been studying and seeking well I'm really sorry. I have. Watch who sponsor's you so called "slime oozing out of your television sets".If you visit them your just feeding the machine more and more. oil? HA my last guardian was sckull and crossbones. A real Irish Republican Episcapalean bastard.I learned enough to know a few of his ways and some insider news. The fucker even tried to get me to market rain. What a fucking joke. You can't buy rain. That cocksucker even had the balls to eject when I quit covering my ass and came clean. Yeah, He's a war criminal too. Bombed the Holy Shit outa Japan. That's how deep Kernal Douglas Bell was in his trip. He was a soda jerk too. One greedy banker that abused my rights. Doesn't even know he's a gentile. Psychotic ravings? Ha! I got eyes, I got ears. I got a mouth that works quite well on automatic pilot. If you've no clairavoyance or never left this planet or seen the depths of Hell and came back alive for a newv sta4rt you just haven't bottomed out yet. If your using...............count on bottoming out. Just make sure you got somebody to care for your comatose body before you get back.And don't slash your wrists either. That way they win. You lose.Reality hits hard. You never know when the scales will tip. That's reference to real sincere suicide. It's not pre-meditated. I happen to like being a Socialist. I got the fucking national guard protecting my residence after some Haitian voodoo cult tried to kill my ass. His name is Ron Reinhardt Jr. and his wife Laura. In a freaking crooked hotel room in Clearwater beach. Why? They think they've got it made. I still get psychic battery from them all. The Richard Elliot Band? Oh please kill the fuckers. Those brothers aren't that faboulas.I knew them when they started out. I was their first bassman. Jazz-snobs and smooth jazz freaks. Elevator trash. Like breaking fool money with all that magick behind it and the phoney story lines before every song. You like elevator music? I don't. People pay to watch this. And it even sells, but I'm telling you the boyz in the band just are copycats on techniues and titles. Nothing original about either one of those boys. Plaguerist in their early days.Ever seen a "Sound Barrier" set at a lounge, or a dance club you'd be amazed at what tricks were up their sleeves. I'm just glad I don't have to jump through hoops for them phoney baloneys.The show is all fake.SR. is a veteran. Navy school of music.Real nanny goat musician. "Norm's Place" in Clearwater. The place for suckers.

By the year 2000, we will, I hope, raise our children to believe in human potential, not God.
--Gloria Steinam, women's rights activist



_This one ain't over til your fat lady dies. You really want to pretend your human? Be my guest. I'm not here to change anybody.________________
"This is a Republic"-Miquel Reese-VA Man[ This Message was edited by: Iron Man on 2005-04-22 21:14 ]
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: linchpin on April 23, 2005, 11:13:00 AM
Goddamn  :cry2:
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on April 23, 2005, 03:02:00 PM
Quote
On 2005-04-22 21:11:00, Iron Man wrote:

"Well now the Pope can rest RIP in Hell. I've seen them die like that in person. But the Red Bridge is getting bigger and bigger. My contact in Latvia tells me the Russians are getting to kill more people like 9/11.The American KGB is everywhere. Especially in your mental institutiuons, if not in your Mass Media. In cluding your internet now since the reforms on the FCC took place. I did my diplomacy with China just to give them the chance the Italians don't have. But you've got Sembler's as ambassadors to Italy and you can count on it hitting here too big-time. I'm just glad I read the word and studied it before it disappeared from my possesion. You all won't have a bible to read. IF this Republic is to be fully established. I've got a woman from the Nixon years on a cabinet position. I'm not worried. I'm going to survive. I don't have to die and I can live a long-time and they are not going to torchure me anymore. I'm financially set and ready for more chaos. Oh by the way I did alert microsoft about 9/11 before it happened but all of the sudden I got screwed over by my psychiatrist doctor Magnus. DR. Ryan Magnus. He loves China too. SOB even gave me zyprexa with no side effect pill. If you want to get a dose of Americanism just look at the brainwashing the free-world does. Some guy who rules Italy has all the media controlled. People are still without jobs and are not being taken care of. You can call me "psychotic" all you want. I consider it one of my gifts. YOU don't have.Take me off of all my medicine and you'd be surprized how many things I can do for real. I've seen the man-child. I've been baptized by water at 1 years old. Spirit at 18 and fire somewhere along the lines of early thirties. I've still got a lot of time left. And I don't have to die. You can disable me with your chemicals but you know I've got my own back ups for liver maintenence and I've also got a lifetime pension.What am I worried about. I'm not going anywhere.As long as I don't submit to  Madonna the "double D", and avoid Betty Cracker and her gang of perverts I'm safe. She fought her way outa the Seed and joined the mob. Her kid is a hot man from the mafia and I've had his whole operation in check for years. As for my brother? I could be glad he stays in Montana. He had a dose of the "Kid" who is on his way back here to find himself taken into custody when he gets off the bus. He's a sociopath. Just like just dad John T. Addis.Only John Russell Addis has arryan tatoos on his face and snitch tatooes from New York for more drug smuggling. He' a con man and just will be nothing but an HIV fuck-boy.He had his chance several times. He blew it everytime. You know what? That could have been one of the individuals that could have used my chair at the Seed. It's not there anymore. I've no time for a democracy as it is written down and not amended to protect it's citizens and give us a free media.What are you complaining about me for? Go out and buy a VOOM sattelite television system.The dollar crunch is over. Buy Chinese. It's as open a market as it can be right now. Take advantage. Freedom? HA! In your mind. That's all you need. If you haven't been studying and seeking well I'm really sorry. I have. Watch who sponsor's you so called "slime oozing out of your television sets".If you visit them your just feeding the machine more and more. oil? HA my last guardian was sckull and crossbones. A real Irish Republican Episcapalean bastard.I learned enough to know a few of his ways and some insider news. The fucker even tried to get me to market rain. What a fucking joke. You can't buy rain. That cocksucker even had the balls to eject when I quit covering my ass and came clean. Yeah, He's a war criminal too. Bombed the Holy Shit outa Japan. That's how deep Kernal Douglas Bell was in his trip. He was a soda jerk too. One greedy banker that abused my rights. Doesn't even know he's a gentile. Psychotic ravings? Ha! I got eyes, I got ears. I got a mouth that works quite well on automatic pilot. If you've no clairavoyance or never left this planet or seen the depths of Hell and came back alive for a newv sta4rt you just haven't bottomed out yet. If your using...............count on bottoming out. Just make sure you got somebody to care for your comatose body before you get back.And don't slash your wrists either. That way they win. You lose.Reality hits hard. You never know when the scales will tip. That's reference to real sincere suicide. It's not pre-meditated. I happen to like being a Socialist. I got the fucking national guard protecting my residence after some Haitian voodoo cult tried to kill my ass. His name is Ron Reinhardt Jr. and his wife Laura. In a freaking crooked hotel room in Clearwater beach. Why? They think they've got it made. I still get psychic battery from them all. The Richard Elliot Band? Oh please kill the fuckers. Those brothers aren't that faboulas.I knew them when they started out. I was their first bassman. Jazz-snobs and smooth jazz freaks. Elevator trash. Like breaking fool money with all that magick behind it and the phoney story lines before every song. You like elevator music? I don't. People pay to watch this. And it even sells, but I'm telling you the boyz in the band just are copycats on techniues and titles. Nothing original about either one of those boys. Plaguerist in their early days.Ever seen a "Sound Barrier" set at a lounge, or a dance club you'd be amazed at what tricks were up their sleeves. I'm just glad I don't have to jump through hoops for them phoney baloneys.The show is all fake.SR. is a veteran. Navy school of music.Real nanny goat musician. "Norm's Place" in Clearwater. The place for suckers.

By the year 2000, we will, I hope, raise our children to believe in human potential, not God.

--Gloria Steinam, women's rights activist





_This one ain't over til your fat lady dies. You really want to pretend your human? Be my guest. I'm not here to change anybody.________________

"This is a Republic"-Miquel Reese-VA Man[ This Message was edited by: Iron Man on 2005-04-22 21:14 ]"


Rant on, Dude!  Every time I think I'm going nuts, I read your posts and feel relatively sane.  Thank you for providing such a wonderful public service.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on April 23, 2005, 09:38:00 PM
Wes FAKER
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: webcrawler on April 23, 2005, 09:51:00 PM
This shit is too wrong and if people feel like he's not doing what he should do for our cause then maybe they should get out there and do something. Real easy for people to be so critcal of someone when they are being arm chair activists.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on April 24, 2005, 12:32:00 AM
It is true that Wes Fager's website is 95% garbage.
He is hurting our cause plain and simple.
I can dog him all I want because he puts his shit out there and I have every right to critique it.
Any good info on Fager's website is overshadowed by the enormous amount of garbage and even lies about unrelated stuff.
His website is titled TheStraights,but he writes a bunch of garbage that has nothing to do with Straight-like programs,and provides links to trash websites.
If I directed someone to look at his website in order to learn about what we experienced in straight-like programs,they would never be able to wade through the garbage to find the info.
You have not picked your ass up out of your armchair and provided any evidence that what I am saying is not true.
Wes Fager has hurt our cause.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: ` on April 24, 2005, 01:13:00 AM
creepy. i just went there, because i wanted to see for myself before i posted any type of response. Wes has a link to a website that has nothing to do with Straight and everything to do with penis enlargement... another link i just checked out is disturbing... going back to see if those two are flukes... a link to a another site that will, if anyone should click on it, immediately give them a certain impression of the source of the link...

okay. surprising even myself by saying this: i agree. Wes' site could very well be discrediting our cause. i am disgusted by it.

i have been referring people to isaccorp.org, which is very organized, they are also careful to post factual verified evidence. I also refer people to http://www.heal-online.org/#teen (http://www.heal-online.org/#teen), although the name Human Earth Animal Liberation is going to be a little sticky granola to many people, I think.  
[ This Message was edited by: fka on 2005-04-23 22:19 ]
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: webcrawler on April 24, 2005, 01:16:00 AM
Then make a website you feel is better anon.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Antigen on April 24, 2005, 01:58:00 AM
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On 2005-04-23 22:13:00, fka wrote:

 Wes has a link to a website that has nothing to do with Straight and everything to do with penis enlargement


The penis pump story was an attempt to bring publicity to Straight founder, Mel Sembler. So far, it seems to be not working. Sembler keeps dodging it. But it was a valliant and creative attempt. I could dis Rich for a lot of things, but not for this.

"I predict, Sir, that you will die either by hanging or of some vile disease."
 "That all depends, sir, upon whether I embrace your principles or your mistress."
--Disraeli to Gladstone

Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Antigen on April 24, 2005, 02:00:00 AM
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On 2005-04-23 21:32:00, Anonymous wrote:


Wes Fager has hurt our cause."


Oh, and I suppose endless flooding and mantic ranting do a great service to us all? At least he can produce the docs when a journalist calls. WTF have you done lately, except try to disrupt a code and zoning hearing?

Has it occured to you that you fill the bill of a paid provocateur? If you're not paid, well then you're just... easy!

If they can get you to ask the wrong questions they don't have to worry about the answers

--Thomas Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow (Proverbs for Paranoids)



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Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: ` on April 24, 2005, 02:34:00 AM
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On 2005-04-23 22:58:00, Antigen wrote:

"
Quote

On 2005-04-23 22:13:00, fka wrote:


 Wes has a link to a website that has nothing to do with Straight and everything to do with penis enlargement




The penis pump story was an attempt to bring publicity to Straight founder, Mel Sembler. So far, it seems to be not working. Sembler keeps dodging it. But it was a valliant and creative attempt. I could dis Rich for a lot of things, but not for this."


Wes' site gives me the impression that he has a peurile obsession with the whole penis thing. It turns it into a disgusting joke and it does not necessarily look like it is Sembler that is the butt of the joke.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: webcrawler on April 24, 2005, 02:34:00 AM
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On 2005-04-23 21:32:00, Anonymous wrote:

"It is true that Wes Fager's website is 95% garbage.

He is hurting our cause plain and simple.

I can dog him all I want because he puts his shit out there and I have every right to critique it.

Any good info on Fager's website is overshadowed by the enormous amount of garbage and even lies about unrelated stuff.

His website is titled TheStraights,but he writes a bunch of garbage that has nothing to do with Straight-like programs,and provides links to trash websites.

If I directed someone to look at his website in order to learn about what we experienced in straight-like programs,they would never be able to wade through the garbage to find the info.

You have not picked your ass up out of your armchair and provided any evidence that what I am saying is not true.

Wes Fager has hurt our cause."



I'm not sure what you mean as "I have not provided any evidence as to what your saying is untrue". I just disagree with you. From what I have witnessed Wes has made a lot of effort to get the attention of the public. I have read his website and I find it very valuable so I suppose by me finding the website an asset for myself does invalidate your claim. It may be garbage in your opinion, but not everyone shares your opinion. What is there to prove? Can you prove he has hurt our cause?
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Antigen on April 24, 2005, 03:24:00 AM
Quote
On 2005-04-23 23:34:00, fka wrote:


Wes' site gives me the impression that he has a peurile obsession with the whole penis thing. It turns it into a disgusting joke and it does not necessarily look like it is Sembler that is the butt of the joke."


Yeah, I can't argue against that. But you have to admit he's got a solid right to be that pissed off.

There's a whole lot of info there. The headlines are designed to grab some base interest. They do that. It's just not geared to the causal surfer. And I DO wish he'd do away w/ the music! It's just annoying, especially to people who turn it off, click on a link, then hit the back button and have to turn the shit off again!

Have you considered that system of holy lies and pious frauds that has raged and triumphed for 1500 years.
--John Adams, U.S. President

Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on April 24, 2005, 03:48:00 AM
"Then make a website you feel is better,Anon"

I dont have to make a website just because I critique Wes Fager's website.

I think McDonalds hamburgers suck,and I can even make a better hamburger than McDonalds,but I dont have to open a hamburger restaurant just because I think McDonalds sucks and is dangerous to the public,even people who dont eat at McDonalds.McDonalds gives the whole world the wrong impression of what a real hamburger tastes like.

Wes Fager is a kook!
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Antigen on April 24, 2005, 04:12:00 AM
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On 2005-04-24 00:48:00, Anonymous wrote:

I dont have to make a website just because I critique Wes Fager's website.


No, but if you can't make a better hamburger than McDonald's sugar saturated cardboard, you are one LAME dick! You seem to be demanding that McDonalds (Wes) make a better hamburger (website) to meet your demanding needs. It's not hard to put up a damned website. Hell, I do it and, by your estimation, I'm a fucking idiot. So show me (us) how it's done, brizmo! Show us how it's done!

The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able may have a gun.
-- Patrick Henry

Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: ` on April 24, 2005, 04:35:00 AM
But critique is good.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on April 24, 2005, 09:03:00 AM
Antigen (or whatever name you are using this week)is a well known spammer of this board and should do us all a favour and commit suicide.

This is not about hamburgers.I was talking about hamburgers to illistrate a point,but you have taken the hamburger thing out of context.

Wes Fager has information about Straight-like programs on his website.He also has new softwears for making a better website,so now he fills his website with redundant links that take you in circles,too many "headlines" where he writes imaginary articles about himself in the third person omniciant,and loads of unrelated "political" nonsense links to "bigfoot/UFO" style garbage.His website softwares provide him with a slick looking (much better than before) website,but he is too retarded to put anything in there but crap.
It looks as if Wes has too much time on his hands,so he keeps loading a bunch of shit in to his website.This is all due to him having a guilty concience for causing his mentally ill sons death and torturing other peoples children when he himself was an abusive oldcommer parent.
The Fager website sucks and makes us all look like a bunch of kooks!
I will NEVER direct anybody to look at the Fager website in order to educate them about the abuse we suffered at the Straight-like programs.
RickRoss.com has lots of stuff not related to Straight,but his information in the form of newspaper articles is a better choice for educating the public.Fager confuses the public.The Fager website REPELS the public.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: ` on April 24, 2005, 09:54:00 AM
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On 2005-04-24 06:03:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Antigen (or whatever name you are using this week)is a well known spammer of this board and should do us all a favour and commit suicide."


that's a little reactionary. do you wish everyone who disagrees with you would kill themself? i think you are actually doing a pretty good job debating here, aside from comments like these. i like the hamburger analogy, it made me think, because i had earlier been going to say make a better website. but i think you're right, people have the right to criticize the website.

i guess the one thing i would say is be as factual in your critique as you can, just like you want Wes' site to be factual. otherwise people might dismiss the rest of what you have to say. when you state a statistic like "95% garbage", people might automatically think that is an inflated statistic and discount the other things you say.

for example, i just did a search on his site for "bigfoot" and "ufo" and found nothing, except that you were kidding about the bigfoot/ufo thing. :lol:   maybe i should have known you were kidding, but there is some picture of an alien on his site, and links to other stupid stuff, so i thought it might be true! which i guess proves your point!
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on April 24, 2005, 10:07:00 AM
You have taken the "bigfoot/UFO" thing out of context.I mentiond those to illustrate the genre of the links Wes Fager provides on his website.

I was serious about my desire for "Antigen" to commit suicide.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: ` on April 24, 2005, 10:25:00 AM
yes, i see now you were making a point with the bigfoot/ufo thing.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on April 24, 2005, 11:04:00 AM
I have to agree that Fager's site is lame. Cluttered, out of date, under-archived, and pontificating (got a new thesaurus for Christmas.)
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Troll Control on April 24, 2005, 12:56:00 PM
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On 2005-04-24 01:12:00, Antigen wrote:

"
Quote

On 2005-04-24 00:48:00, Anonymous wrote:


I dont have to make a website just because I critique Wes Fager's website.




No, but if you can't make a better hamburger than McDonald's sugar saturated cardboard, you are one LAME dick! You seem to be demanding that McDonalds (Wes) make a better hamburger (website) to meet your demanding needs. It's not hard to put up a damned website. Hell, I do it and, by your estimation, I'm a fucking idiot. So show me (us) how it's done, brizmo! Show us how it's done!

The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able may have a gun.
-- Patrick Henry


"

Antigen, I've told you before how incredibly sexy I find it when an angry woman starts using dirty language.

Please, DON'T TEASE!!
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: webcrawler on April 24, 2005, 01:04:00 PM
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On 2005-04-24 00:48:00, Anonymous wrote:

""Then make a website you feel is better,Anon"



I dont have to make a website just because I critique Wes Fager's website.



I think McDonalds hamburgers suck,and I can even make a better hamburger than McDonalds,but I dont have to open a hamburger restaurant just because I think McDonalds sucks and is dangerous to the public,even people who dont eat at McDonalds.McDonalds gives the whole world the wrong impression of what a real hamburger tastes like.



Wes Fager is a kook!"



What I'm saying instead of just complaining (you call critiquing)do something about it. People always want to complain about things and yet they never get out there and do something about the issue they are upset about.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on April 24, 2005, 01:07:00 PM
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On 2005-04-23 22:13:00, fka wrote:

"creepy. i just went there, because i wanted to see for myself before i posted any type of response. Wes has a link to a website that has nothing to do with Straight and everything to do with penis enlargement... another link i just checked out is disturbing... going back to see if those two are flukes... a link to a another site that will, if anyone should click on it, immediately give them a certain impression of the source of the link...



okay. surprising even myself by saying this: i agree. Wes' site could very well be discrediting our cause. i am disgusted by it.



i have been referring people to isaccorp.org, which is very organized, they are also careful to post factual verified evidence. I also refer people to http://www.heal-online.org/#teen (http://www.heal-online.org/#teen), although the name Human Earth Animal Liberation is going to be a little sticky granola to many people, I think.  

[ This Message was edited by: fka on 2005-04-23 22:19 ]"


Man, if only I could smack the shit out of someone over a computer.  When will THAT pc modification be available?  

What is your "cause" Piet?  What are YOU doing for me and for KIDS still being abused today, you warrior of wonder you?  Researching litigious documents in a library and posting them here between learning to roll joints, kissing the donkey you live next door to, and visiting shrinks that see through your attention craving bullshit?  You say you have been "referring" people to ISACCORP.ORG?  Are you in the assesment/referral industry? Or when you "refer" do you mean that you are telling your shrinks to go check out some website to try to gain insight into your warped busybody Beck loving STRAIGHT raped mind?

Social interaction in a web based forum with people that share a one time similiar experience in a drug rehab does not substantiate a "cause" nor a movement to do anything else aside from post to each other about the value of TBPITW.  Saying that you have a "cause" infers your personal activism against abusive rehabilitation facilities.  Your activism is seemingly limited to part time trips to the library and researching something that is of interest to you.  Ah, what a trooper for "the cause" you are my friend.  Thanks for you hard work and dollars spent for "the cause".  Though you are getting there, 'lil grasshopper, you have not yet done enough to be critical of others that have been a bug in STRAIGHTS ass for years and has spent much effort, time, and money doing so.  Saying that Wes's site is "disgusting" and "discredits our cause" is the dumbest thing you have said since proclaiming that everyone here on fornits are total assholes.  Remember that post?  I do.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Antigen on April 24, 2005, 03:08:00 PM
Ok, I think I see the disconnect here.

You, anon#1, think this is all about the specific incidents that happened to you personally in a shabby warehouse over 20 years ago while Wes goes at it from the perspective of tracking down the money and political influence that has allowed the sadistic, self deluded psychos to get away with it.

In a word, you're too fucking stupid to see the very obvious relavence of the 95% of the content on that site that doesn't just rehash a day-in-the-life in Group.

And the research tying it all together is extremely valuable! Please don't let this ignorant armchair warrior beat you down, Piet. There are litterally tens of thousands of Program vets scattered accross the country in all walks of life. If everybody does just one thing, just writes one salient letter that finds its way to the right eyes and minds or makes one t-shirt or stops one sale or takes out one political operative (as Italians are calling for Sembler's resignation) then we win. It's not necessary for anybody to put their whole life on hold and dedicate themselves completely to "the cause" or even for us all to agree on what "the cause" is.

You two jokers say Wes' site is a waste because it's over your head. Radley Balko, Stanton Peele and Arnold Trebach all say it's a brilliant body of work. I tend to agree w/ the experts in this instance.

so long as the universe had a beginning, we could suppose it had a creator. But if the universe is completely self-contained, having no boundary or edge, it would neither be created nor destroyed it would simply be. What place, then, for a creator?
--stephen Hawking, English scientist

Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Antigen on April 24, 2005, 03:39:00 PM
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On 2005-04-24 09:56:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:


Antigen, I've told you before how incredibly sexy I find it when an angry woman starts using dirty language.



Please, DON'T TEASE!!


"


Aw, fuck off!  :rofl:

You say there is but one way to worship the Great Spirit. If there is but one religion, why do you white people differ so much about it?
--Chief Red Jacket, Seneca Indian Chieftain

Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Tony Stark on April 24, 2005, 03:42:00 PM
McDonalds does diplomacy with Island girls through all kinds of visas. You know what they do? Seduce Americans into marrying and then they have to deal with dictators. I know because I was under a sitter in MPH who told me all about it. Do you want to have a little bite of the Mango? I don't think you do. :smokin: The Lord knows what they do on these islands and he hates it according to my bible.

All are lunatics, but he who can analyze his delusion is called a philosopher.
--Ambrose Bierce

Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: seamus on April 24, 2005, 04:01:00 PM
too,too goddamn funny
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: ` on April 24, 2005, 04:40:00 PM
could someone please tell me why i cry every time that person comes around and says mean stuff. it is stupid because they don't even make sense, i can't even take their post seriously. i have never ever done anything to hurt this person. at least he doesn't scare me off anymore.

Wes' site is not over my head. i went and checked it out and i am disgusted by several of the links. he should clean it up. i think it is about time someone told him this. if i did not already understand about Straight and the political connections, I might very well think the whole thing is lies based on the disgusting links, the sensationalism. it's ridiculous! it's offensive!

the very very part time stuff i do: i do a little research, i post some stuff to get the information out there because what good does it do in my archives. this week i wrote a letter which i just mailed to my congressman asking him to support CA Congressman George Millers new legislation "End Institutional Abuse Against Children Act." I also sent an email to Congressman Miller thanking him for what he is doing. It was in those letters that i made reference to the ISAC and HEAL websites. Miller is the first person in Congress that I have heard of taking such an interest in the issue. Even if the legislation itself is govt bureaucracy, throw money to the states, etc., the principle of the thing is that it would be big to have it pass because it says that it matters how these kids are being treated.

anyway, i know a lot of people are doing the same and even a whole lot more in their spare time. it has been a hard time lately. thanks, troll, for adding to the tears. if you would make fun of someone for trying to find some assistance, as i have been posting about on this forum, then you are making fun of many of us. sometimes i wonder how the other relationships in your life are, if you would come on the internet and torment someone you never met who never did anything to you. i just wonder, of course i have no way of knowing. but i can't imagine that you reserve all of your meanness for me.

Antigen, I did not read the same thing into Anon #1's complaints about Wes' site. Also may I point out that you gave away the identity of an anonymous poster by things you said. also may i point out that in the post before anon #1 said something nasty to you, you posted a total misread of the hamburger thing accompanied by curses and insults. most recently you called the OP "fucking stupid." did OP really deserve all that for stating his opinions regarding Wes' site?

also, i did not say Wes' site is a waste. he has lots of information over there. i don't care what awards he has won, i can have an opinion on the matter without being a "joker". in fact, i was at the college library asking a librarian if she had any ideas about searching in other ways for information. i told her the name of the institution -- "Straight, Inc." She typed it in google or something while i was doing something else, and she brought over a printout of Wes' site, which I had not mentioned to her. She said "here is something, but i would not use this guy as a source..."
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on April 24, 2005, 04:57:00 PM
Ginger I see you learned your lessons well - put downs and abuse for those who disagree with you. I would think Wes would take criticism with the idea of improving his site. Your name calling and abuse is uncalled for. It puts your credibility in question for any person who is looking for points of view on the very organizations you are criticizing. That is too bad.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Antigen on April 24, 2005, 05:11:00 PM
You're right, of course. I don't know why I let the little bastard get to me. Except, of course, that he's now publicly calling for my suicide. That's pretty fucking harsh, don't ya think? I often wish he'd just go away and quit being such a pain in the ass. But I don't really wish any harm to him.

As for the offensive material on Wes sit, I have to disagree w/ you. It's useful. It has meaning. There's a method to the evident madness. See, like it or not, headlines about penis pumps tend to generate more readership and chatter than, say, headlines about abused drug rehab clients.

The whole idea behind Pump-Gate (which, I don't mind saying, I coined that phrase) is to get Bradbury and Sembler ink in the same articles. It's all about making people wonder wtf Mel ever did to Rich to get him so thoroughly and enduringly pissed off.

Knowing as we do the nature of Rich's beef w/ Melvin, don't you find it a bit amusing how bent out of shape he is over this? I mean, come on! It's just a stupid, off color prank. Rich didn't even spit in his face or holler at him or put him on a PB&J diet, far less interrogate him in Group over private journal entries or "bad thoughts".

I think it's funny as hell just for that reason. Mel can dish it out, but he sure can't take it.

By the same token, I think this particular person (who really doesn't try very hard to remain anonymous anyway) accusing anyone of tanking his credibility is just hysterical too.  :rofl:

You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence.

--Charles Austin Beard



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Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Antigen on April 24, 2005, 05:22:00 PM
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On 2005-04-24 13:57:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Ginger I see you learned your lessons well - put downs and abuse for those who disagree with you. I would think Wes would take criticism with the idea of improving his site. Your name calling and abuse is uncalled for. It puts your credibility in question for any person who is looking for points of view on the very organizations you are criticizing. That is too bad. "


Um, the sob asked me to kindly off myself!

The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naive and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair.


--H.L. Mencken

Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: ` on April 24, 2005, 06:51:00 PM
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On 2005-04-24 14:11:00, Antigen wrote:

"...he's now publicly calling for my suicide. That's pretty fucking harsh, don't ya think?"


i am with you there, that was a horrible thing for OP to say to you.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on April 24, 2005, 07:44:00 PM
goddamn it, animals is an idiot and doesn't Get it.

Pietra is an animals ass kisser.

Both of them have very questionable creditionals and both of them appear to have mental problems. Wes website, like it or not, does not deserve to be drug thru the mud by these two losers.

Neither one of them could buy a clue to save their lives.

end of story
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on April 24, 2005, 08:04:00 PM
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On 2005-04-24 12:42:00, Iron Man wrote:

"McDonalds does diplomacy with Island girls through all kinds of visas. You know what they do? Seduce Americans into marrying and then they have to deal with dictators. I know because I was under a sitter in MPH who told me all about it. Do you want to have a little bite of the Mango? I don't think you do. :smokin: The Lord knows what they do on these islands and he hates it according to my bible.





And then...commentary from the planet mars....


Bunch of fucking loonies, all three of you.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Carmel on April 24, 2005, 08:05:00 PM
This whole thread just begs the question...Is this Anon powerless to stop supporting the program?  

Like, its a love/hate attitude...they hate what happened to them in the program, but just cant seem to stop trying to sabotage or put down anyone attempting to expose it?

Can't......talk...behind......b-b-backs.......must.........must.......motivate.......ARRRRRGHHHH!

I think its real simple, you may not like Wes's site, but that doesnt make the information it contains non-factual.  I would rather read "A Clockwork Straight" and put up with a little shitty tune than say, watch an episode of The Simple Life or The Anna Nicole Show.

So he threw in a little Penis Birding for color.  Big damn deal, Ginger is right.....Jerry Springer gets more "hits" because of its bullshit content.  If you want the world to watch, take off your shirt.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Antigen on April 24, 2005, 08:24:00 PM
OP?

screening pre-school kids for anti-social behavior is about as useful as screening the Christian Coalition for sanctimonious behavior.

Sanho Tree

Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on April 24, 2005, 09:27:00 PM
I am the "OP".
I have remained anonymous and you have not figured out my real identity.
I dont "complain" here.I dont "debate" here.
I make an observation about Wes Fager's website and I put my opinion,and FKA seems to be on to what my opinion is.
FKA is correct and understands my intent.
Antigen the troll spammer would do the world a favour by commiting suicide.In the bathtub would be a good place to do it so nobody has to clean your piss and shit up off of the floor.
Antigen,though sometimes writes things here that show "she" has a limited education and understands english,only trolls and spams anybody and everybody just to show "her" ass.
You have not revealed my true identity and you never will.
The only clue I will give you about who I may be is that I was there a very very long time ago in a Straight-like offshoot program.
I personaly know Miss Pete and Dr. Robert Nay.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on April 24, 2005, 10:46:00 PM
whoptie fucking duptie, animals.

You aren't fooling anybody but your own deluded self.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Tony Stark on April 24, 2005, 11:09:00 PM
The beast is Human. His name is Mark. and there are 666 of him that is not. Human is just a mere invention of secularism.Best to hold fast to whatever you've got left. Soon you just will have to answer to the be-header. :smokin:

He, who has nothing, and who himself belongs to another, must be defended by him, whose property he is, and needs no arms. But he, who thinks he is his own master, and has what he can call his own, ought to have arms to defend himself, and what he possesses; else he lives precariously, and at discretion.
James Burgh 1774

Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Antigen on April 24, 2005, 11:17:00 PM
Mark who?

Fear is the parent of cruelty, therefore it is no wonder if religion and cruelty have gone hand-in-hand.
--Bertrand Russell, British philosopher, educator, mathemetician, and social critic

Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Antigen on April 24, 2005, 11:20:00 PM
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On 2005-04-24 18:27:00, Anonymous wrote:

I make an observation about Wes Fager's website and I put my opinion,and FKA seems to be on to what my opinion is.


Yeah, me too. And I still think the content on Wes' site is just over your head. Simple as hell to only think about vindication against a couple of useful idiots. Little more complicated to look at the whole picture and think about what to do about it in practical terms. But different strokes, eh? Now run along and burn some black candles and contemplate my horrific demise some more.

Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet.
--Napoleon Bonaparte, French emperor

Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on April 24, 2005, 11:30:00 PM
I dont expect you to agree with me,but you are not correct about my identity.
Why you are hung up about that I dont know.
Fager Website "over my head"?
I have stated clearly my opinion about the Fager website,and FKA has accurately explained my meaning.
Antigen,you are a troll spammer.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Tony Stark on April 25, 2005, 01:22:00 AM
Some Italian guy from Hell's Kitchen NYC from a cult called"the funky bean-weaners" He'll rule from the city of seven hills.You know...Rome, Italy. It's really gonna be tough. By the way I'll try to get a website of some great beef I bought today from a salesman. Rib-eyes, real hamburgers. All outa Chicago No Canadian shit.By the way Mark is the beast. I've met him. He had a corperation in underground Atlanta, but then He escaped to London. I don't know where he is now. He thought I was the son of man. I guess The Lord fooled him.I'm just a Lord. Not Lord of Lords. He's got me pegged wrong.The TV evangelist is full of crap.TV crime.I'm not Lord of this world though.

If you believe that people cannot be trusted to govern themselves,
then can they be trusted to govern others?
 
--Thomas Jefferson

Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on April 25, 2005, 01:29:00 AM
Iron Man:
Sincere.

Antigen:
Just wants to show "her" ass and is a chronic troll spammer of this board.

I myself am and shall remain anonymous.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on April 25, 2005, 01:45:00 AM
Iron man and Animals...two idiots that can't tell reality from fiction.

Iron man, is animals your long lost brother?

Animals, are you so stupid that people can't see thru your 8th grade writing style?

Grow a sack, both of you, get back on your meds, and find another hobby other than disrupting this website.

Oh yeah, Pietra, grow up.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on April 25, 2005, 02:08:00 AM
I will admit that I only have an 8th grade education,but I am not this "Animals" person.

There is no shame in having an 8th grade education or a mental disorder.

Why have you not attacked FKA for supporting my opinions about the Wes Fager 95% garbage website?


Antigen is a troll spammer plain and simple.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on April 25, 2005, 03:03:00 AM
http://www.thestraights.com (http://www.thestraights.com)
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on April 25, 2005, 03:13:00 AM
Example:

Wes Fager logs on to an Italian message board and copie/paste stuff about Sembler there,then he goes to his website ,www.thestraights,and creates a link to the Italian message board with a self written headline as if this is some kind of legitimate news story.
Wes does this over and over again until his Website,www.thestraights,becomes a confusing mish mash of redundant information.

Also there are real links to real websites,but they are not related to Straight-like abusive programs,rather,they are juvenile anti-republican (I hate Bush too!) cartoon websites.

Wes Fager's website,www.thestraights.com,is not a reliable website to inform and educate others about the abuse we suffered in the Straight-like programs.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: ` on April 25, 2005, 05:06:00 AM
the "crazy" ones here are my favorites anyway.

p.s. Carmel is right. whenever i have something very important to say, i take my shirt off.  :lol:
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Tony Stark on April 25, 2005, 06:47:00 AM
A very criminally insane minded person you don't want to know. As for Ginger. I can tell you I contacted Wes is Sinapore and told him to leave you alone and go into a hospital.He's sedateed and very much under extreme psychic battery and is suicidal.And I breezed through high school with a sixth grade education. I even went to community college at St. Pete JC clearwater campus a long-time ago and majored in music. I had tutors and the teachers in the classroom realized they couldn't teach me anything that they could. I just met them before class and submitted my music theory formulas which were correct. So they never bothered me. The students were the problem.English. Ha! I speak American. I don't have to speak Queen's English to get by in America.You can slander me all you like. I think the ones that do are just fools.

In order to live free and happily you must sacrifice boredom. It is not always an easy sacrifice.
-- Richard Bach

Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on April 25, 2005, 08:43:00 AM
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On 2005-04-25 02:06:00, fka wrote:

"the "crazy" ones here are my favorites anyway.



p.s. Carmel is right. whenever i have something very important to say, i take my shirt off.  :lol: "


Go ahead, take it off!  You've got my attention.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on April 25, 2005, 08:43:00 AM
I am not interested in debate.
I understand that this is an open discussion board,but just because someone posts something here it does not necessarily mean that they are seeking a debate.Its just like a public toilette wall.You can write your comments for others to see.Maybe you can say I am "complaining" about the Wes Fager website.The most I could hope for is that Wes himself would read my comments here.
I agree with some of the comparisons Wes provides about Chinese/Korean brainwashing techniques and the straight like programs(there is more accurate information available about this at http://www.rickross.com (http://www.rickross.com)).In fact,I am posting this whilst I am in Korea.I have just come from China after a three month stay.I have spent three months per year in China for the past five years so I know a bit about what this sort of mind control can do to people,however,I do not agree with Wes' constant China bashing and I have requested many times by emails to him to remove the Chinese flag that he has plastered on the historical photo of a Straight group in session,mostly because it defaces the historical value of the photo,but also because his hatred for the Chinese government of today gets in the way of the historical facts about the brainwashing techniques used by them in the past.
I am more of an occasional troll of this board than any kind of regular user."Antigen" on the other hand is an obsessed person who is a chronic "spammer" and walkes over any comment just to feel important.The same kind of person who took great pleasure abusing you on your lower phases while "she" was on a higher phase.A real scumbag who would do us all well by toping "herself",hopefully in the bathtub so to avoid spilling "her" bodily fluids on the floor for someone else to have to clean up.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Froderik on April 25, 2005, 08:48:00 AM
First impression: The site has gone downhill in the past few years (I hadn't looked at it for a while) What do I mean by that? It's a mess. Not what you'd call a 'user-friendly' site. Would make me somewhat disinclined to look anything up on it if I had a desire to do so at the moment.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on April 25, 2005, 09:07:00 AM
The Fager website has always been crap,but it seem that he as some new slick softwears to make it better,but this has enabled him to load more and more redundant garbage in.Wes is a piyyiful old man with a guilty concience because of all the children he voluntarily and abused,tortured and enslaved locked in his house while he was an "oldcommer parent".
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on April 25, 2005, 09:43:00 AM
http://www.thestraights.com (http://www.thestraights.com)
Take a long hard look at this website.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on April 25, 2005, 09:44:00 AM
See what I mean?It get dumber by the day.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on April 25, 2005, 10:46:00 AM
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On 2005-04-25 06:44:00, Anonymous wrote:

"See what I mean?It get dumber by the day."


Indeed, Anon...it do.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Carmel on April 25, 2005, 10:47:00 AM
That was me.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on April 25, 2005, 11:07:00 AM
maybe wes should start a new site that just has the clockwork straight stuff on it?  That is directly related to the "cause"
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: RTP2003 on April 25, 2005, 03:30:00 PM
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On 2005-04-24 20:09:00, Iron Man wrote:

"The beast is Human. His name is Mark.


You got that one, right, kookburger......
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Tony Stark on April 25, 2005, 06:25:00 PM
http://www.directusaonline.com (http://www.directusaonline.com)       Toll free:(877)280-1888 Corperate Headquarters. There's your real safe beef. Whatever you want. Enjoy friends and foes. :smokin:

I turned to speak to God, About the world's despair; But to make bad matters worse, I found God wasn't there.
--Robert Frost, American poet



_Gee, that's a damned shame about Robert Frost ya know? Why did the Children put beans in their ears? Me? In my time of trouble I cried out to Jesus Christ and God came in me and carry's me always.You see God is a Spirit.You don't know me and you never will.I'm free.________________
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Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on April 26, 2005, 03:29:00 AM
Thats what I've been asking Fager for years,WHERES THE BEEF?
The Fager website is all inert filler and very little meat.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: ` on April 26, 2005, 03:56:00 AM
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On 2005-04-24 10:07:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Man, if only I could smack the shit out of someone over a computer.  When will THAT pc modification be available?  



What is your "cause" Piet?  What are YOU doing for me and for KIDS still being abused today, you warrior of wonder you?  Researching litigious documents in a library and posting them here between learning to roll joints, kissing the donkey you live next door to, and visiting shrinks that see through your attention craving bullshit?  You say you have been "referring" people to ISACCORP.ORG?  Are you in the assesment/referral industry? Or when you "refer" do you mean that you are telling your shrinks to go check out some website to try to gain insight into your warped busybody Beck loving STRAIGHT raped mind?



Social interaction in a web based forum with people that share a one time similiar experience in a drug rehab does not substantiate a "cause" nor a movement to do anything else aside from post to each other about the value of TBPITW.  Saying that you have a "cause" infers your personal activism against abusive rehabilitation facilities.  Your activism is seemingly limited to part time trips to the library and researching something that is of interest to you.  Ah, what a trooper for "the cause" you are my friend.  Thanks for you hard work and dollars spent for "the cause".  Though you are getting there, 'lil grasshopper, you have not yet done enough to be critical of others that have been a bug in STRAIGHTS ass for years and has spent much effort, time, and money doing so.  Saying that Wes's site is "disgusting" and "discredits our cause" is the dumbest thing you have said since proclaiming that everyone here on fornits are total assholes.  Remember that post?  I do. "


my mom told me about boys who like to pull my pigtails. you love me. admit it. well i love you. i think you are so cute. and so right! sorry, it's true, i can be very opinionated and annoying. not to mention a know-it-all! sorry you have to put up with me.   ::kiss::
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Tony Stark on April 26, 2005, 08:19:00 AM
Gee, I didn't know we were talking about baby goats(kids) ,and lady lighten up you know this Fager guy is just in freemasonry.........which is a more abusive and secretive cult than your program. Or are you just afraid of seeing his eyes gouged out or his tongue cut off? He put his daughter in Straight Inc., Knowing damn well it was synanon. I read it online. Talk about a mindfucker? He fucked his whole life up too. Now He want's Ginger to commit suicide? I think that's very cultish. Your education doesn't really make the things in  life so easy to understand. That's not accomplishing anything. I'd trash your education and use more easier words to make it easy on all of us. Or you just hide behind all those big words and think your supierier? Shit I can't even spell. I bet you can spell though can't ya? Spell and curse. What about the children. Not kids. Or are you a Nanny goat?

Come to the woods, for here is rest. There is no repose like that of the green deep woods. Here grow the wallflower and the violet. The squirrel will come and sit upon your knee, the logcock will wake you in the morning. Sleep in forgetfulness of all ill. Of all the upness accessible to mortals, there is no upness comparable to the mountains.
-- John Muir



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Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on April 26, 2005, 08:30:00 AM
Iron Man check your pm's buddy.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on April 26, 2005, 09:31:00 AM
awwww, its so sweet to watch the mentally deranged make friends!!!!!
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Ruth Ann Newton on April 26, 2005, 11:53:00 AM
Animals, we have a special blue chair reserved for you at SIBS.  I think some special "one on one" time is needed for you.  The good Doctors will be happy to assist.  We've already had the hackers hard at work tracking your sorry ass down.  We know where you are and we're coming to get you!!!!
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Dr. Miller Newton on April 26, 2005, 12:17:00 PM
Yes, Ruthie- he is a 'special' case indeed..
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on April 26, 2005, 12:40:00 PM
You mess with Animals and I and other operatives will show up and do whatever the fuck we need to to liberate him. Don't think I am kidding. A good friend of mine is well-trained and experienced in such operations.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Dr Fucktard on April 26, 2005, 12:57:00 PM
Since this fellow likes to indentify himself with the animal kingdom, I think that a night of therapy in the cage with the horny male gorilla would be MOST appropriate and would do "Animals" a world of good. It would help to humble him a little bit. He desperately needs this. :rofl:
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Ruth Ann Newton on April 26, 2005, 01:01:00 PM
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On 2005-04-26 09:40:00, Anonymous wrote:

"You mess with Animals and I and other operatives will show up and do whatever the fuck we need to to liberate him. Don't think I am kidding. A good friend of mine is well-trained and experienced in such operations."


Oh contrare, my friend.  You have no idea the kinds of people secretly employed by SIBS.  Bring it on sweetheart, we've run up against bigger and badder than you before and shot them down with the rest of the druggies.  Anyone who attempts to "liberate" a patient from SIBS will be met with the wrath of SIBS Secret Service.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Dr Fucktard on April 26, 2005, 01:05:00 PM
Not to mention that our trained monkeys are getting to know how to shoot those assault rifles pretty well now...ever been in combat against 50 monkeys armed with AK-47s? I didn't think so!
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Animals on April 26, 2005, 05:55:00 PM
I notice I am being mentioned here, thank you. The trollking lives on, but this forum post was not started by m3 - otherwise Ginger would have belittled me or better GregFL - they alone know the IPs I use. But now at least I can say that prior edited posts have not gone to waste. Kpickle was right, this forum has turned into birdcage lining. FKA I agree with, too, cos Wes and some others like to exxagerate. I've said this all along. I was telling someone the other day just about this. Plus, alot of the former staff members like Ray and kayohueso and others come here ...Straight suddenly closes down and then we should just blindly trust that they suddenly somehow wake up to some Sudden truth that their rights were suddenly taken away. Think about that for a second! Staff members who were on staff ALL at the same time in the same decade are ALL suddenly going to realize Together that their rights were taken away. I've never bought into it, because too much of the actions on their behalfs just don't jive with what's going on. I hopped off long before the lies about MCG and some other very obvious shit. I put my faith in trolling now, because it looks soooo much better in this particular forum I come to, better than some of the other reports and stuff here. and flooding is prettier, too. Stand by for a flood here.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Animals on April 26, 2005, 06:22:00 PM
fucking a beayoooteefull, t.k....keep it up.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on April 27, 2005, 10:20:00 AM
::bigmouth::  ::bigmouth::  ::bigmouth::  ::bigmouth::  ::bump::
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on April 27, 2005, 10:26:00 AM
::cheers::
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Cayo Hueso on April 27, 2005, 12:39:00 PM
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On 2005-04-26 14:55:00, Animals wrote:

 Plus, alot of the former staff members like Ray and kayohueso and others come here ...


Get your facts straight.  I was never on staff.

The lust for power, for dominating others, inflames the heart more than any other passion
Tacitus

Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Tony Stark on April 27, 2005, 01:11:00 PM
I just got the word this morning. Yeah, I bet these people will lose their rights. I lost my rights for leaving the LIFE program.Now how you gonna bitch and complain. :smokin:

Drug War tells us everyone's body is common property
to be managed by the central government for our own
good, even if it kills us.  This is Communism!
Drug Policy Foundation of Texas

--Bob Ramsey

Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on April 27, 2005, 03:22:00 PM
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On 2005-04-27 10:11:00, Iron Man wrote:

"I just got the word this morning. Yeah, I bet these people will lose their rights. I lost my rights for leaving the LIFE program.Now how you gonna bitch and complain.


What word?  
Which people?
Yes, we all did.
The same way I've always bitched and complained, loudly and often.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on October 04, 2005, 03:58:00 AM
::flipflop::  ::flipflop::  ::flipflop::  ::flipflop::  ::flipflop::  ::flipflop::  ::flipflop::  ::flipflop::  ::flipflop::  ::spam::
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: ex-prisoner on October 06, 2005, 11:36:00 PM
The thing is, we get it. Other people don't. The obsession with the penis pump is, uhm, er, I don't know what word to use. Why mention about the judge who used one in a court room? Now that is completely irrelevant, except that we think people in high power should really be exposed for the supremely hilariously lambastably idiotic fools they really and factually and also in satire indeed, are. Yet they are also terrorists of freedom, they like putting people in cages, they represent - this here is no small point - our intense disillusionment and loss of hope in this fucking community we live in! Therefore the information ought to be displayed with dignity.

In addition, although the format has been altered nicely resulting in less flash and notice to the penis pump excesses of the past, it's still disrespectful to have that stuff on the same page that has the link to the list of people who were in Straight and killed themselves. It bugs me. It doesn't seem right.

I believe I have paid respect to several concurrent p.o.v.'s here. Thus having stated fairly and forthrightly the sentiment of this household, I cede the floor to further discussion.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on October 06, 2005, 11:57:00 PM
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In addition, although the format has been altered nicely resulting in less flash and notice to the penis pump excesses of the past, it's still disrespectful to have that stuff on the same page that has the link to the list of people who were in Straight and killed themselves. It bugs me. It doesn't seem right.

I haven't bothered looking at that site for a while now. You are right about this, I mean, it kinda bugs me too. Too much like a tabloid.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: GregFL on October 07, 2005, 01:55:00 AM
This thread is fucking hilarious!

Deranged people, spammers, morons, funny people, jokers,idiots, Trolls,brilliant retorts.

  Its in there baby!

To really appreciate the subtles, insanity, and sheer delight of this nuthouse of a thread, one should read it from page one straight thru to the end.



Welcome to fornits!


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 06:30:00 AM
But its all true.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: webcrawler on October 07, 2005, 10:13:00 AM
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On 2005-10-06 22:55:00, GregFL wrote:

"This thread is fucking hilarious!



Deranged people, spammers, morons, funny people, jokers,idiots, Trolls,brilliant retorts.



  Its in there baby!



To really appreciate the subtles, insanity, and sheer delight of this nuthouse of a thread, one should read it from page one straight thru to the end.







Welcome to fornits!





 :wave:
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 12:09:00 PM
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On 2005-04-22 21:11:00, Tony Stark wrote:

"You all won't have a bible to read. IF this Republic is to be fully established."


I am interested in this belief of yours. The evidence at hand which I myself have observed - and I will say here that I have been a casual observer -  points to a fundamentalist-backed fascism. I will wager some could put this better than me. I would like to know what evidence you are relying on to make the statement above.

By the way, that was an interesting Gloria Steinem quote that got randomly put at the foot of your post, Mr. Stark. I see random irony, and am convinced in my drug-induced state that the pyschotics just might have some access to knowledge to which the rest of us do not, in general, have access. Ginger has her own theories on these "randomly" generated quotes, theories which do not mesh easily with some of her other implied beliefs on philosophical and existential matters. Ah well, consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. And if that isn't the correct quote, well turn out the goats and bribe the fiddlers, 'cause I think what's called for here is a hoe-down. That was just my way of saying how much I would like to express how much fun this is. The problem with hoe-downs is some people is a bit more Hans Christian Anderson-ly or even Edward Gorey-ish than one was ever prepared to deal with! Speaking of the failures of our education system, and if anyone doesn't get that the Pandemic of Boredom in educational institutions is Identifying Symptom #1 of these failures - please consider that these failures might be intrinsic to "institutionalization" itself - does anyone know who got it right, I mean, anyone who more properly prepares their children? I am open for any suggestions here, any clues or tangents are welcomed.
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 09:39:00 PM
Uh.......huh...... :???:
Title: Wes Fager discredits our cause
Post by: Antigen on October 07, 2005, 09:49:00 PM
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On 2005-10-07 09:09:00, Anonymous wrote:

Boredom in educational institutions is Identifying Symptom #1 of these failures - please consider that these failures might be intrinsic to "institutionalization" itself - does anyone know who got it right, I mean, anyone who more properly prepares their children? I am open for any suggestions here, any clues or tangents are welcomed.


Damned near everybody got it right prior to the implimentation of forced government schooling.

Schooling != education.
return undef() if /coercion/i

The memory of my own suffering has prevented me from ever shadowing one young soul with the superstitions of the Christian religion.
--Elizabeth Cady-Stanton