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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => EdCons and referring organizations and agencies => PURE Bullshit and CAICA => Topic started by: Anonymous on October 27, 2006, 10:11:27 PM

Title: Sue Scheff Sue Scheff Scheff Sue Scheff Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on October 27, 2006, 10:11:27 PM
The programs Sue Scheff referred to ARE abusive. There is a mother who posts here regularly about her daughter who was abused in a program after being referred by Sue Scheff. You hate WWASPS so much, you are willing to align yourself with anyone who flys the anti-wwasp flag, no matter what their true intentions are. It's selfish to think that kids only get abused in WWASPS programs and then align yourself with a profiteer of troubled families, who refer to other programs which are known to be abusive! If you really want to know the truth read the WWASPS vs. PURE transcript in detail and see what kind of child advocate she really is. I was abused in a WWASPS facility and I am horrified at how she is using program victims horror stories to make money! Not to mention that she was the biggest referer to WWASPS and continued to refer after she took her daughter out! Wake up!

It seems the anti-wwasps advocates who support Sue Scheff and PURE have nothing to say about the revelation in those transcripts that Sue Scheff continued to refer to WWASPS after Sue Scheff took her OWN daughter ASHLYN SCHEFF out claiming Ashlyn Scheff had been abused, or if they have, I haven't seen the posts. I am curious though how they and Sue Scheff defend such actions? It just doesn't make sense, IMO. Anybody have a link to posts from these supporters? I'd like to know what their opinion is.
Thank you.
 
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Title: Anyone else agree?
Post by: Anonymous on October 27, 2006, 10:27:56 PM
BORING .... ::argue::  :roll:  ::boohoo::  ::bangin::  ::bigmouth::  :silly:
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Post by: Anonymous on October 27, 2006, 10:34:45 PM
What's boring about asking for the truth?

Now what IS BORING is Izzy promoting her friend Sue Scheff as some "Advocate of the month."  Now that's boring.
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Post by: BuzzKill on October 28, 2006, 12:34:55 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
What's boring about asking for the truth?

Now what IS BORING is Izzy promoting her friend Sue Scheff as some "Advocate of the month."  Now that's boring.


Actually, I thought that was good for a snort and a snicker. What a piece of work  :roll:

WWASP kid - I used to be among those who defended Susan. I can assure you, that many who once did, now don't.  There was a lot of shocked chatter when those transcripts began making the rounds; and this was also when the allegations concerning the abusive treatment at Whitmore came to light.  Luke 8 vs 17

Romans 2 vs 16
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Post by: Anonymous on October 28, 2006, 01:33:10 AM
Was looking at the WWASP thread: Several threads have been re-posted that help clarify some of the "Scheff/Bock history"  

 Several "SCHEFF supporters" posted at one time using their own names--but that doesn't seem to be the case any longer.  Wonder why?

You have it correct, WWASP poster: Scheff did refer to WWASP programs after claiming Ashley was abused at that WWASP facility. You'd have to ask her how any "Mom" could do that for money?

And Scheff did continue to refer children to Whitmore during the criminal investigation and after the owner, Cheryl Sudweeks was charged with criminal child abuse. Again, you'd have to ask her why she'd do that for money?

And yet Scheff sues another "MOM" for name-calling on the internet? Something seems way off there, in my opinion. Carey Bock didn't put any children in danger for money, did she?
Title: Sue Scheff and Falcon Ridge Ranch Sue Scheff Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on October 28, 2006, 08:40:34 AM
Sue Scheff  Sue Scheff  Sue Scheff  Sue Scheff  Sue Scheff
(QUOTE)
Marie Peart was the admission person for a program in Utah called Falcon Ridge Ranch. PURE referred to this program (and possibly still does. However, this program has since been sold to another progam in Utah). It was discovered, when Van, the owner called his own 800 #, that Marie was answering the phone as PURE, NOT Falcon Ridge.
Marie Peart was funneling ALL calls to Falcon Ridge through PURE to suck extra money off of Falcon Ridge. The $2,000 referral fee would then be split between Sue and Marie. And Falcon Ridge was none the wiser UNTIL he called his own #.
As far as I can tell, PURE is corrupt inside and out!!!(QUOTE)
Title: Marie Peart
Post by: Anonymous on October 28, 2006, 09:40:24 AM
ARe you saying maybe Lichfield was in the right when he had Marie prosecuted her for fraud or theft or embezzlement?
Title: Sue Scheff Why Not prosecuted ? Re: Marie Peart
Post by: Anonymous on October 28, 2006, 09:41:59 AM
Quote from: ""Lichfield and Scheff""
ARe you saying maybe Lichfield was in the right when he had Marie prosecuted her for fraud or theft or embezzlement?


Does anyone know why Sue Scheff was not chared with theft by Lichfield, if this is true about Marie Peart?

Isn't Marie a relative of Lichfield?  Can anyone clarify?
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Post by: Anonymous on October 28, 2006, 10:29:15 AM
///Carey Bock didn't put any children in danger for money, did she?///

I believe she did; although not in as direct a manner. She devastated the program parent outreach efforts, that would on occasion open a programmed parents eyes, and get them off the Kool-aid.  She knew what she was doing would have this effect. She didn't care. In fact, I feel she was actively working with WWASP at one time. She got to the point where she often said her problem wasn't with WWASP, it was with Dundee (Like there is a difference) which is why, I theorize, they were at first paying for her lawyers.

Still, this judgment is outrageous and needs to be appealed. She was an aggravation. She was spitefully, mindlessly vengeful;. But no way did she cause more damage to Susan than has been done to thousands of victims, of other civil actions, that only received a few tens of  thousands of dollars. 20, 30, 40 - maybe 100 in some cases. Phil did get Lulu Millions - but look what she had endured!

The families of victims who have been killed by gross negligence have not received anything like this amount.  This judgment is an outrage.  I despise Carey - but I hope she can find a way to appeal this.
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Post by: Anonymous on October 28, 2006, 03:11:06 PM
sous chef
Title: WWASP versus SUE SCHEFF Court Tranqcript
Post by: Anonymous on October 28, 2006, 03:15:41 PM
"If you read the WWASP vs PURE transcript: Sue Scheff testifies about Katie Lank's death at Red Rock, and defends this abusive facility with words to the affect: "Katie didn't die at Red Rock Academy, this girl died AT THE HOSPITAL."
As if it makes any difference exactly where this poor girl drew her last breath of life.

This remark by Scheff makes about as much sense as her testimony about the rape at Sorenson Ranch, when Scheff tries to explain away the rape of a young teenage girl with the words, "....everyone makes mistakes."

Since when is it a "MISTAKE" to rape a child?"
Title: Carey: APPEAL THE SUE SCHEFF JUDGMENT AND GET JUSTICE!
Post by: Anonymous on October 28, 2006, 03:18:12 PM
"The families of victims who have been killed by gross negligence have not received anything like this amount. This judgment is an outrage. I despise Carey - but I hope she can find a way to appeal this."
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Post by: Anonymous on October 28, 2006, 10:52:22 PM
I don't believe anyone can say that Carey Bock ever referred any child to any program for any amount of money.
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Post by: Anonymous on October 28, 2006, 10:57:57 PM
Anyone find this a bit strange?

The parents who were referred to these "kinder, gentler, safer, wonderful programs" (YEA, RIGHT!!!!) by Ms. Scheff always refer to this woman as "SUE SCHEFF."

The posters who are, or were, her close friends: always refer to her as "SUSAN."

Wonder why the "cozy, little nick-name" with these parents?
Perhaps as sign of things to come?  SUE SUE SUE SUE....in court?
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Post by: Anonymous on October 28, 2006, 11:00:42 PM
And what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? There are plenty of people angry with the woman, it appear she angered many people in the past and that she is not well liked. Maybe you should go back and read through some old posts, though what's the point? And who knows, when she was a WWASPIE parent and her twins were in the program she might have sold a kid or two or more to WWASPS - none of you will know that for sure unless WWASPS is willing to give up their records to see if she ever got free tuition for referring kids there. That's how it works, you know. Refer a kid to the program and you get a month for free.
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Post by: Anonymous on October 28, 2006, 11:01:50 PM
The last post was referring to Carey Bock.
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Post by: Anonymous on October 28, 2006, 11:07:48 PM
Carey Bock DID NOT enroll her sons in the WWASP program. Her ex-husband did.  But she never referred any child to any program for any amount of money.
She seems to have grandly pissed off a lot of people; but not for selling any kids into WWASP or any other program.
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Post by: Anonymous on October 29, 2006, 03:22:34 AM
Romans 2 v 6 : Before the eternal throne of righteousness nothing is forgotten - nothing escapes God's notice - the facts are manifested.
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Post by: Anonymous on October 29, 2006, 08:38:41 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Romans 2 v 6 : Before the eternal throne of righteousness nothing is forgotten - nothing escapes God's notice - the facts are manifested.


Whoever wrote the above is referring to Sue Scheff whether you know it or not.  Sue Scheff will be held accountable for every lie she has told and every scam she has pulled on parents and kids.

Sue Scheff---nothing is forgotten and every evil thing Sue scheff had done will not be forgotten.
Title: Sue Scheff Sue Scheff Sue Scheff Sue Scheff Wikipedia
Post by: Anonymous on October 29, 2006, 08:55:05 AM
Maybe Sue Scheff and P.U.R.E. need to be in Wikipedia?  The legend of the evil surrounding these is building and building.
Title: Sue Scheff Legend of Evil or Good?
Post by: Anonymous on October 29, 2006, 02:12:20 PM
Why dont you, Izzy and your Texan buds want people to know the other side of what you did to this poor woman and other people like her, such as Joyce Harris? Why dont ya sue Phil for his staement below? Because its true? Because Phil would make sure the public heard the other side of the story?  Maybe something Sue Scheff wants to hide?  Maybe?

?Warbis? lawyer, Philip Elberg, of Medvin & Elberg of Newark, New Jersey, sharply criticized Scheff and other people who refer parents to programs for troubled teens. ?People in this industry have consistently used their money and their access to lawyers to silence critics of the industry and this may be one of those examples,? Elberg said. ?Sue Scheff is simply another person in the industry of people who make money from the plight of frightened parents.??
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Post by: Anonymous on October 29, 2006, 04:33:55 PM
Truth is a positive (affirmative) defense.
Title: "SUE SCHEFF IS A CROOK A CON ARTIST AND A FRAUD-UGLY TO
Post by: Anonymous on October 29, 2006, 10:18:40 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Truth is a positive (affirmative) defense.


LOOKS LIKE THE "FLYING HEDGEHOG" GOT IT RIGHT ABOUT SUE-SUE
www.flyinghedgehog.com (http://www.flyinghedgehog.com)
So Sue-Sue what will you do?  anther lawsuit? but this guy looks like he can take you right on and there are witnesses who will help him.

Thursday, October 12, 2006
i think sue scheff is a "crook," a "con artist" and a "fraud."
she's probably also ugly.

and unlike the poor woman she just won 11.3 million dollars from, a katrina survivor who couldn't afford to hire a lawyer or show up to trial, i have the resources to defend my first amendment rights in court.

so there.
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Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2006, 01:34:00 AM
(http://http://www.hedgehog.org/hog.gif)

FYI - I can't find the flying hedgehog blog.  Can someone fix the link?
Title: Here's the Flying HedgeHog Blog on Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2006, 08:13:33 PM
Thursday, October 12, 2006
i think sue scheff is a "crook," a "con artist" and a "fraud."
she's probably also ugly.

and unlike the poor woman she just won 11.3 million dollars from, a katrina survivor who couldn't afford to hire a lawyer or show up to trial, i have the resources to defend my first amendment rights in court.

so there.
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Title: Blogs on Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2006, 08:15:57 PM
If you are looking for more blog sites on Sue Scheff do a Google search on her name and you will find them for 2 or 3 or 4 pages.  Sue Scheff is more hated than Robert Lichfield because at least Lichfield does not pretend to be a fak-o goodie 2 shoes.
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Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2006, 08:49:28 PM
It does seem like Litchfield just sits back.  donates to the politicians, runs his awful business, doesn't do a bunch of self-promoting, and knows when to shut the fuck up!
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Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2006, 10:40:10 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
It does seem like Litchfield just sits back.  donates to the politicians, runs his awful business, doesn't do a bunch of self-promoting, and knows when to shut the fuck up!


Right.  Sue Scheff is jealous of Lichfield.  But Sue is a narcissist.  Lichfield just wants money and power.  Sue is too dumb to figure out the big business aspects of conning like Lichfield.
Title: Re: Sue Scheff and Falcon Ridge Ranch Sue Scheff Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on November 08, 2006, 09:00:29 PM
Quote from: ""Sue Scheff Falcon Ridge""
Sue Scheff  Sue Scheff  Sue Scheff  Sue Scheff  Sue Scheff
(QUOTE)
Marie Peart was the admission person for a program in Utah called Falcon Ridge Ranch. PURE referred to this program (and possibly still does. However, this program has since been sold to another progam in Utah). It was discovered, when Van, the owner called his own 800 #, that Marie was answering the phone as PURE, NOT Falcon Ridge.
Marie Peart was funneling ALL calls to Falcon Ridge through PURE to suck extra money off of Falcon Ridge. The $2,000 referral fee would then be split between Sue and Marie. And Falcon Ridge was none the wiser UNTIL he called his own #.
As far as I can tell, PURE is corrupt inside and out!!!(QUOTE)


Does Marie Peart still work for PURE?  Apparently she has a website of her own called Parent and Teen Resources which like PURE, does not identify the names of the programs she works with.

Anybody know who the new owners of Falcon Ridge are?
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Post by: Anonymous on November 09, 2006, 02:04:59 PM
Falcon Ridge Ranch is owned by Frank and Melanie Habibian.
They also have ownership in Red Rock Canyon

Goggle their names and read:

Conditinal Use Permit was issued for this facility on July 8, 1999 and it was stated that "tenant will be Red Rock."
The four Season Motel was to be converted into a youth treatment center.

The "accredition by The Utah Office of Education" can be read.
This document shows the Director of Education as Joetta Hayden.
The Program Director is listed as: Melanie Habibian

It also lists the Educational Personnel and the School Profile.

Business Licenses issued to the Habibian are shown from this gogggle search, too.

It has been reported that the Habibians are immigrants from Iran with close ties to the former Shah of Iran.
Title: Red Rock versus Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on November 09, 2006, 08:02:35 PM
Sue Scheff was sued by a parent who said Sue Scheff committed fraud in referring her to Red Rock in Utah.
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Post by: Anonymous on November 09, 2006, 09:49:12 PM
Anon - when was Sue Scheff sued?  Is the case still active?
Title: Mother Sue Scheff Referred to Red Rock versus Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on November 10, 2006, 07:57:05 AM
Sue Scheff was sued when her other case of WWASP versus Sue Scheff was pending and it lasted longer than the WWASP case.  The case was in state court in southern Utah.  the story was she claimed she won but no one has ever seen any order to show this.  it was kept quiet.
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Post by: Anonymous on November 10, 2006, 12:21:53 PM
Is the case posted online?
Title: Re: Mother Sue Scheff Referred to Red Rock versus Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on November 10, 2006, 12:24:22 PM
Quote from: ""Red Rock / Sue Scheff""
Sue Scheff was sued when her other case of WWASP versus Sue Scheff was pending and it lasted longer than the WWASP case.  The case was in state court in southern Utah.  the story was she claimed she won but no one has ever seen any order to show this.  it was kept quiet.


Did this case get settled out of court or did it go to trial?  Was it a civil lawsuit?
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Post by: Anonymous on November 10, 2006, 03:18:27 PM
Sue Scheff "claimed she won this Red Rock lawsuit that was supposedly filed against her?"
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Post by: Anonymous on November 10, 2006, 04:07:31 PM
Wonder if the owners of Red Rock would be forthcoming with any information about any lawsuit against this facility?
Frank and Melanie Habibian.
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Post by: Anonymous on November 10, 2006, 07:18:01 PM
There was a case brought against Red Rock Canyon School in 2001.  Alvin and Cynthia Robertson brought a suit on behalf of their minor son. This suit listed Melanie Habiban as the owner; Sherman Habiban as the Unit Manager; and J Todd Hockabury as the Admissions Director.

www.utd.uscourts.gov/reports/media/img1024.pdf- (http://www.utd.uscourts.gov/reports/media/img1024.pdf-)
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Post by: Anonymous on November 10, 2006, 09:52:04 PM
Why would Sue Scheff be sued?  She doesn't own Red Rock.  I'm confused.  :question:
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Post by: Anonymous on November 10, 2006, 10:11:59 PM
Scheff refers to Red Rock Canyon, right?
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Post by: Anonymous on November 10, 2006, 10:32:10 PM
How does one read the lawsuit?  Is there a direct link?
Title: From the Blog Site "FLYING HEDGEHOGS"
Post by: Anonymous on November 12, 2006, 10:56:37 PM
um, thanks for posting the press release sue's company wrote.

Wed Nov 08, 01:57:16 PM


Anonymous said...
The fake press release above was paid for and written by Sue Scheff's friend, fattie Isabelle Zehnder. The "Sue Scheff" posted it above. The real and true press wrote the following about a famous lawyer who beat the hell out of Sue Scheff and the case she filed against his client was DISMISSED:

"Lawyer, Philip Elberg, of Medvin & Elberg of Newark, New Jersey, sharply criticized Scheff and other people who refer parents to programs for troubled teens. ?People in this industry have consistently used their money and their access to lawyers to silence critics of the industry and this may be one of those examples,? Elberg said. ?Sue Scheff is simply another person in the industry of people who make money from the plight of frightened parents.??

Wed Nov 08, 08:04:57 PM

http://Anonymous said... Let's get one thing clear: Isabelle Zehnder and Sue Scheff are doing the fake "press" postings. Sue Scheff won only by default, meaning Carey Bock did not show up. [u][b]Sue Scheff is like a street prostitute: She's been around the block so many times, nobody wants to hear her sing and dance anymore for fear of catching something. She needs to get a real job. [/b][/u]Thu Nov 09, 08:28:46 PM
Title: Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on November 15, 2006, 07:21:54 PM
::dove::   ::unhappy::
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Post by: Anonymous on November 27, 2006, 03:16:43 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
How does one read the lawsuit?  Is there a direct link?


You can see the filings of the Salt Lake case by opening a FREE account with PACER.  The other cases are not posted there I think because they are not at that court level.  you would have to contact the city court where the case if filed.
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Post by: Anonymous on November 27, 2006, 06:06:06 PM
Do a search for Abe Dalley.  The guy has a long history with the troubled teens industry, including Red Rock Ranch Academy, a wilderness therapy program that was closed in 2002.  Red Rock Ranch Academy is the program where Katie Lank fell and later died from the injuries she sustained.  According to advocate Catherine Sutton, it was Sue Scheff of PURE who referred Katie Lank to Red Rock.  Gayle Palmer DeGraff was the admissions director.  Palmer/DeGraff is the same person who owned the program where Catherine Sutton's daughter, Michelle, died from dehydration in 1990.  

http://www.michellesuttonmemorial.com (http://www.michellesuttonmemorial.com)

From Struggling Teens:

RED ROCK RANCH ACADEMY IS CLOSING
(November 20, 2002) Abe Dalley, owner of Red Rock Ranch Academy, St. George Utah, 888-921-597, announced to Woodbury Reports Inc. that the outdoor program is in the process of closing. It should not be confused with Red Rock Canyon School.

November 21, 2002

Parents Sue Over Girl's Hiking Death Wednesday, May 29, 2002

BY MICHAEL VIGH THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE

Last Christmas Day teen-ager Katherine Lank was hiking in southern Utah with two of her classmates from a school for troubled youths when she slipped and fell down a deep crevice. Lank, 16, suffered massive head trauma and died three weeks later at a Las Vegas hospital. On Tuesday, her parents, Gregory and Moira Lank of South Carolina, filed a $6 million wrongful-death lawsuit in U.S. District Court against the Red Rock Canyon School, based in St. George.

School officials violated several state regulations and failed "to take all reasonable measures to ensure the safety of Red Rock School students," according to allegations in the lawsuit, filed by St. George attorney Bryce Dixon. The suit also says the hike was too difficult for inexperienced hikers and that there were an insufficient number of staff members to supervise it. Because he had not seen the lawsuit, Red Rock executive director Abe Dalley declined to comment.

According to the school's Web site, Red Rock Canyon School is a state-licensed treatment facility for adolescents "with behavioral or emotional problems who require a level of structure and treatment beyond that which is available in traditional outpatient clinics, but who do not require inpatient psychiatric care." The suit says that on Dec. 25, 2001, four staff members took 10 students on a hike through the Naming Caves in rural Washington County. During the hike, Lank and two other students were allowed to hike unsupervised, the suit claims. A short time later, Lank was critically injured. She died on Jan. 13, 2002.

The lawsuit alleges that Dalley waited about an hour before calling an air ambulance. It was another 1 1/2 hours before the chopper arrived from University Medical Center in Las Vegas. School officials should never have "taken a large group of students to a dangerous area" with only one radio and no medical equipment, the suit said. "Management did not have a plan in place to efficiently handle emergencies or accidents," the suit states.

"Because of the defendants' breaches of their duties, Katie Lank suffered extreme physical and mental pain, shock, agony and suffering prior to her death." The suit, which accuses the school of negligence and breach of contract, asks for $5 million in compensatory damages, $1 million in punitive damages and attorney fees. The Lanks have also demanded a jury trial. [email protected]
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Post by: Anonymous on November 27, 2006, 07:26:58 PM
Thanks a lot, you stupid cunt.

Due to your constant spam of She Who Shall Not Be Named's name, it can no longer be found here when you google for it.

Go on, try it.

Congratulations. You've finally destroyed what you were trying to do.

Now shut the fuck up about her and stop spamming the forum.
Title: Question for Milk Gargling Death re Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2006, 07:33:39 PM
Milk:  Who and what are you talking about below?  Except for the subject line above, I do not see any spamming.

Quote from: ""Milk Gargling Death Penal""
Thanks a lot, you stupid cunt.

Due to your constant spam of She Who Shall Not Be Named's name, it can no longer be found here when you google for it.

Go on, try it.

Congratulations. You've finally destroyed what you were trying to do.

Now shut the fuck up about her and stop spamming the forum.
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Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2006, 07:35:22 PM
I mean the repeats of Scheff and not your subject line
Title: To Both of You Milk and Anon
Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2006, 08:03:13 PM
I dont know about the "repeats", but Sue Scheff has written to certain persons about knocking Fornits off line way before the Sue-Scheff-google bombs started and she had done it.  This is illegal and she has her friends do the knocking off for her.  Sue hates Ginger and seeing her name on gingers site.  that is from a reliable source
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Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2006, 11:27:19 PM
It doesn't matter what the hell she tries- this site's not going anywhere.

I'm just asking you to stop spamming her name as a service to the rest of the forum, who has got to be seriously sick by now of having to scroll past topic after topic of mindless crap just to read about WWASPS. We don't censor for content here on Fornits and there is no moderator, but flooding is the same as spambot crap and it'll just be cleaned up eventually.
Title: Somebody vs. Sue Scheff and Red Rock in south Utah
Post by: Anonymous on December 06, 2006, 08:08:09 PM
Does anyone know the name of the lawsuit or where it was filed. The county that is. The case was by a parent or child against Sue Scheff and Red Rock, a school she referred to.  I don't this this was it but don't know for sure.


"Do a search for Abe Dalley. The guy has a long history with the troubled teens industry, including Red Rock Ranch Academy, a wilderness therapy program that was closed in 2002. Red Rock Ranch Academy is the program where Katie Lank fell and later died from the injuries she sustained. According to advocate Catherine Sutton, it was Sue Scheff of PURE who referred Katie Lank to Red Rock. Gayle Palmer DeGraff was the admissions director. Palmer/DeGraff is the same person who owned the program where Catherine Sutton's daughter, Michelle, died from dehydration in 1990."
Title: Incredible
Post by: Anonymous on April 17, 2007, 04:47:01 PM
I think it is incredible that you would post using Susan's name as your own and then spout out anger.
If your mad, your mad. Don't play dirty, even if others do. It makes you look like an ass.

Also, typing in her name 5 times in a row doesn't help the search engine. Also makes you look like an idiot.

If you want to make a difference, lay off the anger and talk facts.
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Post by: Anonymous on April 17, 2007, 05:08:52 PM
And who are YOU to call someone an "ass?"
You sound a bit angry yourself, don't you Lindsi, dear?

Folks can type SCHEFF SCHEFF SCHEFF SCHEFF SCHEFF is they please.
YOU don't have to come here and read it, if that bothers you, now do you?
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Post by: Anonymous on April 17, 2007, 08:32:25 PM
Hey Lindsi,
What are the facts?
Fill us in about the lawsuit of Sue Scheff's that's being talked about; then everyone will know..
Title: Sue Sue Sue
Post by: Anonymous on April 23, 2007, 06:29:53 PM
Yea Lindsey, what is it with you?  Why don't you READ the actual and true web page under the historical documents about your buddy Sue Scheff.  

Scheff knew exactly what she was doing by her own trial testimony.  She had a falling out with WWASP over Scheff wanting to manipulate referral fees to Scheff.

You "friend" Scheff is a FRAUD girlfriend.
Title: Sue Scheff's Own Words
Post by: Anonymous on April 23, 2007, 06:38:50 PM
Does this open your eyes?  The "Randall" Scheff is talking about is our RANDALL HINTON.  This is the REAL CRUELLA DEVILLE EVIL EVIL BITCH WITH A DOVE.

-----Original-----

Lisa Irvin

From: Sue
To: Lisa Irving
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001
Subject: Hi Lisa..

I have been contacted by a parent here in Ft. Lauderdale that says they (several program parents) want me & Ashlyn to attend support meetings here. However, Randall stated to me that Lynn claimed that many parents don't want Ashlyn and myself. At the the time I didn't want the list of parents that don't want me, however, after this parent just called me, they (program parents) are requesting the list and so am I.

Please have Lynn forward the list of parents that are not welcoming me and my daughter to meetings and Discovery Graduations. I don't expect to hear confidential statements here, since they should not be ashamed of their decission. I am also in the process of getting a manual from another support group leader, that she states, we are welcome...

I do know for a fact, Lori and Ashley Neuman attend these meetings, and Ashley, like Ashlyn did NOT graduate.

Thank you Lisa, for your time and support in the above matter. I also want to take this opportunity to thank you for supporting many parents that I have worked with on their referrals. I don't believe I ever sent you the final newsletter about my venture with public service.... It is below for you to read. I believe it says it all, as far as my support for the program, however mostly bringing families back togethers....

Sincerely,
Sue Scheff please read below this was sent to many WWASP parents dated January 2001.

Hello Referral Team....

Long time, I know. Many of you already know that my daughter has come home after 6 months at CSA. Her transformation is nothing short of a miracle. She is doing fantastic! I believe the program has saved her life along with God guiding us. I know many of you are thinking, wow, she didn't graduate, no she didn't. I am a firm believer that God made us all different and that was not a mistake. Many children need the complete program, and I do encourage graduation. However, I recognize that every child was sent with different issues. Some more severe than others.

Ashlyn, my daughter, was not a bad child for years. Quite the contrary. She was on the National Gymnastics Team, has awards and trophies from all over the country, and had always been a parents "dream" child. However, at age 13, during a practice, she broke her foot in 5 places. One of the worse breaks possible. With this, she continued to train for 6 months in the cast! Her self-esteem went so far down, we couldn't see it. Finally, on Mother's Day 1999, she announced to me she was quitting gymnastics! I was devastated, but respected her wishes.

Now at age 14, she wanted to try to "fit in" with the "normal" teens. My first mistake, she convinced me to let her try public school. She had never been. That was the worse 2 months of my life. She became involved with Wicca, (witchcraft), and eventually was withdrawn from my Christian beliefs, didn?t believe in God, and was spiraling downward. I immediately put her back into private school, however she would come home to "hang" with the public school peers.

When I stepped back and analyzed the situation, I discovered I need to make a drastic decision. Ashlyn had lived in a glass house for so many years with her gymnastics, now the house was shattered. With this, I surfed the net for hours/days... looking for help. As you all know, she ended up at CSA. The best decision I have ever made! I believe God had his hand in it all the way.

Ashlyn is successfully coaching gymnastics at a local gym she where her career started. Her Team girls just love her and she loves them back. She has brought her tools from the program to enhance her coaching skills. She is by far, one of the best coaches there. The love and joy thaqt is seen on Ashlyn when she is coaching is a sight I hadn't seen in over a year. God lead Ashlyn exactly where she was needed. Only he added extra steps in between to even make her better. She will be returning to her private school on Jan. 29th for a second semester.

Wow, have I bored you yet??  it is leading to my reason for writing...

Last year at this time I was completely falling apart with a daughter into Wicca. I never thought life would be the same. I would look up and say why me, what did I do wrong to create this. I am a single parent raising 2 children and was doing my best, then this hit me with a ton of bricks. Last year, you couldn?t tell me that anything good could come from this. How??????..if it wasn't for all the darkness, the new light wouldn't be shining through!!   I welcome all you to my new business:

P.U.R.E. Inc., - Parents Universal Referral Experts, Inc.  God knew exactly what He was doing all along. Only I couldn?t see it at the time. When I decided to take this leap, I never imagined what was in store for me. My first sign was when we were looking for office space, I came across a small sign in a window next to my friends office. It said "For Rent". Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine I would be sharing space with a ?Juvenile Criminal Attorney?! That was God letting me know we are on the right road. Then when I contacted the phone company, our toll free number ends in PURE.. now what were those chances???? Our logo, which you will see on our web-site, is a Dove with a branch?. ?bringing families back together. A dove is a symbol of love, and this dream was created from love. Our web-site is www.HelpYourTeens.com (http://www.HelpYourTeens.com) Please check it out?..it should be done by Feb 1st- 5th. So far it is looking fantastic! God lead us to a great web-site Designer.

My partner in this venture, is Sandra Atkins. She has been a friend for many years and is a beautiful Christian woman. We have been looking for a business to open for the past 3 years, however, always hit road blocks. She went through a divorce, and I was having my own problems. Sandra has her Master's Degree in business, along with a General Contractor's License. She is also a single mother of 3 children. Her knowledge and intelligence combined with my first hand experience will compliment each other to make PURE Inc. a great success. We plan on expanding our horizons by also referring to Private Schools, Learning Centers and Military Schools. That, of course, is our goal for the future. Right now, we are concentrating on helping parents with their struggling teens.

I want to thank you for your encouraging letters, your kindness and your gratitude. I have spoken to many of you personally and have enjoyed assisting you all with getting referrals. When you see our web-site, please feel free to send your comments or suggestions. Also call me if you need any help with the referrals. I know many of you have requested copies of my letters that I sent to schools and doctors offices about the program. During this time of moving into our new office, I am totally swamped. Please re-send me your fax numbers and I will forward them to you as soon as possible.

I am always a phone call or e-mail away and I will always keep you in my prayers.

I would like to than Randall Hinton, at Teen Help, for all his support and time with my referrals and with the parents on this team. Also Diane Lucchetto, Mary Golley and Cindy Day, who inspired me to be my best and take that leap. Included is Kathi Colton, who added the web-site idea to many parents, and is constantly helping them through the steps. Rhonda Nemechek & June Gowing who gave me the encouragement to go forward. Most of all I thank God, for guiding me and allowing me to touch you all and the many to follow. I kept ignoring His calling, however, when I stepped left and listened.. P.U.R.E. Inc. was created!

Let's end as we always do....Prayerize, Visualize, Actualize! Go help others.please Pay it Forward and share all my ideas with other new parents?.if any one needs back issues of my ?ideas:, please let me?..

With loving prayers and gratitude,
Sue Scheff
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Post by: Anonymous on April 23, 2007, 07:23:32 PM
Excuse me while I  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::
Title: Sue Scheff Sue Scheff Scheff Sue Scheff Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on April 24, 2007, 04:01:45 PM
Narcissistic Personality Disorder:
- grandiose sense of self-importance
-preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance
-exaggrates achievements and talents
-belief she is "special or unique"
-takes advantage of others to achieve own ends
-lacks empathy
-seeks admiration
-seeks to associated with high-status people
-shows arrogant, haughty attitude and behaviors

Sound like anyone around here?
Title: SUE SCHEFF AND DUMB-BELL ISABELLE
Post by: Anonymous on April 24, 2007, 09:37:16 PM
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Narcissistic Personality Disorder:
- grandiose sense of self-importance
-preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance
-exaggrates achievements and talents
-belief she is "special or unique"
-takes advantage of others to achieve own ends
-lacks empathy
-seeks admiration
-seeks to associated with high-status people
-shows arrogant, haughty attitude and behaviors

Sound like anyone around here?


Right out of the Diagnostic Statistical Manual 4 for psychiatrists! You got it right on the money----right Miss BOTTLE OF BLACK POISON SUE-SUE and DUMB-BELL IZZA-BELL?