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The Troubled Teen Industry / Second Nature Wilderness Program
« on: January 05, 2008, 06:08:26 PM »
Because if someone does name names, no one 'gets their butt in jail'. In an absolute worst case scenario, they go work at some other program. And usually not even that.

Anonymous angry SN supporter - I'm not going to entertain your arguments in general anymore, they've sort of lost the novelty of feeding the troll.

As a closing note, while I was in Utah, i'm not divulging anything else because I don't care to become some investigation. I will, however, note that I can't make this shit up - and if I could, what reason do I have to? You, on the other hand, are either on some program's payroll or just a straight-up troll. You have to be providing the proof you so exalt, not me. kthnx.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Second Nature Wilderness Program
« on: January 05, 2008, 02:23:25 PM »
lulz ^.^

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Second Nature Wilderness Program
« on: January 05, 2008, 01:58:22 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak

nuff said

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Second Nature Wilderness Program
« on: January 05, 2008, 11:57:03 AM »
Quote from: ""Guest""

So the evidence to date shows no child has been abused and no children have died.  The fact that SN takes at risk kids and turns them around successfully is enough evidence of its effectiveness.
Until such time as a clinical study is done we will have to rely on first hand knowledge of the parents and children.




You mean like the firsthand accounts of I and however many others detailing abusive methods with no positive effects?

(btw I know this angry wilderness supporter is a troll, but this is making me giggle)

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Second Nature Wilderness Program
« on: January 04, 2008, 11:01:28 PM »

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Second Nature Wilderness Program
« on: January 04, 2008, 02:02:52 PM »
Ah, a mediocre troll reveals themselves. ^.^

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The Troubled Teen Industry / scientology--stem of aspen--nightmarish day
« on: January 04, 2008, 01:16:33 PM »
I've done a lot of research on them... and honestly, Scientology really is scarier than most programs.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Second Nature Wilderness Program
« on: January 04, 2008, 01:13:43 PM »
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Gender Specific Issues

That made me lol in particular. Their "specialization" there involved pretty much telling me, a diagnosed lifelong transsexual, "SHUT UP. YOU'RE A GUY, SINNER. STOP FUCKING WITH OUR HAPPY MORMON WORLDVIEW."

But it's not a "mean spirited camp", of course! It gave me a lot of pride and a sense of accomplishment! I totally needed a good kick in the ass for being depressed about a problem no one would touch!

oh. Wait.

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Fuck the studies.

Get me some gasoline and burn baby burn.


I am curious, though, as to how you're going to burn down a desert. >.>

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Second Nature Wilderness Program
« on: January 03, 2008, 04:44:03 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
If a kid is not suited to Second Nature or has serious psychiatric issues, the staff will refer them somewhere else.  They are not in it for the money.  


lol

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Second Nature Wilderness Program
« on: January 03, 2008, 02:19:11 PM »
not really. I'd list off the kids I knew well through these and what they did to 'deserve' it, but you know as well as I do that that's not true.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Second Nature Wilderness Program
« on: January 03, 2008, 12:56:59 PM »
Quote from: ""Nihilanthic""


"IMPACT" LETTERS ARE OBVIOUSLY A WAY TO EMOTIONALLY ATTACK THE CHILD FORCED TO READ THEM.

THEY ARE NOT THERAPY.

THIS PROGRAM HAS BEEN DEBUNKED TO HELL PREVIOUSLY.

LETS DIG UP THE OLD THREADS  :roll: TIME FOR THREAD NECROMANCERY!


The word, I believe, is 'necromancy'.

As a survivor, though, I'll go ahead and point out that these were about the furthest from 'therapy' you could get. They were their way of breaking you down via forced confession like any other - it didn't matter if things were exaggerated or outright bullshit, you were forced to agree with them and 'read them neutrally'. It was a start to the system of regression used as 'help' by so many programs to fuck with kids' heads severely.. and the short form of it is that whatever anecdotes from marketers may abound, Second Nature has been debunked repeatedly and has no value as therapy or anything else. For anyone.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Parents who put their kids in program don't care about them
« on: January 02, 2008, 02:55:38 PM »
Exactly. They're evil, they're twisted, and there's nothing they can do to 'help' anyone... but goddamn, are they good marketers. In particular, they seem to excel in taking ANYTHING at all outside the perfect docile child-creature mold and spinning it into a 100% terminal pathology. That's what my parents fell for, and while i'm still not ready to forgive them, it's not like they just upped and decided "Oh, let's pay to have our kid tortured!"

The fact of the matter: If I hadn't been through whatever programs, I would not be deadinsaneorinjail. I would have finished high school a year earlier. Quite life-ruining, hm?

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Parents who put their kids in program don't care about them
« on: January 02, 2008, 12:21:04 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
not true parents who put their kids in programs when all else has failed and they are sick and tired of the lying, disrespect, drugs in the house and all the drama and just want their kids to be respectful and respect boundaries


+1 for effort, but all around terribly lacking in creativity and, more importantly, offense. 2/10

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Second Nature Wilderness Program
« on: January 01, 2008, 06:40:34 PM »
Whatever.

Not a very convincing troll. ^.^

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Second Nature Wilderness Program
« on: January 01, 2008, 12:14:13 PM »
Okay... much as I dislike and disagree with The Who, I have to give credit for that.

As to the whole thing... keep in mind, i'm not the one talking about legality. I haven't bothered to look up specific Utah child abuse laws, as I don't plan on bringing up a suit - i've got some personal stuff that needs my money more. I think it's evil, manipulative and twisted, and I think trying to pin legality as a main issue sets you up as an amoral jerk (to say the least)... but I myself do not know anything about what's legal or not in this past the false imprisonment.

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