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Title: Craig Stephen Rogers is angry at Fornits and HEAL
Post by: Oscar on January 31, 2011, 05:06:14 AM
Read more here:

Heal-Online & Fornit’s Wayward Web Fora Falsify Info to Harm Boarding Schools (http://http://craigstephenrogers.com/archives/heal-online-fornits-wayward-web-fora-falsify-info-harm-boarding-schools/) (Angry Outburst Website)
Title: Re: Craig Stephen Rogers is angry at Fornits and HEAL
Post by: Dysfunction Junction on January 31, 2011, 09:52:07 AM
Oh well.  Some advice, Craig:  :suicide:  :twofinger:
Title: Heal-Online & Fornit's Wayward Web Fora Falsify Information.
Post by: Ursus on January 31, 2011, 12:01:51 PM
LOLOLOLOLLLL! Such saber rattling!! So, Abundant Life Academy is not so abundant in spirit, eh? :D

And, he's targeted the fornits Wiki as well!

Here's an excerpt for posterity's sake; I can't imagine that he'll leave this post intact when he realizes what a shot in the foot it is (I could be wrong, though! lol!):

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Craig & Wendy Rogers – Parent Coaches – Help for Troubled Teens
Posted on January 29, 2011 by Craig Rogers

Heal-Online & Fornit's Wayward Web Fora Falsify Information to Cause Harm to Boarding Schools for Troubled Teens (http://http://craigstephenrogers.com/archives/heal-online-fornits-wayward-web-fora-falsify-info-harm-boarding-schools/)

Heal-online and Fornit's Wayward Web attack therapeutic boarding schools with a smear campaign. The following information is taken directly off the websites owned and managed by Heal-Online and Fornit's Wayward Web Fora. Both organizations are known for targeting boarding schools for troubled teens with the intentions of spreading false information meant to financially harm anyone associated with Boarding Schools for Troubled Teens. Heal-Online and Fornit's Wayward Web Fora are covers for many social activists with similar causes. Both Heal-Online and Fornit's are self-admitted radical leftists who have claimed that there is nothing "off the table" as it pertains to the harassment, and harm, of therapeutic boarding schools, including criminal acts (including violence, use of fire, use of bombs, etc.).

Love them or hate them the radical left-wing groups known as Heal-Online and Fornit's are pushing hate, violence, and intolerance. There is no better description of the intolerant left-wing agenda than right there on the Heal-Online and Fornit's web sites, for the entire world to see. They don't hide their hate and they are proud to share it. One look at their agenda and its easy for the visitor to grasp the lack of credibility and the obvious slant/bias. Nothing they present on their websites can be trusted. Its all garbage, skewed, rude, and mostly lude.

Both Heal-Online and Fornit's are open activists for prisoners rights, including pedophiles and other crimes related to child abuse. Both groups are self-proclaimed animal rights activities as well as self-proclaimed left-wing radicals with the intention of protecting the environment at any cost. Moreover, both organization support the legalization of Marijuana and other illicit drugs. The most disturbing is their stance on the protection of prisoner's rights, most specifically those in prison for crimes against children. Below you will find information taken directly off of their websites and provided to you as links to their sites. They can't deny their own propaganda. Everything below this paragraph is taken directly from their websites.

<snip snip for sheer excess of poorly executed copy-pasta>
Title: Re: Craig Stephen Rogers is angry at Fornits and HEAL
Post by: Dysfunction Junction on January 31, 2011, 12:24:20 PM
More about this moron, Craig Stephen Rogers, below, courtesy of Ursus:

Quote from: "Ursus"
Someone recently posted a new thread about ALA, but then chose to pull it. In the meantime, I had already composed a reply. Hence, I'm tacking my reply onto this thread, fwiw...

Quote from: "Guest"
A friend of mine posted a question here on facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&gid=6088120783 (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&gid=6088120783)

She signed up just for this occasion and basicaly just asked about the experience of former students. She is doing some research on faith based schools ....her question was reported,her account was deleted....
Someone from ALA reported her...and sent her a very threatening mail (basicaly telling her they will talk to their lawyers etc.)

So I posted a question there today...and got similar feedback from that ALA person.
Now I am waiting if my account will be deleted as well LOL
I mean..the ALA reaction is so overboard...it was just a question, nothing else...If a single question freakes them out and causes such an reaction...don't you think it is strange?
Yes... Abundant Life Academy is a bit "feisty" in this regard. If your friend is doing research on faith-based programs per se, there are also quite a few others of that ilk discussed on fornits, e.g., ones associated with Roloff Ministries. Another program with a heavy Christian hand and which has been recently addressed is Shepherd's Hill Farm.

Anyway, here are some threads which discuss or mention Abundant Life Academy specifically (there are more). There appears to be some type of connection to WWASPS; at a quick glance I can't tell whether that connection is personal, financial, or institutional. Two other good terms to search for would be Spencer Moody and Craig Rogers:

  • looking for info on Abundant Life Academy
    viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16509 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16509)
  • Three Springs Wayne County CLOSES!!!
    viewtopic.php?f=9&t=19895 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=19895)
  • MISSING PREGNANT TEENS - NEED YOUR HELP
    viewtopic.php?f=44&t=20441 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=20441)
  • Histry of Abuntant Life Academy (as listed on their website)
    viewtopic.php?f=9&t=20664 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=20664)
  • Blogging for Wilderness/ALA
    viewtopic.php?f=9&t=23108 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=23108)
  • Christian Schools Referral Biz
    viewtopic.php?f=9&t=23119 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=23119)
  • Abundant life academy
    viewtopic.php?f=9&t=27800 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=27800)
  • A New List of Programee Scum from Prodigal Child Ministries.
    viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28023 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28023)
  • How some parents finance the costs of having a child at ALA
    viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28216 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28216)
  • Fornits posters are invited to visit ALA
    viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28262 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28262)
  • ALA vs Fornits. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28766 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28766)

 :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
Title: Re: Craig Stephen Rogers is angry at Fornits and HEAL
Post by: seamus on January 31, 2011, 12:48:34 PM
Ignorant fundy bastard spells lewd, as LUDE......freudian slip perhaps? :rofl:
Title: Re: Craig Stephen Rogers is angry at Fornits and HEAL
Post by: Froderik on January 31, 2011, 07:26:35 PM
Quote from: "seamus"
Ignorant fundy bastard spells lewd, as LUDE......freudian slip perhaps? :rofl:

Kkyeah...noticed that..  :roflmao:
Title: Re: Craig Stephen Rogers is angry at Fornits and HEAL
Post by: heretik on February 01, 2011, 12:06:41 AM
I was thinking today if maybe this guy was Whooter. Funny how one episode followed the other. I know crazy. Was anyone else thinking along these lines or am I, REALLY FISH'IN.
Title: Re: Craig Stephen Rogers is angry at Fornits and HEAL
Post by: Froderik on February 01, 2011, 09:50:15 AM
I'll cop to it, the thought crossed my mind..but I don't know if i really believe that or not (and i think people here can tend to jump to conclusions).. besides it seems like a couple of people on the forum are already acquainted with this person..
Title: Re: Craig Stephen Rogers is angry at Fornits and HEAL
Post by: seamus on February 01, 2011, 09:04:21 PM
I doubt its him, this guy is way fundy,and less literate. But if it did turn out to be  whooter, Id nominate him for an oscar. :rofl:

Kinda pisses me of to think, im considered a "leftist" now. But this whiney little crybaby wouldnt know the difference.
I mean fuck, I geuss if being Pro- gun, and Pro-chioce,and a rabid hater of PETA,makes me a leftist....... :roflmao:
Title: Re: Craig Stephen Rogers is angry at Fornits and HEAL
Post by: BuzzKill on February 02, 2011, 12:03:38 PM
I feel all but certain Craig is not the Who. The personalities are very different.

I can not imagine why Craig is doing this? Seems nuts. He is providing advertising complete with links to the very forums he feels do damage to his business.  I can't imagine very many ALA people stumble upon Fornits or HEAL, or that if they did they would take what they find in a casual reading very seriously. All he is doing is directing people to check it out and adding weight to the opposition argument with such a protest.

Angela's HEAL is what it is b/c it is basically one person's work. But when she posts a statement by a student that is the student's first hand account - not Angela's opinion - and such accounts carry a lot of credibility, especially as they grow in number.

Why he would want to play with the fire that is Fornits really puzzles me. How he can think a wide-open, public forum can be stuck in a "leftist" box is beyond me.  

It's just really depressing for me to see this kind of thing coming from a Christian man.
Title: Re: Craig Stephen Rogers is angry at Fornits and HEAL
Post by: seamus on February 02, 2011, 01:26:12 PM
The thing that is depressing to me is the abuse generated, after all, faith is as faith DOES ,right? Least that what my gramma said. :nods:  Ive known some truly decent people in my time, from all faiths,and I DO mean ALL. I doubt this cat qualifies. The whole leftist thing is a feeble attempt and marginalizing and opponent,while pandering to a specific, conservetive and fudamentalist mindset.  Ive seen many of his type also, he's more to be pitied in my book.
Title: Re: Craig Stephen Rogers is angry at Fornits and HEAL
Post by: BuzzKill on February 02, 2011, 01:54:55 PM
Quote from: "seamus"
The thing that is depressing to me is the abuse generated,

Well sure. This goes without saying. For me, as a Christian, and one who has been grateful for the friendship of the Rogers family, the sadness of the situation is somewhat magnified.


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after all, faith is as faith DOES ,right? Least that what my gramma said. :nods:
Isn't the saying Beauty is as beauty does?  Same difference tho, isn't it? As for faith, the Christian faith, as taught by Christ, is nothing remotely like what has been on display here - and this too is a sad thing. Craig really should know better.

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Ive known some truly decent people in my time, from all faiths,and I DO mean ALL. I doubt this cat qualifies.
It seems doubtful - and this is sad, b/c I know (I think) that he is basically a generous and self-sacrificing man. I find myself wondering what has happened? Has his grandiosity taken over completely? He seems to have a loosened grasp of reality.

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The whole leftist thing is a feeble attempt and marginalizing and opponent,while pandering to a specific, conservetive and fudamentalist mindset.  Ive seen many of his type also, he's more to be pitied in my book.

I agree.
Title: Re: Craig Stephen Rogers is angry at Fornits and HEAL
Post by: seamus on March 13, 2011, 04:18:13 PM
go to YOU TUBE and search FORNITS to see the feeble lil blurb on INTOLERANCE from ALA.......kinda like the pot callin the kettle a skillet :roflmao: But again jesus is the ONLY WAY,no? Whats next? bet its DEADINSANEINJAIL........some day therell be a hearing.......and somebody's card will get pulled......same as it ever was ::deadhorse::
Title: Re: Craig Stephen Rogers is angry at Fornits and HEAL
Post by: Froderik on March 13, 2011, 04:24:45 PM
Quote from: "seamus"
go to YOU TUBE and search FORNITS to see the feeble lil blurb on INTOLERANCE from ALA.......kinda like the pot callin the kettle a skillet :roflmao: But again jesus is the ONLY WAY,no? Whats next? bet its DEADINSANEINJAIL........some day therell be a hearing.......and somebody's card will get pulled......same as it ever was ::deadhorse::

What the hell is this guy talking about (the audio sucks)?
What i can understand sounds like fucking bullshit...
Title: Re: Craig Stephen Rogers is angry at Fornits and HEAL
Post by: BuzzKill on March 13, 2011, 06:30:36 PM
Who is Eric Norwoood?

Why does he think he can't express his opinion here if he wants? Or that anyone opposes him expressing his opinion anywhere? Once again, I am left scratching my head. This is very strange. Maybe he thinks he should be able to express his opinion without opposition or debate??
Title: Re: Craig Stephen Rogers is angry at Fornits and HEAL
Post by: Ursus on March 14, 2011, 02:16:29 PM
Quote from: "BuzzKill"
Who is Eric Norwoood?

Why does he think he can't express his opinion here if he wants? Or that anyone opposes him expressing his opinion anywhere? Once again, I am left scratching my head. This is very strange. Maybe he thinks he should be able to express his opinion without opposition or debate??
Or, maybe he's afraid of not "winning" that debate.
Title: Re: Craig Stephen Rogers is angry at Fornits and HEAL
Post by: BuzzKill on March 14, 2011, 03:23:28 PM
Quote from: "Ursus"
Quote from: "BuzzKill"
Who is Eric Norwoood?

Why does he think he can't express his opinion here if he wants? Or that anyone opposes him expressing his opinion anywhere? Once again, I am left scratching my head. This is very strange. Maybe he thinks he should be able to express his opinion without opposition or debate??
Or, maybe he's afraid of not "winning" that debate.

Ya think? ;-)

But why would he go poking a sleeping bear?
Title: Re: Craig Stephen Rogers is angry at Fornits and HEAL
Post by: Inculcated on March 14, 2011, 05:37:56 PM
I really don't think he can help himself (or for that matter anyone's kid).

There are two versions of Abundant Life Academy (ALA) Founder Craig Roger's rambling youtube rant. In the blue shirt version (with the weird echo)there is far more distortion going on with that than just the sound quality.

Despite the perseverating theme of "Tolerance" (to the degree that one could make a drinking game of doing shots for the repetitious iterations of the word tolerance) the blue shirt (http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI5H0aX1kmc) version includes a reference to Dr. Martin Luther King in an odd contradictory contrast with his brief toss in of anti-muslim hate speech, as well as complaints that seemingly anyone who has ever questioned his  deeds or his assertions has somehow impugned his right to free speech. The distorted (blue shirt version) of his rant appears to be him reading from his Orwellian Tolerance blog which can (as of this posting) be found here (http://http://blog.abundantlifeacademy.com/news-related-to-troubled-teens-behavioral-health-industry-news/heal-online-and-fornits-exercising-intolerance-not-freedom/743)
The yellow shirt version (http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_MvxL9APtw) is quite similar, but oddly he is seated in front of a small partially obscured cage fighting poster and in that one he appears to be accusing that invitations from HEAL to engage in debate on certain points are somehow an infringement on his liberty. Strangely, in this version (which he probably considers an eloquent fulmination) he also appears to be invoking the right to remain silent…which would probably do this man some good as his blog entries have caught the attention of others
 An online news article (http://http://www.sunews.net/article.cfm?articleID=733)  regarding employees leaving ALA and other discord includes references to his apologies for still another blog entry of his in which he describes himself as
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“...very weak in the flesh and the emotions, but strong in the Spirit. Faith is abounding ... unstoppable ... jacked up and on overdrive”.
The article closes with Staff comments –
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“The staff wants to help the kids,” said one disgruntled former staff member. “We have always cared so much about them.” They said Rogers operates the business on fear and threat behavior towards staff.
Estimations from prior staff – roughly 20 personnel have left – is that there are around 50 kids there currently, with probably eight to 10 people left to work with the kids, with no educational staff.
“It’s just all about Craig,” said a former staff member. “We are worried about the kids.”
Not that I would expect him to have read much Dietrich Bonhoeffer, but the theologian once wrote “The test of the morality of a society is what it does for its children”. It’s not about your embattled soul, Craig. It’s just some people (including activists and authorities etc. and your former staff)  taking issue with your being more of a delusional wolf running a program – perhaps a bit too “Xtreme”  of a “Faith Academy” .
Title: Re: Craig Stephen Rogers is angry at Fornits and HEAL
Post by: trinity on March 14, 2011, 09:15:02 PM
CR fights back in:

Heal-Online & Fornit's Wayward Web Fora Set to Rectify False Information that Boarding Schools for Troubled Teens market to unsuspecting, desperate families.
- a parody

Heal-online and Fornits Wayward Web Fora relentlessly campaign to expose therapeutic boarding school industry’s perpetual fraud. The following information was taken directly off the websites owned and managed by Heal-Online and Fornits Wayward Web Fora. Both sites, known for exposing the illicit affairs of boarding schools for troubled teens, exhibit intentions of spreading candid information meant to embarrass anyone associated with Boarding Schools for Troubled Teens, uh, “winning.”  Heal-Online and Fornits Wayward Web Fora are wrought with child advocates that fight for the rights and safety of children. Both Heal-Online and Fornits are self-admitted humanists, all of ‘mixed faith’, I may add.  They have claimed that there is nothing "off the table" as it pertains to prosecuting those that continue to harm children under the pretext of the Teen Help Industry aka known as therapeutic boarding schools.  These advocates continually expose our criminal acts including, but not limited to child abuse (deprivation, misuse of trust, misuse of faith, etc).

Love them or hate them, these child advocate websites known as Heal-Online and Fornits are exposing our hatred, violence, and intolerance toward the children in our care. There is no better description of the intolerant far right-wing agenda than right at our school - for the entire world to see. We normally hide our blind hatred, but our pride tells us to share it.  Indeed, we are blasphemous in using Christianity to mask our hatred. One look at our agenda and it is easy for the visitor to grasp our lack of credibility and the obvious slant/bias/fraud we preach. Nothing we present on our websites can be trusted. It is all garbage, skewed, to falsely market to distraught parents.

Both Heal-Online and Fornits are openly activists for victim’s rights, and deplore our hiring of pedophiles and other criminal child abusers. These child advocates have the audacity to fight for animal rights, too.  These infidel Christian/Judaic/Buddhist/Muslim radicals dare to care about protecting the environment, disgusting. Moreover, if our government allows legalization of marijuana, it shall affect our income. The most disturbing is the child advocate’s stance on the protection of children’s rights; most specifically targeting those of us that abuse children as is our privilege in teen boarding schools. We are the ‘right’ kind of Christian.  Do you believe these advocates want us behind bars and they will not support our release! Below you will find information taken directly off these advocate websites. I cannot deny the truth of their postings. Everything below this paragraph comes directly from their pitiful, moral websites.

Sincerely,


CR, the "right" kind of Christian
Co-founder of the immortal Life Academy,  Christian (no one else is allowed) boarding school for troubled teens. “Christian” means we can go unlicensed and do as we wish.  Married for 18 years, with four children that I have probably ruined, since I am a resident psycho.


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Title: Re: Craig Stephen Rogers is angry at Fornits and HEAL
Post by: Froderik on March 15, 2011, 11:56:28 AM
Quote from: "trinity"
Both Heal-Online and Fornits are openly activists for victim’s rights, and deplore our hiring of pedophiles and other criminal child abusers. These child advocates have the audacity to fight for animal rights, too. These infidel Christian/Judaic/Buddhist/Muslim radicals dare to care about protecting the environment, disgusting. Moreover, if our government allows legalization of marijuana, it shall affect our income. The most disturbing is the child advocate’s stance on the protection of children’s rights; most specifically targeting those of us that abuse children as is our privilege in teen boarding schools. We are the ‘right’ kind of Christian. Do you believe these advocates want us behind bars and they will not support our release! Below you will find information taken directly off these advocate websites. I cannot deny the truth of their postings. Everything below this paragraph comes directly from their pitiful, moral websites.

:D
Title: Re: Craig Stephen Rogers is angry at Fornits and HEAL
Post by: seamus on March 15, 2011, 03:11:35 PM
HMMMMMM....... I wonder just how "tolerant" he'd be of a mosque,or a temple say,I dunno, across the street from him?
Does he understand that Cristians,Jews,and Muslims all worship the God of Abraham? I never could figure folks like him. :rofl:
Title: Re: Craig Stephen Rogers is angry at Fornits and HEAL
Post by: Jill Ryan on March 16, 2011, 11:23:05 AM
This man actually owns a school?  His ramblings appear unbalanced.  His former staff obviously abhor this man. After reading his diatribe, his former staff seem to fall short of doing him justice in painting an accurate portrait.
Title: Re: Craig Stephen Rogers is angry at Fornits and HEAL
Post by: Froderik on March 16, 2011, 11:36:28 AM
Quote from: "Jill Ryan"
his former staff seem to fall short of doing him justice in painting an accurate portrait.

Probably a vast understatement.
Title: Re: Craig Stephen Rogers is angry at Fornits and HEAL
Post by: BuzzKill on March 16, 2011, 12:35:31 PM
Quote from: "seamus"
Does he understand that Cristians,Jews,and Muslims all worship the God of Abraham? I never could figure folks like him. :rofl:

I doubt it, because it isn't true.
http://http://www.investigateislam.com/moonGod.htm
http://http://www.lamblion.com/articles/articles_islam1.php

Quote from: "Froderik"
Quote from: "Jill Ryan"
his former staff seem to fall short of doing him justice in painting an accurate portrait.

Probably a vast understatement.

It is true he has always seemed to have problems with his staff. It becomes impossible to believe it is always the staff's fault.