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Title: Wilderness: the answer for some troubled teens
Post by: Anonymous on September 19, 2009, 08:37:09 PM
DURANGO - Sometimes just getting away from the problems and patterns of normal life can really help kids who are struggling to overcome problems with drugs, eating disorders and even anger management.
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That's the concept behind Open Sky Wilderness Therapy, one of the fifty Colorado Companies to Watch selected by the Colorado Department of Economic Development and International Trade.

Open Sky assists struggling adolescents and young adults who are dealing with a variety of issues from self-esteem problems to depression, to promiscuity to addiction. The program separates the youth from their ordinary lives, bringing them into the wilderness far from the influence of the friends, family and situations that may have created or contributed to the problem. Plus, challenges in the rustic setting allow the student to build confidence and find new ways to solve problems.

"They get different coping skills or some different ways they can deal with the emotions and problems of life. They don't have to use external things like drugs or slamming doors or isolating themselves," explained Open Sky Admissions Director Lauren Lollini.

The goal is to find new and more productive ways of dealing with their issues and actually put them to work.

"They're able to practice in the wilderness and figure out exactly what is going to work and what's not going to work," Lollini said. "(They) set up some good momentum for when they do get out of the wilderness and they're back in real life."

In addition to clinical care provided by the company's therapists and doctors, the program offers a holistic approach. Participants eat organic food and are treated with naturopathic medicine.

The company's services are not cheap. It can cost more than $400 a day, which can really add up over an average 8 to 9 week program. Lollini says the company does offer scholarships to defray the cost for some of the kids.

Open Sky Wilderness Therapy was selected as one of 2009's 50 Companies to Watch by the state of Colorado. To see stories about the other companies selected, CLICK HERE.
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it has a video report on the website

http://www.9news.com/seenon9news/articl ... &catid=509 (http://www.9news.com/seenon9news/article.aspx?storyid=123071&catid=509)
Title: Re: Wilderness: the answer for some troubled teens
Post by: Oscar on September 20, 2009, 02:10:04 AM
What the recent death at Sagewalk confirmed was that wilderness therapy still is not without risk.

Turning to what is known about this specific program the datasheet on our Wiki (http://http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Open_Sky_Wilderness_Therapy) have a quote from an article in Salt Lake Tribune:

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Recent sheriff's records: In October 2007, a girl ran away from Open Sky and ended up on a woman's porch with no shoes, saying she had been kidnapped and her wrist was hurt when she refused to submit to a strip search, according to a report from the San Juan County Sheriff's Office. Her father, who lives in San Francisco, retrieved her and said it was the fourth such camp she had run away from. The same month, another girl fell about 20 feet and was taken to a hospital with neck and back pain.

Maybe it is impossible to make wilderness programs safe. The question is whether the parents are prepared to have a body bag returned instead of the Stepford child intended.
Title: Re: Wilderness: the answer for some troubled teens
Post by: Anonymous on September 20, 2009, 09:11:17 AM
According to ISAC, Alldredge is now operating as Ayne Institute, so, it appears they're still open.

I think wilderness programs have a shorter life span because kids die in them so often. If kids would have died in schools as often as they do in wilderness programs, you'd see the same pattern.
Title: Ayne Institute
Post by: Ursus on September 22, 2009, 11:11:42 AM
Quote from: "Yael (Eshet Khever ha'Kinii)"
According to ISAC, Alldredge is now operating as Ayne Institute, so, it appears they're still open.

I think wilderness programs have a shorter life span because kids die in them so often. If kids would have died in schools as often as they do in wilderness programs, you'd see the same pattern.
Is the Ayne Institute still in operation? It seems to have fallen off the radar in the last couple of years...

Here's a representative salary rundown from 2003 I just happened to run across, whilst searching for activity... Doesn't look like staff were paid a whole lot even back then:

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Salary of Ayne Institute LLC dba Alldredge Academy (http://http://www.jobs-salary.com/salary-of-ayne-institute-llc-dba-alldredge-academy.htm)

1-4 of 4 results. Page 1 of 1.
Ayne Institute LLC dba Alldredge Academy jobs

Teacher Environmental Studies   
Wilderness Outdoor Experiential Teacher
Wilderness Outdoor Experiential Teacher
Wilderness Outdoor Experiential Teacher
Title: Re: Wilderness: the answer for some troubled teens
Post by: Anonymous on October 01, 2009, 07:22:10 PM
Alldredge Academy/Ayne Institute was sold to Solacium in 2006. The name was changed to Alldredge Wilderness Journey.  The program was closed (failed) in December 2008. Solicium Changed their name to InnerChange and continues to operate RTC;s in Utah.
L. Jay Mitchell, the original owner and person responsible for a child's death in 2001, opened a new program in Pence Springs, W.V. called Greenbrier Academy for Girls. Many of the employees of Greenbrier Academy are Mitchell's family members or ex Alldredge employees. Same scam, different name. L. Jay Mitchell has had at least two children die in his care. It is just a matter of time before another tragedy occurs.
Title: Re: Wilderness: the answer for some troubled teens
Post by: RMA Survivor on October 02, 2009, 12:44:16 AM
Just because you know how to make pie or bread doesn't mean you should open a bakery.  So many of these camps are created by people with no experience outside of a very limited background.  A guy who has chopped down a lot of trees and hiked through many mountains is not competent to provide therapy to anyone.  Someone who was a chef at a therapy school is not qualified to run his own.
Title: Re: Wilderness: the answer for some troubled teens
Post by: Che Gookin on October 02, 2009, 03:18:41 AM
http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28791

Not one former staff member speaking out, not two, but three have something to say about wilderness programs of different sorts.
Title: Alldredge Academy / Ayne Institute and Solacium / InnerChang
Post by: Ursus on October 02, 2009, 09:33:30 PM
Quote from: "guest456378"
Alldredge Academy/Ayne Institute was sold to Solacium in 2006. The name was changed to Alldredge Wilderness Journey.  The program was closed (failed) in December 2008. Solicium Changed their name to InnerChange and continues to operate RTC;s in Utah.
L. Jay Mitchell, the original owner and person responsible for a child's death in 2001, opened a new program in Pence Springs, W.V. called Greenbrier Academy for Girls. Many of the employees of Greenbrier Academy are Mitchell's family members or ex Alldredge employees. Same scam, different name. L. Jay Mitchell has had at least two children die in his care. It is just a matter of time before another tragedy occurs.
I guess I got the impression from the OP that Ayne may have become a separate entity from Alldgredge Wilderness Journey, which I hadn't heard about, and which is what I was seeking to confirm.

Of course, Mitchell brought both Alldredge Wilderness Journey as well as Greenbrier Academy to Solacium's fold. Then Solacium had to downsize, and a number of key personnel left, among them L. Jay Mitchell. He took Greenbrier with him, and Solacium / InnerChange axed what was left of Alldredge, as well as one or two of their other programs.

Back in December of 2007, these are the programs that Solacium / InnerChange owned [KEY: bold text: still in operation; red dots - still owned by Solacium / InnerChange; blue dots - now owned by someone else]:


See also:

Alldredge/Ayne Settles, Admits Guilt
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=15652&p=243417#p243417 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=15652&p=243417#p243417)[/list]
SOLACIUM Holdings LLC
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=24481 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=24481)[/list]
GREENBRIER ACADEMY / L. Jay Mitchell
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=27622 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=27622)[/list]
Title: Re: Wilderness Programs: the answer for some troubled teens
Post by: dreamingneon on July 22, 2010, 05:08:39 AM
It is really difficult to judge a wilderness program unless you have become part of the system and experienced everything it has to offer. Although taking your children to a foreign program and having them go through its rigorous and mostly strict programs, these types of programs are not as bad as they sound. According to this site about wilderness programs (http://http://www.teenwildernessprograms.org/), troubled teens will benefit from the program's strict rules and regulations as they will help the teens to become the person that they ought to be and overcome their behavioral problems. So, I don't think such programs won't hurt the chances of parents helping their children.
Title: Re: Wilderness: the answer for some troubled teens
Post by: Whooter on July 22, 2010, 07:53:25 AM
Some Pros and Cons:

Pro    * Can run roughly 4-8 weeks  

  Con    * No academics involved

  Pro    * Keeps the teen away from any outside influences that may be affecting him/her

    Pro   * Good for teens struggling with ADD/ADHD, Oppositional Defiant Behavior, and/or substance abuse

  Pro    * Emphasize positive behavior change

    Pro   * Teach respect, self-discipline, self-esteem, self-confidence, group participation and responsibility

    Con   * Cost anywhere from $4,000-$9,000 month



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Title: Re: Wilderness: the answer for some troubled teens
Post by: Troll Control on July 22, 2010, 08:09:06 AM
CON - Kills children.  Aspen Education wilderness killed a kid recently and was shut down by authorities.

CON - No evidence suggests wilderness is effective at helping anyone with anything.

CON(def.) - Whooter/Aspen Education ;)
Title: Re: Wilderness: the answer for some troubled teens
Post by: DannyB II on July 22, 2010, 09:53:05 AM
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
CON - Kills children.  Aspen Education wilderness killed a kid recently and was shut down by authorities.

CON - No evidence suggests wilderness is effective at helping anyone with anything.

CON(def.) - Whooter/Aspen Education ;)

Just asking a question here?????  
I am still learning about the volume of wilderness programs offered in America, to young kids with assorted problems. Dysfunction are you saying that "no" Wilderness Programs are effective or is it "the" wilderness is not effective.
Title: Re: Wilderness: the answer for some troubled teens
Post by: Troll Control on July 22, 2010, 01:42:24 PM
I think a kid going camping with their family would probably be effective in helping to grow the familial bonds.  "The Wilderness" in and of itself has no intrinsic therapeutic value.  

"Wilderness Programs" have never been subjected to research studies and therefore nobody can make the claim that they are "effective" at helping anyone with anything.  Anecdotal evidence suggests they could be anywhere in the range of having no effect to being harmful or deadly.  We'd have to see some sort of rigorous examination by an independent researcher before we can make any real judgment.

Right now, suffice it to say, "wilderness programs," like Aspen Education's Sagewalk (shut down for murdering a child, according to the sheriff), have maimed and killed children in their care and, as such, in the absence of any evidence of their effectiveness, should be strictly avoided.
Title: Re: Wilderness: the answer for some troubled teens
Post by: Whooter on July 22, 2010, 02:59:34 PM
Interesting Read


Wilderness Therapy Programs” are powerful and effective interventions for adolescents with behavioral, mental health and substance abuse disorders. As a practicing psychologist, I have referred hundreds of adolescents to these programs over the past eight years. I have also been involved in outcome research and publishing consumer protection information about Wilderness Programs on the Internet. Here is what I have learned.

   Wilderness programs that treat adolescents are part of a broader field called outdoor behavioral health. Making referrals to wilderness therapy programs, providing concurrent family treatment and follow-up services represent a tremendous opportunity for adolescent and family psychologists’ practice development.
   The term “wilderness therapy” can confuse those who are considering this intervention option. Wilderness therapy has two meanings: (1) introducing people to the wilderness “as the therapist,” and (2) “therapeutic activities” that take place in the wilderness. Wilderness therapy programs were developed as alternatives to adolescent inpatient and residential treatment programs.

   The purpose of a wilderness therapy program is to separate youth from negative influences and place them in environments that are safe and support growth. Students are not merely thrown into the wilderness and made to suffer hardships. They are encouraged, challenged and given every opportunity to succeed in activities that are necessary, natural or reasonable. Children form bonds with each other, field staff and therapists while they endure adversity and struggle as a group to overcome natural challenges. Wilderness therapy is experiential, based on action methods and includes individual and group psychotherapy.


Link (http://http://nationalpsychologist.com/articles/art_v16n1_3.htm)



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Title: Wilderness Programs Kill Kids
Post by: Troll Control on July 22, 2010, 03:36:57 PM
I found this article very interesting.  And deeply disturbing.  Just goes to show that the marketing spin is vastly different from the harsh realities these kids face when left alone in the wilderness with untrained and often sadistic program staff...

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Media Release - Sheriff recommends death be identified a homicide at Sagewalk (OR, Sagewalk)
Tuesday, March 30 2010 Deputy Sheriff Chuck Pore    .

The Lake County Sheriff's Office has concluded its primary investigation into the death of Sergey Blashchishen in northern Lake County on August 28th, 2009.


Sergey was attending SageWalk The Wilderness School when he died while participating in his first program hike. Findings, investigative opinions, and recommendations have been prepared in a criminal investigations report.

This report will now shortly be submitted to the Lake County District Attorney. Any recommendations of the report, including any recommendations for prosecution, are not binding on the District Attorney. Due to the size and complexity of the investigation and the report itself, it is not expected that any District Attorney opinion or charging decision will be forthcoming for a period of time.

Although the Department of Human Services Office of Investigations and Training conducted much of their investigation in cooperation with the Lake County Sheriff's Office, the separate investigations have separate responsibilities. The report of the State Medical Examiner has not been released. It is not expected that the findings of either DHS or the ME will be in conflict with the Sheriff's Office conclusions, but that when released, their findings will be based upon the mission and parameters of the respective agency. Additional support was provided during this investigation by the Oregon State Police, the Deschutes County Sheriff's Office, and the United States Bureau of Land Management. The Lake County Sheriff's Office is grateful to all persons, named and unnamed, who have contributed their assistance during this investigation.

Deputy Sheriff Chuck Poré has been the primary case investigator for the Lake County Sheriff's Office and is the report author. This investigation has included interviews of persons who were on the hike with Sergey Blashchishen and witnessed the incident and his death; interview of persons not on the hike but familiar with the program practices and procedures; and review of hundreds of documents from the Aspen Education Group and SageWalk The Wilderness School program. The investigation of the Lake County Sheriff's Office has made a recommendation that the manner of Sergey Blashchishen's death be identified as a homicide.[/i]

The prosecution of criminal charges have been recommended for the corporations responsible for the program which resulted in Sergey's death. At the time of his death, Sergey was on a program hike administered by several corporate employees known as field instructors. Although most were medically trained, investigation identified issues which may have brought medical practices into conflict with program practices, and this conflict having a significant impact on Sergey Blashchishen's death.

No recommendation has been made in the cases of the individual field instructors but a District Attorney review has been requested. The media patience extended during the course of this investigation has been admirable. It is asked that you continue the same courtesy to the Office of the District Attorney as the District Attorney begins this next part of the investigation.

 :suicide:  :poison:  :eek:
Title: Re: Wilderness: the answer for some troubled teens
Post by: DannyB II on July 22, 2010, 11:31:17 PM
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
I think a kid going camping with their family would probably be effective in helping to grow the familial bonds.  "The Wilderness" in and of itself has no intrinsic therapeutic value.  

"Wilderness Programs" have never been subjected to research studies and therefore nobody can make the claim that they are "effective" at helping anyone with anything.  Anecdotal evidence suggests they could be anywhere in the range of having no effect to being harmful or deadly.  We'd have to see some sort of rigorous examination by an independent researcher before we can make any real judgment.

Right now, suffice it to say, "wilderness programs," like Aspen Education's Sagewalk (shut down for murdering a child, according to the sheriff), have maimed and killed children in their care and, as such, in the absence of any evidence of their effectiveness, should be strictly avoided.

So according to Dysfunction Junction the wilderness has no intrinsic therapeutic value at all. He read some books and because some folks said this he felt, well what the hay it fits into my mind set.
DJ your a bigger freaking clown then I ever thought you could be, your off somewhere right now blazing across a universe no one knows about. Maybe it is called "Extremista". Ya know there is no rational reason to your posts anymore, your just spewing hate.
Wilderness has no value, DJ next time your in the Catskills, I want you to sit on the highest point from just before sun up on the first day and just after sun up on the second day and if you are not impacted by the therapeutic value of this, well then I don't know what to say. Find a ocean and sit quietly for hours, go to Montana and see feel the big sky ....ect.
Title: Re: Wilderness Programs Kill Kids
Post by: DannyB II on July 22, 2010, 11:37:17 PM
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
I found this article very interesting.  And deeply disturbing.  Just goes to show that the marketing spin is vastly different from the harsh realities these kids face when left alone in the wilderness with untrained and often sadistic program staff...

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Media Release - Sheriff recommends death be identified a homicide at Sagewalk (OR, Sagewalk)
Tuesday, March 30 2010 Deputy Sheriff Chuck Pore    .

The Lake County Sheriff's Office has concluded its primary investigation into the death of Sergey Blashchishen in northern Lake County on August 28th, 2009.


Sergey was attending SageWalk The Wilderness School when he died while participating in his first program hike. Findings, investigative opinions, and recommendations have been prepared in a criminal investigations report.

This report will now shortly be submitted to the Lake County District Attorney. Any recommendations of the report, including any recommendations for prosecution, are not binding on the District Attorney. Due to the size and complexity of the investigation and the report itself, it is not expected that any District Attorney opinion or charging decision will be forthcoming for a period of time.

Although the Department of Human Services Office of Investigations and Training conducted much of their investigation in cooperation with the Lake County Sheriff's Office, the separate investigations have separate responsibilities. The report of the State Medical Examiner has not been released. It is not expected that the findings of either DHS or the ME will be in conflict with the Sheriff's Office conclusions, but that when released, their findings will be based upon the mission and parameters of the respective agency. Additional support was provided during this investigation by the Oregon State Police, the Deschutes County Sheriff's Office, and the United States Bureau of Land Management. The Lake County Sheriff's Office is grateful to all persons, named and unnamed, who have contributed their assistance during this investigation.

Deputy Sheriff Chuck Poré has been the primary case investigator for the Lake County Sheriff's Office and is the report author. This investigation has included interviews of persons who were on the hike with Sergey Blashchishen and witnessed the incident and his death; interview of persons not on the hike but familiar with the program practices and procedures; and review of hundreds of documents from the Aspen Education Group and SageWalk The Wilderness School program. The investigation of the Lake County Sheriff's Office has made a recommendation that the manner of Sergey Blashchishen's death be identified as a homicide.[/i]

The prosecution of criminal charges have been recommended for the corporations responsible for the program which resulted in Sergey's death. At the time of his death, Sergey was on a program hike administered by several corporate employees known as field instructors. Although most were medically trained, investigation identified issues which may have brought medical practices into conflict with program practices, and this conflict having a significant impact on Sergey Blashchishen's death.

No recommendation has been made in the cases of the individual field instructors but a District Attorney review has been requested. The media patience extended during the course of this investigation has been admirable. It is asked that you continue the same courtesy to the Office of the District Attorney as the District Attorney begins this next part of the investigation.

 :suicide:  :poison:  :eek:


WOW for the one hundredth time were going to post this, ya it looks so much more sensational when you throw in "murder" DJ. I wonder if anyone was ever charged for murder?? Just asking.
Title: Re: Wilderness: the answer for some troubled teens
Post by: Troll Control on July 23, 2010, 09:59:12 AM
The sheriff recommended the death be ruled a "homicide."  Do you know what a "homicide" is, Danny?  It's a murder.  The sheriff characterized this kid's painful and avoidable death as murder.  It was referred to the DA as a murder.  

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homicide, def. - "the killing of a human being by another human being"

Aspen Education programs murder kids and Sergey probably won't be the last of them.  

First you apologize for child abusers, now you apologize for murderers.  How low can you go, Danny?  How low?  Killing in the name of therapy, Danny?  That seems right to you somehow?  

Sending a kid to an Aspen program for "treatment" is like fucking for virginity.  It's anathema, Danny.  Pure anathema.
Title: Re: Wilderness: the answer for some troubled teens
Post by: Whooter on July 23, 2010, 10:11:46 AM
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
The sheriff recommended the death be ruled a "homicide."  Do you know what a "homicide" is, Danny?  It's a murder.  The sheriff characterized this kid's painful and avoidable death as murder.  It was referred to the DA as a murder.  

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homicide, def. - "the killing of a human being by another human being"

Aspen Education programs murder kids and Sergey probably won't be the last of them.  

First you apologize for child abusers, now you apologize for murderers.  How low can you go, Danny?  How low?  Killing in the name of therapy, Danny?  That seems right to you somehow?  

Sending a kid to an Aspen program for "treatment" is like fucking for virginity.  It's anathema, Danny.  Pure anathema.


Referred as,  recommended, characterized… they are all descriptive words but what was the outcome?  What was determined?
Were people charged and convicted for murder?

We should try to view the facts, if we can, before concluding anything.



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Title: Re: Wilderness: the answer for some troubled teens
Post by: SUCK IT on July 23, 2010, 10:28:15 AM
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"

Sending a kid to an Aspen program for "treatment" is like fucking for virginity.

Such vivid and colorful imagery, when talking about children no less. Dysfunction is showing his master he is willing to become a full member of the cult by adopting the harsh and disgusting langauge of the fornits cult. This is why you see dysfunction posting such phrases as the one quoted above, and claiming that all treatment programs "rape, mindfuck and murder children". How many children did you "mindfuck" dysfunction, did they pay you well for it? I'm sure your admin cult leader will give you a gold star for using the approved of terminology here, you can put the gold star on your shotgun!
Title: Re: Wilderness: the answer for some troubled teens
Post by: Troll Control on July 23, 2010, 10:59:00 AM
I think there's a car at the drive thruough, SUCK IT.  They're going to need "some fries with that."  Get on it, boy.  Or did you lose that job already?  Don't worry, your unaccredited, self-serve program education ought to qualify you to work any drive through you want.

Funny how you and Whooter both said your goodbyes, told us you wouldn't be back, but couldn't keep your word and came right back anyway.  The term "sockpuppet" comes to mind. :roflmao:
Title: Re: Wilderness: the answer for some troubled teens
Post by: Troll Control on July 23, 2010, 11:06:03 AM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
The sheriff recommended the death be ruled a "homicide."  Do you know what a "homicide" is, Danny?  It's a murder.  The sheriff characterized this kid's painful and avoidable death as murder.  It was referred to the DA as a murder.  

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homicide, def. - "the killing of a human being by another human being"

Aspen Education programs murder kids and Sergey probably won't be the last of them.  

First you apologize for child abusers, now you apologize for murderers.  How low can you go, Danny?  How low?  Killing in the name of therapy, Danny?  That seems right to you somehow?  

Sending a kid to an Aspen program for "treatment" is like fucking for virginity.  It's anathema, Danny.  Pure anathema.


Referred as,  recommended, characterized… they are all descriptive words but what was the outcome?  What was determined?
Were people charged and convicted for murder?

We should try to view the facts, if we can, before concluding anything.



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It was sourced straight from the news article.

Once more, the case has been referred to the DA as a homicide.  The wheels of justice grind slowly, so we'll just have to wait and see how it shakes out.  But, as we all know, police don't just charge people with homicide for nothing.  

This boy was tragically killed by Aspen staff.  They may end up being charged with "negligent homicide" or some lower crime, but the fact is that they killed this boy.  Nobody disputes that.  They frittered and sat on their hands while he died and failed to call for help until it was too late and he was dead.
Title: Re: Wilderness: the answer for some troubled teens
Post by: Troll Control on July 23, 2010, 11:20:06 AM
More on Aspen programs killing kids:

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The Aspen Education Group has come under fire for the deaths of two teens at its treatment camps -- and momlogic is on the scene.

Gina Kaysen Fernandes: momlogic's investigative reporting on the troubled-teen industry helped jumpstart a homicide investigation involving one of the nation's largest treatment providers for kids in crisis.

The Lake County Sheriff's department has recommended that the District Attorney file manslaughter charges against an Oregon wilderness camp and its parent company, Aspen Education Group.

The pending charges stem from the death of 16-year-old Sergey Blashchishen, who collapsed and died during his first day at SageWalk Wilderness Camp. Investigators say that the circumstances surrounding Sergey's death are strikingly similar to what happened to Matthew Meyer, who died at an Aspen Education-owned camp in Texas. momlogic covered Matthew's story last year, revealing how inadequately trained and ill-equipped counselors failed to recognize the teen's dire condition until it was too late.

The lead investigator -- who combed through evidence surrounding Sergey's death -- believes that momlogic's story helped connect the dots. "Matthew's case plays a very significant role in this investigation," says Sheriff's Deputy Chuck Pore. "The article initiated a process of researching what happened to Sergey."

The Sheriff's Department's investigation has revealed that while hiking in extreme heat, both Matthew and Sergey complained of exhaustion and feeling dizzy. Despite evidence of overheating, the boys' conditions were dismissed and brushed off by staff members. When each child passed out from heat exhaustion, the staff was slow to contact emergency medical personnel. Both teens died of a severe form of heatstroke known as "hyperthermia."



Read more: http://www.momlogic.com/2010/04/trouble ... z0uWDOQyDz (http://www.momlogic.com/2010/04/troubled_teens_death_possible_homicide_charges.php#ixzz0uWDOQyDz)
Title: Re: Wilderness: the answer for some troubled teens
Post by: Whooter on July 23, 2010, 01:31:27 PM
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
The sheriff recommended the death be ruled a "homicide."  Do you know what a "homicide" is, Danny?  It's a murder.  The sheriff characterized this kid's painful and avoidable death as murder.  It was referred to the DA as a murder.  

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homicide, def. - "the killing of a human being by another human being"

Aspen Education programs murder kids and Sergey probably won't be the last of them.  

First you apologize for child abusers, now you apologize for murderers.  How low can you go, Danny?  How low?  Killing in the name of therapy, Danny?  That seems right to you somehow?  

Sending a kid to an Aspen program for "treatment" is like fucking for virginity.  It's anathema, Danny.  Pure anathema.


Referred as,  recommended, characterized… they are all descriptive words but what was the outcome?  What was determined?
Were people charged and convicted for murder?

We should try to view the facts, if we can, before concluding anything.



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It was sourced straight from the news article.

Once more, the case has been referred to the DA as a homicide.  The wheels of justice grind slowly, so we'll just have to wait and see how it shakes out.  But, as we all know, police don't just charge people with homicide for nothing.  

This boy was tragically killed by Aspen staff.  They may end up being charged with "negligent homicide" or some lower crime, but the fact is that they killed this boy.  Nobody disputes that.  They frittered and sat on their hands while he died and failed to call for help until it was too late and he was dead.

or it could be accidental death.  But we wont know until the trial is over.  If we all just took the newspapers view we wouldn't need a justice system.

so I agree we will have to wait to see how it shakes out.



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Title: Re: Wilderness: the answer for some troubled teens
Post by: Troll Control on July 24, 2010, 08:22:41 AM
Accidental?  Noooo...no way.  Kid was force-marched in the desert with an 80lb pack until he collapsed, then staff dithered around calling him a "faker."  By the time they got scared enough to call for help, he was dead.  That's no accident, Whooter, and you know it.  

Especially considering this was the second time in less than a year an Aspen program killed a kid this way.  It's no accident.  It's their standard operating procedure.
Title: Re: Wilderness: the answer for some troubled teens
Post by: Froderik on July 24, 2010, 10:42:19 AM
Quote from: "SUCK IT"
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"

Sending a kid to an Aspen program for "treatment" is like fucking for virginity.

Such vivid and colorful imagery, when talking about children no less. Dysfunction is showing his master he is willing to become a full member of the cult by adopting the harsh and disgusting langauge of the fornits cult. This is why you see dysfunction posting such phrases as the one quoted above, and claiming that all treatment programs "rape, mindfuck and murder children". How many children did you "mindfuck" dysfunction, did they pay you well for it? I'm sure your admin cult leader will give you a gold star for using the approved of terminology here, you can put the gold star on your shotgun!

Gimme a fuckin' break...  ::)
Title: Re: Wilderness: the answer for some troubled teens
Post by: Froderik on July 24, 2010, 10:43:31 AM
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
Accidental?  Noooo...no way.  Kid was force-marched in the desert with an 80lb pack until he collapsed, then staff dithered around calling him a "faker."  By the time they got scared enough to call for help, he was dead.  That's no accident, Whooter, and you know it.  

Especially considering this was the second time in less than a year an Aspen program killed a kid this way.  It's no accident.  It's their standard operating procedure.
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Title: Re: Wilderness: the answer for some troubled teens
Post by: Whooter on July 24, 2010, 03:12:40 PM
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
Accidental?  Noooo...no way.  Kid was force-marched in the desert with an 80lb pack until he collapsed, then staff dithered around calling him a "faker."  By the time they got scared enough to call for help, he was dead.  That's no accident, Whooter, and you know it.  

Especially considering this was the second time in less than a year an Aspen program killed a kid this way.  It's no accident.  It's their standard operating procedure.


So you can see my point.  One person can say murder and another can say it was an accident, someone else could say it was premeditated, some could say it was a crafty suicide.  But we wont know until after the trial is complete.



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Title: Re: Wilderness: the answer for some troubled teens
Post by: Whooter on July 24, 2010, 05:55:24 PM
Harper, N. & Cooley, R. (2007).  Parental reports of adolescent and family well-being following a wilderness therapy intervention: An exploratory look at systemic change.  Journal of Experiential Education, 29(3), 393-396.

In a longitudinal study conducted in 2001 that involved 252 adolescents participating in a 21 day wilderness therapy program for treatment of emotional and behavioral problems, as well as substance use issues, results showed major improvements in areas such as parent-child communication, anger management, and substance use.  In the 12 month follow-up after the adolescents had completed the course scores showed improvements had been maintained.



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