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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: anonAARCgrad on March 29, 2009, 09:38:21 PM
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This happens right after the government passes a law banning the practice of giving double time served credit (sometimes triple). This guy now has no reason to hang around in Remand.
Date set for plea in drug killing
Calgary HeraldMarch 21, 2009
A 24-year-old man charged with first-degree murder for a late-night, drug-related shooting nearly three years ago is expected to resolve his case without a trial.
Lawyer David Chow set an April 14 date for plea for Cody William bates during Queen's bench criminal appearance court on Friday.
Bates was scheduled to face a four-week jury trial starting Sept. 14, along with co-accused Jason Malin Woods, in the death of Ali Khamis, 30. Khamis died from a single gunshot fired at close range just before midnight June 6, 2006. Woods, 21, is charged with manslaughter.
A third suspect, Justin Gittens, 26, was arrested a year later in connection with the same slaying. He was charged with manslaughter, robbery and possession of a prohibited weapon.
Khamis was found slumped behind the wheel of his Ford Mustang parked outside the shawnessy Community association in the city's south end. He had been shot once.
© Copyright (c) The Calgary Herald
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Woods and Bates are reputed to have confessed their roles in the murder to AARC staff after going back into AARC. When O'Flynn killed the fellow with her car, after fleeing the scene and attempting to fake the theft of the vehicle involved in the death, she also hid out in AARC. Some very curious things also occurred after Andy Evans killed the woman in British Columbia. He immediately bolted for Calgary. Did he end up back in AARC prior to turning himself in? Somebody put the Vancouver press onto Evans, reporting on the absolutely bizarre AARColyte response to the disgraceful murder. AARColytes were professing their love for Evans on Facebook, and the Van press somehow knew about it. I was in communication with the reporter who first wrote about the freakshow. She left Vancouver very soon after, and although acknowledged that someone wanted damage control done in the Evans case, she would not say where the pressure was coming from.
As the Wiz can be counted on to cover up any episode that will shed a bad light on All About Receiving Cash, AARColytes gone wild know that AARC will run interference with the police until the bad publicity can be managed.
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Some very curious things also occurred after Andy Evans killed the woman in British Columbia. He immediately bolted for Calgary. Did he end up back in AARC prior to turning himself in?
He did.
Evans, Bates, Woods, O'Flynn, even Newson, Mazur, all those who took their own lives, the life of someone else or God only knows what else that we've never heard about are the oldcomers, and junior and senior staff that AARC uses to not only supervise but treat current clients.
Very scary.
Also disturbing is that youth are realizing if they claim to be an addict and join AARC they will get help with a lighter sentence.
Bring on the drug court!
:moon: :-*
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Death of dealer after shot in face accidental, court hears
By KEVIN MARTIN, Sun Media
The shotgun slaying of a Calgary drug dealer was the result of a botched robbery during a territorial dispute, court heard today.
Cody William Bates pleaded guilty to a reduced charge of manslaughter with a firearm after another individual came forward and admitted being the gunman who shot Ali Khamis, the Crown said.
Prosecutor Vicki Faulkner, reading from an agreed statement of facts, said although Bates initially told undercover cops he had slain Khamis as part of a planned murder, the confession was a false one.
And outside court, defence lawyer David Chow said the untrue admission during what he called a job interview with a criminal organization, illustrates the flaws in so-called “Mr. Big” operations.
“That ... highlights the dangers of these Mr. Big operations, which are effectively operations where undercover officers pose as members of a criminal organization,” Chow said.
“It’s like a criminal job interview in a sense,” he said.
“Mr. Bates provided a full confession which amounted to a first-degree murder, when in fact that is not what happened.”
Faulkner told Justice Neil Wittmann that Bates was charged with first-degree murder after telling the undercover officers he had gone to rob Khamis with the intention of killing him as well.
Investigators later learned another individual who was assisting Bates in the robbery accidentally killed the victim while pulling a sawed-off shotgun from his sleeve.
The cocked weapon unintentionally discharged, striking Khamis in the face from close range, Faulkner said.
Bates and two others decided to rob Khamis as part of a territorial dispute between the drug dealers in the city’s Shawnessy area.
Khamis was lured to the parking lot of the Shawnessy community centre where one of the robbers bought crack cocaine from him before Bates and his other accomplice approached, Faulkner said.
Bates had decided to rob Khamis, 31, after learning the victim was going to do the same to him.
At Chow’s request, Wittmann ordered a forensic report on Bates which will include a psychological assessment and a determination of his future risk.
Bates, who remains in custody, will be sentenced on June 15.
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Woods and Bates are reputed to have confessed their roles in the murder to AARC staff after going back into AARC. When O'Flynn killed the fellow with her car, after fleeing the scene and attempting to fake the theft of the vehicle involved in the death, she also hid out in AARC. Some very curious things also occurred after Andy Evans killed the woman in British Columbia. He immediately bolted for Calgary. Did he end up back in AARC prior to turning himself in? Somebody put the Vancouver press onto Evans, reporting on the absolutely bizarre AARColyte response to the disgraceful murder. AARColytes were professing their love for Evans on Facebook, and the Van press somehow knew about it. I was in communication with the reporter who first wrote about the freakshow. She left Vancouver very soon after, and although acknowledged that someone wanted damage control done in the Evans case, she would not say where the pressure was coming from.
As the Wiz can be counted on to cover up any episode that will shed a bad light on All About Receiving Cash, AARColytes gone wild know that AARC will run interference with the police until the bad publicity can be managed.
My guess is that it was drug related. Usually is. This would be good information and an example to those at AARC who have not yet graduated on the risks of going back to that life style. Might give them that added incentive to stay clean upon leaving.
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At Chow’s request, Wittmann ordered a forensic report on Bates which will include a psychological assessment and a determination of his future risk.
Maybe Bates can use his "treatment" as a defence?
Interesting how many "graduates" have far worse behaviour after treatment.
Prior to graduation I'm sure Bates was an oldcomer, bringing home newcomers to his house and left in control over these newcomers.
He was possibly a hired peer counselor or even staff.
This is who rehabilitates kids in AARC. Think about it.
:poison:
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Drug dealer admits to killing rival
Calgary HeraldJune 23, 2009 2:01 AM
A man who faced a first-degree murder charge for the shooting death of a fellow drug dealer in a territorial dispute could now be free in less than five years.
Cody William Bates, 24, was sentenced to 81/2 years in prison on Monday, two months after he pleaded guilty to manslaughter.
He admitted killing Ali Khamis outside the Shawnessy Community Association on June 6, 2006.
Justice Neil Wittmann noted Bates had initiated the events that led to Khamis's death.
Khamis recruited two others in what turned into a botched robbery, telling one he did not like the fact Bates was selling drugs on his southwest turf.
Court heard that one of the other men was holding a sawed-off shotgun when it accidentally went off, killing Khamis.
"The fact there has been a significant rise in homicides with firearms in Calgary is aggravating," said Wittmann.
"But as the defence argued, the discharge was accidental. There was no intent to shoot the victim."
Wittmann gave him double credit for 21 months spent in custody since his arrest, reducing time to be served to five years.
The judge noted Bates was subject to a 10-year firearms prohibition from previous convictions.
The gunman, Justin Gittens, pleaded guilty to manslaughter and will be sentenced in September.
An alleged accomplice, Jason Woods, faces trial in September.
If convicted of first-degree murder, Bates faced a life sentence with no parole for 25 years.
© Copyright (c) The Calgary Herald
http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Drug+ ... story.html (http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Drug+dealer+admits+killing+rival/1723373/story.html)
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This whole event has amazed me from the beginning. These poor people, lives lost, futures destroyed. I am sure they (the courts)will take into consideration that he sought treatment in the past and was instrumental in helping others overcome addiction by overseeing their sobriety. One could only imagine how far this guy would have strayed without any intervention in his life at all.
The courts would also have to look at the success overall of AARC graduates vs other treatment facilities (or no treatment at all) to see that Bates was definitely the exception and that most graduates are living a safe and healthy life.
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This whole event has amazed me from the beginning. These poor people, lives lost, futures destroyed. I am sure they (the courts)will take into consideration that he sought treatment in the past and was instrumental in helping others overcome addiction by overseeing their sobriety. One could only imagine how far this guy would have strayed without any intervention in his life at all.
The courts would also have to look at the success overall of AARC graduates vs other treatment facilities (or no treatment at all) to see that Bates was definitely the exception and that most graduates are living a safe and healthy life.
::puke::
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Another AARC success story.
The question everyone should be asking is did AARC's experimental, unproven brainwashing techniques drive this kid to enter a more dangerous lifestyle and to murder someone?
I'm sure Dean Vause's position will be that "we can't save all the druggies". You know, the age old: claim the good behavior for the program, blame the bad behavior on the druggie kid, program mentality.
Ah, it must be nice for Vausy to have no basis whatsoever for being held accountable in the drug addiction/CULT business.
If any of you who have been in AARC get the time, watch this movie about a program in the 80's and compare the outside view a parent would have to that in AARC, Someone else posted it here on Fornits and I found it very interesting in comparison to my KHK experience:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... d%22&hl=en (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4468346262067423147&ei=HZpCStSoEpawqQKelfmKBg&q=%22not+my+kid%22&hl=en)
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Well you seethe problem is that he strayed from AARC.While he was in AARC "His disease was outside doing push ups". So since his disease became so much stronger by the time he strayed from AARC the inevitable happened which is that he ended up "deadinsaneor - in jail!"
See? If you ever stray from AARC that's what happens. Case proven.
And that is how Open Meeting will start out...
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Well you seethe problem is that he strayed from AARC.While he was in AARC "His disease was outside doing push ups". So since his disease became so much stronger by the time he strayed from AARC the inevitable happened which is that he ended up "deadinsaneor - in jail!"
See? If you ever stray from AARC that's what happens. Case proven.
And that is how Open Meeting will start out...
Outside doing push-ups....:) CLASSIC
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The disease is an entity quite separate from the individual in AARC. Thus, in spite of months of continuous application of AARC's methods, while the individual has recovered, the disease increases it's power and can thus overcome the fully AARCified subject. The best one can hope for is that the disease, content to sit upon it's laurels, or perhaps depressed, neglects it's training regiment and becomes flabby and slow. Science is mind-blowing.
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From: http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Drug+ ... story.html (http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Drug+dealer+admits+killing+rival/1723373/story.html)
An alleged accomplice, Jason Woods, faces trial in September.
Any news?
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No news as yet. Woods is only up on a manslaughter beef now. The Miracle of most interest is former AARC staff member Andrew Evans. Evans is accused of murder in British Columbia. He jetted back to AARC and turned himself in to Calgary Police. The AARColytes immediately jumped on Facebook to profess their love for the alleged murderer. The victim was a prostitute, one of the most vulnerable members of our society and an ideally weak victim. The bizarro cult Facebook deluge was publicized in the papers in Vancouver. The AARColytes quickly kiboshed this campaign, as it doesn't look good for the flock to let slip their belief that their "disease" is responsible when one of them short-circuits and kills somebody. Andy's Dad Roy is still in the saddle, making columns of figures in the Cash-grab Wind Tunnel.
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The victim was a prostitute, one of the most vulnerable members of our society and an ideally weak victim.
Actually prostitutes can be very dangerous. They are sometimes accompanied by a pimp or male friend who have intentions to rob you or worse. You should be prepared to defend yourself and not go into a situation unless you are prepared, they are very street wise. As far as vulnerability, I would disagree with you there also, I would rate the weakest and most vulnerable as the elderly and young children.
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Actually, your statement is ridiculous JD. Vast numbers of sex workers are murdered in North America, vast numbers of sex workers do not murder people in North America. Do you use self-defense as an excuse JD when you beat up hookers? Nothing in the above post said that prostitutes were more vulnerable than the elderly and young children.
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Actually, your statement is ridiculous JD. Vast numbers of sex workers are murdered in North America, vast numbers of sex workers do not murder people in North America. Do you use self-defense as an excuse JD when you beat up hookers? Nothing in the above post said that prostitutes were more vulnerable than the elderly and young children.
Actually very few prostitutes are murdered here in North America compared with the number of Johns who are beat up, robbed and some killed themselves. You have it reveresed again. The primary dangers of prostitution are the transmittal of deseases. You should try to look things up before posting them.
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Actually, vast numbers of prostitutes are killed. Individuals like your kindred spirit gary Ridgway killed a few dozen, all by his lonesome. Willie Pickton, another one of your bro's, also killed several dozen prostitutes in Canada. They're easy targets JD, right up your alley.
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Actually, vast numbers of prostitutes are killed. Individuals like your kindred spirit gary Ridgway killed a few dozen, all by his lonesome. Willie Pickton, another one of your bro's, also killed several dozen prostitutes in Canada. They're easy targets JD, right up your alley.
You named 2 instances, look at the thousands killed by deseases, robbed by the pimps and murdered by them. You are not even close.
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No doubt JD, threre are a lot of prostitutes murdered by pimps. I'll give you that.
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Now what you're trying to do here JD, is obscure the post related to the AARC staffer who killed the hooker. This man was given charge of vulnerable teens, and there are allegations of violence against AARC clients during their stay in AARC. It is an example of the dangerous situation people are placed in via unregulated unmonitored amateur "recovery" programs. It's important to you that you sidetrack any discussion of this, because every time one of these program is exposed as dangerous, it undermines your position as a program shill, and someone who sacrificed their own child to the industry. But JD, you can't hide this stuff. You can put as many posts as you want up to bury the original information, but it will just get reposted.
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Now what you're trying to do here JD, is obscure the post related to the AARC staffer who killed the hooker. This man was given charge of vulnerable teens, and there are allegations of violence against AARC clients during their stay in AARC. It is an example of the dangerous situation people are placed in via unregulated unmonitored amateur "recovery" programs. It's important to you that you sidetrack any discussion of this, because every time one of these program is exposed as dangerous, it undermines your position as a program shill, and someone who sacrificed their own child to the industry. But JD, you can't hide this stuff. You can put as many posts as you want up to bury the original information, but it will just get reposted.
I havent tried to hide anything, Ajax, dont be paranoid. The readers will read your post before they get to my comments. I was just correcting you on some of your facts. You need to be more careful of what you say. Another thing to do is try to back your stats up with links to credible sources. That may keepme away more often than not.
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Now what you're trying to do here JD, is obscure the post related to the AARC staffer who killed the hooker. This man was given charge of vulnerable teens, and there are allegations of violence against AARC clients during their stay in AARC. It is an example of the dangerous situation people are placed in via unregulated unmonitored amateur "recovery" programs. It's important to you that you sidetrack any discussion of this, because every time one of these program is exposed as dangerous, it undermines your position as a program shill, and someone who sacrificed their own child to the industry. But JD, you can't hide this stuff. You can put as many posts as you want up to bury the original information, but it will just get reposted.
theIt (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php) combines evil and absurd in a particularly flesh crawling way. Why call TheIt "JD," though? Isn't theit this guy?
http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Reuben_J ... 2.aspxJohn (http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Reuben_John_713946382.aspxJohn) Reuben: ZoomInfo Business People Information(March 21, 2007) John David Reuben, Chairman/ Founder of Saving Teens In Crisis Collaborative (STICC), Sudbury, MA, 877-249-1336
(It makes sense. Killing your own kid through paying Academy at Swift River and SUWS to torture him, could make a person as deranged as theWho clearly is. I wonder if his absurd contention that hookers violently assault their exploiters in "far greater numbers" than there are instances of assault on prostitutes comes from a personal transaction with a prostitute gone awry. One can hope.)
Pie in the sky, but have you considered suing theit? Surely recommending a (non existent) facility while pretending to be an AARC insider constitutes fraud of some kind. Seriously. You've a 2 year window, or so. Look into it.
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Now what you're trying to do here JD, is obscure the post related to the AARC staffer who killed the hooker. This man was given charge of vulnerable teens, and there are allegations of violence against AARC clients during their stay in AARC. It is an example of the dangerous situation people are placed in via unregulated unmonitored amateur "recovery" programs. It's important to you that you sidetrack any discussion of this, because every time one of these program is exposed as dangerous, it undermines your position as a program shill, and someone who sacrificed their own child to the industry. But JD, you can't hide this stuff. You can put as many posts as you want up to bury the original information, but it will just get reposted.
theIt (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php) combines evil and absurd in a particularly flesh crawling way. Why call TheIt "JD," though? Isn't theit this guy?
http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Reuben_J ... 2.aspxJohn (http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Reuben_John_713946382.aspxJohn) Reuben: ZoomInfo Business People Information(March 21, 2007) John David Reuben, Chairman/ Founder of Saving Teens In Crisis Collaborative (STICC), Sudbury, MA, 877-249-1336
(It makes sense. Killing your own kid through paying Academy at Swift River and SUWS to torture him, could make a person as deranged as theWho clearly is. I wonder if his absurd contention that hookers violently assault their exploiters in "far greater numbers" than there are instances of assault on prostitutes comes from a personal transaction with a prostitute gone awry. One can hope.)
Pie in the sky, but have you considered suing theit? Surely recommending a (non existent) facility while pretending to be an AARC insider constitutes fraud of some kind. Seriously. You've a 2 year window, or so. Look into it.
Calling me JD, I think, refers to “John David”. Ajax and another guy named Bruce who also posts here and a few others use it because it gives themselves the impression or the feeling that they know my identity which gives them a leg-up in their own eyes, and the self realized advantage in the conversation which they seek. Having a conversation, sharing information or debating specific issues is not satisfying to them because they are not interested in learning something new or improving themselves. Ajax proved this time and time again, specifically with AARC's Statistical release. They seek to “own” someone (to take from their own vernacular) which takes on a higher importance than the conversation itself to them.
If you follow their posts Ajax13 is in a constant struggle to place himself above all those in AARC by giving them all nicknames which are intended to humiliate them, scarlett letter style. The content and accuracy of his posts are secondary as long as he can ridicule. This seems to be a good release for him.
Bruce is in constant search for someone to harass to try to define his worth her on fornits. He too isn’t really interested in engaging in conversation or the pursuit of gaining knowledge. Since he doesn’t have much experience as a survivor he seeks to fit in by asking repeated stock questions which gives himself the false feeling of being superior. This works for him very well.
…and yourself as well. If you can convince yourself that I killed my wife and kids then you can dismiss my posts and easily feel like you are better than I am which makes you feel good. If it didn’t make you feel good than you would not continue.
All in all I think it is a good thing. The main thing is that it keeps you happy in your false realities and enable to keep the conversation moving along. No harm is done because none of us really know each other and the lap tops can be turned off at the end of the night…. And all is well.
So please don’t take any of it to heart… whether you think I am theit, thewho, John Rueben, Peter Strauss, Alan Newman, etc. The important thing is we are having a great conversation on very important topics and this is going a long way in helping the readers decide about the ever evolving industry.
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No news as yet. Woods is only up on a manslaughter beef now. The Miracle of most interest is former AARC staff member Andrew Evans. Evans is accused of murder in British Columbia. He jetted back to AARC and turned himself in to Calgary Police. The AARColytes immediately jumped on Facebook to profess their love for the alleged murderer. The victim was a prostitute, one of the most vulnerable members of our society and an ideally weak victim. The bizarro cult Facebook deluge was publicized in the papers in Vancouver. The AARColytes quickly kiboshed this campaign, as it doesn't look good for the flock to let slip their belief that their "disease" is responsible when one of them short-circuits and kills somebody. Andy's Dad Roy is still in the saddle, making columns of figures in the Cash-grab Wind Tunnel.
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The victim was a prostitute, one of the most vulnerable members of our society and an ideally weak victim.
Actually prostitutes can be very dangerous. They are sometimes accompanied by a pimp or male friend who have intentions to rob you or worse. You should be prepared to defend yourself and not go into a situation unless you are prepared, they are very street wise. As far as vulnerability, I would disagree with you there also, I would rate the weakest and most vulnerable as the elderly and young children.
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The victim was a prostitute, one of the most vulnerable members of our society and an ideally weak victim.
Actually prostitutes can be very dangerous. They are sometimes accompanied by a pimp or male friend who have intentions to rob you or worse. You should be prepared to defend yourself and not go into a situation unless you are prepared, they are very street wise. As far as vulnerability, I would disagree with you there also, I would rate the weakest and most vulnerable as the elderly and young children.
"Prostitutes, who have been shown to be by far the most at risk female group for homicide"
http://www.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_a ... index.html (http://www.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/2/0/0/5/0/p200504_index.html)
TheWho, aka John David Reuben, Chairman/ Founder of Saving Teens In Crisis Collaborative (STICC), Sudbury, MA, 877-249-1336(?): ever ready to lie, to the most absurd extent imaginable, to promote "programs," or just to harrass victims of torture and those who love them. What a guy!
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The victim was a prostitute, one of the most vulnerable members of our society and an ideally weak victim.
Actually prostitutes can be very dangerous. They are sometimes accompanied by a pimp or male friend who have intentions to rob you or worse. You should be prepared to defend yourself and not go into a situation unless you are prepared, they are very street wise. As far as vulnerability, I would disagree with you there also, I would rate the weakest and most vulnerable as the elderly and young children.
"Prostitutes, who have been shown to be by far the most at risk female group for homicide"
http://www.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_a ... index.html (http://www.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/2/0/0/5/0/p200504_index.html)
TheWho, aka John David Reuben, Chairman/ Founder of Saving Teens In Crisis Collaborative (STICC), Sudbury, MA, 877-249-1336(?): ever ready to lie, to the most absurd extent imaginable, to promote "programs," or just to harrass victims of torture and those who love them. What a guy!
If you choose subsets like serial killings (like you have chosen) or spousal killings or murder of passion or discrimination, hate crimes etc. then the results would differ depending on the group you choose. But overall , as far as vulnerability, I would have to disagree with you, I would rate the weakest and most vulnerable as the elderly and young children. Prostitutes are much more prepared to defend themselves then children or the elderly.
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harrass victims of torture and those who love them. What a guy!
Who is the victim of torture that I am harassing? Ha,Ha,Ha Were you waterboarded by any chance or just forced to do your homework and clean your room?
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It's not going away JD, and your kid isn't coming back.
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It's not going away JD, and your kid isn't coming back.
Even if we both agreed we wanted it to go away it wouldnt. As long as there are people who need help with their addictions and kids who are at-risk there are going to be programs and places like AARC.
You cant wish them away, Ajax
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They don't get wished away JD. In some cases they get sued out of existence, in other cases they are shut down by regulatory authorities, sometimes those who were subjected to the quackery inherent in these operations are able to reveal the reality of the programs to prospective parents, and in other instances bad publicity generated by journalistic investigations and protests eliminates the demand for these scams.
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The victim was a prostitute, one of the most vulnerable members of our society and an ideally weak victim.
Actually prostitutes can be very dangerous. They are sometimes accompanied by a pimp or male friend who have intentions to rob you or worse. You should be prepared to defend yourself and not go into a situation unless you are prepared, they are very street wise. As far as vulnerability, I would disagree with you there also, I would rate the weakest and most vulnerable as the elderly and young children.
"Prostitutes, who have been shown to be by far the most at risk female group for homicide"
http://www.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_a ... index.html (http://www.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/2/0/0/5/0/p200504_index.html)
TheWho, aka John David Reuben, Chairman/ Founder of Saving Teens In Crisis Collaborative (STICC), Sudbury, MA, 877-249-1336(?): ever ready to lie, to the most absurd extent imaginable, to promote "programs," or just to harrass victims of torture and those who love them. What a guy!
If you choose subsets like serial killings (like you have chosen) or spousal killings or murder of passion or discrimination, hate crimes etc. then the results would differ depending on the group you choose. But overall , as far as vulnerability, I would have to disagree with you, I would rate the weakest and most vulnerable as the elderly and young children. Prostitutes are much more prepared to defend themselves then children or the elderly.
Prostitutes are a subset which is one of the most vulnerable to all sorts of abuses, as said Ajax
“They are among the most vulnerable people in our society.”
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/crime-vict ... stitution/ (http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/crime-victims/reducing-crime/prostitution/)
Your rl identity will be tied to you shameful antics here and you will be destroyed.You’re a dishonest, pathetic torture promoter that haunts fornits day and night that plays internet games with the tatters of victims’ bodies.
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“They are among the most vulnerable people in our society.”
They may be among the most vulnerable, but I believe kids and the elderly are more vulnerable.
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Dead JD, and you killed him.
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“They are among the most vulnerable people in our society.”
They may be among the most vulnerable, but I believe kids and the elderly are more vulnerable.
Not kids with AK47's....they're not so vulnerable, are they? Nor are the little ones skilled in the fine art of making pipe-bombs. Best steer clear of them. These goddamn druggie kids will stop at nothing -- human sacrifice, toxic-shit-hurling, public strangulation and excessive knifings, not to mention some other really violent stuff we'd rather not discuss here. No need to get that graphic on this forum.
On the other hand, in a world of repressed emotions it can sometimes be quite liberating to express those emotions physically. Kids will be kids, after all. A lot of druggie kids fly off the handle like that and go fucking berserk....it scares me to think about this, it really does.
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Not kids with AK47's....they're not so vulnerable, are they? Nor are the little ones skilled in the fine art of making pipe-bombs. Best steer clear of them. These goddamn druggie kids will stop at nothing
My grampa keeps a sawwed-off shotgun by the door..he gets lickered up 'n shoots folks, sometimes.
Serves 'em right, tho.
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Dont forget old woman with Automatic weapons!! Ha,Ha,Ha
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Woods has pled guilt to manslaughter, his sentencing is this month. He should be roaming free to rob and kill again - and attend open meeting - in about 2 years.
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ti aarcThe lawyer for a man accused in the murder of a woman in a Kitsilano massage parlor admitted Tuesday that his client was responsible for choking his victim to death.
Calling it a “tragic case,” Peter Wilson, who represents Andrew William Evans, the man charged with the second-degree murder of Nicole Parisien, questioned whether there was enough intent for murder.
“At the end of the day, you’ll have to decide whether he is guilty of murder, or whether he is guilty of manslaughter,” Wilson told a B.C. Supreme Court jury during his opening statement. “The primary question is the question of intent. Was this an intentional killing?”
Earlier the jury heard from prosecutor Sandra Cunningham that Evans had confessed to police that he paid Parisien, 33, $200 for sex in the apartment suite at 1450 Chestnut St.
Evans, who got Parisien’s phone number from a sex site on Craigslist that he accessed on a computer at a convenience store, became angry when despite efforts by Parisien, he could not sustain an erection, said Cunningham.
He described to police what then happened, she said.
“‘Like I was just f---king angry and I remember I just started choking her,’” Evans told Vancouver police a few days after the August 2007 slaying. “‘I don’t even know whether I choked her first or whether I hit her first. I remember at one point just swinging away and then I remember sitting there and, ‘Holy f--k, she’s dead.’”
Evans, who played rugby at the University of B.C. and volunteered as a counsellor, struck Parisien 10 to 15 times before manually strangling her to death, said the prosecutor
He wrapped Parisien’s naked body in bedding, dragged the body down a rear exit and dumped it in the bushes near the high-rise apartment, she said.
Evans then fled to Calgary where he turned himself into police. He was transferred back to Vancouver and confessed. Evans accompanied police to the apartment suite and re-enacted the slaying. The jury is expected to be shown video of the re-enactment.
A neatly dressed Evans sat quietly in the prisoner’s dock. The accused’s mother and father sat in the front row in the public gallery of the small, packed courtroom. The trial before B.C. Supreme Court Madam Justice Catherine Wedge continues Wednesday.
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Not kids with AK47's....they're not so vulnerable, are they? Nor are the little ones skilled in the fine art of making pipe-bombs. Best steer clear of them. These goddamn druggie kids will stop at nothing -- human sacrifice, toxic-shit-hurling, public strangulation and excessive knifings, not to mention some other really violent stuff we'd rather not discuss here. No need to get that graphic on this forum.
AARC didn't have clients like this.
Good description of the graduates though.
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Should be interesting when the media finally makes the connection with these graduates - certainly this Andy Evans thing. His father is Roy Evans the Director of Operations and keeper of the bulging purse - the guy who should be asked about $1,000,000 of miscellaneous expenses in just one year.
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The media knows. There will be no mention in any newspaper, nor on any television news that Andrew Evans is a former member of the counseling staff at AARC.
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No mention that Evans is a former unlicensed mental health worker from AARC.
"Accused played university rugby
By Laura Payton, The ProvinceSeptember 8, 2009
The man accused of killing Nicole Parisien and dumping her body behind a Kitsilano apartment building played university rugby and volunteered as a counsellor at the University of B.C.
Andrew William Evans, 25, appeared in court in Vancouver yesterday charged with second-degree murder and was remanded in custody to Sept. 13. Evans is a UBC graduate who played scrum half for the Thunderbirds team. He wore No. 9.
His online profile on social-networking site Facebook says he is a Conservative with an interest in rugby, hockey, football and "just about every other sport out there." The profile also says Evans enjoys cooking, reading and watching the Discovery channel.
Evans' Facebook wall, where friends can leave messages, has notes of support from friends in Calgary, his hometown, and Vancouver.
"This is a terrible situation where hundreds of people have been affected," said Chris Dadson in an e-mail to The Province. "I will tell you he was and is a great guy and all of his friends will stand behind him and respect his wishes [not to talk to the media]."
Evans' profile says he volunteered at the Speakeasy, a UBC service offering peer counselling to students. A representative from the Alma Mater Society confirmed he volunteered there in 2005.
Parisien, 33, was a masseuse working in a suite in the 1400-block Chestnut Street the morning she died. Police say nobody lived in the suite, which was used as a massage parlour, and the vice squad is investigating whether it was a bawdy house.
"Evans fled to Calgary after the crime but turned himself into Calgary police on Tuesday, the 28th of August," said Const. Tim Fanning. "[Evans] has been co-operative in the investigation."
© Copyright (c) The Province
http://www.theprovince.com/news/Accused ... story.html (http://www.theprovince.com/news/Accused+played+university+rugby/1973588/story.html)
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No mention that Evans is a former unlicensed mental health worker from AARC
Typically the news media do not list all the jobs that a person held when reporting on people unless they are doing a complete profile. His time at AARC may be miniscule in comparison to his present employment and might have occurred years ago. I dont see how this would be news worthy to the average reader.
Another thing to think about is that during the early years of a person’s life they hold many jobs.. bartender, bus boy, waiter, asst. Counsellor, counsellor etc... so they focus on the most recent.
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JD, as a program shill who killed his own kid, I can see why you would try to draw attention away from the fact that Evans' former position as a mental healthworker was very relevant to this story. Typically, journalists report facts that are relevant. Typically, as you have since you started trying to disrupt the discussions about AARC, you made a pointless generalization that was irrelevant to the thread. JD, your kids is still dead, and you killed him. Perhaps you and Andy Evans could become pen pals. At some point you could even get conjugal visits. Word to the wise though JD, bring cialis just in case.
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Typically, journalists report facts that are relevant. Typically, as you have since you started trying to disrupt the discussions about AARC, you made a pointless generalization that was irrelevant to the thread.
So by your own conclusion...... either it wasn’t a fact or it wasn’t relevant to the story!
Okay then, it seems we both agree then that if his employment at AARC was not mentioned then obviously it was not relevant to the story.
Trying to sidestep this fact by running the thread off topic and onto me and this guy JD just further reinforces the fact that AARC was not a relevant fact to be reported. Since no one but yourself believes this you take it into your own hands to make it a point on fornits.. which is cool. But the rest of the world doesn’t see it that way. Sorry.
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JD, it's been painfully clear since you began your impotent (you and Andy have even more in common than just taking people's lives) attempt to disrupt the exchange of information about AARC that you're stupid. It's a fact that Evans' time at AARC is relevant, since it's a fact that he's a violent criminal who was allowed control over minors, often against their will, in an unregulated setting. So it was a fact and it was relevant, but the journalist's coverage was not typical. Somebody stepped in to control coverage of this story the day Evans showed up at AARC in 2007 after the killing. But you would have no way of knowing that JD, because you've been busy killing your own kid, and indulging your perverse compulsion to further shame yourself on Fornits. Stupid and deviant is no way to go through life JD. Since you can't do anything about being stupid and deviant, why not consider how to fix that last part of your situation?
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So it was a fact and it was relevant, but the journalist's coverage was not typical. Somebody stepped in to control coverage of this story the day Evans showed up at AARC in 2007 after the killing.
You tip your hand a little each time you attack me for my opinions. It solidifies your obvious lack of proof. But I will leave a window open for you to reconcile ... Let’s see the link to support your belief that someone stepped in to control the coverage. Was this an epiphany from your god or something tangible that we can all read. Most of us are open minded so don’t be uncomfortable revealing your source or thinking.
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JD, this is not like you shirking your responsibilities and causing the death of your son. Unlike you, I take responsibility for my actions, and for what I say. I was in contact with the reporter who first covered the arrest of Evans back in 2007. Now since you have no involvement with the AARC story other than your compulsion to try to fuck with me because you were so enraged lo those many months ago when I made the comment, albeit in total ignorance to your situation, about your son, you don't know anything about this other than what you've read on Fornits. You see kid-killer, anonAARCgrad made the comment that it would be intersting once the media connected the violent crimes of AARC grads in the media to the program. Moonpie said that the media was already aware of the connection. He posted an article demonstrating that the media was mentioning the connection to AARC. And then you, hamfisted and incompetent as usual, put your two cents in. Useless as ever, you ignored the subject of the previous posts, specifically the fact that the media was ignoring the mounting number of AARC graduates involved in violent crime, and made a post with a ridiculous generalization as though you were somehow demonstrataing something that a reader of the prior posts might not understand. In addition to being stupid, arrogant, ignorant, unable to control your compulsions, irresponsible and the killer of your own son, you're fucking boring.
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JD, this is not like you shirking your responsibilities and causing the death of your son. Unlike you, I take responsibility for my actions, and for what I say. I was in contact with the reporter who first covered the arrest of Evans back in 2007. Now since you have no involvement with the AARC story other than your compulsion to try to fuck with me because you were so enraged lo those many months ago when I made the comment, albeit in total ignorance to your situation, about your son, you don't know anything about this other than what you've read on Fornits. You see kid-killer, anonAARCgrad made the comment that it would be intersting once the media connected the violent crimes of AARC grads in the media to the program. Moonpie said that the media was already aware of the connection. He posted an article demonstrating that the media was mentioning the connection to AARC. And then you, hamfisted and incompetent as usual, put your two cents in. Useless as ever, you ignored the subject of the previous posts, specifically the fact that the media was ignoring the mounting number of AARC graduates involved in violent crime, and made a post with a ridiculous generalization as though you were somehow demonstrataing something that a reader of the prior posts might not understand. In addition to being stupid, arrogant, ignorant, unable to control your compulsions, irresponsible and the killer of your own son, you're fucking boring.
If I may inquire, what proof of Evans working at the AARC was available to the media ? Was it the recollections of survivors, or something more? It's hard to understand how coverage of that fact could get killed-- I'm not saying it wasn't, just that this possibility is truly horrifically incredible.
Thank you.
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The media were specifically told, fuckhead, in 2007 and again now that the trial is underway. So back to your bullshit attempt to derail the thread with your totally irrelevant generalization about typical journalistic practices. Like I said previously, the reporter who initially covered the arrest admitted that the story was being managed by people who drew a lot of water in Western Canada. Take a few days JD, and figure out where Kitsilano is before you make another perversely shameful post like your fake advice on the non-existant two AARC facilities. You, JD, are totally powerless to stop what is happening with AARC. The truth about the program is getting out. The truth is that it is founded in pseudoscience, and it is dangerous. Which means that eventually it will be closed like the Seed, like Straight, like Kids, like Kids Helping Kids, like SAFE, and like Pathways. And you will still be responsible for killing your kid by giving him to people like those who ran the aforementioned scams, and you will never be able to atone for that. I watched my kid play volleyball today JD, yours is dead.
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Facts can be very boring as opposed to your colorful stories filled with attacks on people you know nothing about. I know it may be a flaw with me but I prefer facts over colorful stories.
The piece you don’t understand is that journalist write about what is important, they don’t ignore it like you would like readers here to believe. If there is an interesting connection then the journalist will write about it because that is exactly what they do… it interesting that you throw around the word ignorant so loosely at others yet you struggle like this.
This little conspiracy theory that people are stepping in is a little odd to say the least. If you could provide at least as little proof to support there is a relevant connection and the press is ignoring it this may play well in increasing the credibility of your story.
Again most readers are open minded and if there is a conspiracy we are willing to listen to the facts. But you need to start providing some proof first.
Maybe as starters a link to the story which lead you to believe there was a conspiracy.
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JD, the fact that I was communicating with the reporter, and later her editor, myself, and then relating the information from those communications, is the exact opposite of talking about people I know nothing about. Now you on the other hand, are so fucking lazy that you are commenting on what I say, but you don't seem to have contradictory info from the princples in the story. What did the AARC clients who were in with Evans say to you? How about those who were in AARC when he was on staff? What did the reporter who first covered the arrest in 2007 say to you JD? How about her editor? Today JD was a very good day for those trying to stop the abuses at AARC. But you don't know a thing about it. You have no idea who, or what I'm talking about. Something happened JD, that you won't hear about for months, because you have absolutely no involvement in this other than your wretched attempt to screw with people who want to put an end to this particular cult. To coin a phrase JD, you're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie. Although unlike such a child JD, you had the power to look after your kid and you didn't, and now he's dead.
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JD, the fact that I was communicating with the reporter, and later her editor, myself, and then relating the information from those communications, is the exact opposite of talking about people I know nothing about. Now you on the other hand, are so fucking lazy that you are commenting on what I say, but you don't seem to have contradictory info from the princples in the story. What did the AARC clients who were in with Evans say to you? How about those who were in AARC when he was on staff? What did the reporter who first covered the arrest in 2007 say to you JD? How about her editor? Today JD was a very good day for those trying to stop the abuses at AARC. But you don't know a thing about it. You have no idea who, or what I'm talking about. Something happened JD, that you won't hear about for months, because you have absolutely no involvement in this other than your wretched attempt to screw with people who want to put an end to this particular cult. To coin a phrase JD, you're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie. Although unlike such a child JD, you had the power to look after your kid and you didn't, and now he's dead.
Look sorry to rile you up so much, Ajax (not my intent). Just proving my point that you have no evidence (your 3rd post without a link). You are so hyped up trying to discredit AARC that you would say anything (we all know that). How about if I say I spoke to the editor and he said AARC is a non-relevant piece of news. How do you know if I spoke to him/her or not?
So you see it is all a conspiracy with you. You have no proof, no links to post up for others to see... just the hope and a prayer that people will believe your bull.
I have read the articles and his connection to AARC is the same as if he worked at McDonalds for a few months.. who cares?
Here is what we know and what is relevant.
" He played rugby at the University of B.C. and volunteered as a counsellor"
I know, ajax, facts are boring. But its what makes us all believe...... try posting some, see what happens.
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If I may inquire, what proof of Evans working at the AARC was available to the media ? Was it the recollections of survivors, or something more? It's hard to understand how coverage of that fact could get killed-- I'm not saying it wasn't, just that this possibility is truly horrifically incredible.
Thank you..
Er, sorry. That last post was mine, not thewho’s.
Facts can be very boring as opposed to your colorful stories filled with attacks on people you know nothing about. I know it may be a flaw with me but I prefer facts over colorful stories.
The piece you don’t understand is that journalist write about what is important, they don’t ignore it like you would like readers here to believe. If there is an interesting connection then the journalist will write about it because that is exactly what they do… it interesting that you throw around the word ignorant so loosely at others yet you struggle like this.
This little conspiracy theory that people are stepping in is a little odd to say the least. If you could provide at least as little proof to support there is a relevant connection and the press is ignoring it this may play well in increasing the credibility of your story.
Again most readers are open minded and if there is a conspiracy we are willing to listen to the facts. But you need to start providing some proof first.
Maybe as starters a link to the story which lead you to believe there was a conspiracy.
^^ That’s thewho. I'm just trying to comprehend why media fail to report the connection. Is the explanation that survivors’ recollections of his presence aren’t enough lawful “proof” of his involvement with the AARC to protect against defamation lawsuits? I know Canada’s defamation statutes are harsh. Or maybe the (presumably just local) media simply IS corrupt
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I kind of see your point “who”. Take Jeffery Dahmer. He worked in a chocolate factory yet the journalists didn’t make a big deal out of it or try to make it seem like the chocolate factory caused Jefferey to act this way and cannibalize other kids.
Maybe working the night shift might had pushed him over the edge. But most people believe he was fucked up before he joined the chocolate factory. How does anyone know if a person is screwed up or not? Or what caused it?
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Did you speak to the editor JD, and did you speak to the reporter, and did you speak to former AARC clients? JD, are you aware of a website that one can link to that somehow records all communications that I have had? If you didn't speak to the reporter, the editor and the former AARC clients who were in AARC while Evans was there, then you are a lazy sack of shit, in addition to being a terrible father who killed his own child.
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Did you speak to the editor JD, and did you speak to the reporter, and did you speak to former AARC clients? JD, are you aware of a website that one can link to that somehow records all communications that I have had? If you didn't speak to the reporter, the editor and the former AARC clients who were in AARC while Evans was there, then you are a lazy sack of shit, in addition to being a terrible father who killed his own child.
Finally a link!! okay link us up to you communications that you had with the media and where they said "Someone stepped in to control the coverage". Then I will link up mine which tells a story that the media didnt see any relevant connection to AARC at all..... Just a kid who volunteered as a counselor and played for the University of B.C.
Seems you are the only one trying to make the stretch. The rest of us are basing our decisions on facts... but we are open minded that things may change after you provide your link.
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What link JD? You just can't stop lying. Did your dishonest nature lead to your child's estrangement from you before you killed him? I asked you if you were aware of such a link, and then, because you are not smart enough to twist what I say, you have to pretend that I said something else. But again, I have stated for anyone reading here what I was told by those individuals who were directly involved in this. By all means JD, let us know what the editor said to you, and the reporter, and the former AARC clients. If what I said was untrue, then you will be able to tell us what those people said to you. Now what did they say to you JD?
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What link JD? You just can't stop lying. Did your dishonest nature lead to your child's estrangement from you before you killed him? I asked you if you were aware of such a link, and then, because you are not smart enough to twist what I say, you have to pretend that I said something else. But again, I have stated for anyone reading here what I was told by those individuals who were directly involved in this. By all means JD, let us know what the editor said to you, and the reporter, and the former AARC clients. If what I said was untrue, then you will be able to tell us what those people said to you. Now what did they say to you JD?
Aw, for a minute there I thought you would break with presidence and provide some proof.
If you had spoke to them as I have then you would know:
That no one stepped in to control the coverage! They didnt find any connection to AARC worthy of following up on. They are not in the business of printing out every job a person had since they were a teenager when covering each news story.
What they found to be relevant to the readers is that he was currently playing rugby for the University of BC and voluteered as a counselor. They may mention previous employers if the story expands but at present there is no interest or relevant connection. If he worked in a chocolate factory, Mcdonalds or AARC they may get around to mentioning it but these jobs did not contribute to his behavior as far as we know.
But keep reading as the info keeps coming out and maybe there will be a connection. The story is still ongoing so maybe your story will come true. Dont be disuaded by all of this. There may be a relevant connection at some point,just need to be patient.
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Who specifically did you speak with JD? Which former AARC clients, and which editor? It's 9pm in Vancouver JD, and you made no mention of ever having communicated with any of the aforementioned people until a few minutes ago. And JD, that reporter isn't with the Province anymore. Where is she working now?
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Who specifically did you speak with JD? Which former AARC clients, and which editor? It's 9pm in Vancouver JD, and you made no mention of ever having communicated with any of the aforementioned people until a few minutes ago. And JD, that reporter isn't with the Province anymore. Where is she working now?
I will answer this for JD, if you dont mind me jumping in. Here is what I would suggest you do, Ajax13. Its before 8 am here so you need to wait a few hours but give a call over to the Vancouver Sun and ask for Mike Sampson or Gerry Bellett. You wont get directly through but leave a message and a call back number. When you speak with either one of them explain your concerns about the news coverage of Andrew Evans and ask for an explanation of why his past employment was not mentioned in the news article.
Jot down your findings then give a call over to the Vancouver Province and ask for Laura Payton (you may get sent over to Sharon Gerth (sp?) initially but that is okay and express your concerns to her also.
Then, after you hang up, give yourself a few minutes to stop beating yourself up for being paranoid and then come back to fornits to post your findings and recap on the phone call.
You need to try to get this conspiracy theory crap out of your head, Ajax13, its not healthy. All the news papers are not withholding news just to make your life miserable. They print what they believe is relevant to the story. Instead of sitting there and writing what you “think” is going on get out and gather some facts and base your decision on that.
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Lazy, JD, you are just lazy. You cannot find Laura Payton at the Vancouver Province, you stupid fuck because that article was written in 2007 when she was an intern. She left very soon after I was in contact with her to pursue work in another medium. Her editor, with whom I was also in contact was not Sharon Gerth, regardless of spelling. Had you actually attempted to speak to Laura Payton, you would have known that. Lazy, lazy, lying sack of shit. Oddly enough, I was in contact with Bellett back in 2007. He's very defensive due to his previous fawning article about AARC, and in fact his paper has not even reported on this trial at all. I'm going to a movie with my son today, JD, yours is still dead.
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Lazy, JD, you are just lazy. You cannot find Laura Payton at the Vancouver Province, you stupid fuck because that article was written in 2007 when she was an intern. She left very soon after I was in contact with her to pursue work in another medium. Her editor, with whom I was also in contact was not Sharon Gerth, regardless of spelling. Had you actually attempted to speak to Laura Payton, you would have known that. Lazy, lazy, lying sack of shit. Oddly enough, I was in contact with Bellett back in 2007. He's very defensive due to his previous fawning article about AARC, and in fact his paper has not even reported on this trial at all. I'm going to a movie with my son today, JD, yours is still dead.
Let me answer for JD again. He may be at another funeral of a dead relative he did in. I think he has killed off most of his family, he is a morbid fuck. He saves the price of a ticket at the movie theater... so there is an upside for him, there always is.
So it is good to see that you are attempting to base your posts on facts. This is a big step for you from just personal attacks on peoples weight and choice of college degrees etc. If you had really spoken to Laura as I have you would know that they didnt intentionally avoid Andrews past. She felt it wasnt a significant fact that related to the murder. If you bother to speak with with Bellett again you will get the same answer.
I would also try to get a little more current information then 2 years ago if you intend to bring your discussion current. I havent persued the info since then myself but if you are going to speak about it again then do your homework, you make yourself look a little silly.
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Lazy, lazy, lazy JD. Was it laziness that resulted in you foisting your kid onto the program that led to his demise? Were I in your situation, I would attempt to salvage some kind of relationship with your surviving offspring. That will take a lot more work than sitting in front of the computer, JD. You would have to actually communicate with him, the way I did with the journalists discussed earlier, or the way I do with my own not dead son.
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Lazy, lazy, lazy JD. Was it laziness that resulted in you foisting your kid onto the program that led to his demise? Were I in your situation, I would attempt to salvage some kind of relationship with your surviving offspring. That will take a lot more work than sitting in front of the computer, JD. You would have to actually communicate with him, the way I did with the journalists discussed earlier, or the way I do with my own not dead son.
Quick movie, Ajax13!!! You really shouldnt expose your kid to those 8 minute films. Your a sick person and should be put in jail.
So based on your response I take it you never persued the facts in this case. So we can agree that there is no conspiracy by the papers (Vancouver Sun nor the Province). They printed what they felt was relevant info. Maybe you are better off if you go back to calling people overweight and question why they decided to persue a degree you will get more people to believe you
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Thats funny!! Ajax was bagged. Seems hes got some splanin to do on his choice of movies with the kiddies.
So ajax13 said:Somebody stepped in to control coverage of this story
When he was confronted with a request to back up his statement with facts he resorted to his usual personal attacks in an attempt to change the focus from himself onto various other people. So based on first hand information from both the Vancouver Sun and the Province. Both Laura Payton and Gerry Bellett reported their stories openly and freely without any pressure from anyone to alter it. So based on Ajax;s own statement about Andrews involvement in AARC “either it wasn’t a fact or it wasn’t relevant to the story!”
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Thats funny!! Ajax was bagged. Seems hes got some splanin to do on his choice of movies with the kiddies.
Wouldnt it be funny if Ajax13 and JD ended up in the same cell together!! Oh Lordy what a time they would have exchanging stories with Ajax and his picture of the wiz on the wall and JD with his family Aspen tapes playing all day!!
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Now JD, with your wife gone from this mortal coil, I suppose you're free to express your homoerotic prison fantasies, but that's all they are JD, fantasy. Now you can spend some time JD, you lazy fuck, tracking down Laura Payton, and you can ask her yourself what happened with the coverage of Evans' arrest in 2007, and you can get a hold of Gary Bellett, if he will talk to you, and you can ask him why his paper is not covering this murder at all. Or, you can carry on embarrassing yourself here. Either way, you can have no influence on the outcome of this. You can make as many posts on here, and disrupt the communication of people with real information about AARC, but it gets passed along eventually. Between 1992 and 2009 JD, there were over one dozen references to AARC in our Provincial Legislature. in 2009 so far there have been half a dozen, and all but one were in regard to illegalities at AARC. The tide has turned JD, and your kid is still dead.
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Or, you can carry on embarrassing yourself here. Either way, you can have no influence on the outcome of this.
I am a firm believe that everyone has an influence. I believe you feel the way you do because you are frustrated that your personal attacks on people has not yielded results. You should change your strategy to a more fact base approach.
You can make as many posts on here, and disrupt the communication of people with real information about AARC, but it gets passed along eventually. Between 1992 and 2009 JD, there were over one dozen references to AARC in our Provincial Legislature. in 2009 so far there have been half a dozen, and all but one were in regard to illegalities at AARC.
Now your talking, see no conspiracy, Ajax, when you stick to the facts like this you may be able to pull yourself out of the haze of deception you have created around yourself and reputation for being a nut. Just toss up a link to those references and WaLa... you start to regain some credibility right away..... I knew you had it in you.
The tide has turned JD, and your kid is still dead.
Dont forget his wife and there is a rumor that the other kid is missing... on another note you should get rid of your porn and stop with the kiddie stuff with your son Ajax13 or you will be sharing a cell with JD. You have a sickness that is not treatable except to toss your butt in jail. Think about it before you are caught. Your a sick puppy dude, get yourself some help.
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All those posts JD, and your kid is still dead because you were a shitty father. That's a fact. Next week, if you can suck it up enough, you can try to contact the papers in Vancouver. You could try and find some of the former AARC clients I have spoken to, but that will take some effort and you have so far proven yourself way too fucking lazy. As to the statement made by anonAARCgrad that it will be interesting when the media ties the criminal acts of former grads together and makes the connection with the facility from which they have graduated, we shall see. In the meantime JD, try to face up to the fact that you killed your kid. It might help you to salvage some kind of relationship with the one you haven't killed yet.
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All those posts JD, and your kid is still dead because you were a shitty father. That's a fact. Next week, if you can suck it up enough, you can try to contact the papers in Vancouver. You could try and find some of the former AARC clients I have spoken to, but that will take some effort and you have so far proven yourself way too fucking lazy. As to the statement made by anonAARCgrad that it will be interesting when the media ties the criminal acts of former grads together and makes the connection with the facility from which they have graduated, we shall see. In the meantime JD, try to face up to the fact that you killed your kid. It might help you to salvage some kind of relationship with the one you haven't killed yet.
Wow, Ajax13, you and this JD person are really going at it. "The battle of the shitty fathers!" I think what JD did was horrible, but I think that you too have a problem, Ajax13. You shouldn’t expose your son to porno movies and forcing him to watch them like that, you could be arrested for that and its a sickness. The guy you are talking to whether it is JD or not has contacted the papers and spoke to the people who wrote the articles and proved you wrong. Your MO when proved wrong or frustrated is to attack the people personally (not address the issue, which you should). You did the same thing with Vause when you attacked his kid and peoples weight conditions when AARC proved they had an 85% success rate. You couldnt fight the facts so you attacked the peoples family and kids. But that aside what you should be worried about more is if he said anything about your crimes against your son. you should think about what you have done and try to protect your son by getting help for yourself. Maybe there is a family member that can take him while you are getting help for yourself.
Its not something you can run from.
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JD, you can contact the papers next week, or you can carry on with your lazy demented obsession with me, but either way you killed your kid and posting here is never going to bring him back, and it's never going to remove your responsibility for his death.
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Ajax13, you should try to get help for your problem. The first thing you need to do is get your son to a safe place like a family member before the authorities find out. If you don’t do this you could lose him for good. The next step is to try to get legal advice. If you wait and this person JD notified the authorities then you will be removed from your home until you get help and you may never have unmoderated contact with your son ever again. Personally I think this may be best for your kid anyway because you are sick for forcing him to watch pornography films in your basement like that. Just think about it.
Call this person:
Therese M. Lavallee
1014 Franklin Street
Suite 108
Vancouver, WA 98660
Phone: (360) 750-5607
Fax: (360) 699-2218
She specializes in helping sex offenders like yourself and can give some good advice.
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Why is Ajax admitting to molesting his son on the web like this? That is nuts!! You are a serious fuck up Ajax and the joke is that you never went to a program so you cant blame the industry for this.
What is your problem? Why are you obsessed with this JD guy? First it was Vause, then his son and now this. Are these obsessions a coverup for what you do to your son every night? or a result of your self hatred?
Distance yourself from your son before I do it for you you sick fuck.
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JD, since you killed your son, you can't have contact with him at all, moderated or not. Your mania, stupidity, ignorance and laziness seem to be in an epic battle for dominance. Who will win JD? Will your next post be shameful because it's rooted in stupidity, ignorance, laziness or your inability to think rationally when your compulsions are driving you?
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@Ajax13, it looks like you are in the right city.
“Even in a place like this us inmates don’t put up with sex offender,” said one of the letter writers. “When he came to our unit, my first reaction was to kick his ass.
“Instead we told him to check off the unit which resulted in him to be moved out of KRCC.”
“I hate sex offenders,” said the last line of the other letter.
Link to more info (http://http://www.kamloopsnews.ca/article/20090909/KAMLOOPS0101/309099991/0/KAMLOOPS01/accused-sex-offender-likes-vancouver-jail-better)
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JD, since you killed your son, you can't have contact with him at all, moderated or not. Your mania, stupidity, ignorance and laziness seem to be in an epic battle for dominance. Who will win JD? Will your next post be shameful because it's rooted in stupidity, ignorance, laziness or your inability to think rationally when your compulsions are driving you?
why are you obsessed with this JD guy? It isnt going to help you keep your son or erase what you do to him each night. We both know that yet you keep throwing personal attacks at other people hoping the pain will go away.
You are sick Ajax13. Stop molesting and abusing your son. Just because this poster proved you wrong is no reason to take it out on your own family. Its only a forum. Leave your kid in peace.
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JD, you could still have a relationship with your surviving child. Instead you've pursued a bizarre and pathetic campaign to justify your fatally stupid and ignorant mistakes with your kids. Think about it JD. You have no involvement with AARC, whatsoever. You are so stupid and ignorant that you didn't even know where AARC was, nor Vancouver for that matter. But post, after post, you keep shaming yourself. What's left in it for you JD?
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I have been reading along here and would like to add something:
This was a couple of years agoI can understand some parents looking for help for their kids. but what I dont agree with is when parents look outside their family for help. Kids belong at home no matter what. I have a son who is acting out sexually at school. He is in the third grade and the school counselor wants me to have him see an independent psychologist. But I feel it is not that big a deal as they make it out to be. I have been working with him and he is getting better. Most school counselors dont know what they are talking about
Last month:I believe people have the right to do what they want in their own household and no one has the right to interfere with that. I often watch pornography in the house. This isn’t illegal and isn’t hurting anyone and my son has seen it before. I try to keep it to a minimum but dont believe others should tell me what to do. Its my house and I decide what is crossing the line.
Last week:
Sorry, I have to run, my son is having trouble at school again. He comes first in my life so I will continue with you at a later time. hold that thought
See, Ajax13, what you dont understand is the reason your son is acting out sexually at school is because you expose him to porn. Dont you see a trend here? I warned you a couple of years ago and now your son is acting out. This is abuse and if the authorities find out what you do at home, with him watching your movies with you, you are going to go to jail and possibly lose your son. You are sick and should try to focus on your own family instead of Dean Vauses.
Ajax13, heal thyself!!!
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JD, what's the end here for you? Your activities on Fornits are going to come back onto your referral business. You have one living son with whom you could establish some kind of relationship, but your time is spent vainly trying to disrupt the discourse on Fornits. The facts about AARC are coming out now, one way or another, so you have failed to do whatever it was you were trying to do here. The programs with which you are tragically familiar will not survive or perish because of anything you do on Fornits. My son is sitting beside me doing his homework JD, where is your son?
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JD, what's the end here for you? Your activities on Fornits are going to come back onto your referral business. You have one living son with whom you could establish some kind of relationship, but your time is spent vainly trying to disrupt the discourse on Fornits. The facts about AARC are coming out now, one way or another, so you have failed to do whatever it was you were trying to do here. The programs with which you are tragically familiar will not survive or perish because of anything you do on Fornits. My son is sitting beside me doing his homework JD, where is your son?
You and JD get the Shitty parents award hands down. The funny thing is neither one of you has ever attended a program. Both of you go fuck yourselves.
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So long, JD.
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JD, what's the end here for you? Your activities on Fornits are going to come back onto your referral business. You have one living son with whom you could establish some kind of relationship, but your time is spent vainly trying to disrupt the discourse on Fornits. The facts about AARC are coming out now, one way or another, so you have failed to do whatever it was you were trying to do here. The programs with which you are tragically familiar will not survive or perish because of anything you do on Fornits. My son is sitting beside me doing his homework JD, where is your son?
If anything good came out of this discussion it is your realization that anything you have said did not have an effect on the future of AARC. If it lives it lives if it dies it dies. nothing you can do about it Ajax13.
What will be interesting to see is if you start utilizing more facts against AARC or whether you continue the track you were on before this discussion. Personally I hope you start spending more time with your kid and if there is any truth to the porn that you leave it for when your son isnt home. That stuff isnt right for kids and you should know better
I hope that JD can do the same and spend more time with his son that is left, continue to build his business and be happy.
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You degenerated into total nonsense again JD. Try calling your son that you haven't killed yet, instead of making a shameful spectacle of yourself on Fornits. You've managed to make your kiddie-prison referral business a target JD, and the people who oppose Aspen are unlikely to let your behavior on Fornits slide. So you fucked yourself. On the other hand JD, AARC's relationship to Kids and that of it's Executive Director to the same have become known to people in Canada due to exposure on the Fifth Estate. AARC is now the subject of inquiry in the Legislature, and the alleged abuses at AARC are now before the courts. AARC appears to be moving in the direction of the rest of the chain from the Seed and Straight. So spent your life failing on Fornits JD, or try to save something of your relationship with your son.
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I have watched your MO, Ajax. For years you post on here claiming that you are making an effect on AARC to no avail. You argue for days on end with yourself about Vauses weight, his hockey career, his son and question why he went back to school. But these are all personal things. You brought no facts to the table regarding the program Why is that? The one area you seemed to want to argue was AARC’s study, but you never took the time to learn even the most basic concepts of statistics so you resorted to repetitive questioning which made you look like an idiot. Your questions didn’t apply to the subject matter and therefore exposed you. That is why I came over to visit you. I answered your questions and slowly moved you towards a more fact based argument.
Now you are obsessed with this guy JD and his family. Some guy who doesn’t even post here or reads here probably (just like Vause). Is this what you do, avoid anything factual and spew your anger at individuals who don’t even read your rants? Is this the way you treat your son when he acts out in school? Make fun of him, his physical flaws and laugh at him because he likes flowers over Hockey? I can see why people confront you. If you stopped abusing your son the way you do I don’t think you would have this need to self purge by attacking people you don’t know on the internet. Be a man, talk to AARC directly and this guy JD if it helps…. And lastly speak and listen to your son directly and stop abusing him. He needs you at his age.
Think about it.
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This "guest" is a fool. Ajax has had a remarkable effect on what is going on at AARC. They are on their heels, trying to defend the indefensible. He swayed me, a one time true believer. AARC is in deep trouble, and while it may not close, it is going to be scrutinized - finally - by some members of the media, politicians and the police. :shamrock:
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This "guest" is a fool. Ajax has had a remarkable effect on what is going on at AARC. They are on their heels, trying to defend the indefensible. He swayed me, a one time true believer. AARC is in deep trouble, and while it may not close, it is going to be scrutinized - finally - by some members of the media, politicians and the police. :shamrock:
Seems you are the fool, AnonAARCGrad. If you had bothered to follow Ajax's rants about nothing you would know. Have you ever read Psy's, Ursus', Try another castles, Jill ryans, (just to name a few) arguments? They argue their point with facts and debate back and forth. Do you think the media, politicians or police really care if Vause played hockey or not. Do you think they care if people are overweight or that Ajax never bothered to understand Statistics. Do you think the police sit and wonder Why thewiz chose to go back to school late in life? These were Ajax's arguments.... He cheers from the sidelines and if his team wins then he will feel part of something big at best. If AARC does go down it will be their own undoing not anyone elses and if they grow and continue they can take credit also.
My neighbors uncle has spent a lifetime bad mouthing Chrysler corporation because he got stuck with a lemon in the 1960's and he thinks he is responsible for the companies down turn because of the letters he wrote them and his fight against them. There is no harm done letting him believe he caused it just like you and Ajax can feel you had an effect also. It will be a good feeling for you if it happens.... but dont fool yourselves.
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JD, pick up that phone and call your son that you haven't killed yet.
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JD, pick up that phone and call your son that you haven't killed yet.
This has been one of the better few days of posting I have had in awhile. I have been able to get Ajax13 to start spending time with his son... you will note Ajax13 sat with his son yesterday while he was doing his homework. There hasnt been any indication that Ajax13 was watching porn at the time. Then we notice that this new found fatherly instinct has being getting Ajax13 to start spreading it around. He is encouraging JD to call his son and spend time with him. It contagious isnt it Ajax13? JD if you are listening you should follow Ajax13's lead on this one.
I am willing to wager that if you keep this up your son stops acting out in school. Keep us updated on how it is going. You will make a great father someday if you continue on this path.
Wow, I know how a counselor feels when progress has been made. Its a good feeling
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JD, my son's average in school was over 80% last year. He's also a successful athlete, and is regarded as a leader among his peers. One of your sons is dead because you didn't do your job JD, and your other son is estranged from you. My goal was to bring to light what I view to be an an unlawful and dangerous entity. Regardless of why it happened, it has happened. You on the other hand, have managed to accomplish nothing on Fornits, unless you really did want to set yourself referral business up to be shut down to punish yourself. It's not too late for you to call your live son, JD.
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JD, my son's average in school was over 80% last year. He's also a successful athlete, and is regarded as a leader among his peers. One of your son's is dead because you didn't do your job JD, and your other son is estranged from you. My goal was to bring to light what I view to be an an unlawful and dangerous entity. Regardless of why it happened, it has happened. You on the other hand, have managed to accomplish nothing on Fornits, unless you really did want to set yourself referral business up to be shut down to punish yourself. It's not too late for you to call your live son, JD.
Its good you are trying to encourage JD to connect with his son, Ajax13. Keep at it but dont be too tough on him he may have already done it. Let’s let him speak for himself. Remember it has only been a few days since you turned yourself around and started spending time with your child. You mentioned your sons average was over 80% last year but we both know you had trouble in this area. You were confusing 85% success with 85% failure rate. Lets not try to get too excited about his progress. You should just stay focused with spending time with him, like I had mentioned. I can almost guarantee that his grades will come up to above passing if you continue on the path you are on... cut out the porn, especially in front of him and don’t ridicule him when you don’t understand what he is saying to you.
The 80% goal is a good one but done pressure him too much, just stay the course. I like the fact that you are becoming more goal oriented and relying on facts and figures more. This is good...
I think I missed my calling!!!
To JD: If you are catching any of this try posting a "hey" to Ajax13. He has started spending time with his kid and wants to share the feeling with you. He would appreciate some feed back.
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JD, you did miss your calling. You sired two children and your calling was to be a decent father. You weren't, so one is dead now. However, the other is still alive and you could try to give that young man some semblance of a family after the tragedy with with which his life is beset. Back to where we were before JD attempted to disrupt this thread, the Vancouver Province had a reporter looking at Andy Evans' facebook page and releasing a story about the AARColyte support within a day of his arrest in 2007. I, and another interested party from Calgary contacted the reporter, who explained that she was given info about Evans and told to report it. It backfired when the AARColytes were allowed to air their bizarre views on addiction and personal responsibility. The Vancouver Sun, as I stated previously, is not even covering the story. Bellett knows very well that Evans is a former AARC staffer, and Bellett loves him some AARC. The recent article by Kevin Martin in the Calgary Sun about AARC's suit against Christine Lunn came about after AARC gave Martin a copy of the Statement of Claim. The Sun did not acknowledge any debate about AARC in the Legislature that took place since February, nor did the Sun make any inquiries about the allegations of abuse in AARC. Bill Brooks, the turpentine-soaked vagina-stretched-over-a-garden-claw, gave his semi-annual promo to AARC in the Sun society pages.
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JD, my son's average in school was over 80% last year. He's also a successful athlete, and is regarded as a leader among his peers. One of your son's is dead because you didn't do your job JD, and your other son is estranged from you. My goal was to bring to light what I view to be an an unlawful and dangerous entity. Regardless of why it happened, it has happened. You on the other hand, have managed to accomplish nothing on Fornits, unless you really did want to set yourself referral business up to be shut down to punish yourself. It's not too late for you to call your live son, JD.
Its good you are trying to encourage JD to connect with his son, Ajax13. Keep at it but dont be too tough on him he may have already done it. Let’s let him speak for himself. Remember it has only been a few days since you turned yourself around and started spending time with your child. You mentioned your sons average was over 80% last year but we both know you had trouble in this area. You were confusing 85% success with 85% failure rate. Lets not try to get too excited about his progress. You should just stay focused with spending time with him, like I had mentioned. I can almost guarantee that his grades will come up to above passing if you continue on the path you are on... cut out the porn, especially in front of him and don’t ridicule him when you don’t understand what he is saying to you.
The 80% goal is a good one but done pressure him too much, just stay the course. I like the fact that you are becoming more goal oriented and relying on facts and figures more. This is good...
I think I missed my calling!!!
To JD: If you are catching any of this try posting a "hey" to Ajax13. He has started spending time with his kid and wants to share the feeling with you. He would appreciate some feed back.
Dont get ahead of yourself. I admit that the two of them are talking and focusing on their kids again. But you are far from a counselor, but you did good.
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.... journalists report facts that are relevant.
I have to agree with Ajax13 on this. It seems the journalists are aware of Evans past but feel it isnt relevant to the story and therefore wasnt included.
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Your opinion may be that the connection of Evans and other violent criminal graduates of AARC to the facility is not relevant and that is why it is not mentioned in news stories. That is however, in contradicition to what I have heard directly from reporters, both in Vancouver and in Calgary. That's why, you lazy fuck, you ought to try talking to those people yourself. Your kid isn't getting any less dead JD, and every day you spend on Fornits is one you could have spent reconciling with the one you didn't kill.
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Your opinion may be that the connection of Evans and other violent criminal graduates of AARC to the facility is not relevant and that is why it is not mentioned in news stories. That is however, in contradicition to what I have heard directly from reporters, both in Vancouver and in Calgary. That's why, you lazy fuck, you ought to try talking to those people yourself. Your kid isn't getting any less dead JD, and every day you spend on Fornits is one you could have spent reconciling with the one you didn't kill.
Ha,Ha,Ha Ajax13's change of life only lasted a few hours. He is back to his name calling when frustrated lol. I feel a little bad for JD, though, because he is taking the brunt of it recently instead of Vause.
So, Ajax, you think that Evans story is relevant but that the journalists just keep forgetting to include it in their story. Hmmm. Keep telling yourself that Ajax!! or maybe it is another conspiracy? That may work. But please dont take this out on your son again and start yelling at him too and ignoring him and exposing him to porn. You were doing so well there for a day or two. Go back to sitting with him while he does his homework.
In the mean time if you really want to believe that the connection of Evans to AARC is important and relevant but the journalist keep forgetting to mention this fact then live it up and believe it. We will support you if it makes you feel better. But I have to tell you that when I spoke to them they felt the connection didnt warrant mentioning that is why it was never reported.
You should go back to calling Vause "thewiz" and asking why he went back to college... you were better at that. Just ask the question over and over again.. maybe 20 times and then go yell at you kid!!!
To JD: Sorry if you have to endure ajaxs outbursts. He has been proven wrong using his own argument again and he is lashing out. Hopefully he will settle down and spend some time with his kid before school tomorrow. JD? Have you called your son yet? Ajax would appreciate some feedback. It might help him with his problem.
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Every minute you spend posting on Fornits JD, is one you could have spent trying to re-establish a relationship with the one son you didn't kill. One more year lost now, JD.
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Every minute you spend posting on Fornits JD, is one you could have spent trying to re-establish a relationship with the one son you didn't kill. One more year lost now, JD.
JD, Did you hear that? I am not sure JD is getting all of these messages of yours, Ajax. You might want to shoot a few messages off to his website. On another note you should heed your own advice and spend some time with your own kid. Your son is presently at the 25th percentile, acting out in school and exposed to porn and who knows what else with a father who responds to frustration with personal attacks. Your child has a tough road ahead. You and JD may end up having more in common than you think one day. Keep an eye on your little one or you may lose him. The clock is ticking Ajax.
So it seems we agree that the connection Evans has to AARC is a none issue in the eyes of the media. The papers just dont seem to think it is important enough to mention.. even after several articles with differing vantage points explored.
Now get back in there with your son... and JD if you are listening, work on it too.
Ahhh, if this works out I may become a life coach. I think I am pretty good at resolving stuff.
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A whole year gone JD, and you wasted it on Fornits. Nothing will bring back the son you killed, but you could try to resolve something with the one left alive.
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To JD: Sorry if you have to endure ajaxs outbursts. He has been proven wrong using his own argument again and he is lashing out. Hopefully he will settle down and spend some time with his kid before school tomorrow. JD? Have you called your son yet? Ajax would appreciate some feedback. It might help him with his problem
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Ajax, your posts are getting shorter which means (I am hoping ) that you are trying to spend more time with your son. A little advice would be to try to turn off the computer and the TV and just listen to what he has to say. Talk to him about his week coming up at school. It goes by so quickly. Dont let the AARC rage get to you and ruin your relationship with your son.
@JD: Try to call your son (The one that is alive)
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JD, anybody reading Fornits with influence on the outcome of the AARC situation long ago made their decisions about what kind of a person I am. You gave up on facts, because you didn't have any. You were too lazy to do even a little research, because of course your interest is not in communicating facts, it is in trying to disrupt the discourse about AARC. You sent your kids to B Mods, and you set up a referral service for B Mods, and one of your kids whom you sent to a B Mod is dead. That is unfortunate, but I am not responsible for your son's death. Over the last few years there have been three principle posters who continued to try to stop people from communicating openly about AARC on this forum. One is a former staff member who has demonstrated such a high degree of aggressive and obsessive behavior towards former female AARC clients that he became a person of interest to the police. Another is a long-time worshipper of the Wiz from his days in Saskatchewan, who went so far as to flat out lie, claiming that the Wiz was a registered psychologist, and equating my criticism of Vause with a man who cut another passenger's head off on a Greyhound bus. Nice company you keep, JD. So there's just you three, JD and the people you are trying to stifle. Those that want to know what's going on, and those that want to keep them from knowing. There's no one else here, JD.
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JD, anybody reading Fornits with influence on the outcome of the AARC situation long ago made their decisions about what kind of a person I am. You gave up on facts, because you didn't have any. You were too lazy to do even a little research, because of course your interest is not in communicating facts, it is in trying to disrupt the discourse about AARC. You sent your kids to B Mods, and you set up a referral service for B Mods, and one of your kids whom you sent to a B Mod is dead. That is unfortunate, but I am not responsible for your son's death. Over the last few years there have been three principle posters who continued to try to stop people from communicating openly about AARC on this forum. One is a former staff member who has demonstrated such a high degree of aggressive and obsessive behavior towards former female AARC clients that he became a person of interest to the police. Another is a long-time worshipper of the Wiz from his days in Saskatchewan, who went so far as to flat out lie, claiming that the Wiz was a registered psychologist, and equating my criticism of Vause with a man who cut another passenger's head off on a Greyhound bus. Nice company you keep, JD. So there's just you three, JD and the people you are trying to stifle. Those that want to know what's going on, and those that want to keep them from knowing. There's no one else here, JD.
I'll jumpin here if you dont mind.
I am not JD, but I "am" the one who has been keeping you feet to the fire and insisting on facts. If you feel I have been standing in your way of posting then you are mistaken. It might have felt that way to you because I pushed back every time you made statements without any facts and held you accountable. you were not use to this so it felt like I was being disruptive.. welcome to the real world, Ajax.
As far as what type of person you are. This is not defined by the readers or posters here on fornits like you have yourself believe. It is formed by your actions. You ridicule others when they dont agree with you. You fail to fight with facts and instead make fun of their families and disrupt the thread. You have neglected your son and abused him, you admitted this openly here on fornits when you stated you watched porno with your son in the room and that he is acting out in school as a result of it. All these things form who you are, Ajax,not a few handpicked people who like you.
just remember that as you are spending energy picking on this guy JD, you are building ragewhich you will release on your own son.
Think about it... think about your family.
If you have a beef with AARC then stand up like a man and plead your case honestly and openly. Dont hide in the shadows and ridicule peoples wives and kids. Thats chicken shit and it is a bad reflection on you and the person your son will look up to someday.
Sorry for my ramblings, it seems I have become the spokes person for this absentee JD… Jd if you are listening come on in and defend yourself!!!
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Interesting how Ajax13 attacks people who are not here. Ever notice? He asks questions day and night about Vause yet he never approaches him directly. Now he is doing the same thing with this JD guy. He somehow feels safe attacking someone who isnt here to listen or talk back to him. Is he afraid of confrontation? the answer to his questions? Or afraid he will be exposed?
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Wait, are you saying that Ajax should confront "Doctor" Vause face-to-face?
Because I'd pay to see that. Particularly if it involved a sledgehammer.
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Wait, are you saying that Ajax should confront "Doctor" Vause face-to-face?
Because I'd pay to see that. Particularly if it involved a sledgehammer.
Ajax feels much safer posting here and asking him questions from the shadows on a street that Vause never walks down. Now he is doing the same thing with this JD guy. I wonder why he is afraid of direct talks?
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JD, like I said, there's nobody else here but the people trying to communicate about AARC, and you and a couple of AARColytes who have something to hide. Fornits has been useful for the exchange of information, but it's not vital. The Fifth Estate didn't find out about AARC because of Fornits. ISACCorp has been looking at them for years, and the former AARC clients who were subjected to quackery and violations of their rights in AARC are less afraid of AARC than they were in years past. Dangerous freaks like the former AARC staffer who has been harassing women on Fornits for years are coming to the attention of the authorities, and the list of former clients who have killed themselves, or committed violent crimes is growing and drawing attention. I don't have any questions for Dean Vause. He's got a twenty year history of falsely selling himself as a mental health professional and expert in treating adolescent "addiction". I am not interested in hearing what he has to say. AARC's position gets shakier every day, JD, but your son doesn't get any less dead. Pick up that phone and call the live one.
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JD, like I said, there's nobody else here but the people trying to communicate about AARC, and you and a couple of AARColytes who have something to hide. Fornits has been useful for the exchange of information, but it's not vital. The Fifth Estate didn't find out about AARC because of Fornits. ISACCorp has been looking at them for years, and the former AARC clients who were subjected to quackery and violations of their rights in AARC are less afraid of AARC than they were in years past. Dangerous freaks like the former AARC staffer who has been harassing women on Fornits for years are coming to the attention of the authorities, and the list of former clients who have killed themselves, or committed violent crimes is growing and drawing attention. I don't have any questions for Dean Vause. He's got a twenty year history of falsely selling himself as a mental health professional and expert in treating adolescent "addiction". I am not interested in hearing what he has to say. AARC's position gets shakier every day, JD, but your son doesn't get any less dead. Pick up that phone and call the live one.
Thank you for updating us. Of course you have no facts as usual to back up what you say and that is why I am here to point these problems out.
anyone can come on here and say "So and so has been pretending to be a doctor for 20 years!!" , "His wife is overweight". The president of Honda motor corp could have weight issues but that doesnt relect on the quality of the automobiles... but you don see that. He may not even have a drivers license. You just dont know how to debate the issues with relevant facts. As long as AARC is effectively treating people and they have an 85% success rate who cares how much people weigh or what their degree is in.
Now go spend some time with your kid. Turn off the porn and let him have a normal childhood for a change. If you read to him he may forget how you abuse him.
And JD, if you are listening, go call your son.
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JD, you're not making your kid any less dead by carrying on here. The more time you waste lashing out here, the less time you will have to try to reconcile with the child you haven't managed to kill.
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JD, you're not making your kid any less dead by carrying on here. The more time you waste lashing out here, the less time you will have to try to reconcile with the child you haven't managed to kill.
Has everyone noticed that Ajax's posts are starting to soften a little. They still lack factual info, as usual, but they are less harsh when he is frustrated. One can only hope this is also refleceted on the handling of his own son.
JD, take a lesson from Ajax here. Change is possible!! Pick up the phone now and call your son.
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When you say "everyone", are you under the impression that there is a group of people reading your posts that somehow missed where you tried to derail the thread? If somebody were following this thread, they would have seen it derail once you tried to obscure the fact that I have been in contact with journalists in Vancouver and and Calgary who have admitted that coverage of AARC is managed to avoid drawing negative attention to the organization.
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When you say "everyone", are you under the impression that there is a group of people reading your posts that somehow missed where you tried to derail the thread? If somebody were following this thread, they would have seen it derail once you tried to obscure the fact that I have been in contact with journalists in Vancouver and and Calgary who have admitted that coverage of AARC is managed to avoid drawing negative attention to the organization.
Actually, everyone who has been reading along knows the thread was derailed by your personal attacks on this JD guy. You are the only one talking about him. The rest of us were trying to stay on topic.
We had concluded that the journalists left out any mention of Evans association with AARC because it was a non issue. This fact upset you so you decided to derail the thread by throwing personal attacks at JD and his family. This is similar to what you did with Vause when you were proven wrong about his education.
Facts always seem to trip you up so you avoid them. Its your m.o.
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I have to agree with this John C. guy. The journalists have spoken with their written word and they believe the AARC connection is a non issue. These are the facts, Ajax. Your private phone calls dont hold water. Unless you can produce some evidence you have nothing.
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Well, no. I have explained what I was told by journalists in Vancouver and Calgary, specifically in relation to AARC, and in two instances, specifically related to AARC and Andy Evans. Feel free to disbelieve my account. In the complete absence of facts contradictory to what I stated, as always, your repeated attempt to bury the statement that I made certainly reenforces my oft-stated conclusion that AARC and those who work on behalf of AARC and the Leader are forced to resort to deception in order to prevent the truth from coming out. As far as personal attacks go, you killed your son JD. That's a fact. Stating so is not an attack, unless the truth hurts.
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Well, no. I have explained what I was told by journalists in Vancouver and Calgary, specifically in relation to AARC, and in two instances, specifically related to AARC and Andy Evans. Feel free to disbelieve my account. In the complete absence of facts contradictory to what I stated, as always, your repeated attempt to bury the statement that I made certainly reenforces my oft-stated conclusion that AARC and those who work on behalf of AARC and the Leader are forced to resort to deception in order to prevent the truth from coming out.
You dont have to take everything so personally Ajax13. It is just a discussion. Just because I dont believe you doesn’t mean I am derailing the thread. I have been on topic the whole time. I have spoken to the journalists and they supported their writings 100%. They were not swayed by AARC like you would have the readers believe. The articles that they wrote are the factual evidence. Until another article is written we need to stay with what we have and that is there is no relevant connection between Evans and AARC in the eyes of the Media.
As far as personal attacks go, you killed your son JD. That's a fact. Stating so is not an attack, unless the truth hurts.
Well it is an attack, Ajax. You don’t think ridiculing Vauses son and the weight conditions of various board members isn’t an attack? You dont think that talking about this JD guy isn’t derailing the thread?
If I remind you that just a few days ago you admitted that you watched porno films with your kid in the room and earlier mentioned that he is acting out sexually in school. You don’t think these are off topic remarks? Do they relate to the topic of AARC? Think about it, Ajax. Try to debate with facts instead of trashing people when you get frustrated.
Now if you have any evidence other than what the reporters wrote we need to stay with the conclusion that Evans' time at AARC was not relevant to his present condition.
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I honestly don’t see how if Evans worked at a car dealership or fast food restaurant how that would be relevant to him killing a person overseas somewhere. What bases would the journalists have in trying to make a connection like this? Does selling cars or working at McDonalds somehow make a person more violent? Maybe it was his time playing Rugby? The journalists seem to think this was more relevant than his time at AARC or McDonalds.
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JD, there is no "we". There's just you. You can make whatever conclusion you want, but you are a lazy motherfucker and can't be bothered to contact the journalists and editors with whom I have bothered to get in touch in the last two years. You killed your son JD. That's a fact. Why you would perceive the statement of that fact as an attack is not my concern. Here is another fact. The reporter who first covered Evans' arrest in 2007 was given instructions on managing the story, beginning right after Evans was arrested. I heard this directly from the reporter, and another person interested in AARC was told the same thing. In 2005, I heard directly from a reporter at the Calgary Herald that the Herald would not cover the alleged abuses in AARC because it would embarass AARC's benefactors. You can draw whatever conclusion you want about the Vancouver Sun's failure to cover the Evans trial, but Gary Bellett is fully aware of Evans connection to AARC and Bellet wrote a fawning article about AARC a couple of years ago. By all means feel free to provide statements from those same journalists that contradict what I say, or don't. Your opinion may be that the fact that Andy Evans is a former AARC counselor is irrelevant to the story, it's not mine, and it wasn't the opinion of anonAARCgrad. Again, because you are lazy in addition to deranged, you tried to bury the statement of facts that I made about my exchanges with these reporters with your opinion. You can't win. You're trying to stifle the exchange of information, but it's impossible. After the Fifth Estate story, the phony concept of AARC that was sold to people for almost 20 years exploded, gone forever. The truth shall out, and your son shall still be one dead victim of a shitty father.
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I think everyone is making way too big a deal on where this guy worked before. It really doesnt matter what he did or where he worked. What is important is why he did it and the circumstances around the killing.
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JD, we already heard your opinions. anonAARCgrad was of the opinion that something interesting would happen once journalists became aware of the connection of a number of violent criminals to AARC. I pointed out that the journalists in Calgary and in Vancouver are already aware that these people are AARC graduate, but pressure is exerted on the journalists not to expose AARC to bad publicity. Call your non-dead son JD.
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Your opinion may be that the fact that Andy Evans is a former AARC counselor is irrelevant to the story, it's not mine, and it wasn't the opinion of anonAARCgrad.
Ajax, your opinion is well taken. It seems there are 2 people yourself and anonAARCGrad who feel this way. If you bother to read the news articles and speak with the journalists you will find out that the connection to AARC just inst relevant. The guy held multiple positions prior to moving (not just AARC). There is no motivation on the journalists part to try to connect Evans motive to any one job he held in the past. Why would they try to do this? This is unclear.
Again you are entitled to your opinion but the people investigating just dont see it the same way you do. When I say we I am referring to myself , the journalists and the people who are intimate with the investigation. If you have any facts to present then toss them on the table and we can take a look. But the facts stake up differently than your beliefs. Sorry I cant agree with you on this one.
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Call your non-dead son JD.
You and JD should talk get and compare notes. You both suck at raising kids. Between Ajaxs porn and abuse to JD killing his wife and son you have alot in common. Get a fucking room!!!
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Your confusion of beliefs with reality is what led to the death of your son JD. It is not my opinion that I was told that AARC coverage by journalists is managed, it is a fact. As with all those who have attempted to stifle the exchange of information about AARC, you don't have any facts, you just have your opinion, which you attempt to pass off as a fact. If you had not been such a lazy fuck, and had found out the facts about the B Mods you put your kids in, perhaps you might have one less dead son.
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Your confusion of beliefs with reality is what led to the death of your son JD. It is not my opinion that I was told that AARC coverage by journalists is managed, it is a fact. As with all those who have attempted to stifle the exchange of information about AARC, you don't have any facts, you just have your opinion, which you attempt to pass off as a fact. If you had not been such a lazy fuck, and had found out the facts about the B Mods you put your kids in, perhaps you might have one less dead son.
I have spoken to them directly, I have read the articles and all the journalists stand behind what they have written. If you can find one journalist who does not then I challenge you to bring them on here to state that. The press is there to write what is relevant and factual (by your own words). We need to rely on those until some other facts surface. Your private discussions just dont cut it and cannot over ride what the journalists decided to write.
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Your opinion may be that the fact that Andy Evans is a former AARC counselor is irrelevant to the story, it's not mine, and it wasn't the opinion of anonAARCgrad.
Ajax, your opinion is well taken. It seems there are 2 people yourself and anonAARCGrad who feel this way. If you bother to read the news articles and speak with the journalists you will find out that the connection to AARC just inst relevant. The guy held multiple positions prior to moving (not just AARC). There is no motivation on the journalists part to try to connect Evans motive to any one job he held in the past. Why would they try to do this? This is unclear.
Again you are entitled to your opinion but the people investigating just dont see it the same way you do. When I say we I am referring to myself , the journalists and the people who are intimate with the investigation. If you have any facts to present then toss them on the table and we can take a look. But the facts stake up differently than your beliefs. Sorry I cant agree with you on this one.
If Evans was a lone abberation, perhaps you would be correct. But their are a series of murderers and thugs who are graduates of AARC who were pretty normal teenagers prior to going into AARC. believe me, there are more than 2 people looking into this coincidence.
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The Calgary man who pleaded guilty in the death of his drug dealer was sentenced yesterday to six years in prison but he will only serve two years and three months.
Justice Sandy Park refused Jason Malin Woods' lawyer's suggestion his client be given a two-for-one credit for the time he spent in jail while the case was before court.
"I decline to allow the two-for-one credit," Park told Woods.
The 21-year-old man was convicted for his role in the death of Ali Khamis.
Woods' lawyer argued Woods played a smaller role in the June 6, 2006, death of Khamis than his accomplices Justin Gittens and Cody Bates.
All three pleaded guilty to manslaughter.
Park said he didn't allow the requested credit because Woods was on both probation and bail when Khamis was gunned down outside the Shawnessy community centre.
But Park gave Woods a 45-month credit for the time he served in jail. The judge also urged Woods to reform himself with the support he's getting from his mother, who was in court yesterday.
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Here's the above article's title, author, date, publisher and link for appropriate attribution and posterity's sake (ya never know! :D ):
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Drug dealer's killer given six-year jail term (http://http://www.calgarysun.com/news/alberta/2009/12/22/12237341-sun.html)
By RENATO GANDIA, CALGARY SUN
Last Updated: 22nd December 2009, 5:23am
The Calgary man who pleaded guilty in the death of his drug dealer was sentenced yesterday to six years in prison but he will only serve two years and three months.
Justice Sandy Park refused Jason Malin Woods' lawyer's suggestion his client be given a two-for-one credit for the time he spent in jail while the case was before court.
"I decline to allow the two-for-one credit," Park told Woods.
The 21-year-old man was convicted for his role in the death of Ali Khamis.
Woods' lawyer argued Woods played a smaller role in the June 6, 2006, death of Khamis than his accomplices Justin Gittens and Cody Bates.
All three pleaded guilty to manslaughter.
Park said he didn't allow the requested credit because Woods was on both probation and bail when Khamis was gunned down outside the Shawnessy community centre.
But Park gave Woods a 45-month credit for the time he served in jail. The judge also urged Woods to reform himself with the support he's getting from his mother, who was in court yesterday.
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