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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => New Info => Topic started by: FaceKhan on October 27, 2002, 05:15:00 PM
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Acadamy at Ivy Ridge
5428 State Highway 37
Ogdensburg, NY 13669
315-393-5930
Since I am going to school in NY now I am informing the NY child protection authorities, mental health agencies, and the local police in St. Lawrence County about this place and urge them to investigate. I really don't like the prospect of WWASP in the state I am living in.
[ This Message was edited by: Facekhan on 2002-10-27 14:43 ]
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Go for it!... tell us what happens.
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"Casa By the sea: I got the hell beat out of me by the following Mexicans: migel de la cruz, emauneual,efren,santeago,the director dace (American), Jason(old administration, now director of ivy ridge in new York)and Luke"
Here it mentions the new director of Ivy Ridge, maybe you could get some info from this article. Heres the link:
http://www.angelfire.com/rebellion/wasp/htmlcsasex (http://www.angelfire.com/rebellion/wasp/htmlcsasex)
Thanks,
Boarding Schoool Truth
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Boardingschool, where have you gone to? Just the other day you said you might have to go nomad. I didn't think it would happen so soon. Could not get on your "new" forum at www26.brinkster.com. :eek: :???:
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casa- i went to casa for 10 months. it was the worst place ive ever seen. i cried the first 6 months EVERY DAY! i was there for having an uncontrollable obsessive/anti social disorder known as asperger syndrome. often we didnt have toliet paper, we were refused medical treatments, i ended up with green discharge, pussy lumps growing on my legs, other girls were refused treatment for ingrown toenails etc... we were given subpar food...fat, grissle, bones...and we had to eat foods that would make the average person puke...and we were forced to eat it or wed be physically forced to sit against a wall with our hands out for days. i, being a goody two shoe only got up to a level 2 staff for having problems with laundry. most of the things i got had to do with speaking without permission, standing up without permission, looking out of line, not being fast enough, and sometimes because a mama just didnt like you. in fact i did make lots of friends there. i still talk with a girl who left level 3, just got level 4 the day of her leaving at parent weekend--the seminar. oh yes the weight issue. there was a girl. she came 100 pounds. she was about 180 pounds there. most girls gain upwards of about 20-30, even 40 pounds! i gained 5, but i wasnt skinny to begin with and i never did drugs. i was a computer nerd/virgin/never been drunk/no drugs/etc... one thing that i did like was that because of it im 15, almost 16 in the 12th grade with a 3.81 GPA. but that was all my work, not casas. i was always an overachiever. casa was a gulag, prison, concentration camp. its all true. if you read the most outrageous horror story you can find about it, it is 100% true. no freedom of speech is allowed. you are not allowed to say anything of what happens to your own parents, or you are penalized and it never gets sent. you cant even speak english there! the mamas often dont care about you and they treat you like you are a dirty slug and they think you are inhuman. the horror stories are true.
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where is this place????
I believe that human beings arrive on this Earth wanting to know absolutely everything, and the best thing we can do as parents is to get out of the way -- just be there to let them know what opportunities are there
-- Dorothy Werner, media liaison for the National Homeschool Association
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Academy at Ivy Ridge
5428 State Highway 37
Ogdensburg, NY 13669
315-393-5930
:eek:
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Can you tell me what is wrong with Ivy Ridge?
Problems?
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What is wrong with Ivy Ridge? What are the problems? :???:
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Nothing is wrong with Ivy Ridge. My son is there and is doing well after being involved with drugs and drinking when at home. There are strict rules to teach accountability and to think about consequences of your actions but there is no abuse or anything close to abuse.
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To the person who sent her son there:
YOU HAVE NO IDEA.
I still haven't told my parents what went on in these schools. 15 years later. Parents and students are manipulated and brain washed. Its not about accountability... It often is abusive at these schools and trying to reassimilate afterward is very difficult.
Have you read the stories? THey are not lies.
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to the person who said their son is doing fine, he couldn't tell you otherwise I am sure.
"There are strict rules to teach accountability and to think about consequences of your actions but there is no abuse or anything close to abuse."
If I had a dollar for everytime I heard that, did you read it out of the handbook or did they have you memorize it?Locate the blind spot in the culture--the place where the culture isn't looking, because it dare not--because if it were to look there, its previous values would dissolve.
Terence McKenna
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Could you email me with your thoughts on ivy ridge? did your son go willingly? if not, how did you get hime there. thanks alot.
chelisek @aol.com
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Please keep an open mind. I know it's hard to believe but your son is incapable of telling you the horrors and abuse that he is being subjected to. He is threatened behind closed doors, he is brainwashed. He is belittled and it's all to keep him submissive, so he says the right things to you on the few times he sees you to convince you to keep him thier longer so more of your money or your insuranc company's money is spent on Ivy Ridge. Please, if you were to ask him if he was being abused - and I doubt they would give you the chance - he might say "no" out of fear that you were tricked into testing his loyalty to Ivy Ridge. Please save your son from these people.
Too many children grew up to young adults to commit suicide or become insane because of the physical and mental abuses of "programs" like this. It might be hard to admit that you've been tricked, used and conned by this program - but it will be harder to live with the damage a further stay will inflict upon your son.
Good Luck to you.
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Clearly the anti "boarders" never "got it" In other words they are still spewing their manipulative stuff. I have met several grads from Ivy and they are outstanding people. Parents, level one students have to earn priveleges and move up the levels. Some of these anti boarders never chose to leave level one. I am grateful to the dedicated staff at Ivy and other schools in the WWASP system. You are making a difference for the better in the lives of many. God Bless!
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I just have to say that is a lie with the abuse issue at A.I.R (academy at ivy ridge) there was abuse atleast once a day, and the sickest part most of the time it was with an individual who was disabled and they actually made this persons face bleed many times. It wasnt just like this with one person , many people got hit often. On my dads birthday i was sent to OP because i broke down due to the fact my dad died several years ago instead of taking the time aside and helping a person with this issue i got sent to OP and lost all my points and then was restrained because i felt there was no point of things because i just basicly lost all my "points" in their stupid little system because i broke down emotionally because of what i was dealing with, There are many flaws with this program. Like I said at any time if anyone has questions Email me at [email protected]
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Thats bullshit , i will tell you that i did learn somethings there as far as respect, but the ways they go for things are totally out of line , They have no right to strike another individual in any what way or form , physically or mentally so its obvious you are either a worker of a WWASP program or you have no idea ........ [email protected]
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PLEASE!!!
can you re-read what you wrote (below) and believe that it's okay to have a window of loss?? I wonder how programmed parents would react if they were in the program? ...they really are- but if they had to earn the right to go to the bathroom alone etc.? :sad:
I wouldn't bet on God blessing this program...(another principality maybe) because God cares about the least of us, the most hiddeous,the disfigured, the shut-in's and those that may never get off level one! (imagine that) How will he say you and the program have represented his interests to these captive children?
anon wrote earlier .....
Clearly the anti "boarders" never "got it" In other words they are still spewing their manipulative stuff. I have met several grads from Ivy and they are outstanding people. Parents, level one students have to earn priveleges and move up the levels. Some of these anti boarders never chose to leave level one.
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Well you are obviously being lied to , i spent a year and a half there.
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I happen to know of at least seven different employees there who have been arrested for a variety of reasons in their personal lives. Some I know very personally- unfortunately. These workers don't even care about their OWN kids, let alone someone else's. One Parent Coordinator's kid even committed suicide after being abused. Are these people who we want looking after our kids???? SOMEONE SHOULD CHECK THIS PLACE OUT.
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I happen to know of at least seven different employees there who have been arrested for a variety of reasons in their personal lives. Some I know very personally- unfortunately. These workers don't even care about their OWN kids, let alone someone else's. One Parent Coordinator's kid even committed suicide after being abused. Are these people who we want looking after our kids???? SOMEONE SHOULD CHECK THIS PLACE OUT.
There is abuse there and all I can say is that the people living in the surrounding areas DO NOT like having that school there.
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yo my friend Drew Coldiron got sent to this place like a year ago and he's supposed to be back in like a week and me and my friends don't know how to approach the situation because they never in a year let any of us contact him. I think the whole system is wack my boy was at cross creek for like two years and he's back doing the same dumb shit i don't even think it works E-Mail me or IM me and [email protected]
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Who are you talking about, what 7 employees?
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its all true i was there from wen ivy ridge started tuntil dec.28 2002 lol bet theyll figure out who i am if they read this buti dont care they cant hurt me anymore im home and have been for 12 months. the program only teaches u to b sumbissive and a really big FAKE well it doesnt teach u it forces you humiliates you dehumanizes you yea its all true there are hundreds of accounts of kids from these programs are they all lying?some mayb most no if not physicaly abused then mentally in my case i will forever b different n no not a good way
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my email is [email protected]
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I happen to work at Academy at Ivy Ridge. Let me just say that the program can work, but immature, self-centered students who don't want to follow the rules, untrained, incompetent staff (not all of them, but enough to make a difference), and indifferent, ignorant administration make it difficult, if not impossible. The program itself isn't flawed, but the people in it sure as hell are. I could tell you so many stories about all the rampant stupidity taking place at the Ridge, both involving students and staff, but I'm sure it won't make a lick of difference to anyone listening anyway.
My best advice is if you're a student, stop whining and blaming everyone else for your problems, and just try to learn a sense of respect and personal accountability. If you're at a place like Ivy Ridge, chances are you did something to put you there. So quit being a fat baby about it and grow up.
As for parents who have or are considering sending their kids to an institution like this, don't. You're better off doing what it takes to guide your son or daughter back to a productive path on your own. If you can't, don't know how, or don't want to, you're sad. Put your kid up for adoption now so someone who knows better or cares can raise him or her up to be an upstanding individual. It'll be the best thing for both you and the kid.
If you're staff, your job probably sucks as much as mine. But if it's really that bad, look for a better one and quit taking your problems out on the people around you. In your position, you have the lives of some 400+ children in your hands. Maybe not all at once, but if you're there long enough, you'll end up touching the lives of each and everyone one of those kids at some point or another. Whether that will be for better or worse is up to you. If you're there just for the money, and couldn't care less what happens to the children under your care, you should be looking for another job, regardless of your opinions towards your workplace or your position within it.
In the unlikely event that any of the Ivy Ridge administrators are reading this, take it from me. A lot of shenanigans are taking place in the lower ranks of the Ivy Ridge staff, regardless of what you may be hearing via status reports or supervisor testimonial. Much of it is very detrimental to the well-being of the students and even the other staff. The ranks of the nightwatch, dorm parents, and even the upper-level advisory staff are rife with corruption. Some of your own supervisors, assigned to maintain order among the majority of the bottom-level staff are actively contributing to the disorder and blatant disregard for school policy being displayed on a daily basis. If it's within your power, you need to take a serious look at what takes place on a day to day basis among the dorm parents, night staff, and their respective supervisors. Oh, and cameras in dorm two would be nice. Everything that happens over there is open game. The staff know it and the students know it. There's something rotten in Denmark, if you know what I mean. Maybe it can't be helped, but it's definitely worth a second look.
Anyway, as far as Ivy Ridge itself, it's got it's problems, but it's not the cause of our problems. Places like that only thrive because no one wants to take accountability for their own actions. Not the kids. Not the parents. Not even the staff assigned to put order to it all. So quit passing the buck, and do what you have to do to make things right in your life, whatever that may be. Thank you.
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That is exactly why the school should have state oversite if it does not already.
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No abuse?
Keep telling yourself that, Mom. I suggest if you have a child up there, you make a surprise visit--see what happens at that place--the beatings, the drugs, the anal searches, the unsafe and filthy unsanitary conditions, the insane rules, the kind of treatment that will destroy any confidence or creativity your child may have had. What you will have when he/she gets out is either a mindless robot, or a kid so angry he won't know what to do with it.
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where do you get your information from? or are you just a former student? because if that is the case then I will assume that is where your accusations come from
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:wstupid:
Anal searches? Are you completely out of touch with reality? This is Northern NY, not WWII Stalingrad, fuckhead. I've been working at Ivy Ridge for a year now and I've seen the staff step out of line from time to time, but I've never seen any anal searches, drug misconduct, or health threats. Ivy Ridge has it's problems, but it's still just a school, not the concentration camp you make it out to be. Now either back up your claims with specific reports, or shut the fuck up, you bleeding-heart moron.
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Someone should close this place down. You are very brave to report it.
Good Luck with the rest of your life.
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It sounds like the Director was abusive to the children at the last home ""Casa By the sea". If this is the case he should be investigated and fired if appropriate. We do not need to "abuse" to teach. Maybe they need a cvisit from "Super Nanny" or "Nanny 911"
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I was considering sending my son to Ivy Ridge, but I took the time to do some checking into these so called "Specialty Schools." There is abuse at EVERY SCHOOL under the umbrella of TEEN HELP!! I am interested to know how it is that you know FOR SURE that your son is being treated well at Ivy Ridge, and that there is no abuse going on? How long has he been there? Have you seen him since he's been there? Have you attended the Discovery Seminar yet? If you have attended the seminar I would like to know what your experience at this, (what I have heard to be a cult-like seminar) was like? IF you are soley basing your answer to the question "What is wrong with Ivy Ridge" on what the staff are telling you, then I would get on a plane or in your car and get there ASAP, and get your son the hell out of there, before it's too late!!
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Okay so anal searches never happened.. thats definately an exageration.
FOR THE STAFF MEMBER:
I'm intrigued to know which staff member is posting here.. I might have hated you at the ridge, but I must say that I respect your honesty on this forum. The bottom line is that the majority of the people they hire are the same people you'd see getting into a bar room fight. They take out their anger on the students, for two reasons. One, because they can... Two, because, simply put, they just dont like us! I attended Ivy Ridge for awhile, and it was the absolute worst experience of my life. No nightmare I've ever had can surpass some of my worst days at Ivy Ridge. I'll never forget how I felt, and how fast my heart was beating as I watched George Tulip, Tim Reed, and another staff come chasing at me while I was simply sitting on the floor in intervention. The feeling I felt before They jumped on top of me. I'll never forget Justin Strade a 12 year old kid from florida, who looked younger then my average sized 8 yr old brother , being jumped on by 3 full sized men. You say the program can work. Well by god I believe you. If you put anyone or anything in a controlled environment, and tell it what to do all day by physical force and mental punishment.. well eventually it's going to do what you want! But, you must remember, it's doing it for you, and not for their self. So in other words its not going to mean shit a year down the road when they're released. Anyways, I'm definately curious as to who you are, anonymous staff. I think you may have been one of the few staffmembers I actually looked up to. You dont have to tell me who you were, I'm just curious if you knew who I was. My name is Chris G and I was in Quest Family under Leslie Bass and later Dan Buckley... You probably knew me... I was quite the "troublemaker" haha
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Hey-my name is Elizabeth Schlidt. I attended AIR from April 1, 2002 to February 29, 2004. I have been home, going to college doing pretty good. I have recently been doing some writing about AIR, and have found it entertaining, depressing, and occasionally irritating to hear what ex students, graduates, parents, etc. have to say about the place I gave close to two years of my life to. Some of it is true, and some of it is BS. Anyhow-to the point-if anyone has stories from Ivy Ridge, girl's side or boy's side, I'd be interested in hearing them if I don't already know them. I am in the process of writing a book. I don't expect it to be done anytime soon, but I sure would appreciate your help. Thanks!
Elizabeth
[email protected]
307-258-7970
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hey i attended AIR for 10 months about a year ago. . . how long ago were you there? email me at [email protected]
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wow ... elizabeth idk if you'll remember me ... i was one of your hope buddies, krystina stocki ... email me if you get the chance [email protected]
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Hi my name is Leah SWigert- I was the 5th girl to arrive at IVY RIDGE- If you remember me please e-mail me some time
[email protected]
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accually i knew a kid in my group from queens that took an anal search it was in the early part of the program, and it was over the shank incident before i entered AIR (Jan. 3rd 2003) but in the early rule book the process of an anal search was strippin down into a towel (or boxers, pullin your legs somewhat apart and jumping up and down a few times.
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everyone had to jump up and down during intake. thats true. they would either make you do it in boxers or in the towel. i had to do it in boxers
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First of all MOM you have no idea wtf goes on there...so shut your mouth :flame:
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uh....where did that come from>??
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On 2005-02-11 11:38:00, JamerZawski wrote:
"accually i knew a kid in my group from queens that took an anal search it was in the early part of the program, and it was over the shank incident before i entered AIR (Jan. 3rd 2003) but in the early rule book the process of an anal search was strippin down into a towel (or boxers, pullin your legs somewhat apart and jumping up and down a few times."
What was the shank incident?
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I would like to thank the employee of ivy ridge who posted. About the only intelligent post here. I especially like the part about give your kids up for adoption. How true. The mother of my kid stuck her in ivy ridge to get out of paying me childsupport. I'm pissed. I am 46yrs old. I was placed in a real boarding school when I was 6yrs. old Iwas there till I was 14 and told my mother to go to hell. I t took me 2 weeks and a threat to her mother to finally find out where she had put her. It took another 2weeks to get the tour of the place. I have filed for custody.Is there abuse going on a ivy ridge. I guarentee it. I could see it before I ever left my house for the 6hr ride to get there. I have the letters from my daughter telling me not to take her mother to court and try to get her out of the "school" This pissed me off. A real "school" would never have allowed her to know what I was doing. Ask any counselor in the world and they would tell you it was wrong. Excuse my french but read your fucking handbook that you were given on page 12 about manipulation. I was then allowed to go to the school for a tour. I have been a few places in my life. I was an over the road truckdriver. Odgensburg, NY . Been there before the middle of nowwhere. Real onehorse town. ivy ridge will put this town on the map.Probably one ofthe largest employers in the town I do the tour bullshit. I was walking down the hall and the kids would sneak glances at me. I asked about that. I was told until they get to a certain "level" you can't talk. Holly shit, you take a dog to obiedence school and at least he can bark. You know what, I don't have the time to tell you dumb ass parents about it .I have been in Jail (for childsupport) and boarding school for 9yrs and ivy ridge. That is also the degree of dificulty. Jail is a piece of cake . Boarding school sucked and ivy ridge is the bottom of the fucking barrell. If you are a parent reading this, use your fucking yuppy head. You tell your kids you don't want them to grow up and work in Micky D's, Who do you think is taking care of your kids. I went to a bar whileI was there and talked to some people.what a joke.Think of this, where you work, you have good and bad employees. Do you think this shit hole is any different. I went to a so called respectable boarding school. There was sexual abuse there and this was in the 60's. Get you head out of your ass. Can you really be this fucking stupid. You work at a job what happens when you have somebody with power. Your boss, or somebody elses boss. Do some of them abuse the power?? Do cops, judges,teachers and even the asshole security guard abuse there power. Put anybody incontrol of somebody and there is the potential for abuse. Now, take the mentality of some of the employees of ivy ridge. You dumb asses. Do you honestly think that one of these hillbillies wouldn't take a blowjob for a smoke. Hell,our one fucken president did it. Where was the secret service?? This place is supposed to be above that? I have been there done that. Do I still have the scares from when I was in a boarding school. Hell yes, 35 yrs later. You ass holed have more money than brains. Insted of the 2cars and the big house you should of spent somemoney on learning how to be a parent. You invented the word TIME OUT. Now you assholes invented the saying, My kid is out of control. Never heard that when I was growing up.Hey, put the kid on ridlin, he must have a problem. You are the fuckin problem. ivy ridge says the kids made poor choices. The kid had no choice to have a stupid parents. Sorry to go off but I hate yuppys and stupid people. They both blame others for there problems. I used to see the yuppies at my daughter's sports events, Usually standing there talking to another ashole about there job, there new house, cars,... Hey, asshole , your kid just scored a goal. They are the ones who say that they don't know what went wrong with so and so's kid . He came from a good family. Nice neighborhood and gave him or her everything. You know who you are. You sent your kid to a place, Not a school. They cheat to get your kid through school. Your kid is home schooled. If you are so fucking smart, have one of the parents stay home and teach the kid. Save the $ 40,000.00 plus cash. Remember this is equal to making$60,000.00. No don't, you were dumb enough to send your kid to ivy ridge your too stupid to educate them. Shit you too stupid to be a parent. Remember, you are the minority, there are a hell of alot more good parents than bad. Hey, the next time you go out to eat at Micky D's or the country club look at the person who waites on you and tell him that you have more money than him but, he will probably be a better parent. And, for the kids who got out of these places. When you turn 18 get a lawyer. Sue you parents, they fucked you. They put you on this earth and didn't do there job. They had choices. abortion, adoption. But they chose to fuck you up themselves. If your still in ivy ridge, I know you wont be reading this. Also, I would be glad to take a couple kids at my house. You give me custody will call the $40,000.00 childsupport and it will be tax free to me. I will teach you kid what he or she needs to know. [email protected]
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Do you have court order visitations? if is you should go make sure every visit is taken. If you get a entire weekend take her off campus and out of state even. WWASP will not put up with this and will kick her out. Also if you go this route make sure you have your divorce papers that spell out the visits and if they try to deny you a visit the police have to help enforce your visit.
Also if you have partial custidy you can pull her from Ivy Ridge yourself even, you dont need her monthers permission. Just be prepared for a court battle.
E-mail me at [email protected] and i will try to help you.
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He cannot take his kid out of the school for visits unless he has custody. They will not allow it, trust me. Unless he goes to court and gets custody he cannot see his kid until she is at level 4, and even then he will be required to go to the Discovery seminar, and he will also have to be approved by the facility (who will consult the mother who has custody) before he can even take her off campus, let alone see her. WWASP won't kick her out, they just won't let him see her. It is a great game they play.
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my friend just got sent to ivy ridge about 6 days ago. His parents were assholes and told him they were taking him to the baseball hall of fame and then tokk him to the school. If all this stuff is true about the abuse, then im concerned about my friend. Also, is there any way i could contact him without the staff knowing??? Any help would be appreciated.
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LOL what is funny is that I see things on here that say "you don't know what goes on there" and then others saying "I guarantee there is abuse". This comming from someone who has no personal experience of the school. Academy at Ivy Ridge is no walk in the park, nor is it advertised that way. Some of my best friends attended that school and now have chance at a successfull, peacful life. I assure you (from personal experience in one of the WWASP schools) that the staff take much more abuse from the teens there than anything that you might call abuse towards the teens. I spent more than 2 years in one of these schools, and beleive you me I would be DEAD or in jail if i hadn't. I am more than 3 years sober now and making my own in the world with a 4.0 in college. So when you continue to bash the schools and claim facts, make sure you add this fact to your list.
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We have a guy that was in JAIL telling us that Ivy Ridge is abusive. Wow what credibility he has... (cough cough). Just to clarify Mr. Jail man, you are not allowed to speak out of turn at all... and I don't know if you know this but humans are smarter than dogs we know how to listen... most of us anyway. New teens are not permitted to speak to other new teens becuase it cuts down on the chances of the teens still activly in resistance to plot running away or harming someone. I agree (though not from personal experience) that jail is a peice of cake compare to one of these schools. No offense though buddy, in experiencing your fowal language and disrespect to others, I would say that Ivy Ridge has done more good to the teens than Jail did to you.
Hope that gives you somthing to chew on. I look forward to your disrepectful comments in the future as I'm sure you will give them. :smile:
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On 2005-03-02 10:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"We have a guy that was in JAIL telling us that Ivy Ridge is abusive.
I've heard that quite often with respect to these places from many different people. IMO that DOES give them a lot of credibility. Think about that. Jail v. TCs and they'd rather be in jail.
New teens are not permitted to speak to other new teens becuase it cuts down on the chances of the teens still activly in resistance to plot running away or harming someone.
So then how is this "resistance" (you call it resistance I call in trying desperately to hold onto some semblance of sanity in a fucking lunatic asylum) broken down???
I agree (though not from personal experience) that jail is a peice of cake compare to one of these schools.
First you doubt what "jail-man" has to say and then you say this????? I'm confused, but the fact that this doesn't bother you says quite a bit.
Thought that is silenced is always rebellious. Majorities, of course, are often mistaken. This is why the silencing of minorities is necessarily dangerous. Criticism and dissent are the indispensable antidote to major delusions.
-- ALAN BARTH, The Loyalty of Free Men, 1951.
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On 2005-03-02 10:22:00, Cayo Hueso wrote:
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On 2005-03-02 10:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"We have a guy that was in JAIL telling us that Ivy Ridge is abusive.
I've heard that quite often with respect to these places from many different people. IMO that DOES give them a lot of credibility. Think about that. Jail v. TCs and they'd rather be in jail.
New teens are not permitted to speak to other new teens becuase it cuts down on the chances of the teens still activly in resistance to plot running away or harming someone.
So then how is this "resistance" (you call it resistance I call in trying desperately to hold onto some semblance of sanity in a fucking lunatic asylum) broken down???
I agree (though not from personal experience) that jail is a peice of cake compare to one of these schools.
First you doubt what "jail-man" has to say and then you say this????? I'm confused, but the fact that this doesn't bother you says quite a bit.
Thought that is silenced is always rebellious. Majorities, of course, are often mistaken. This is why the silencing of minorities is necessarily dangerous. Criticism and dissent are the indispensable antidote to major delusions.
-- ALAN BARTH, The Loyalty of Free Men, 1951.
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Crazy Mac at it again!!!! :nworthy: Ardent advocates of prohibition were obsessed by a zeal that bordered on fanaticism. They supported politicians who voted to outlaw liquor, no matter how much of it they privately consumed, and spurned politicians who voted against prohibition, no matter how sober they were personally.
Sen. Sam Ervin, Preserving The Constitution
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The new students have plenty of other students there to talk to. Teens that have been there a while and are not viewed as at risk for violence or running away can speak to whom ever they want.
Here is how "resistance" is broken down. When I say broken down please be clear that I mean this is how the level of resistnace is viewed in each student, NOT how they break students down. Certain rules have differnt consequences. Swearing is going to be differt from throwing a fist obviously. The students gain points for good behavior and are deducted points for negative actions. They can gain more privlagess the more points they have. When students continue to go up in points they are viewed as not in so much resistance as the teens that are not gaining any points. The teens actually give themselves the points, and the staff goes over the grading with students and talk about any disagreements. Because is all honesty (and this is from personal experience. I will stay away from assuming about other things as you have asked.) all the students really need to do is follow the rules. Some staff are jerks. No doubt about it. If you can be open to this thought though listen for a second... while there are staff memebers that can be jerks, there are jerks out there in the world as well. I'm sure there is some one in your workplace that you do not like. You have to learn to deal with them though. Same goes for the students. before I went to one of these schools, I personally would make other peoples lives a living hell if I didn't like them. On a very real basis (and this is opinion) no one deserves to be treated with great disrespect no matter how much you hate them. The harsh reality, it DOES SUCK to be in one of those schools. I have heard plenty of stories about abuse at the school I was at... from students that I was there with... and I witnessed what happens. Example... when a student picks up his school desk up above his head screaming swear words and how he was going to kill someone because they made him mad the staff restrained him. Let me describe for you in detail the restraint that I witnessed so we are 100% clear. There were 2 staff and both of them rushed at him, oen grabing his arms and the other yanking the desk out of his hands. When the desk was out of harms way they both took hold of him and brought him to the floor. I did not witness any unnessisary ruffness here. I think the staff did the best they could with this teen fighting back. The teen in laying flat on his stomach at this time and one staff sits on his legs so he cannot kick. The other one on his lower back (so they can still breath) and holds his arms to the side. They do this until the teen has calmed down (typically when the adrenaline stops rushing though you). They either clear the area around the student of any objects they can get ahold of or they take them to a room away from the other students. They are there until they can deminstrate the ability to act civalized and have not had any outburst for a period of time. I want to let you guys know that every staff memeber goes through a certification process every year called M.A.T.T. training. This is the process of defending themselves and restraint. There is no punching kicking or anything else close to that. I have also be restrained, and while it wasn't the most fun thing in the world, it was not abusive in any way shape or form.
To clear up the brainwashing, I don't think it's done. Course I suppose I could be brainwashed :razz: . But the way I look at it, I could still be dealing drugs and all the lame stuff... or I can be where I am now, with a full time job, living on my own, paying my bills with a beautiful girlfriend and straight A's in college. So if they did brainwash me... GOOD
It is clear that we all do not have the same opinion here.
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Just out of curiosity how long have you been out of the program, and how long were you there for, and why were you sent there?
I am asking, not to be rude, but because a lot of people don't remember the bad things that happened while you were there, and don't want to admit that it was not picture perfect.
I am glad that you got something good out of it. There is good in everything,it is all what you make of it.
I do not advocate that it was for everyone. And I do know that it also depended on when you attended AIR and what side of the facility you were on.
-Elizabeth Schlidt
email [email protected]
I would be interested in talking to you. Email me if you'd like
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It was only a year ago and I could write a detailed book for just about every day there. I do agree that these schoools are not for everyone. It is very disapointing to me to see people bash these schools thought. I hated being at the school. I am not one to enjoy being told what to do. That is what happens though. But look how things turned out before I went to the program when I was telling myself what to do... I was doing/dealing drugs, stopped going to schools, getting in constant fights, lying, cheating, stealing, running from the cops, vandalizing... I got plenty more if you wanna talk about it.
I might add that I was 5'11 and 118 points (SKINNY) before the program. I am now 6'1 and about 155. I admit I am still skinny, but not unheathy. I dont drink any caffine nor do I drink anything carbonated. I don't smoke anything not even cigarettes any more. I ran varsity on the Cross Crountry team after I got in the program.
I'm realy good friends with a lot of people I was in the program with. I have yet to hear a negative report from a program graduate that is successful. Then again, we could be brainwashed.... :razz:
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Yea, I would like to talk to you.
I have also been home for a year, and am doing well. I graduated in Feb 04. When did you graduate.
I think that it is great that you are doing well, but I think that it is a mistake to think that these schools do the same thing for everyone. I find it ironic that the kids that were expected to do so well fell flat on their ass in the real world.
I was talking yesterday to a friend of mine, who got pulled on Level 5. She was one of the "scandalous" girls, who should have done the worse out of the kids she was supposed to graduate with. Instead, she is doing the best. It was not the program that changed your life..YOU DID.
Don't give credit where credit is not due. Maybe they assisted you, but you were the one that made the conscious decision to do something different with your life.
And as for being brainwashed...do your homework.
The seminars are run by former Lifespring members. Lifespring is a cult...surprise!
Your seminars included numerous techniques that were learned in a cult...surprise!
Good for you if your brainwashing helped...I say it did not. I helped myself.
[email protected]
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Let me just say yes, I was in jail. For what, for refusing to pay childsupport to a woman to destroy my child. Yes, jail was a joke. I was a hero to all the guards and half the other inmates who were there. They were all screwed by a woman for childsupport. It shouldn't be called childsupport, It should simplely be called payday for a dirtbag. My daughter was 3 at the time. Her mother was and still is a dirt bag. She comes from a dirtbag family. Her mother, her grandmother, her whole fucking family do nothing but use and abuse people for money. I always told the judges that rats will always breed rats. I didn't want my daughter to grow up and be like them. 13 yrs latter guess what, she is well on the way. With a choice between ivy ridge and her mother, it will be a toss up as to who will fuck her up worse. My kid was placed in ivy ridge so her mother wouldn't have to pay me childsupport. What a joke. This post goes to all you fuckin dirtbag single mothers who fucked up your kid and then placed them in ivy ridge.
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Hi - I worked at AIR for a year. I honestly can say I never saw anything "abusive" go on. As a NYS certified teacher I would have had to report it. I did see a lot of girls freak out, but I never saw anything bad happen to them. I had the opportunity to speak with lots of kids while I was there and many of them didn't like it there, but only b/c they couldn't be home. A lot of them learned to appreciate what they had at home. I still talk to several students from the school and they never have had anything negative to say. It is very possible some of the things I have read do occur, but I was fortunate enough to never witness any of them.
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Anyone employed by WWASP is forced to go through the Discovery seminar as a condition of employment. If these workers did see the abuse, which is very likely, they probably wouldn't recognize it as such.
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On 2005-03-05 08:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
I still talk to several students from the school and they never have had anything negative to say.
You must be joking!
I'm sure Castro and Hitler and Sadam all loved to believe the people loved them to death. Why, they always voted for them when given the chance and just look at all the posters and statues and murals. They must have loved them a whole lot, right?
What sane kid who escaped one of these gulags would risk you reporting their "non working" attitudes by telling you the truth about yourself?
Gimme a friggin break, lady! The clearest way into the Universe is through a forest wilderness.
-- John Muir
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Who is John Galt? :wink:
I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies.
--Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father and inventor
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So you were lying, cheating and stealing and being an asshole.Where were your parents? Ivy ridge is a good place for kids who have lousy parents. If your parents had done their job, you would not have been there. All you learned there was respect for yourself and other people. Something you never learned at home. If you should ever have to go to jail, you would find out that 90% of the people there are repeat customers. They can't survive on the outside but they do ok in jail because they haven't any choice.
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On 2005-03-05 23:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ivy ridge is a good place for kids who have lousy parents. If your parents had done their job, you would not have been there."
I agree with this wholeheartedly. My daughter acts out when I am doing something wrong, like not spending enough time with her. She's only six, but it applies to teenagers too. When I was 12, my parents didn't know I was failing all my classes for a whole year. What were they doing? Then they sent me away to solve al their problems.
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They started making staff go to discovery after I stopped working there in August 04. I know many teachers that work there that have not gone. It is the Family Reps. that HAVE to go. So, I guess you should get your facts straight!!
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To whom graduates in Feb 04. I graduated with you.
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This is the most pathetic waist of time I've ever witnessed. Stupid ass people pointing fingers at eachother left and right... lol this just cracks me up. Bullshit about brainwashing and CULTS! hahahahahaha.
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:nworthy:....I hear ya!
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"To who graduates in Feb 04, I graduated with you."
And you are whom?
-Elizabeth Schlidt
[email protected]
Feb 04 Graduate
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Look at your mail.
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My daughter is at Ivy Ridge and I keep a close eye on what is going on there and ask lots of questions. There has not been even an inkling of abuse or out of line treatment in our case.
The staff really seem to care and are very helpful. They are attentive to her needs both personally and medically.
There ARE clearly defined rules that the children must follow and there are punishments (Study Hall, loss of priveledges, etc) when rules aren't followed. The program is results based so the kids that choose to break rules or not participate in the seminars don't advance in the program.
So far, I'm very happy with Ivy Ridge and I'll continue to monitor the situation.
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On 2005-04-08 11:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
"My daughter is at Ivy Ridge and I keep a close eye on what is going on there and ask lots of questions. There has not been even an inkling of abuse or out of line treatment in our case.
The staff really seem to care and are very helpful. They are attentive to her needs both personally and medically.
There ARE clearly defined rules that the children must follow and there are punishments (Study Hall, loss of priveledges, etc) when rules aren't followed. The program is results based so the kids that choose to break rules or not participate in the seminars don't advance in the program.
So far, I'm very happy with Ivy Ridge and I'll continue to monitor the situation.
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You DON'T know the whole story. And going by what you write here, it doesn't look like you want to know. You seem very content with the bullshit you're being fed.
ALL of WWASP's gulags-- Ivy Ridge included-- are highly abusive. Do your research.
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I'm sure you do know the whole story... you beleive everything you read? Sounds like your a hypocrite. Speaking as a graduate from one of the programs that are quote "highly abusive"... I DO HAVE THE WHOLE STORY.... guess what... YOUR WRONG! You can make yoru pathetic little attemts to say that I'm brain washed or I turned the other cheek or what ever... the only person you are going to convince is yourself.
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Um...I think a lot of people are convinced...
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My Nephews just were sent to Ivy Ridge :cry: They too have parents that don't have a clue about being a parent. They are basically good kids, all they ever wanted was love, guidance, and parents that took the time with them instead of being wrapped up in their own worlds. It amazes me, people that are suppose to love you unconditionally can just toss kids to the wolves and never look back. Then claim its for their own good. Give me A Break! I pray they will be o.k. I too believe these schools are not in the best interest of children. God bless....
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Hey my name is Kyle and my brother just got sent to ivy ridge becuase of his authority problems, can you tell me any specifics about the place, and why it's bad? thanks.
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Hey my name is Kyle and my brother just got sent to ivy ridge becuase of his authority problems, can you tell me any specifics about the place, and why it's bad?. please e mail me also at [email protected]. thanks alot
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Kyle,
Unfortunately, Ivy Ridge is an abusive facility. Read up on Ivy Ridge and its parents organization here:
http://www.isaccorp.org (http://www.isaccorp.org)
For specific info about Ivy Ridge, go to the document library.
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On 2005-04-08 11:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
"My daughter is at Ivy Ridge and I keep a close eye on what is going on there and ask lots of questions. There has not been even an inkling of abuse or out of line treatment in our case.
The staff really seem to care and are very helpful. They are attentive to her needs both personally and medically.
There ARE clearly defined rules that the children must follow and there are punishments (Study Hall, loss of priveledges, etc) when rules aren't followed. The program is results based so the kids that choose to break rules or not participate in the seminars don't advance in the program.
So far, I'm very happy with Ivy Ridge and I'll continue to monitor the situation.
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Good idea ... just be sure and listen to what your child IS NOT SAYING for fear of pissing off program officials. Elite boarding school my ass. AIR was fined a million bucks for fraud, were they not? Ooops ... not supposed to talk about that, eh?
God help your kid and you, a naive parent who probably took out a second mortgage or wiped out your life savings to finance the miraculous transformation of your child from a normal (meaning defiant) teenager to a stepfordish loving, powerful, magical child.
God, what does it take to wake these parents up?
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Employees in every field: night shift, parent reps, etc. LOOK INTO THEIR QUALIFICATIONS!
LOOK INTO THEIR QUALIFICATIONS!
LOOK INTO THEIR QUALIFICATIONS!
LOOK INTO THEIR QUALIFICATIONS!
LOOK INTO THEIR QUALIFICATIONS!
They ARE NOT qualified!
- Do they hold credible degrees to work with problematic teens?
- Experience?
- Training?
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On 2005-09-07 14:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-04-08 11:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
"My daughter is at Ivy Ridge and I keep a close eye on what is going on there and ask lots of questions. There has not been even an inkling of abuse or out of line treatment in our case.
The staff really seem to care and are very helpful. They are attentive to her needs both personally and medically.
There ARE clearly defined rules that the children must follow and there are punishments (Study Hall, loss of priveledges, etc) when rules aren't followed. The program is results based so the kids that choose to break rules or not participate in the seminars don't advance in the program.
So far, I'm very happy with Ivy Ridge and I'll continue to monitor the situation.
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Good idea ... just be sure and listen to what your child IS NOT SAYING for fear of pissing off program officials. Elite boarding school my ass. AIR was fined a million bucks for fraud, were they not? Ooops ... not supposed to talk about that, eh?
God help your kid and you, a naive parent who probably took out a second mortgage or wiped out your life savings to finance the miraculous transformation of your child from a normal (meaning defiant) teenager to a stepfordish loving, powerful, magical child.
God, what does it take to wake these parents up?
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Not quite correct. They were fined $250,000. They were also ordered to refund $1 million in tuition to parents whose children received worthless diplomas. They were ordered to stop giving out these diplomas.
There was riot at AIR earlier in the year. Seventeen prisoners escaped. Some were charged by local police with inciting to riot. Rumor is some were 'expelled,' but really sent to Tranquility Bay.
Your daughter is in a private prison where she will be forced to be obedient and not released until she gives up every last vestige of independent thought. You will get what you want.
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HEY Elizabeth! i've been looking for ya for close to 2 years now punk! hit me up with a good email address i miss ya.
Nikkole
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Nikkole call me im at 8019159748! [email protected]
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i would advise anyone who thinks they have infomation about a waasp or any other boarding schools.. go and spend time there before you open your mouth.. my son is a midwest academy in Iowa,, such an incredible school and staff,, my son is doing very well ,, i have spent time there, thank you mwa...
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are you as ignorant as you sound,, thank you air,,for the help you provide to these troubled teens..
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As a Casa by the sea survivor, and seeing abuse RIGHT in front of me from LUKE HALLOWS sitting on top of a 14 year old LITTLE girl screaming and cussing at her in R and R will never leave my memory, or seeing the girls walk through the gates from High impact, where the WWASPS says they had NO affiliation with them!!! I cant belive this! PLEASE PARENTS!!!! THESE PROGRAMS HAVE SEMINARS THAT ARE ABUSIVE AND BRAIN WASHING YOUR POOR KIDS!!! I KNOW MORE THAN YOU KNOW! PLEASE EMAIL ME IF YOU HAVE ANY PERSONAL QUESTIONS THAT I CANT MENTION ON HERE, DUE TO MY FAMILY BEING A PART OF THIS HORRIBLE ABUSE. [email protected] THANK YOU
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