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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Who Am I Discovery/Whitmore => Topic started by: samoan_built on August 01, 2005, 03:16:00 AM

Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: samoan_built on August 01, 2005, 03:16:00 AM
mark and cheryl sudweeks are saints, and u people, the cops, and the judicial system are turning her into a child abuser, because a few rotten kids told the police some lies so they could get out of going away for a year. I went to the whitmore from november 17th 2003 to november 18th 2004 and i never have seen ne sort of child abuse ever. the only thing that happened while i was there was i was challenged to push my own limits to a place where i would succeed. the whitmore helped me turn myself from a stoner, to a leader. From a degenerate to a poet. from a habit strucken teen, to finding who ive always been. they are doing nothing but helping kids and giving them theiur hearts, and ur shoving it right back in their faces saying fuck you. they are taking whats bad in the world, and doing their best to make it good and ready to face the world. they took me in and gave me shelter from the storm. ur articles sicken me, and you can put up an article that says "Mark Ponte says fuck anyone that says a bad word about Mark, and Cheryl Sudweeks," and i will defend them to my death if need it be because they gave me my life back i owe it to them to do so and to say something about whats going on. I hope your are happy that you are ruining peoples lives, and if i am telling this to the wrong person, if i am preaching to the choir, then please guide me in the direction of the right person to say fuck you to.

sincerely

Mark Ponte



also i have something to say. my name is nate mckinley and i went to the whitmore from november 4th 03 to november 9th 04 and i just want to say that was the best year and five days of my life. i love mark and cheryl and i will defend their honor. the whitmore is my home and im gonna rep till my dying day. if anything i will say that i envy their children because their parents are the best people in the world.

and to the kids who have lost heart. im going to quote rob. love is a forever thing. and i hope you find your way back to that. because every kid who went to the whitmore in my time had love 4 mark and cheryl. and love really is a forever thing. jenna, im sorry you feel that way about it, but in your heart you will find the knowledge that cheryl and mark could never hurt a flea much less a kid.  i hope they read this because i bet they could use the boost in faith

mark and cheryl i am speaking for myself and mark ponte both when i say i love you guys, and always will. there is a place right up in heaven for you. i love you so much thank you for everything.
peace
nate
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 01, 2005, 10:12:00 AM
What a misplaced statement: Mark and Cheryl Sudweeks did not "take any kids in." They were PAID, and PAID GRANDLY by parents to provide education, and therapy for the children placed in their care. And the Whitmore Academy was to be a theraputic SCHOOL---not a HOME.  The Whitmore Academy was to provide a SERVICE, not some "family."
Saying words like I will "defend them to my death, and to my dying day....." is just the type of statements that make one step back and ask---what is going on at that place?
The CHARGES of abuse, and the the ongoing investigation by the State of Utah speak for themselves.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 01, 2005, 10:18:00 AM
YOU must be cheryl's kids...you talk just like her. Such LOVELY language. She must be proud, since you learned so well, and uphold her image so grandly.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: OverLordd on August 01, 2005, 11:15:00 AM
If they get into heaven, I'll kick them back to hell my self. ehh mormons dont get into heaven anyway, so why am I getting bothered.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 01, 2005, 11:24:00 AM
OK, where do the Mormons go?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 01, 2005, 11:48:00 AM
Nate and Mark,

Let's see, let me guess, "Dr. Bernie" asked you to post ........ or was it Cheryl????  Seems they are scouting around recruiting players for their side.  DIRECTLY AGAINST THE COURT ORDER!  Wonderful example of the morality and respect for the law taught at Whitmore>
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 01, 2005, 11:54:00 AM
Now, now---we all know Dr. Bernie's JUST a School Counselor, right? He wouldn't be all involved in anything to do with a criminal case, now would he?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 01, 2005, 11:58:00 AM
Nate: sure you got those dates correct when you were at Whitmore?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 01, 2005, 12:02:00 PM
strange posting having mark and nate writing together there! you guys room-mates now as "former Whitmore students?" remember, all these IP addresses are being checked out now.
just wondering where this posting did come from?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: samoan_built on August 01, 2005, 03:41:00 PM
as for the guy who likes to trashtalk my faith, im not even going to get mad, hes just ignorant. and as for you other idiots. i havent talked to cheryl since parents weekend, and ive never met bernie. so whatev. cheryl is my best friend and its my pleasure to stand up for her. its called being a good friend.
-nate
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 01, 2005, 06:33:00 PM
How is it Nate that you and Mark can post on the same entry?  How does that work? You've been home over a year now, and still claim some grown woman as your "best friend?"
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 02, 2005, 12:21:00 AM
Why would anyone "trash talk your faith" when you call YOURSELF a "Krazy mormon?"  You seem to be trash-talking yourself and the Mormon faith.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: samoan_built on August 02, 2005, 01:43:00 AM
i will always claim cheryl as my best friend, and as for posting in the same entry, mark ponte told me what he wanted me to post via aol instant messenger. and as for calling myself krazy mormon, you can just consider that taking criticism with a light heart, people always ask me weird questions about my faith and i take it with a sense of humor. in no way am i trashtalking my faith. anon was trashtalking when he said mormons dont go to heaven.
peace
nate[ This Message was edited by: krazymormon on 2005-08-01 22:46 ]
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 02, 2005, 09:35:00 AM
cheryl....give it a rest!
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: OverLordd on August 02, 2005, 09:59:00 AM
Oh, I'm ignorant right. I'm ignorant to the fact that Joseph Smith died via a mob violance after he distroyed priavte property. I'm also ignorant to the fact that he ordered the massicare of non morman people passing through a area he settled.

I'm also ingorant of the theology of mormonism. I'm ignorant of the fact that mormons believe there are many gods (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163)
I'm ignorant of the fact that mormons believe that one can become a god. (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 345-347, 354).
I continue not to know that mormons think the book of mormon is more correct than the Bible. (History of the Church, 4:461)

Yes... hmmm... I'm very ignorant of a heritical cult... yes yes indeed.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 02, 2005, 10:14:00 AM
Hey Cheryl's back? Posting as this student, and that student, and this one and that? JOKE!
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 02, 2005, 10:23:00 AM
Since when does calling oneself Krazymormon mean all Mormons are crazy?  If I called myself Krazyamerican does that mean all Americans are crazy?  Get a grip and grow up.  A person's faith is incredibly personal, and I could probably poke holes in Buddhism, Bahai and your faith too if I chose.  

As long as someone tries to live a good life and is willing to be a good neighbor, I don't care about the details.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 02, 2005, 10:26:00 AM
YOU are the one who chose to call yourself a "CRAZY" Mormon. YOU gave the impression that Mormons are CRAZY, so guess folks can only assume you must know they are since you ARE ONE.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 02, 2005, 10:35:00 AM
Nate: except for proclaiming yourself to be a "crazy" Mormon; and having a woman who has been criminally charged with abusing 4 children as a "best friend;" and posting for another friend, Mark--who should be able to do that for himself, if he can post on AOL---what are you doing with YOUR life?  Going to college? Working? still living at home? Getting along with your parents/family? Reconnected with past friends?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 02, 2005, 06:48:00 PM
:???: does any one know when this will actually go to court and what motions have been filed thus far?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: samoan_built on August 03, 2005, 05:51:00 PM
yes, you are ignorant, latter day saints believe that there are two gods, God and Jesus Christ. we believe that in heaven we can strive to be perfect, and to be more like Christ, he is after all our role model. Joseph Smith never ordered a massacre, and the only thing you said that was partly true is how he died of mob violence, however, he never destroyed public property, he was a very respectful man which is more than i can say for you. as for rumors that i am cheryl in disguise. thats preposterous, how do you people come up with these theories. and yes, i plan to go to college, and currently i live with my parents, thats just cuz im only 16 years old. give it a rest. i am nate mckinley and i have a birth certificate and plane stubs from my ride home from the whitmore to prove it.
peace
nate[ This Message was edited by: krazymormon on 2005-08-03 14:57 ]
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: samoan_built on August 03, 2005, 06:08:00 PM
Rejectotron 3 (4:57:41 PM): hey dude
LoafOfMe (4:57:43 PM): wats up
Rejectotron 3 (4:57:48 PM): the fornits people think im cheryl
Rejectotron 3 (4:57:53 PM): in disguise
LoafOfMe (4:57:57 PM): ha!
LoafOfMe (4:58:00 PM): let me see
Rejectotron 3 (4:58:18 PM): http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?So ... 5&start=10 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?Sort=&mode=viewtopic&topic=11055&forum=35&start=10)
Rejectotron 3 (4:58:32 PM): the third page is my rebuttal
Rejectotron 3 (4:58:40 PM): im thinking about putting this in my profile
LoafOfMe (5:03:59 PM): wow there idiots
Rejectotron 3 (5:04:09 PM): iknowright
LoafOfMe (5:04:15 PM): whatever man
LoafOfMe (5:04:56 PM): there just idiots and im not even gonna give em thge pleasure of saying nething
LoafOfMe (5:05:27 PM): lol id ont even konw who dr bernie is
Rejectotron 3 (5:05:33 PM): me neither
LoafOfMe (5:05:36 PM): and not once did cheryl ever ask me to do nething
Rejectotron 3 (5:05:42 PM): i know
Rejectotron 3 (5:05:44 PM): never
LoafOfMe (5:05:45 PM): so they can go lick themselves for all i care
Rejectotron 3 (5:07:05 PM): haha
Rejectotron 3 (5:07:10 PM): the best part is that
LoafOfMe (5:07:19 PM): i guarentee that guy went and looked all that stuff up when u called him ignorant
Rejectotron 3 (5:07:26 PM): everything they say counts for nothing it the courtroom
LoafOfMe (5:07:30 PM): exactly
Rejectotron 3 (5:07:33 PM): iknowright
Rejectotron 3 (5:07:47 PM): judges dont look at it and say
Rejectotron 3 (5:08:11 PM): well this random guy claims that nate equals cheryl
Rejectotron 3 (5:08:14 PM): it must be true
LoafOfMe (5:08:16 PM): lmao
Rejectotron 3 (5:08:17 PM): guilty!
Rejectotron 3 (5:08:21 PM): case closed
LoafOfMe (5:08:22 PM): its like this guy says he did something
LoafOfMe (5:08:23 PM): so
LoafOfMe (5:08:26 PM): yea shes guilty
LoafOfMe (5:08:31 PM): and lock up that kid bernardo too
LoafOfMe (5:08:36 PM): no!!!!! bernie runs out of the room
Rejectotron 3 (5:08:42 PM): hahahahahaha
LoafOfMe (5:08:49 PM): thats dr bernie
LoafOfMe (5:08:56 PM): she hired bernardo as a therapist
Rejectotron 3 (5:09:06 PM): hahaha
Rejectotron 3 (5:09:12 PM): hes like what 16 now
Rejectotron 3 (5:09:15 PM): somewhere in mexico
Rejectotron 3 (5:09:18 PM): gettin fat
LoafOfMe (5:09:19 PM): lmao
LoafOfMe (5:09:26 PM): i g2g dude ill ttyl
Rejectotron 3 (5:09:36 PM): peace out playa
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: OverLordd on August 04, 2005, 07:12:00 PM
Wow crazy, I even gave you referances, your behind on your own religion, but thats how cults work hmm.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 04, 2005, 07:32:00 PM
I just wanna know where I can get some of those cool peep rocks. Itd be great to walk around doing crimes and be able to say the peep rocks told me to!!!!!!
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 04, 2005, 09:01:00 PM
im sorry! ha! but you nate and Mark are pussys . You were their little  bitches the whole time and refused to see it. And of course MArk supports them...only because Tori does. :wave:  the Author SHOULD be "Cheryl's Bitches 4 Life"
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: samoan_built on August 04, 2005, 09:18:00 PM
you are probably a kid who went to the whitmore with us. don't be bitter, its okay. you're just mad cuz you went home and fucked up really fast, while mark, tori, and i stuck to our principles and kept our lives on track :lol:  dont worry about it, its not like karma's going to bite you in the ass for turning on your friends or anything. at least mark and i know where our loyalties lie, with the whitmore, where they should be. and overlorrd, im sorry you didnt succeed in making me turn on my own religion, you'll be okay, dont worry about it. go play some starcraft and jerk off to anti mormon websites, where im sure you got all your information from, it's obvious you didnt look all this up yourself, you must have been too busy playing video games. fuckin nerd.
peace
nate[ This Message was edited by: krazymormon on 2005-08-04 18:23 ]
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: OverLordd on August 04, 2005, 09:54:00 PM
haha, ohh poor girl, I got the info off a anti cult site, you know, because your religion is a cult...

I dont really want you to turn on your religion, I want you to realize its a cult, and a bad one at that.

yeah, I'm a nerd, a nerd who gets tail from his hot girl friend regularly and gets paid a grand a peice for devloping websites.

Bitch. haha.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 04, 2005, 11:46:00 PM
These kids want to present themselves as having "principles" when they talk trash and use such vulgar language? And NO ONE in the Mormon religion would want this person saying this he represents the Mormon faith any more than the Sudweeks do.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 05, 2005, 12:02:00 AM
Somebody hook me up with some peep rocks
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: samoan_built on August 05, 2005, 04:24:00 PM
the best part is that you totally contradicted yourself overlorrd. me turning on my religion and me saying its a "bad cult" is the same thing. idiot. and i seriously doubt you have a hot girlfriend.
whatev
and what are peeprocks??
nate[ This Message was edited by: krazymormon on 2005-08-05 13:25 ]
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Nihilanthic on August 05, 2005, 05:06:00 PM
*sigh*
All religions are irrelevant and asinine. They might be the source of your morals for decision making but other than that theyre totally irrelevant.

They're also believed in for the same reason someone belives in santa or the easter bunny... or for the reason they believe in jesus if you were born in the USA, or Whats his face if in Utah, or Hari Krishna if you were born on the ganges or Allah if you were born in Saudi Arabia.

Also, The mormon religion was basically debunked by an episode of southpark. Thats REALLY, REALLY weak. But hey, faith by definition is accepting a truth without evidence to support it, and right now in the USA you can believe in what EVER you want, so go for it!

However, the fact still remains that intellectually its weak, and faith alone cant account for shit. Faith based on fear of death or reprisal from god or the followers of the religion (which is what causes most conversions) is also just, well, weak.

Janis, Jimi, Gery, Timothy... Did you HAVE to get so close to the edge to get a really good view?
-- Anonymous

Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: samoan_built on August 05, 2005, 06:20:00 PM
sorry you feel that way. i define faith as hope that there is something better.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 05, 2005, 06:55:00 PM
I have "faith" then, because ANYTHING is better than Whitmore, and ANYONE is better than the Sudweeks.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: OverLordd on August 05, 2005, 09:49:00 PM
Look mormonism is a cult. Its a diviant of christianity, and not even a very good one at that, its core ideals are hidden from its main members, who just think its another average religion.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 05, 2005, 10:21:00 PM
Nate i just want to ask you a question>>>> If u have these "principles" you speak of then why all the cussing. it's like you're contradicting your self. Cussing is against Mormon principles if i remember correctly. You're  only stooping down to those people's low levels if u cussn like them. I  actually d u alot while i was there. u're a good  kid, with a great heart i think. and if you're mormon that's good for you. everyone is free to any religious belief they wish to go with.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 05, 2005, 10:22:00 PM
liked > correction ......i liked you alot while i was attending the whitmore
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: samoan_built on August 06, 2005, 01:08:00 AM
i was actually talking about life principles, no drugs, no alcohol, staying on track, cussing doesnt really amount to much with me. by the way send me a private message, i would like to know who you are. im not mad at you i just think we should talk sometime if i knew you at whitmore, its always good to be in touch with old friends.
peace
nate
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Antigen on August 06, 2005, 01:35:00 AM
Nate is a crazymom? Oh, I can't wait!

With soap, baptism is a good thing.
--Robert G. Ingersoll, American politician and lecturer

Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Antigen on August 06, 2005, 01:39:00 AM
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On 2005-08-05 18:49:00, OverLordd wrote:

"Look mormonism is a cult. Its a diviant of christianity,

 Christianity is no better:

http://www.pharmacratic-inquisition.com/ (http://www.pharmacratic-inquisition.com/)

"The Program" and two years will get you a vastly improved kid in *EXACTLY* the same way that "The Program" and four bucks will get you a cup of espresso at Starbucks.

Timoclea

Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: OverLordd on August 06, 2005, 01:47:00 AM
Antigen... your kidding right? you really expect that site to hold up under any debate or discussion? You really expect that site to be able to disprove thousands of years of religion?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 06, 2005, 03:13:00 AM
Nate: you can not pick and choose which beliefs are ok and not ok.  Either you follow the Mormon "rules"...all of them---or bow out! Cussing is not OK with the Mormon teachings.

It sort of like the saying: "The Ten Commandments are not multiple choice."

So if you want to spout off that you are the great MORMON religious person---start acting like one and drop the cuss words.  You sound way too much like Cheryl Sudweeks's filthy mouth to be taken seriously around here!

And trying to convince anybody that throwing kids down stairs, spiting in kids faces, cursing kids, humiliating kids in GROUP, leading Group Therapy without being licensed to do so, slapping a kid, kicking a kid, ordering other kids to beat up a kid--- is not abuse:  Well, Nate that's ABUSE...and that's exactly what Cheryl Sudweeks did.  And Cheryl Sudweeks has been charged with 7 counts, and against 4 different children.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: samoan_built on August 06, 2005, 10:28:00 AM
im sorry if i offend you, but shut up. dont tell me about my religion and how im bad at it, ive come to terms with the words damn shit fuck cunt ass bitch bastard, and everything else along those lines, if all you are trying to do is lecture me about my religion, why dont you just leave, there are more important arguments going on right now.
peace
nate
by the way, she had a license for group therapy. and she never abused anyone
i bet this is shelby[ This Message was edited by: krazymormon on 2005-08-06 07:29 ]
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: OverLordd on August 06, 2005, 11:33:00 AM
You have no fucking idea about your own religion, you dont even know its theology, and when I show it to you you just say its not true.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: samoan_built on August 06, 2005, 12:06:00 PM
overlorrd, dude, why are you talking to me? shhhhh......
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 06, 2005, 12:25:00 PM
Cheryl Sudweeks is NOT a licensed therapist. She only has a high school education and is not qualified to lead a group therapy session.
And your are NOT representative of the Mormon faith---so get lost!
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 06, 2005, 12:26:00 PM
Who is Shelby?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 06, 2005, 03:12:00 PM
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Oh, no, she doesn't have a license for group therapy and never did.  So the kids who were abused are all lying.  Funny, the same type stories from different kids that don't even know each other.  Take the blindfold off, Nate.  I have a question for you.  How long have you belonged to the Mormon religion???????
On 2005-08-06 07:28:00, krazymormon wrote:

"im sorry if i offend you, but shut up. dont tell me about my religion and how im bad at it, ive come to terms with the words damn shit fuck cunt ass bitch bastard, and everything else along those lines, if all you are trying to do is lecture me about my religion, why dont you just leave, there are more important arguments going on right now.

peace

nate

by the way, she had a license for group therapy. and she never abused anyone

i bet this is shelby[ This Message was edited by: krazymormon on 2005-08-06 07:29 ]"
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Antigen on August 06, 2005, 04:11:00 PM
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On 2005-08-06 07:28:00, krazymormon wrote:

i bet this is shelby


No, I don't think Shelby has ever posted to these forums. Certainly not recently. Wnna laugh, though? When the complaints and investigations first started coming out of the Whit, do you know what Shelby had to say about it? She said "Oh, that's probably just somebody out to get Sue."
Oh, the irony!

Shelby's still a good egg, though. She was when she believed in Sue and the Whit and she still is now that new information has changed her opinion.

There never was a good war or a bad peace.

--Benjamin Franklin, (1773)

Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Antigen on August 06, 2005, 04:14:00 PM
Quote
On 2005-08-05 22:47:00, OverLordd wrote:

"Antigen... your kidding right? you really expect that site to hold up under any debate or discussion? You really expect that site to be able to disprove thousands of years of religion?"


No, I'm not kidding at all. Remember the Crusades? Manifest Destiny? Jim Jones People's Temple Revival? All "faith based initiatives", just like the suicide bombers.

Christianity is among the younger and smaller major religions of the world. And if you really want to look at it's history, it's just about exactly no better or worse than any other.

The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by the Prohibition law. For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. It is an open secret that the dangerous increase of crime in this country is closely connected with this.
--Albert Einstein, My First Impression of the U.S.A., 1921

Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: samoan_built on August 06, 2005, 05:11:00 PM
i was born into an lds family.
shelby....whatev.
there is no blindfold. cheryl helped a lot of kids, shes my best friend. nothing you say will stop me from defending her. just like nothing you say will make me anti mormon. whatev.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: OverLordd on August 06, 2005, 07:05:00 PM
Jim Jones was a fithly diviant heritc just like other cults, he does not, and did not, represent christianity. Crusades was more political than religious. A young religion? its older than islam by a few hundred years. Some would argue its the fulfillment of judism, making it one of the oldest religions in the world.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Shortbus on August 06, 2005, 07:16:00 PM
Antigen never said Jim Jones' represented christianity. Slow down a little and try not to get lit up so fast.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: OverLordd on August 06, 2005, 07:29:00 PM
What are you talking about shortbus, yes he did, he held up a list of things as a bad example of what christianity has done, that shows that he was holding him up as a representative.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Shortbus on August 06, 2005, 07:38:00 PM
I guess I didnt read it that way. All "faith-based initiatives" are under the umbrella of christianity?? But I guess this is a question that Antigen should answer. All I can answer to is how I read it.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Shortbus on August 06, 2005, 07:39:00 PM
But I still think you get lit up way too fast. Slow. Down.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 06, 2005, 08:14:00 PM
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On 2005-08-06 13:14:00, Antigen wrote:



Christianity is among the younger and smaller major religions of the world.


http://www.religioustolerance.org/worldrel.htm (http://www.religioustolerance.org/worldrel.htm)

smaller??.....Ha.....GS
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 06, 2005, 08:18:00 PM
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On 2005-08-06 14:11:00, krazymormon wrote:

"i was born into an lds family.

shelby....whatev.

there is no blindfold. cheryl helped a lot of kids, shes my best friend. nothing you say will stop me from defending her. just like nothing you say will make me anti mormon. whatev."


So are you one of those people that say "Don't confuse me with the facts, I've already made up made up my mind"?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: samoan_built on August 06, 2005, 08:36:00 PM
okay. if your mother got charged with a crime, would you persecute her and demand that she be sent to jail, or would you defend her to the very end. think about it
and yes, i guess i am just a blindly loyal friend.
peace
nate
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Antigen on August 07, 2005, 12:30:00 AM
Quote
On 2005-08-06 17:36:00, krazymormon wrote:

"okay. if your mother got charged with a crime, would you persecute her and demand that she be sent to jail, or would you defend her to the very end. think about it

and yes, i guess i am just a blindly loyal friend.

peace

nate"


If it were my mother and I knew she was guilty of victimizing children, I'd quietly hold her hand and offer her all the moral support in the world privately. But no, I would not defend her or deny the truth. Wouldn't help her or anyone in the long run.

Oh, and in case you forgot, one of the promises the Suds make to their customers (your parents) is that they'll help put your family back together again. Cheryl is not your mother. Never was. Never will be. The one you got is the only one you'll ever have.

If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed.
--Albert Einstein, German-born American physicist

Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Antigen on August 07, 2005, 12:47:00 AM
I don't think I ever met a jew who would characterize Christianity as the fulfilment of their religion. And Confusanism is older and larger than any other religion on the planet, except for possibly Budism. The Christian faith is pretty much like Islam; a hobbled together patchwork of old world folklore and philosophy w/ a nod to compliance w/ the old Holy Roman Catholic Church.

Regardless, my point is that all religions are pretty much the same. They're all attempts to explain the unexplainable; allagories that we make up so that we don't have to be so scared and uncertain. That's fine, within limits. It gets really horrible when you become evangelical. With that said, my hands down favorite flavor of Christianity is the Quaker/Mennonite/Amish flavor. Those folks are admirable and they practice what they preach.

Here's an example. Much like the Budist and Islamic traditions that practice close kin marriage, the Quakers are suffering rampant genetic problems and birth defects. They know about it. They talk about it. They understand the cause and the obvious solutions. And they call it God's will. Basically, they're demonstrating through their actions (or inaction, as it were) that they'd rather die off than become evangelical! As religions go, ya' just can't hate `em!

Necessity is the excuse for every infringement of human freedom.  It is the argument of the tyrant and the creed of the slave.  
-- William Pitt, 1763

Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 07, 2005, 12:51:00 AM
nate why would u refer to cheryl as ur mother> MOTHER???? she wasn't ur mother ....maybe ur mother for a year and so and so months... ur mother figure... mother goose lady, or whatever the fuck u wanna call her, but in reality she was just a lady named cheryl that was in charge of getting troubled teen's assess in line
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 07, 2005, 02:04:00 AM
Quote
On 2005-08-06 17:36:00, krazymormon wrote:

"okay. if your mother got charged with a crime, would you persecute her and demand that she be sent to jail, or would you defend her to the very end. think about it

and yes, i guess i am just a blindly loyal friend.

peace

nate"


Cheryl is not your mother.  She was paid large amounts of money to provide certain services.  She did not do that.  She did not keep her part of the contract.  On top of that, she humiliated and abused kids in her care.  What kind of MOTHER would abuse kids????????????   In my book, not a very good one.  

Would you approve of your mother committing a crime?  To be loyal to a friend or relative is one thing, to condone or deny they committed a crime, when, if fact, there is proof they did is another.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: OverLordd on August 07, 2005, 01:27:00 PM
Quote
I don't think I ever met a jew who would characterize Christianity as the fulfilment of their religion. And Confusanism is older and larger than any other religion on the planet, except for possibly Budism. The Christian faith is pretty much like Islam; a hobbled together patchwork of old world folklore and philosophy w/ a nod to compliance w/ the old Holy Roman Catholic Church.

Regardless, my point is that all religions are pretty much the same. They're all attempts to explain the unexplainable; allagories that we make up so that we don't have to be so scared and uncertain. That's fine, within limits. It gets really horrible when you become evangelical. With that said, my hands down favorite flavor of Christianity is the Quaker/Mennonite/Amish flavor. Those folks are admirable and they practice what they preach.

Here's an example. Much like the Budist and Islamic traditions that practice close kin marriage, the Quakers are suffering rampant genetic problems and birth defects. They know about it. They talk about it. They understand the cause and the obvious solutions. And they call it God's will. Basically, they're demonstrating through their actions (or inaction, as it were) that they'd rather die off than become evangelical! As religions go, ya' just can't hate `em!


Confusanism is not a religion so much as a philosphy. You say that christianity is hobbled together with old folk lore. You call the Bible old folk lore? I mean come on, the Bible was writen over 1400 years on three contenants and it sill does not controdict its self. The christian faith started around 60 A.D its predates the Holy Roman Catholic Church, its a part of Christianity.

The Quakers are a sect of Christianity... and their just really creepy.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 07, 2005, 03:18:00 PM
Nate, what do you mean, "Shelby, whatever?" You are the one who said, you thought it was Shelby posting!!!!
AND Cheryl Sudweeks was not PAID to be a "mother." She was paid to run a thereaputic boarding school that offered education and therapy by a LICENSED therapist. And the contract PROMISED no abuse!!!!
And the investigation by the State of Utah found enough evidence to bring CHARGES of abuse against Cheryl Sudweeks, and unless she cops a plea, there will be a trial.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 07, 2005, 03:20:00 PM
Hate to pop your bubble Nate, but when real mothers are found to be abusive against their own children, guess what? They too, are CHARGED with child abuse, get tried in a court of law, and they, too get to go to jail. IT IS AGAINST THE LAW TO ABUSE KIDS, even your OWN!
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: samoan_built on August 07, 2005, 05:22:00 PM
i didnt call her my mother, i asked whatsisname a question that relates because that's as serious as the situation is to me. not once did the words cheryl is my mom come out of my mouth.
nate
also, i dont care what whoever accused her of, i dont believe any of it. and i am denying that she commited a crime because it never happened. and cheryl is a great mom, all her kids love her very much. and she is my best friend, so i dont really care what you say.
also, me saying shelby, whatev, didnt mean i was changing my mind about thinkin she was postin, it means i dont care what she has to say either.
peace out
nate
and antigen. thats horrible that you wouldnt defend your own mother.[ This Message was edited by: krazymormon on 2005-08-07 14:35 ]
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: OverLordd on August 07, 2005, 08:02:00 PM
Well what will you do if she is found guilty in a court of law?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: samoan_built on August 07, 2005, 10:30:00 PM
like i said before. i will defend her to my dying day
nate
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 07, 2005, 10:33:00 PM
Denial is a powerful thing, now isn't it?
Defend her to my dying day? Pass the KOOL-AID.
Scary.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Nihilanthic on August 08, 2005, 01:40:00 PM
The two aspects of brainwashing are confession of past crimes or errors, and reeducation to new beliefs. Prisoners are brought to confess by lack of sleep and food and other forms of intense physical discomfort, isolation from familiar surroundings, a prison routine requiring absolute obedience and humility, and social pressure from cell mates. The last includes mutual criticism and self-criticism sessions, which play particularly on the generalized guilt feeling that all people have to some extent. At the same time regular indoctrination sessions are conducted. The acceptance of the new ideas is again fostered by group pressure and the anticipated reward of freedom.

No laws, however stringent, can make the idle industrious, the thriftless provident, or the drunken sober
--Samuel Stiles

Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 09, 2005, 01:40:00 PM
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On 2005-08-08 10:40:00, Nihilanthic wrote:

"The two aspects of brainwashing are confession of past crimes or errors, and reeducation to new beliefs. Prisoners are brought to confess by lack of sleep and food and other forms of intense physical discomfort, isolation from familiar surroundings, a prison routine requiring absolute obedience and humility, and social pressure from cell mates. The last includes mutual criticism and self-criticism sessions, which play particularly on the generalized guilt feeling that all people have to some extent. At the same time regular indoctrination sessions are conducted. The acceptance of the new ideas is again fostered by group pressure and the anticipated reward of freedom.



No laws, however stringent, can make the idle industrious, the thriftless provident, or the drunken sober
--Samuel Stiles

"


Not hard to do with kids.  It was done in China.  The schools were forced to teach the doctrine, and the kids, at an early age, were pitted against their own parents, encouraged by the government in the schools.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 10, 2005, 07:36:00 PM
Nate: are you having short-term-memory problems?
You don't remember any beatings that took place while Todd was the counselor there? You don't remember being hurt? Happened a bunch of times! This really you posting?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: samoan_built on August 11, 2005, 01:16:00 AM
hey listen
fuck you
who the fuck do you think you are. trying to act like any of that was cheryls fault. that was fuckin corey he was a bastard. when cheryl found out about that she balled him out. 5 hours of group because i was smaller than that bastard and he was feeling like a bitch and wanted to dead arm me. fuck you you obviously dont know how shit went down. none of that was cheryl. none of it.
[eace
nate
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 11, 2005, 03:40:00 PM
Whoa---
Who's Cory?
Five hours of Group? Cheryl must have really have been on a roll, huh? Five HOURS?
What happened to Cory?
Did he hear the famous order:
"Get him the fuck outta here?"
Can't things be handled with a bit of dignity, conversation, family love there at the ole Whitmore?
Watch that language now Nate: remember you are representing the MORMON faith--no fucks, bitch, bastard words needed to get your point across.
Mamma Cheryl's watching, you know!
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 11, 2005, 03:45:00 PM
NATE: sort of jumped the gun there didn't you? NO ONE mentioned Cheryl, did they? Why bring her into it? Explain that.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: samoan_built on August 11, 2005, 07:05:00 PM
corey was a stupid bastard. and no he didnt hear anything of that sort. what he heard was, "Don't you ever touch him again,i dont ever want to hear about corey hitting anyone ever again!" then we talked about it for a long time. and we made a new rule, no hitting, even if you are joking. and we all followed that rule. and anon was implying that it was cheryls fault, or todds fault, and you all know it. you really dont know how shit went down at all. you have probably never been within 100 miles of the whitmore,a nd probably have never even talked to cheryl OR todd or anyone. you dont have any idea what they are like and i do because they are my friends and i dont care what you assholes say. they are amazing people, fuck anyone who says a bad word about cheryl or anyone at the whitmore
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 11, 2005, 07:38:00 PM
Too bad Cheryl didn't follow the "no hitting rule," herself--then she wouldn't be facing a child abuse trial would she?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: samoan_built on August 11, 2005, 08:32:00 PM
she did
you dont know what you are talking about
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 11, 2005, 08:50:00 PM
really? then why is she charged with child abuse and having a criminal trial? What flavor of kool aid are you drinking?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 11, 2005, 09:19:00 PM
This is very interesting to me.  I was at the Whitmore during the Todd days.  I met him and talked to him in regards to inapproriate "rough housing" that resulted in many group sessions.  This was a major issue with Todd and eventually was part of his reason for departing.  I also know he wanted one boy sent home because of his history of violence and Cheryl refused to do it.  She chose to go against a professional's advise and recommendation and let him stay.  (Eventually Todd's fears came true- thus the Joey incident!)  I knew his concerns because he was my son's therapist!  I also know through Todd about Nate getting "roughed up" as well as Anthony and my son. This was discussed openly with me by Todd, Mark and Cheryl because it was such an issue at that time.  Such an issue, that one boy ran away during my visit.  Come on Nate, you know the truth of what really went on and experienced it yourself.  IF this is Nate... I met you several times and you knew my son very well.  I even know what you got for Christmas from your parents and wore for days with the tags left on!  IF you are Nate you will know what I am talking about.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 11, 2005, 09:21:00 PM
Charges are easy to bring...that doesn't mean it is the truth.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 11, 2005, 10:13:00 PM
Charges are not easy to bring. It takes a lot of investigation to gather evidence etc. Denial is what's easy.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 13, 2005, 03:36:00 AM
:???: I have listened to both sides rant and rave for some time now. I tend to find the accusers more credible and definately more mature. This is ultimately a matter to be settled in a court of law. Are there any updates on when Cheryl will actually go to trial?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 13, 2005, 09:28:00 AM
Probably not until after the first of the year or later.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 13, 2005, 11:36:00 AM
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On 2005-08-11 18:19:00, Anonymous wrote:

"This is very interesting to me.  I was at the Whitmore during the Todd days.  I met him and talked to him in regards to inapproriate "rough housing" that resulted in many group sessions.  This was a major issue with Todd and eventually was part of his reason for departing.  I also know he wanted one boy sent home because of his history of violence and Cheryl refused to do it.  She chose to go against a professional's advise and recommendation and let him stay.  (Eventually Todd's fears came true- thus the Joey incident!)  I knew his concerns because he was my son's therapist!  I also know through Todd about Nate getting "roughed up" as well as Anthony and my son. This was discussed openly with me by Todd, Mark and Cheryl because it was such an issue at that time.  Such an issue, that one boy ran away during my visit.  Come on Nate, you know the truth of what really went on and experienced it yourself.  IF this is Nate... I met you several times and you knew my son very well.  I even know what you got for Christmas from your parents and wore for days with the tags left on!  IF you are Nate you will know what I am talking about.  "


So, Nate...any response here?  Any memories of events at the boy's house??
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: samoan_built on August 13, 2005, 02:58:00 PM
you must be justins mom. you were the only mom there at christmas. but you know what thats all it was, was rough housing. nothing malicious, no harm intended. we all loved eachother.
peace
nate
p.s. i really liked you
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 13, 2005, 04:03:00 PM
Nate,
If you can tell me what you wore at Christmas with the tags on, I will know it is you.  This may seem trivial, or strange, but I need to know if this is truly you.  In these current days of betrayal and mistrust it is hard to know.  Perhaps you can answer some questions I have since you were there during some very "rough" times. I have no doubt you all loved each other very much.  I saw the love the day my son left when everyone told him good bye.  It would be impossible to not love and care for each other when you experienced so much together.

 You can send a private message to Past Whitmore Mom.  I am not interested in plastering private information all over this forum.  I have seen the slander towards any child or parent that gives away their identity.  It is not my intent now or has it ever been to hurt any child that was with my son at the Whitmore.  I became very fond of those I met and they hold a special place in my heart.  I can only hope you are doing well at home and adjusting to your new life.  

I look forward to hearing from you privately.
Past Whitmore Mom
Ps........ I really liked you too. :smile:
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: burnkinds on August 13, 2005, 04:25:00 PM
What up. I'm Aaron i went to the whitmore a while ago. I had no clue about charges and all that stuff against Mark and Cheryl. I just found this forum about whitmore and you people are mad funny! I dont even remember a lot of shit that went on at the whitmore, sure it sucked when you were there but really it was easy to live there. I wish it was that easy now. Now i got bills jobs my place its all so much to worry about, all I had to worry about was not starting any shit at the whitmore then you were cool. As for charges, whatever man some dude is still pissed about going there. get over it little kids, grow up. I was laughing so hard aT all this shit. I'm not saying its a good place, im not saying its a bad place i was just there now im not. Some kids just are so upset they got sent away they buggout. Joyce Harris sounds chill as shit!! haha i wish someone took me to a concert. Shit. whats wrong with teenage kids going to a concert is that unheard of? I went to one yesterday. and i saw someone called cheryl a tweaker. hahaha that is some funny shit dude. well thats all youll hear from me peace out. you guys need to pick up a hobby or something surfing is pretty fun. :wstupid:
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: pastwhitmoremom on August 13, 2005, 04:37:00 PM
hey Aaron- can you tell us what happened to your nose on the cruise?  doubt if you found that very funny...  would that be an example of not being cool and getting punished for it??  Another example of the love Cheryl inspired the kids to show one another?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: burnkinds on August 13, 2005, 06:33:00 PM
haha yea i remember that yea its actually pretty funny now i look back on it. How the hell did you know that, i even forgot about that. if im not bitching about it why are you? im the one who got it on the nose haha
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 13, 2005, 09:59:00 PM
Burnkinds/Aaron, WHY is it that you don't "remember a lot of shit" that went on at the Whitmore? Have you blocked it out, or what? A cruise should be a fun, carefree experience for kids--not some expericene where kids end up with a busted nose, being beat up, locked in a bath room, doing illegal drugs, and not being properly supervised by the ADULTS PAID to supervise them--the Sudweeks.
And if you really find it funny that little kids ages 12, 14 were actually ABUSED while under the care of the Sudweeks--then YOU have a problem. Perhaps you need to read this forum more carefully. There is NOTHING funny about Cheryl Sudweeks being charged with CRIMINAL CHILD ABUSE against 4 minor children. There is NOTHING funny about FRAUD against parents either.There is nothing funny about kids not getting the educational benefits parents PAID the Sudweeks to provide. There is nothing funny about Cheryl Sudweeks, who has no degree to be running Group Therapy session as if she was a licensed therapist. NONE of these these are FUNNY. As a matter of fact, these types of behaviors are illegal.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 13, 2005, 10:26:00 PM
This is why so many are reluctant to post...they are "jumped upon" and everything they have written is slammed and belittled. They are saying what they think....stop hounding them. State your opinion, then respect their opinion and what they want to write. Seems it's one way or no way here....sad. Some seem to know it all.

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On 2005-08-13 18:59:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Burnkinds/Aaron, WHY is it that you don't "remember a lot of shit" that went on at the Whitmore? Have you blocked it out, or what? A cruise should be a fun, carefree experience for kids--not some expericene where kids end up with a busted nose, being beat up, locked in a bath room, doing illegal drugs, and not being properly supervised by the ADULTS PAID to supervise them--the Sudweeks.

And if you really find it funny that little kids ages 12, 14 were actually ABUSED while under the care of the Sudweeks--then YOU have a problem. Perhaps you need to read this forum more carefully. There is NOTHING funny about Cheryl Sudweeks being charged with CRIMINAL CHILD ABUSE against 4 minor children. There is NOTHING funny about FRAUD against parents either.There is nothing funny about kids not getting the educational benefits parents PAID the Sudweeks to provide. There is nothing funny about Cheryl Sudweeks, who has no degree to be running Group Therapy session as if she was a licensed therapist. NONE of these these are FUNNY. As a matter of fact, these types of behaviors are illegal."
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 13, 2005, 10:48:00 PM
Child abuse is wrong. What other way is there to say that
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: burnkinds on August 14, 2005, 06:18:00 PM
I didnt really block it out anon. Your not realizing that i was sent to whitmore because obviously something was wrong. So no going on a cruise was just another scene to practice being "normal" or whatever. I'm not saying I agree with everything the Sudweeks do but I would have the same chance getting punched in the nose when I pissed someone off on the street as on a cruise. Besides thats all it was someone got all pissed hit me and then said sorry and all that Cheryl didnt send an attack dog or whatever. You people need to chill out, I'm sure some people have a reason to press criminal charges against the Sudweeks, just not me because I got a shit sandwich shoved in my face and I knew I had to eat it. Thats how life is, shit happens what are you gonna do now. These "little kids" im talking about acted like just that kicking and screaming the whole way through. Which is why they were sent there because at some point you have to grow up and submit. Watch the movie SLC punk haha anarchy just wont work in our society today someday you have to submit whether you like it or not. But understand when these kids were fighting the system or whatever i do not agree with the physical and/or emotional abuse that the Sudweeks tried to use to get kids to submit. Thats why they have law suits, because they just rebelled harder. I just went with it and tried to just chill out :smokin:
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: burnkinds on August 14, 2005, 06:22:00 PM
oh yea, as for the education it might not have been as "traditional" or whatever but i did graduate a year early and now im eighteen starting my sophomore year in college at Ohio State
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 15, 2005, 12:26:00 AM
Aaron: thanks for your comments; and that is really great that you are a Soph. at Ohio State; and have your life headed in a positive direction. You are correct: The Sudweeks had no right to use physical and emotional abuse for any reason.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Antigen on August 15, 2005, 09:53:00 AM
Aaron, I think you have an extremely impressive take on the whole thing and understanding of what it is; how it "works". I disagree, though, with the premis that growing up means leaning submission. I think it's a lot more nuanced than that. I think a big part of growing up is leanring to pick your battles. Sometimes you do have to eat shit, that's true. But sometimes the ethical, logical thing to do, the thing that's in your own or your kids' best interest, is to challenge authority.

Under the benign influence of our republican institutions, and the maintenance of peace with all nations whilst so many of them were engaged in bloody and wasteful wars, the fruits of a just policy were enjoyed in an unrivaled growth of our faculties and resources.
James Madison

Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 15, 2005, 07:36:00 PM
"Cheryl's kids 4 life?" Don't think so! Another Whitmore "student" removed early by a responsible, wise parent this week. Sort of speaks for itself, doesn't it!
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 16, 2005, 01:56:00 AM
Suds need to send those very FEW remaining kids HOME, close the Whitmore down, and give it up! What was the count in November 2004, when these abuse allegations were exposed-- about 43 "students?" The writing is on the wall--and the message is clear!
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 16, 2005, 06:38:00 AM
who went home this time?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 16, 2005, 10:33:00 AM
Why does it matter WHO? The boy was removed EARLY, that is all that matters. Perhaps he, or his parents will post and explain why themselves.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Whitmore Alumni on August 16, 2005, 08:02:00 PM
yes! It is I, the Whitmore Alumni back from afar.
yea I'm back and I'm just saying that Cheryl doesn't abuse kids. Can you not see how many more kids are coming foreward and saying that cheryl does not hurt them physically, emotionally, verbally or mentally? come on, be 4 real.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 16, 2005, 08:10:00 PM
Well, it is FOR REAL that four says she does for SURE, and there will be a trial!
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 17, 2005, 09:42:00 PM
How many kids are at the Whitmore now? About 14 huh?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: OverLordd on August 17, 2005, 09:51:00 PM
Just because people come foward saying she does not hurt them does not mean that she has not hurt others. No one knows why serial killers kill their victems untill well into their killings. No one knows why sudweeks picked these people to abuse.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 18, 2005, 10:02:00 PM
No one said Cheryl Sudweeks abused EVERY kid at Whitmore. But the evidence supports she abused some.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Whitmore Alumni on August 19, 2005, 04:10:00 PM
You people are stupid and have nothing better to do in your life than to thrash others.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Whitmore Alumni on August 19, 2005, 04:12:00 PM
please... i was there a year and a half ago and i went back to visit. there is no such thing as abuse
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 19, 2005, 04:43:00 PM
EVIDENCE; CHARGES; 7 counts of abuse, hazing against 4 different children.  Cheryl Sudweeks has been CHARGED, and either has to cop a plea or face a criminal trial, and the investigation is still ongoing. That's the facts, Whitmore Alumni.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: OverLordd on August 19, 2005, 11:04:00 PM
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You people are stupid and have nothing better to do in your life than to thrash others.

First you say something like this...

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please... i was there a year and a half ago and i went back to visit. there is no such thing as abuse


Then you say this...

You insult us then you say please, grow the fuck up. so you visited, congrats, no one will hit a kid infront of a visitor, thats just dumb. ehh, you dont know what your talking about, post when the brainwashing has warn off, your limit is coming up.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 19, 2005, 11:19:00 PM
Maybe Whitmore Alumni can have her friend Cheryl read the "charges" to her; and let Whitmore Alumni see if they fit into her little mind as abusive. Like throwing kids down stairs for instance. Does that sound abusive enough for you Whit?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 20, 2005, 11:56:00 PM
The truth will come out in the criminal trial through evidence and testimony.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 21, 2005, 08:17:00 PM
Any know when the Suds are taking these kids to Canada? What's that all about? Trial pending, and they can take these kids out of the country?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Whitmore Alumni on August 22, 2005, 03:45:00 PM
your know what. your a dumbass. you know you are. so just admit it. i didnt mean to insult the people on here just the shit talkers but i guess i am insulting u and only u now. so shut your shit.  :grin:
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 22, 2005, 04:48:00 PM
And don't you have a pleasant, mature, nice way of speaking that makes just anyone take you so seriously Whitmore Alumni?
What is "shit talking" about criminal charges that have been filed against Cheryl Sudweeks?
And what is "shit talking" about questioning  why a person who is awaiting a criminal trial should be taking minor children out of the country? Doesn't sound like such a "dumbass" question.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 23, 2005, 04:22:00 PM
Anyone have an opinion about someone awaiting a criminal trial being allowed to take minor kids out of the country? Is that really allowed?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: OverLordd on August 23, 2005, 04:31:00 PM
No no, thats just some one worring and being very alarmist. She would not dare, first off they would all need passports, and she cannot get the nesecary paper work without the knowledge of the parents, and i dont think the parent would let them be removed.... I hope...
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 23, 2005, 06:46:00 PM
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On 2005-08-23 13:31:00, OverLordd wrote:

"No no, thats just some one worring and being very alarmist. She would not dare, first off they would all need passports, and she cannot get the nesecary paper work without the knowledge of the parents, and i dont think the parent would let them be removed.... I hope..."


Don't need a passport to get into either Canada or Mexico.  Birth certificate and the proper form giving the Sudweeks permission, which is the form that has been discussed in the transportation of children.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: OverLordd on August 23, 2005, 06:56:00 PM
And I stand corrected
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 23, 2005, 07:52:00 PM
They are going to Canada for sure, and they took the kids to Mexico this summer, but the trip to Mexico was before Cheryl Sudweeks was charged with child abuse. Parents sign permission forms when the kids are enrolled to be taken to Canada and Mexico. But, can a person charged criminally and awaiting trial actually travel outside the country and take minor children with them?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: OverLordd on August 23, 2005, 08:04:00 PM
Yes, but the courts would have a fit, but they could do it if no one stoped them.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2005, 10:38:00 AM
The Sudweeks were contracted to provide educational and therapy services to the "students" under their care--They were never given over to be CHERYL'KIDS, and most certainly never to be CHERYL'S ABUSED KIDS at all!
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2005, 11:20:00 AM
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On 2005-08-23 15:46:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-08-23 13:31:00, OverLordd wrote:


"No no, thats just some one worring and being very alarmist. She would not dare, first off they would all need passports, and she cannot get the nesecary paper work without the knowledge of the parents, and i dont think the parent would let them be removed.... I hope..."




Don't need a passport to get into either Canada or Mexico.  Birth certificate and the proper form giving the Sudweeks permission, which is the form that has been discussed in the transportation of children."


You mean the ICPC form?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2005, 02:12:00 PM
The parents sign a form that the kids can travel to Mexico and Canada for "TRAVEL STUDIES."  This has nothing to do with the Interstate Compact Placement Contract -mandatory paperwork that the Sudweeks must/should comply with when the students are originally placed.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 26, 2005, 11:00:00 AM
The only people these kids belong to "4 life" are their own parents. The Sudweeks are not these kid's parents or "family." They were contracted to run a school.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on August 31, 2005, 05:01:00 PM
If the Sudweeks don't have the proper paperwork on these kids for ICPC regulations intact, how do they plan to transport these "students" into another country? Seems like immigration would be checking rather closely these days.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on September 15, 2005, 09:55:00 AM
The Suds did take most of the kids to Canada,(ten is the number reported), and should return next week.  Wonder WHY some got left behind?(four is the reported number of those left behind). Don't ALL the kids get the "advantage" of the TRAVEL EDUCATION offered by this "Academics Only Boarding School?"
And WHO is minding the school, and carrying on the Academic learning of these kids who got left behind?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on September 15, 2005, 10:04:00 AM
Canada?  Isn't that where the Sudweeks got into a jam with some horses?  Why even go to Canada?  Why not go on a field trip to the Utah State Capital?  Meet the governor ... learn something about how inept Utah government really is????
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on September 15, 2005, 01:44:00 PM
Yes, Canada is where Mark Sudweeks was found guilty of animal abuse, and was fined about $150,000 and is banned from owning animals for life. Why did the Suds take the kids to Mexico awhile back? They were kicked out of Mexico for trying to run a school without a license too. Guess they just like to travel, huh?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on September 15, 2005, 03:36:00 PM
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On 2005-09-15 10:44:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Yes, Canada is where Mark Sudweeks was found guilty of animal abuse, and was fined about $150,000 and is banned from owning animals for life. Why did the Suds take the kids to Mexico awhile back? They were kicked out of Mexico for trying to run a school without a license too. Guess they just like to travel, huh?"


Are these "field trips" considered educational?  Do parents pay extra or is the cost part of the tuition?  How do they get to these places (bus, car, plane)?  If it was my kid, I would not be too keen on my child being taken out of state by anyone, but that's just me.  Other parents may think it's great ... but since I wouldn't put my kid in any Utah-based program in the first place, I guess that says it all.

JUST SAY NO TO OUT-OF-HOME PLACEMENTS.

 :smokin:
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on September 15, 2005, 03:46:00 PM
When we placed our child, we were told that the Sudweeks had "schools" in Canada and Mexico--which is UNTRUE. There are no schools in Canada and Mexico. We were told that our child would have the "opportunity" to visit both of these "schools" during the "school year."
There was basically NO SCHOOL in Utah either, as advertised: the Whitmore was not fully accredited, and did not have certified teachers as advertised. So what is the purpose of this current trip to Canada? Who knows. Hopefully, not to try and "hide assets," since there is currently a civil case filed against the Sudweeks!
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on September 16, 2005, 12:56:00 PM
If some kids got left behind, is there school going on for these kids? IF NOT, then just what are these parents paying for anyway at the rate of about $4,000 per month? Pretty high rates for babysitting!
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on September 16, 2005, 04:59:00 PM
i recently left the Whitmore after being there for a year and when you get out of the bubble they put you in you will see how it really was back there in utah and how the tyhings they teach you dont work in the real world for the most part. The only thing i value from that place right now is the firendships i have and what my fellow kids tought me. Some of the kids go home calling them saints ans shit but hey they are to into the place anyways. If you really stop and look at it, most of the kids there kiss ass all day to get by and then there are the real kids who know. Now im not saying i am against what they do, i love cheryl and she has nothing but love and good ntentions but common sense seems to have left her long ago. Some of the things she does there is verry childish in the fact that she has to get what she wants asap 24/7. Group is about what she wants to happen and she tries to make you into who she wants you to be. everything there like going to ammromon church and the singing is all what she wanted and with good intentions but she needs to realize that she is not there mother, in fact she is the owner of Residential treatment center/boarding school andshe cant just do what she wants and say whatever she wants to because there are certain responsibilties when it comes to owning a buiness especially one as fragile as houseing 40 kids at a time. you dont see the principle of your school trying to be like a parent and taking you to his church every sunday and having consequences if you dont. If cheryl. you do believe eberything happens for a reason then what do these lawsuits mean to you. Also the cops had to have something to be able to search the mansion. I know most of the acusations are false and are from kids who couldnt deal with there own problems, but it is time to change or retire. You make it to personal and i know u think that is the key but it isnt. You have had more than on stroke. Now she does have good intentions and physical abuse on her part is out of the question. Ya some of the kids got in fight but like every other school its normal. i dont think she deserves to go to jail at all but it iss time to wake up, get out of your hole and realize you bring this sadness upon yourself by dwelling on this website and being codependent on everone around to fix it or make you feel better. It is time for change and it is time to grow and stop acting like a spoiled child.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on September 16, 2005, 05:50:00 PM
Thank you for your very insightful post. You did not mention anything about SCHOOL.  The Sudweeks claim that they are now an ACADEMICS BOARDING SCHOOL ONLY--so the focus should be on school only; and there should not be any groups, or therapy going on at the Whitmore the past few months.  Are you saying that the "therapy and group sessions have continued?
It has also been posted here that Cheryl Sudweeks never posts on this forum herself. Yet most of the threatening postings have been traced to the Whitmore. Do you think the kids at the Whitmore post these threats against former students and their parents?
What is it that Cheryl Sudweeks seems "to want to happen" from these marathon group sessions that she puts these kids through?  What is her purpose?
How do you explain the abuse charges against Cheryl from your viewpoint?
Do you feel that the money your parents spent for your educational goals was well spent?
Are you prepared educationally to re-enter high school, or to go on to college?
Thank you again for posting.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on September 16, 2005, 06:30:00 PM
yes i understand they try and say its academics only now and when i was there bernie turned thetheray into counseling for legal maters but either way it is still therapy and the authorities know it. I know they try to get around it but we know the truth. as for group she doesnt even realize she has to have a license for that. I know i can get by in colledge because i tought myself but i dont know if my diploma and transcripts will pass since im hearing toher kids are having trouble with them. I guess all i can do is try and if not im fucked.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on September 16, 2005, 07:30:00 PM
No offense to the parents who have or sent kids to this school, but in my mind, it makes no sense to spend so much money on an education that may or not even be efficient (are there accredited teachers on property??).  Second, the "religious" component to this school (or is it a program??) is troublesome in that it appears the owners are Mormon.  Do non-Mormon kids have a choice to worship at the church of THEIR faith?  Is going to church actually in the "agreement" or is it strictly voluntary?

Either way, it seems to me if parents are sending their kids to this boarding school to get an education and spending this kind of money, their kids should be getting a FIRST-CLASS education.

Is that the case?  Is this a first-class education?

 :???:
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on September 16, 2005, 10:10:00 PM
No on the accedited teachers: Cheryl Sudweeks and her husband Mark are listed as "teachers" on the Staff Page, and neither are certified teachers. Think Cheryl Sudweeks graduated from High School.  Also listed are the Sudweeks's daughters, Trinity, Shayla, Laysea, and a so-called-adopted-daughter (who is not actually adopted, either), Darlene: NONE of these girls are certified teachers either. Laysea is age 18. The signed contract states that Trinity is trained by Monty Robert, The Horse Whisperer--but this is NOT TRUE, either...but it "sounded good at the time," right? Also, listed on STAFF is Mark's elderly mother, Venice.  The other two on the STAFF Page are Verne: Carpentry Skills, and Ben: Martial Arts.  Hardly sounds like a quality Academics Boarding School with high expectations for the students.

The students have no choice about attending the Mormon Church.  They are punished if they do not attend, even if they are sick. When enrolled, the parents are told that the kids can go to any church they choose in Nephi; but that is not how it is in reality.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on September 16, 2005, 10:16:00 PM
That's too bad about your diploma and transcript.  Why are there problems with them? The Whitmore advertises that it is "fully accredited."  Shouldn't that make the transcripts valid? Are some students presenting their transcripts to colleges and having them rejected?  It has been posted on this forum that the Sudweeks are being investigated for "fraud." Could this be one of the reasons why?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on September 16, 2005, 10:22:00 PM
Former Student: If Bernie Farrow is conducting individual therapy sessions with the students at Whitmore Academy, then why would Mark Sudweeks state in the TRIBUNE newspaper that "we are out of the teen help business?"  How would the Sudweeks expect to get parents to enroll their kids if the Sudweeks say publicly that they DO NOT OFFER THERAPY?  The Sudweeks announced publicly that the Whitmore is an "Academics Only Boarding School."  So, where would their students who need therapy come from?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on September 16, 2005, 10:26:00 PM
to student who just went home. how does cheryl react to the enrollment going from 40+ kids down to only about 14 kids being there now?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on September 17, 2005, 01:07:00 AM
What authorities know about Bernie doing therapy?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on September 19, 2005, 10:37:00 AM
Former student, do you stay in contact with the Sudweeks since you left Whitmore? What do they say about the criminal trial?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on September 19, 2005, 07:25:00 PM
Understand the Suds are back with the kiddos from Canada. Maybe the criminal trial will get back on track?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on September 20, 2005, 03:09:00 PM
i went to the whitmore and i think cheryl sudweeks is a stuck-up and selfish bitch. i just faked my way through the program like lots of other kids. you have to because everybody knows they gotta play by the rules there.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on September 20, 2005, 09:14:00 PM
That is a shame, that your parents paid tons of money for you to be at a "school that offered therapy," and you had to "fake you way through a program" because the OWNER, School DIRECTOR was viewed as a "stuck up, selfish bitch."  What did your parents think about wasting so much money?
What were some of the "RULES" you had to play by to get through your time at the Whitmore?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on September 20, 2005, 09:21:00 PM
To the former student who posted on 9-16-05. Is this "Mouse?"
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on September 21, 2005, 02:41:00 PM
Hey Cheryl, ready to cop that plea?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on September 22, 2005, 04:31:00 PM
Mouse?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on September 24, 2005, 02:03:00 PM
Caitlyn?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on September 28, 2005, 11:05:00 AM
Why have the former students stopped posting. Anything to do with the Sudweeks returning from Canada?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on September 28, 2005, 02:16:00 PM
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0g8bp/the8 ... id145.html (http://mysite.verizon.net/res0g8bp/the8thstep2/id145.html)

http://www.isaccorp.org/whitmore/reginavsudweeks.pdf (http://www.isaccorp.org/whitmore/reginavsudweeks.pdf)

http://www.animaladvocates.com/seizures ... dweeks.htm (http://www.animaladvocates.com/seizures/Regina-v.Sudweeks.htm)


These people are a real work of art!
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on September 29, 2005, 09:43:00 AM
They sure are, and they are being held accountable for their actions!
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on September 30, 2005, 04:57:00 PM
What happened to Nate who started this thread?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: samoan_built on October 15, 2005, 01:44:00 AM
i have been busy with school lately but never assume that because im not posting that the whitmore doesnt have 100% support from me because they do. and to whoever said cheryl is a "stuck-up bitch" sorry you feel that way. no one is perfect, but i think that to be perfect is to be perfectly trying. and thats what she does. all she wants to do is help and its a shame you were faking it. I dont know who you are and frankly i dont want to because it would break my heart. and cheryls. im not going to get all mad and hurt over it i just think its a shame. I just hope it isnt sky because he was one of my favorite kids.
i will always support cheryl and mark and everyone in favor of the whitmore here
1luv
nate
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on October 15, 2005, 11:14:00 AM
nate, have you given any thought to the kids who were abused at cheryl's hand or direction?  even though you say you were not abused, how can you condone by your support of the sudeweeks what happened to these kids?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: samoan_built on October 16, 2005, 02:51:00 PM
im not going to get into this again, it stressed me out really bad last time, but consider this, do you think i would still be posting after all this time if i thought she was some evil child abuser? and who lived with her for a YEAR? me, so i would think i know her better than almost anyone who will ever post on this site. as pissed as you might be over a couple rumors, life goes on, and both you and me have much better things to do than argue this point.
till the day i die i will love her like i love my own mother, and no amount of internet bashing is going to change that. so i dont really see the point here
1luv
nate[ This Message was edited by: samoan_built on 2005-10-16 11:53 ]
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on October 16, 2005, 07:01:00 PM
nate, there is nothing to argue about.  the abuse charges are not rumors.  there are kids who were there a year also, some more than a year.  things did happen to them -- abusive things.  how do you discount that abuse??????
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on October 17, 2005, 11:07:00 AM
Nate, why would you think Sky is posting here about Cheryl? Isn't he still at the Whitmore?
These are not "rumors." These are formal CRIMINAL CHARGES!  Big difference there.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on October 17, 2005, 11:08:00 AM
Cheryl Sudweeks is "perfectly trying?" She seems to have it all down pat! We will get to hear the details in the criminal trial.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on October 18, 2005, 01:39:00 AM
Nate, any heads-up on who's graduating in November?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on October 18, 2005, 11:23:00 PM
Perhaps Evan knows about graduation.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on October 19, 2005, 12:25:00 AM
it kind of disturbs me that you are on a first name basis with a teenager that you have never met
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on October 19, 2005, 12:45:00 AM
Evan opened his own topic on this thread. He posted his OWN name.
Title: In response to you all.
Post by: Anonymous on October 18, 2006, 09:36:52 PM
To Whom It Does Not Concern;

I too am a former troubled student of Whitmore Academy.  I am now 22 years old and own and operate my own businesses and this was due to Mark and Cheryls' express care and co-operation between a troubled teen (me) and life-long freinds and teachers (Mark and Cheryl).  If there is any question about the actions which Mark and Cheryl are being accused of please contact me Shane Haley at [email protected] or give me a call at 406-270-2243.  If neither of these suit those of you who have doubts about these fine people's innocence, if you are in my neck of the woods I suppose we could just meet on the corner and tango.  I'm fed up with a crooked system!!!!
Call Me
Shane Haley
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on October 18, 2006, 09:40:52 PM
Yeah, me too.  Cheryl should have been charged with assault.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on October 18, 2006, 09:59:26 PM
Where's your name Buddy?

Let's Talk.  Or better yet, let's ACT!!!


Shane Haley
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on October 18, 2006, 11:19:11 PM
It's been acted upon.  She pled no contest to four counts of hazing.  She can't operate a teen facility in Juab county for the rest of her life.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on October 19, 2006, 10:44:15 AM
The civil case is in the deposition stage.
There's plenty to "act" on there, too.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on October 24, 2006, 12:51:19 AM
Still no name?
Coward!

ShaneHaley
Title: not that anyone still reads these things...
Post by: samoan_built on October 01, 2007, 01:40:59 AM
But its been almost three years since my return from the whitmore, and nothing has changed about my feelings towards mark and cheryl. I am a freshman at Texas Tech University, and I am working towards a degree in International Business. None of this could have been possible without the help of Mark and Cheryl Sudweeks. To those of you who would dispute that fact, I would like to say that you don't know me. You didn't know me before the Whitmore, and you still don't. The changes that they wrought in my life were only for the better. I think about them every day, and I will always support them in whatever they do.
To Mark and Cheryl I would like to say that they should never regret anything they have done for all these kids. Who could feel shame over a life devoted to the help of troubled young adults? I know that saying all this is unnecessary, I know you already know the truth and are proud of your life's work, and as well you should be. All you ever need to do to gain my help is ask, I owe you so much. I love y'all.
-Nate
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on October 01, 2007, 02:06:02 AM
Congratulations on the beginning of your college career at Texas Tech. Lubbocks's a long way from Nephi, Utah; and about 300 miles from your location in Austin, Texas, isn't it?  Good luck!
The Suds might "regret a few things" considering Cheryl Sudweeks copped a plea in the criminal case; since the civil case is still on-going; and since Whitmore Academy is closed down, wouldn't you think?
What do you think their future plans might be, now that Cheryl can't operate a facility in Juab County for the rest of her life? Any idea what happened to that new place they planned to build in Juab County?
Will you be testifying as a witness in the civil case on behalf of your friends, the Sudweeks?
Again, Good luck at Texas Tech!
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: samoan_built on October 01, 2007, 02:35:45 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Congratulations on the beginning of your college career at Texas Tech. Lubbocks's a long way from Nephi, Utah; and about 300 miles from your location in Austin, Texas, isn't it?  Good luck!
The Suds might "regret a few things" considering Cheryl Sudweeks copped a plea in the criminal case; since the civil case is still on-going; and since Whitmore Academy is closed down, wouldn't you think?
What do you think their future plans might be, now that Cheryl can't operate a facility in Juab County for the rest of her life? Any idea what happened to that new place they planned to build in Juab County?
Will you be testifying as a witness in the civil case on behalf of your friends, the Sudweeks?
Again, Good luck at Texas Tech!


Concerning your congratulations, thanks, whether you meant it or not. I don't think they regret anything except the lies that were told about them, or that they are no longer able to help out kids because of filth like you. As to their plans, I wouldn't know, probably off to somewhere remote, to get away from your kind. You can say what you want to me about "brainwashing" and you can pick apart my statements until you are so desperate for a putdown you grasp at straws, saying things like, "well his username used to be krazymormon so he must be crazy!" You can write your insane little poems about gorillas and baby kangaroos. You can try and tear down my resolve to support the Whitmore; all you have done is to no effect. I've taken your worst since '04, and I still feel the same.
You have fun dissecting this next thing I am going to say, you can take it and twist it and rearrange it to make me look like a crazy uneducated barbarian, or a mindless pawn of Cheryl's... you do whatever the fuck you want with this, I no longer care. But...

Fuck all of you, you are a bunch of blood-sucking sorry excuses for humans. I am ashamed to ever be associated with you, even if it's to say we had words on some inane little forum. Cheryl and Mark are amazing, I will always feel this way. And Shane Haley had it right. If you think you got the sack for it and you want to have it out like a man, get at me at [email protected] , and we can do some debating in a back alley.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on October 01, 2007, 06:39:17 PM
well, Nathan, you certainly read a LOT into a post that just wasn't written there. Never called you "crazy" and never said you were "brainwashed."
ONLY asked a few questions - and here you wanna fight someone you are calling "filth" that you don't even don't even know in an alley?
Take a deep breath, and calm down a bit; and try to get that anger under control.  And the congratulations and good luck was sincere; and try to have some fun while you're at it.  Jeezzzzz.
Title: there you go
Post by: samoan_built on October 02, 2007, 12:34:21 AM
You must be retarded or something. Did you think I was talking to you personally? I was talking to every cowardly anon that has tried to give me shit over the last three years, and if you look back over the course of this topic, you will see that everything I have mentioned has been said to me at some point.
But thank you for proving my point, even if you don't understand what it is. :lol:
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on October 02, 2007, 01:02:24 AM
Yep, sure thought since your answer to the poster, kept saying "YOU" that perhaps all that anger; offer to meet in an alley, was directed to that particular poster.  Wow, glad to know it wasn't personal; and was directed to "all anons."
BTW. of these posts bother you so much; why do you come back here for three years and read them?
Nothing has changed: Cheryl Sudweeks still copped a plea in a criminal case. If she was innocent, why didn't she go to trial and prove her "innocence?"  Whitmore Academy is still closed down. And the Sudweeks are still being sued in a civil case.
So, what's changed in three years, except the Suds aren't making a bunch of money running a so-called "school?"
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on October 02, 2007, 12:19:31 PM
I guess you're right, they must be guilty, because the system is never wrong; no innocent has ever been falsely accused in the history of this country. And that would be sarcasm, in case you aren't picking up on it.
Why do I read them? I find it necessary to argue on the behalf of someone I call my best friend. How am I to argue without hearing rebuttals?
Yet still, you prove my point. No one but a second grader would need the clarification you are asking for. I doubt you really are that stupid, you just can't think of anything else to argue over because I am tripping you up.
Seriously though, do you have a serious rebuttal or are you going to nit-pick some more, maybe I mis-spelled or used a double negative, those are certainly grounds for your kind of argument.   :roll:
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: samoan_built on October 02, 2007, 12:23:32 PM
That was me by the way.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anne Bonney on October 02, 2007, 12:26:54 PM
No argument is necessary.  Cheryl plead guilty to hazing children.  Cheryl DID haze kids.  I don't care if she 'meant to help' or not.  What she did was deplorable.  The police saw it, the parents saw it, the kids saw it and now the courts have seen it.  That's really all we need.

Run along now.  The grownups are talking.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on October 02, 2007, 12:27:51 PM
No matter what your feeling are about the Sudweeks, the fact still remains that they took money for services they did not provide.  They inflicted punishment on kids that is considered by the educated world as child abuse.  Those are facts.  Those are truths.  There is no argument.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: samoan_built on October 02, 2007, 12:47:39 PM
I'm sure she had her reasons for pleading guilty. As for the hazing and taking money for services they didn't provide...I'm sorry, I forgot that y'all were there and I wasn't. Once again, sarcasm. I was sent to the Whitmore to be taken off drugs and rehabilitated, and thats exactly what happened. I came home, got my shit together, graduated high school, and now I'm in college. Standing before you as a prime example of the results of the Whitmore Academy.
I still maintain that no beatings or hazing took place, and that all the kids that accuse her of that mess are just whiny bitches looking for a buck or two because they are bitter about having been sent away. Many of the kids that went to the program with me will say the same thing, but I guess that you hear what you want to hear and when someone says differently they must be "brainwashed" or "under her control", or "just a kid who doesn't know what he's talking about".
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anne Bonney on October 02, 2007, 12:58:24 PM
Quote from: ""samoan_built""
I'm sure she had her reasons for pleading guilty.


Uh yeah.  She was guilty.  DUH.


Jeez, are you people really this stupid?


 
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As for the hazing and taking money for services they didn't provide...I'm sorry, I forgot that y'all were there and I wasn't. Once again, sarcasm. I was sent to the Whitmore to be taken off drugs and rehabilitated, and thats exactly what happened.

Well, Joey's parents didn't get what they paid for.  Joyce Harris didn't get what she paid for.

You were sent to Whitmore for behavior modification.  You sure got that.


 
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I came home, got my shit together, graduated high school, and now I'm in college. Standing before you as a prime example of the results of the Whitmore Academy.
I still maintain that no beatings or hazing took place, and that all the kids that accuse her of that mess are just whiny bitches looking for a buck or two because they are bitter about having been sent away. Many of the kids that went to the program with me will say the same thing, but I guess that you hear what you want to hear and when someone says differently they must be "brainwashed" or "under her control", or "just a kid who doesn't know what he's talking about".



Yep, pretty much.  I combine my experience with what I see people like you post and with what the Whitmore detractors post and I form an opinion.  IMO, Whitmore is no different, fundamentally, than any of the other mindrape mills.  There is a freaky Mormon component to this, but its all the same BM crap.  Just a different wrapper.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: samoan_built on October 02, 2007, 03:25:13 PM
You can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped. Joey didn't want help. You can't get the smack out of a junky who doesn't want to be sober. Same way with Joey. If he really wants to be a lying prick for the rest of his life then there's nothing anyone can do about that. As for the kids like myself who saw the reality of the destructive path they were on and sought change, they were helped, and now they are all doing good.
Well I think it is quite obvious that nothing I say will change your mind. Likewise, my resolve to support my friends is firm as ever. So I'm off this sorry-ass site. I've said what I came to say, and the reason I did is not to convince you, but just to let those who support Mark and Cheryl know that I do as well.

I also wanted to let Mark and Cheryl know that they have my full support. If you need me just call.
Love Always,
Nate McKinley
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anne Bonney on October 02, 2007, 03:32:24 PM
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You can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped. Joey didn't want help.

But that's not what Whitmore promised now, was it?



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You can't get the smack out of a junky who doesn't want to be sober. Same way with Joey. If he really wants to be a lying prick for the rest of his life then there's nothing anyone can do about that. As for the kids like myself who saw the reality of the destructive path they were on and sought change, they were helped, and now they are all doing good.


Thank you for proving my point that forced or coerced 'therapy' is useless and quite often harmful.

 
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Well I think it is quite obvious that nothing I say will change your mind. Likewise, my resolve to support my friends is firm as ever. So I'm off this sorry-ass site. I've said what I came to say, and the reason I did is not to convince you, but just to let those who support Mark and Cheryl know that I do as well.

I also wanted to let Mark and Cheryl know that they have my full support. If you need me just call.
Love Always,
Nate McKinley




They've got your support and we've got the courts.  Works for me!!
::seg::
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on October 02, 2007, 04:10:15 PM
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I also wanted to let Mark and Cheryl know that they have my full support. If you need me just call.


It's rather sad and pitiful that a kid has to post on forum to offer his support to people he seems to like.   Guess the Sudweeks don'tt  bothered to keep in touch with kids, once they are no longer collecting the big bucks from the parents.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on October 02, 2007, 04:13:37 PM
Bet Joey didn't want to be "HELPED" down a flight of stairs by Cheryl Sudweeks, either, did he?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on October 02, 2007, 04:46:16 PM
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As to their plans, I wouldn't know, probably off to somewhere remote, to get away from your kind


Could you ask your dear friends, the Suds?
Enquiring minds want to know.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: chrisgentile on October 02, 2007, 09:48:17 PM
It has been quite some time since I've posted on these boards.

Nate -  Hope your doing well bud.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on October 03, 2007, 09:08:04 AM
Any idea what Chery Sudweeks did to serve out her community service to complete her plea bargain in the criminal case? Picking up trash somehow seems appropriate for such an  piece of trash.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on October 10, 2007, 02:25:56 PM
The negative spin-doctors here certainly know how to write inflammatory statements and make non-responsive responses to well-thought-out posts, yet they apparently aren't too well versed in simple reading skills.  

For those of you that can't seem to remember, or never got it in the first place, for the umpteenth time, Cheryl:

1. Did not plead guilty to anything;
2. Plead "no contest" to 4 "class C" misdemeanor charges of "attempted hazing";
3. The pleas were "held in abeyance", meaning they were NEVER actually legally entered as pleas in the criminal case, and no judgment of conviction nor sentence were ever imposed;
4. The "plea in abeyance" agreement provided that the case, along with the charges and her pleas, would all be dismissed after one year if she followed the terms to which she had agreed;
5. One year having now passed, the terms of the plea in abeyance agreement having been met, the case, all charges and her pleas, are now in the process of being dismissed; and
6. The "no contest' pleas in abeyance cannot legally ever be used against Cheryl or The Whitmore in the (now going nowehere fast) civil case.*


* Which is why the plaintiffs' civil attorney had such a conniption fit at the hearing in the criminal case where the judge accepted her pleas.  Fortunately for the taxpaying citizens of Juab County, as well as for Cheryl, the Juab County Attorney was smarter than the plaintiffs' attorney had hoped, it being made increasingly more obvious that he was simply being used to do the plaintiffs' dirty work, and having done much of it, seeing that there was less than bupkis evidence against Cheryl, let alone hope to convict her.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on October 11, 2007, 09:00:41 PM
"Plea in Abeyance" means Cheryl's "nolo contrendere" plea -- which is an agreement by the defendant that, in deed, the incidents charged happened -- would not be acted upon, unless Cheryl did not comform to the terms -- the terms being the same sentence she would have received if found guilty at trial.

"Nolo Contrendere" means "I do not wish to contend, fight or maintain a defense; it admits all facts stated in the indictment.  The plea of nolo contendere is equivalent to a plea of guilt for purposes of the criminal matter.  It cannot be used as an admission of guilt in other matters."

By the way, unless you are a plaintiff in the civil case or Mark or Cheryl, you could not possibly know anything about it.  And what you are stating, plain and simply, is untrue.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on October 11, 2007, 09:50:33 PM
Sounds like somebody's getting all riled up about something in WHITMORE LAND.  It is that time of year again.  Didn't all this "trouble" break out in the good ole month of OCTOBER 2004?   Anniversary time in WHITMORE LAND?  What would this be, 3rd Anniversary?   Celebration time, is it?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on October 11, 2007, 10:46:42 PM
Where's AMF?  A poem seems in order.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on October 12, 2007, 02:22:16 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
"Plea in Abeyance" means Cheryl's "nolo contrendere" plea -- which is an agreement by the defendant that, in deed, the incidents charged happened -- would not be acted upon, unless Cheryl did not comform to the terms -- the terms being the same sentence she would have received if found guilty at trial.

"Nolo Contrendere" means "I do not wish to contend, fight or maintain a defense; it admits all facts stated in the indictment.  The plea of nolo contendere is equivalent to a plea of guilt for purposes of the criminal matter.  It cannot be used as an admission of guilt in other matters."

By the way, unless you are a plaintiff in the civil case or Mark or Cheryl, you could not possibly know anything about it.  And what you are stating, plain and simply, is untrue.


To the budding legal eagle who tried to teach us the law - another. . .failure.

"Nolo contendre" is Latin for "No Contest."  The terms have NOTHING to do with the legal concept of  a "plea in abeyance", which can be used in either guilty or "no contest" plea situations.  

With respect to a "no contest" plea, the defendant does not "admit" the facts, rather the defendant simply agrees that he/she does not contest that the facts afford a reasonable basis for the court to accept the pleas.  If not, the court could not legally accept the pleas.

And, nope - not Mark nor Cheryl, nor a plaintiff.  But think what you want.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on October 12, 2007, 07:30:45 PM
Which Law book did you get your definition from,  Leagal Eagle?  Try again.  Ylu translation of Latin to English is correct, what it mean as far as its implications in the law is not you've got it wrong -- Legal Eagle.

And you know nothing about the civil lawsuit.  So, who are you trying to bullshit?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on October 12, 2007, 08:48:46 PM
Why did the Sudweeks close down Whitmore Academy?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on October 12, 2007, 11:12:12 PM
According to Barron's Law Dictionary:

NOLO CONTENDERE:  "Lat:  I do not wish to contend, fight or maintain a defense; not strictly a plea at all, but a statement that the defendant will not contend (a) charge made by the government.  119 F. Supp. 288, 290.
Like a demurrer to an indictment, it admits all facts stated in the indictment for purposes of a particular case, but it cannot be used as an admission elsewhere, as it is an implied confession only of the offense charged.  See 139 P. 2d 681, 689.  The plea of nolo contendere is equivalent to a plea of guilt for the purposes of the criminal matter and is accepted only in the discretion of the trial court, which must be satisfied that it is voluntary and intelligently entered and there is a factual basis to support it. "
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on October 17, 2007, 10:39:35 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Where's AMF?  A poem seems in order.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on October 18, 2007, 12:01:58 AM
Maybe everyone's pure-ly busy talking to GAO telling the pure truth?
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on October 31, 2007, 12:21:36 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Where's AMF?  A poem seems in order.



Paths are NARROWING...>>>>>>>>>>>>
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2007, 01:22:27 AM
Oh Goodie>>>>>>>>>
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2007, 02:59:34 PM
not amf again, that guys a damn idiot.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2007, 03:01:09 PM
not amf again, that guys a damn idiot.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2007, 04:20:47 PM
AMF is a POET with a message, not an idiot.
Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on December 03, 2007, 11:53:49 PM
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Title: cheryl's kids 4 life
Post by: Anonymous on December 03, 2007, 11:54:00 PM
who is amf ?????? has their identity been revealed yet? AMF Whoever you are I just want you to know that you are AWESOME !!!!!! :) :) :) :lol:   :D  :)  Yer quite the poet my friend