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way back when there was a series of discussions about whether people could make their own good fortune or whether it was fate and about how some people want handouts but other people make their own luck.

My position is that poverty gets a person stuck and it is extremely hard to get up without assistance.  Someone said if you want something bad enough you will get it.

So I went and applied to college.

I got in.

My financial aid was about nine thousand dollars short, despite the fact that I am poverty level.

I guess I will try again next year somewhere cheaper, but the myth that higher education is open to everyone is... a myth.

On Wes Fagers web site: "Sammie Monroe barred from DFAF. Samantha Monroe is the executive director of the newly founded SAFEYnet--an organization formed to protect the rights of youthful clients in Western rehabilitation programs. What we heard is that one day during the week of September 9, 2002 Ms. Monroe stopped by the Drug Free America Foundation (DFAF) to ask for a copy of their 990 tax returns. Story "

Uhm, y'all probably discussed this whole thing back in September when it was new news, but help me out here:  What is a 990?  Did Sammie ever get the tax returns?  What did they reveal?

"Now, if you read my post again, you will note that PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY is a major part of success. I said you have to work the grant thing. Same with social services. MEDICAID pays for every single thing you could get. Better than private insurance. If someone is UNABLE to fill out the form, someone will fill it out for them. Financial aid at college is one form sent to fed. Everything else is right on campus."

Oh, big fat whatever, Tampa.  You obviously have not been there.  There was no MEDICAID for me.  (Though there would have been if I had been PREGNANT).  And I was sick and needed to just be able to deal with my health problems and not have to avoid the payment window and get threatening bills in the mail every month, and be able to get the right kind of tests and maybe the more expensive medication.  And to rest in bed for a week or two at least instead of freezing and working like a dog.  A couple years later, I finally get a real diagnosis and the medicine is very expensive.

And school takes way more than those grants or whatever.  It helps to not be sick in the first place, and not be exhausted all the time from being freezing cold.  

So BIG FAT WHATEVER.

I really should not get mad when people don't get it.  I should just feel sorry for them because it could easily enough happen to them too.  All it takes is a slow chronic illness or one catastrophe.

And the thing is, the thing that you don't get because you don't know me, I DID NOT WANT HANDOUTS.  Here's what I got when I was poor: free food from a food pantry charity that was just canned peas and breakfast cereals and pasta and rice, and it was counted, so I only got maybe a weeks worth of edible stuff that way -- the stuff you shove to the back of your cabinets and forget about.  It helped, but it was not the whole healthy foods I desperately needed at the time.  I got maybe four months worth of food stamps.  I got $150 from a charity one time to pay PART of my rent.  I got an untrained "counselor" to talk to me for free.  This person suggested to me that I could get on disability because I obviously had PTSD (crying all the time, etc.).  But I totally did not want to do that.  I was not helpless at all, and I wasn't going to live as if I was.

All I am saying is that people do get down and out, and somehow, in a civil society in one of the richest countries in the world, where Hollywood blows up mansions and fifty-thousand dollar cars for entertainment, there ought to be a helping hand to get a person back up again.  Not to LIVE on handouts, not at all, only to help improve things so they don't die a slow and lonely death.

"What seperates the engineers, doctors, RNs, lawyers and web designers among us from those who are bitter?"
AN EDUCATION

"and questions like, are you doing better now. Are you still applying your program? That was a good program if only you would apply it."

wow holy cow I can't believe they still talk like that to you!  maybe you should hire a deprogrammer.

I don't blame you for not going over there.

beautiful, kpickle

On 2002-11-08 20:48:00, Anonymous wrote: "You fucking arrogant assed American, I cant believe that you people would point fingers at straight for a type of holocaust then turn around and want to do dna testing on arabs so they cant be pilots."

This was in response to what SysAdmin wrote earlier in this thread:
"Besides, if you are going to test for drugs, why don't we do some DNA testing too so we can weed out ppl of Arab descent."

The whole point of SysAdmin's post was that he was against drug testing, therefore, by pairing that with DNA testing of Arabs, he was trying to make drug testing seem as offensive as DNA testing.  In other words, he was being sarcastic.  The offense was mine to take rather than an Arab person's, because he compared me -- who would (might, jury is out) like to drug test (in certain situations only) -- to someone who would like to DNA test for racist purposes.

"If you find my comment's about Arabs offensive that is a shame, sarcasm is one of the things I do best :smile: "

I knew you were being sarcastic, but it seemed like you were saying that because I condoned drug testing on pilots, I would also scapegoat Arabs.

"My only concern it that he is not impaired at the time he is to preform his duties."  

That is exactly how I feel.  Alcohol and mj can affect me even the next day.  Oh, hey, I just had an idea.  What if, instead of drug testing the pilots, they sent them into a simulator for five or ten minutes before their shift to test their reaction time and decision making and all that.  That would be much better -- it might send them home if they were overtired or coming down with the flu as well as drunk or high.