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Post by: seamus on April 07, 2005, 04:17:00 PM
how some of you bicker like little kids. jesus joseph and tap dancin' mary.opinions vary,stra ight vs life,ross vs nay,he said she said.I got myself into this shit inadvertantly but still,i went on.my life has sucked at times that shit is mostly down on me.I do not blame straight life petermann ross ney amywrong doughemmoroid or any of the rest of those idiots for what ive done since my time in there.its odd to me ,this whole us vs them deal .WHERE's the GODDAMN LOVE???? NOT FOR FUCKING STRAIGHT BUT FOR EACH OTHER.IM gonna get out my fucking ouija board and conjure up the ghosts of pam mc intosh and chuck cannon . fuck it ::puke::
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Post by: Anonymous on April 07, 2005, 04:27:00 PM
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... um=7#93404 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=9044&forum=7#93404)  :tup:
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Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2005, 09:29:00 AM
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"how some of you bicker like little kids. jesus joseph and tap dancin' mary.opinions vary,stra ight vs life,ross vs nay,he said she said.I got myself into this shit inadvertantly but still,i went on.my life has sucked at times that shit is mostly down on me.I do not blame straight life petermann ross ney amywrong doughemmoroid or any of the rest of those idiots for what ive done since my time in there.its odd to me ,this whole us vs them deal .WHERE's the GODDAMN LOVE???? NOT FOR FUCKING STRAIGHT BUT FOR EACH OTHER.IM gonna get out my fucking ouija board and conjure up the ghosts of pam mc intosh and chuck cannon . fuck it ::puke:: "

Some people here need to realize they are no longer in Straight, in group or on their phases, jesus christ some of you are still stuck at the age of 15 , 16 or whatever and still act as if you are on front row! Get over it already! If you want to make a differance in current programs fine, yours is over with get on with life already. Unfucking believeable. Good post seamus
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Post by: Dr Fucktard on April 08, 2005, 09:36:00 AM
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Some people here need to realize they are no longer in Straight, in group or on their phases, jesus christ some of you are still stuck at the age of 15 , 16 or whatever and still act as if you are on front row! Get over it already!

This is bullshit! Who in the fuck do you think you are??? You're attempting to rob the druggies on this board of what was no doubt one of the best experiences in their lives!?!? Spout your damned BULLSHIT elsewhere, please.   :flame:
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Post by: free on April 08, 2005, 10:45:00 AM
First off Dr. Fucktard entertains me. 2nd. You all are right. I am not living Straight life today. I posted trying to find people from Straight Inc. in Florida and it almost turned into Bust-Ass Rap. Don't have time for the whining and excuses of why people's lives are fucked up today. You think Straight was the most terrible place.....Go to Somalia for a visit and see what those people went through. I live a decent life today with a great ex-wife and kid. I don't hold Straight accountable for any mistakes I've made once I got out. I hated that place with a passion. If there was one thing I took from that place and I tried to leave everything behind trust me on that one. It was jails, institutions, and death. Didn't stay sober after Straight, but visited the jails, institutions, and ran into someone drunk and almost killed them. Anyway I am sober today. It just took years of investigating.
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Post by: seamus on April 08, 2005, 01:20:00 PM
im hearing that! i did likewise.But you won t hear me blame any body else for it. ::boohoo::
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Post by: ` on April 08, 2005, 02:49:00 PM
YAAWWNN!

the old "whining and blaming" script again... where was it i last heard those words used all the time? huh. can't remember...
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Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2005, 03:10:00 PM
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"YAAWWNN!



the old "whining and blaming" script again... where was it i last heard those words used all the time? huh. can't remember..."


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Post by: PerfectStraightling on April 08, 2005, 05:39:00 PM
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"I don't hold Straight accountable for any mistakes I've made once I got out."


What would be wrong with holding people accountable?? If a child is raped (even emotionally) and ends up having difficulties later on, is it their fault for being what, weak? Self centered? Selfish? Or maybe they just enjoy pain? (Who knows, maybe they deserved it?)

There aren't a lot of people who weren't there that can truly understand the feeling of being locked up in straight, which is one thing this board provides. Having feelings about it doesnt mean we all have no life  :roll: and that we're all

In our pity
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Feeling sorry for ourselves
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Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2005, 07:17:00 PM
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"I don't hold Straight accountable for any mistakes I've made once I got out."




What would be wrong with holding people accountable?? If a child is raped (even emotionally) and ends up having difficulties later on, is it their fault for being what, weak? Self centered? Selfish? Or maybe they just enjoy pain? (Who knows, maybe they deserved it?)



There aren't a lot of people who weren't there that can truly understand the feeling of being locked up in straight, which is one thing this board provides. Having feelings about it doesnt mean we all have no life  :roll: and that we're all



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  AS a CHILD, it's not "wrong" to hold someone accountable who has raped you, etc...  as the child GROWS and emotionally works on themselves, blaming OTHERS does NOTHING but place blame, therefore choosing to play the "victim" for life.  
 You CAN'T CONTROL what happens to you.  You CAN DECIDE how to respond and grow, learn, mature and move on.
  Many on these boards have CHOOSEN to BLAME Straight, staff, etc, for ALL their problems today. Playing that VICTIM for life.  Grow up and be an adult.  It's SO freeing, to stop blaming others!
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Post by: PerfectStraightling on April 08, 2005, 07:53:00 PM
Maybe a lot of people on here have never let themselves BE the victim. Maybe we've spent so much time crucifying ourselves it feels nice to have someone say, you're not that screwed up little druggie asshole they told you you were. You're not a horrible person that deserves to be treated like a dog, or worse. How do you know nobody has a life at ALL and is trying to play the victim, FOR LIFE? I don't think things are really that black and white.

I do understand one thing you may be trying to get at. Why sit around all day feeling bad and not doing anything about it, right? I agree, but I think part of the process of doing something about it is acknowleging that we were wronged...and that they were wrong about us. I doubt that anyone who truly believes that they aren't that screwed up little shit that we were told is going to want to feel bad, is going to want to sit around and be sad. What would they have to feel sad about?

Also, how will we be able to protect ourselves, if we don't respect ourselves and our needs, if we don't realize what kind of treatment is acceptable and what isn't. If it doesn't matter what other people do to us, only how we react, why not just let people treat us however they want. It's only how we react, right? Never blaming others will not only NOT be freeing, it will keep us in chains. The chains of not allowing yourself to be as you truly are, to not have the feelings you have and to not respect yourself as you are. Of course we can't necessarily control other people, but we can see them for what they are and take action accordingly. [ This Message was edited by: JMA on 2005-04-08 17:11 ]
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Post by: Antigen on April 08, 2005, 08:34:00 PM
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You CAN'T CONTROL what happens to you. You CAN DECIDE how to respond and grow, learn, mature and move on.



Yes, this is very, very true. And I've decided to respond by trying to get my generation of mothers to stop and think about this bullshit so they'll see it coming when Officer Friendly suggest they turn their kids over to them for "help". I'll move on as soon as I'm done.

How have you decided to respond?

It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat

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Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2005, 10:34:00 PM
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You CAN'T CONTROL what happens to you. You CAN DECIDE how to respond and grow, learn, mature and move on.






Yes, this is very, very true. And I've decided to respond by trying to get my generation of mothers to stop and think about this bullshit so they'll see it coming when Officer Friendly suggest they turn their kids over to them for "help". I'll move on as soon as I'm done.



How have you decided to respond?

It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat


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  I've decided to repond by doing something positive to HELP.   I work with new and young parents and encourage bonding with their babies, educating them on child development, informing then on parenting skills, discipline and how to build their children's self esteem.  I encourage education and professional growth, and to be role models for their children.
  I feel this is much more effective than re-hashing my angst teen years, and blaming the program, staff or whatever...
 Thanks for asking.
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Post by: Antigen on April 08, 2005, 10:57:00 PM
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  I've decided to repond by doing something positive to HELP.   I work with new and young parents and encourage bonding with their babies, educating them on child development, informing then on parenting skills, discipline and how to build their children's self esteem.  I encourage education and professional growth, and to be role models for their children.

  I feel this is much more effective than re-hashing my angst teen years, and blaming the program, staff or whatever...

 Thanks for asking."


Good! Maybe some of them will get hooked in and become so well bonded w/ their kids that they'll be gut wise and not buy into that bullshit. For those who don't take your courses, I'm trying to catch a few fly balls that come my way.

Among all of us, I think we can really staunch the flow. Here's hoping!  ::cheers::

The United States of America should have a foundation free from the influence of clergy.".
--George Washington, Revolutionary War General and U.S. President

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Post by: free on April 11, 2005, 10:33:00 AM
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"I don't hold Straight accountable for any mistakes I've made once I got out."








What would be wrong with holding people accountable?? If a child is raped (even emotionally) and ends up having difficulties later on, is it their fault for being what, weak? Self centered? Selfish? Or maybe they just enjoy pain? (Who knows, maybe they deserved it?)





There aren't a lot of people who weren't there that can truly understand the feeling of being locked up in straight, which is one thing this board provides. Having feelings about it doesnt mean we all have no life  :wave:
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Post by: free on April 11, 2005, 10:43:00 AM
And maybe, just maybe, I wasn't as fucked up as they told me. Maybe I just lacked some coping skills. Maybe if I had parents who taught me coping skills things would have been different. Since my parents couldn't, they thought Straight could. Straight didn't teach anything about coping skills. They did teach how to beat and bash people to rid them of any self-esteem though ::bangin::  [ This Message was edited by: free on 2005-04-11 07:45 ]
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Post by: Antigen on April 11, 2005, 02:07:00 PM
I think maybe we're tripping over muddy definitions here.

Blame? Do I blame Straight, The Seed and the whole toughlove hategroup culture for further messing up my family? Indeed I do.

That doesn't mean that I want or expect any kind of vindication or to punish anyone for it or for "them" (whoever "they" may be defined) to do anything to make it right. I just want to try and correct the broadly held misconception that this particular form of therapy is really therapeutic. It's not. In most cases, it seems to be quite distructive.

I just don't want this or the next or the next generation of parents to fall for the scam and I want all public funding, endorsement and support for this form of abuse as therapy to stop.

T'is an ill wind that blows no minds.
--Anonymity Anonymous (http://fornits.com/anonanon)
Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
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Post by: Anonymous on April 11, 2005, 02:09:00 PM
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 You think Straight was the most terrible place.....Go to Somalia for a visit and see what those people went through.


Should a person with no shoes cut off their feet?

Should a raped woman be grateful she was not murdered?

Should a beaten child feel lucky that it wasn't worse?

I can always spot AA members by the "visit another country clause" and the good ole acceptance speech.


Maybe people in Somalia should visit the United States and see that change is possible.
Our country has gone through a lot of battles and debates to achieve the way of life we see today.
My gratitude goes out to the brave people that Did NOT accept life on tyrants terms.

More sober people visit jails than drunks.
Institutions house loads of people with mental illnesses that have NEVER drank alcohol.

Problems of the world are NOT reserved for alcoholics.  Trust me, you guys are NOT that fucking special.

You read like a taped message that I can hear again and again and again and again and again at any AA meeting.

From "my experience" it is possible to be sober AND think for myself.

AA claimed that I have a deadly disease that will kill me if I drank a beer.  1000 beers later I'm still alive.

greed mongers told parents that a puff of pot will kill their kids and that they need help in Straight, INC.  Many years later Straight, INC is looking for help to hide the abuse they delivered to those kids.  

Life can always be worse.
Life can always be better.
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Post by: Anonymous on April 11, 2005, 02:11:00 PM
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 You think Straight was the most terrible place.....Go to Somalia for a visit and see what those people went through.




Should a person with no shoes cut off their feet?



Should a raped woman be grateful she was not murdered?



Should a beaten child feel lucky that it wasn't worse?



I can always spot AA members by the "visit another country clause" and the good ole acceptance speech.





Maybe people in Somalia should visit the United States and see that change is possible.

Our country has gone through a lot of battles and debates to achieve the way of life we see today.

My gratitude goes out to the brave people that Did NOT accept life on tyrants terms.



More sober people visit jails than drunks.

Institutions house loads of people with mental illnesses that have NEVER drank alcohol.



Problems of the world are NOT reserved for alcoholics.  Trust me, you guys are NOT that fucking special.



You read like a taped message that I can hear again and again and again and again and again at any AA meeting.



From "my experience" it is possible to be sober AND think for myself.



AA claimed that I have a deadly disease that will kill me if I drank a beer.  1000 beers later I'm still alive.



greed mongers told parents that a puff of pot will kill their kids and that they need help in Straight, INC.  Many years later Straight, INC is looking for help to hide the abuse they delivered to those kids.  



Life can always be worse.

Life can always be better.

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Post by: PerfectStraightling on April 11, 2005, 03:10:00 PM
I agree with what you said Free. Blaming other people as an excuse to participate in self destructive behavior hurts you and not the people you are blaming. I think though there is room for being angry and hurt and to still not engage in self destructive behavior --- I believe that one does not necessarily imply the other. I also think working through that anger and hurt will untimately be more freeing than not allowing it, which was something that we didn't have the freedom of doing while in straight. I'm glad I have it now.
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Post by: Dr Fucktard on April 11, 2005, 03:19:00 PM
...means good business for SIBS. :tup:
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Post by: Anonymous on April 11, 2005, 05:23:00 PM
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On 2005-04-11 12:10:00, JMA wrote:

"I agree with what you said Free. Blaming other people as an excuse to participate in self destructive behavior hurts you and not the people you are blaming. I think though there is room for being angry and hurt and to still not engage in self destructive behavior --- I believe that one does not necessarily imply the other. I also think working through that anger and hurt will untimately be more freeing than not allowing it, which was something that we didn't have the freedom of doing while in straight. I'm glad I have it now."
I actually see both points. Anonymous wrote 1000 beers later and I am still alive. I think that is wonderful. 1000 beers later and I almost killed someone. It didn't kill me and all I was saying is I almost killed someone else. As far as Antigen wrote....My father still throws the Straight lingo at me. When he doesn't get his way he likes to say " Are you drinking again!!!!! You are fucked up in the head Son." Yes I still here that. That's his fucking problem. He needs to get over it. To elaborate, Straight taught our parents tough love which came across to my Father as I am a fucked up druggie and anything I say should be discredited because I am a druggie. I am 30 now and he still uses that silly shit against me. I got a family of my own to worry about now. Not my father throwing Straight shit at me. I get to laugh at it now. I am sorry if I offended anyone. It is what it is. I am still for closing down the concentration camps. JMA heard what I was implying. Excuses for current self destructive behavior. I'll tell you what, I like going down the road and being able to listen to music.
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Post by: PerfectStraightling on April 11, 2005, 05:48:00 PM
I wish I could laugh at it, but it is still hard for me. My mother doesn't throw straight lingo at me, just always, "you're not normal." Or, the incomprehensible "you're like a person with a hole in her head." (???) But...I still live my life and have fun and behave a lot like a "normal" person would.

Maybe one day I will be able to laugh at it too.  :smile:  :smile:  :tup:

I can appreciate what you said though, Free. Being able to listen to the music is good.
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Post by: free on April 11, 2005, 08:27:00 PM
The other things I appreciate is not having to sing I am Straight, Hey look me over, trying to remember the other ones. That sucked on Friday nights with all those parents staring.!.!
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Post by: free on April 11, 2005, 08:40:00 PM
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On 2005-04-11 14:48:00, JMA wrote:

"I wish I could laugh at it, but it is still hard for me. My mother doesn't throw straight lingo at me, just always, "you're not normal." Or, the incomprehensible "you're like a person with a hole in her head." (???) But...I still live my life and have fun and behave a lot like a "normal" person would.



Maybe one day I will be able to laugh at it too.  :smile:  :smile:  :tup:



I can appreciate what you said though, Free. Being able to listen to the music is good.

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Oh, I almost forgot. My dad has gone as far to say that I am fucking my kid's head up in the process. I only laugh because I have other things to focus on. My son is only 5. He keeps me entertained. As far as being normal....Name one person who went to Straight that is normal. I am told by my ex-wife I am not normal. Talk at ya later. We are back together now though.
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Post by: Anonymous on April 12, 2005, 12:00:00 AM
When I used to smoke cigs. I used to crack my window in my car. My father said I was abusing my children with them in the car with me while I smoked. I quit smoking but how dare he say such a thing to me. He put me in Straight!
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Post by: Anonymous on April 13, 2005, 09:04:00 PM
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Post by: Animals on April 20, 2005, 01:27:00 PM
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Post by: Dr Fucktard on April 20, 2005, 01:33:00 PM
How creative.  :roll:
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Post by: RTP2003 on April 20, 2005, 10:19:00 PM
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Should a person with no shoes cut off their feet?


Yes, and then we should kick them when they try to stand.