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The Troubled Teen Industry / Parents should be held accountable!
« on: February 17, 2004, 12:17:00 PM »
The second ANON on this page is one of these allegedly coerced parents.  Please read


http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?So ... &start=200

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"apparently others that were there during the time periods you were NOT there say that it DID happen"

Please direct any and all SAFE people my way.  I would love to chat with them.  The reason I even started posting on this site was to try and understand why people at SAFE were so upset about their experience.    I am completely open to listening to others.  On earlier posts I conceded that I saw and heard things in the WAMI video that did not sound or look right to me.  Yes, you and I will agree to disagree.  I look forward to hearing from the many people that were in SAFE that are making these statements.

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[ This Message was edited by: exsafecounselor on 2004-02-16 12:48 ]

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You sound like a lawyer.  Is there a possibility that it happened and I did not know about it?  Of course!  Is there a possibility that it never happened?  Of course!  

Basically, what I get from your last post is that you are not concerned about what I said, but rather that I used the word "never."  Is this really why you read and post on this forum, to squabble over one word?  I dont think so.

Even if one kid was abused, that does not mean a place is abusive.  Are you a lawyer in real life?  Thats like saying that because one kid was treated with dignity and respect in Straight, that Straight treated all kids that way.

[ This Message was edited by: exsafecounselor on 2004-02-16 10:02 ]

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You disappoint me.  What basis do any of you have for backing up your claims other than it happened to me 15 years ago in Straight.  I too have tolerated ex-Straight people who think that because they were in the program, that somehow makes them an expert on all TC programs.  

Emotion is what rules your life-resentment, anger and mostly fear.  Why is is that I am brainwashed when I say something you simply dont agree with?  How is it that I became brainwashed?  Who brainwashed me and how?  Somehow it is easier for you to accept that I have been brainwashed (which is an extreme thing), than it is to accept that you might be misled, mistaken, or simply ignorant of what you are talking about.

If you go back and look at my postings, to the best of my ability, I try and back up what I am saying with as much indisputable fact as possible.  Of course, this is not possible in every case.  

[ This Message was edited by: exsafecounselor on 2004-02-16 07:59 ]

[ This Message was edited by: exsafecounselor on 2004-02-16 08:01 ]

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"At that age they're SUPPOSED to be distant and moody and rebellious."

I am amazed at how you are minizing the behavior of the kids in SAFE.  It is not like these kids missed Sunday school and an over-zealous parent put them in SAFE.  Based on my experience at SAFE, about 2/3 of the kids had already been to another form of residential treatment before SAFE.  The ones that had not, had already been seen by a private psychologist or psychiatrist.  Kids acting like kids never has, nor never will justify admission into SAFE.  I am sorry to disappoint you.

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Cayohueso,

I am glad you are back.  Although you and I do not always see eye-to-eye, you make some good points without being verbally abusive.

When it comes to insurance and length of treatment, I totally agree with you.  After I left SAFE, I worked in a psychiatric hospital.  When a new patient was admitted, the first person who spoke was a representative from the business office who informed us how long a person could stay.  We then created a treatment plan that coincided with their benefits.  I only lasted about 6 months at this place.  It was this experience that made me jaded toward the entire mental health industry.  I am totally not naive to how the business side works.  

However, when I talked about SAFE kids receiving a diagnosis I think it is not my naive nature, but rather your paranoia that is coming out.  I posted this earlier and I will again.  Does that mean that everyone who is dependent upon consumers buying a product or service is corrupt?  I personally know the character of the staff pshychologist that is there NOW.  Every single kid meets the criteria as outlined in the DSM IV.  Your issue may not be with a misdiagnosis, but rather what the DSM IV says.  One other thing to think about.  Insurance companies are paying out a ton of money every year for kids to receive treatment.  Do you really think that they would do so, if such rampant corruption were really happening?  Or if kids just acting like kids, as you have mentioned many times, were all that was required to receive treatment.  I dont think insurance companies would be paying if this were the case.

Also, parents are by no means pawning their kid off for someone else to fix.  Parent participation is not only necessary, it is required.  Parents make a huge committment when they put their kid is SAFE.  It is places like the pscyhiatric hospital that allow parents to drop off their kid and pick them up 30 days later.  SAFE is nothing like that.  The level of parental responsibility at SAFE is enormously high.  Between host homes, parent meetings twice per week, and parent weekends, parents have barely enough time to work.  I am a little confused about why you would say that parents are avoiding responsility by putting their kid in SAFE.

Regarding your personal issues with your kids, I am glad that what you chose to do has worked out for you.  

[ This Message was edited by: exsafecounselor on 2004-02-13 10:07 ]

[ This Message was edited by: exsafecounselor on 2004-02-13 10:09 ]

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This is where being a client and having no knowledge of what really goes on behind the scenes really hurts you.  Executive staff are 100% totally responsible for what goes on in raps.  Just because they are not on the rap stool, does not mean they have limited group interaction.  To a certain degree, the executive staff are running the group, using the group staff as their mouthpiece.  Again, this is how it worked at SAFE when I was there.

Also, the argument that just becuase the psychologist is gettin paid automatically means that they will do what SAFE wants them to do is ridiculous.  Does that mean that everyone who is dependent upon consumers buying a product or service is corrupt?  Do you see how ridiculous that is?  Our psychologist was there 10 hours per week.   She actually was not a SAFE employee, but an independent contractor.   The other 40 hours of her work week she ran a private practice.  If she lied about clients simply to get them into treatment, she could easily lose her license and goto jail.  Does it make sense to lose a 40 hour a week career, just so you can keep your 10 hour a week emplyer happy?  

Also, you have thrown around alot of figures.  It seems that you have hard facts about SAFE.  If you do, contact children and family services with your facts, and I am sure they will close them down.  Did you sense my sarcasm?  

If you or your friend were in SAFE past the evaluation period, then you were diagnosed with a substance abuse problem-PERIOD!  Which means you had a problem.  Its really that simple.

It sounds like you need some help with your first step.

[ This Message was edited by: exsafecounselor on 2004-02-12 08:08 ]

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / I am an exsafe counselor
« on: February 11, 2004, 03:57:00 PM »
:wave:

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You bring up a good point that I talked about in the other topic.  At SAFE, EVERY child is seen and evaluated by a psychologist.  This has to be done in order for SAFE to be paid by an insurance company, for SAFE to be in compliance with the governing authorities, and most importantly for the child to receive the best treatment.  Every child who receives treatment at SAFE must have a substance abuse diagnosis.  If a child has an additional areas of concern, that can not be handled by the psychologist, then they are referred to someone else.  For example, SAFE had a relationhsips with psychiatrists for those kids that needed psychotropic medication.

Regarding the "low level therapy" that the counselors gave, I think you are misinformed.  While I was working there, 3 out of the 4 executive staff/counselors, were Certified Addictions Professionals.  I go into some detail about that credential here:

I cut and pasted this from the Certification Board of Addicition Professionals website.

CAP

Certified Addiction Professional

This classification is viewed as the title for the addiction treatment professional primarily involved in providing direct treatment services in addictions. The requirements for this classification are as follows:

Degree: Bachelor?s Degree (minimum)
Experience: 6,000 hours of Direct Service
(within past 10 years)

Supervision: 300 hours of Direct Supervision
(A minimum of 10 hours must be documented in each skill area)

Education: 300 hours of Education:
145 hours of Addiction education
125 hours in Counseling education
30 hours must be in Ethics
4 hours must be in HIV/AIDS*
2 hours must be in Domestic Violence*
* Part of the total Education requirement, and counts for either Addiction or Counseling.
Written exam(s): Florida Specific Exam, and International Exam
Oral exam: Yes **

** Oral exam exemption: For applicants applying for the CAP certification with a Master?s Degree in a clinical counseling or counseling-related field (i.e., social work, mental health counseling, marriage and family, psychology), the oral exam may be waived if the following requirements are met:

Degree was received from a fully accredited institution, recognized by the U.S. Department of Education or Commission on Recognition of Postsecondary Accreditation, AND EITHER:
Have at least one university-sponsored supervised clinical practicum, internship, or field experience in a counseling setting where you provided clinical services directly to clients, OR
Have registered Intern Status through the Agency for Health Care Administration.
A written request to waive the oral exam must accompany your application.

Not quite what you thought, is it. It seems that we can learn from each other. Does this allow me to work with children? 6000 hours of direct service, 300 hours of direct supervision, 300 hours of education, a written and an oral exam. All of this prior to becoming certified. I am qualified or at least I was, I dropped my certification a couple of years after I left the indusry.

Check it our for yourself http://www.netinstitute.net/CertProcess2.htm#CAP

[ This Message was edited by: exsafecounselor on 2004-02-11 13:14 ]

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In the Topic named "  I am an exsafe counselor ", I talked about all kinds of things regarding SAFE.  If there is something specific you want to know, which is not in there, please let me know.

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I just want to make sure that I understand what you are saying.  It is Straight's and SAFE's fault that your friend is in prison?  Is this what you are saying?

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The answer to your questions/accusations are in the thread under this one.

[ This Message was edited by: exsafecounselor on 2004-02-10 14:52 ]

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What you are saying are things I have heard before.  None of what you described went on when I was at SAFE.  You might want to go over some of the prior posts in the thread below this one.  Alot of topics were coverd.

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