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I dont think anyone here thinks they can understand what goes on in anyone elses mind. The best thing we can do is ask questions, keep an open mind and pass along our experiences. Some of us have partaken in the programs, others know people who have and still others have merely only heard a few words about it. But all input negative or positive is useful in some perspectives. I think everyone should be able to respond and post their experiences.

Like someone else said, no one really knows what goes on in the therapy sessions except the people who are in the room at the time.  We were told "What is said in the room stays in the room" and I think that is fair for everyone.

On 2005-09-23 14:59:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I just don't buy it when parents say they got to know the school well. You could've visited every weekend and been told countless volumes of stories by your daughter. You could've read all the books, seen all the videos, read all the online forums, networked with all the parents, chatted endlessly with the faculty...and yes, then you would know more about the school than the average person. But to think that you could even have the slightest glimpse into the mind of a student who attended one of those schools, well you're just kidding yourself. To walk on those campuses day in and day out, to sit in those raps and those workshops, to see and experience the things that we saw and experienced, to go to sleep every night in that place...no one could ever comprehend what that was like. No friend or family member of mine has ever been able to grasp in the slightest bit just what it was like to be a student there. Not even staff could tell you what it was like to live in our minds. No one will ever understand it except the kid's who were forced to endure it.
I dont think anyone here thinks they can understand what goes on in anyone elses mind.  The best thing we can do is ask questions, keep an open mind and pass along our experiences.  Some of us have partaken in the programs, others know people who have and still others have merely only heard a few words about it.  But all input negative or positive is useful in some perspectives.  I think everyone should be able to respond and post their experiences.

Yea your right -- my first post appeared to indicate I was only a visitor, so I can see how it could be taken that I was someone with no knowledge of ASR.  Hope my follow-up posts clear that up.

I agree, if you do a search for posts on "asr" or "swift river" you dont see alot of negative reports, not like some of the other places which sound pretty bad.

Yes I sat in on a few groups with him and I didnt see what you saw, though I am not saying you didnt.  Maybe it was pointed out to him that he was being abusive and degrading and changed his approach, maybe it was at a previous school.  I spoke to many kids and they all seemed to like him and most of the counselors. If I ever saw someone in authority do what you describe and I was a student at that school I wouldnt say nice things about him and if I was afraid I wouldnt say anything.  People make mistakes, they learn from them sometimes and they grow into better people.

Its a horrorable thing that one person has died at this school, but the missing piece is how many have been saved!!!  If the school did not exist how many would be dead -- none?  5  10 ?? Try to determine the cause of that childs death and try to change it.  Education, training, policy change overseeing, staffing, new model etc.  Shutting down the entire Auto industry isnt a solution to saving people from dieing in auto accidents, They make Ambulances too.