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Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on December 31, 2006, 02:27:10 PM
According to suescheff.com (PURE)

Sue Scheff was contacted by Zadig Production in France in 2002 to assist with a documentary that outlined the alleged abuse of teens today in facilities as well as her publicized trial that she won against WWASPS in 2004. The film aired in Australia in 2006, however is not yet scheduled for release in the United States.

In another thread on Fornits, it appears there is considerable speculation about why this documentary is not yet scheduled for release in the U.S  (e.g.)  Is it because lawsuits have been filed?  If so, is there a way to identify these lawsuits so they can be monitored by the public?  In my opinion, it seems like a waste of time to engage in speculatation about an issue that could very well be answered by those with access to researching court filings or were involved in some way with the documentary.

Has anyone ever tried contacting the production company (Zadig) directly and asking them whether the documentary is going to be released in the U.S. and if so, when?  Or if they are aware of any legal issues?
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on December 31, 2006, 07:20:28 PM
Good question.  Does anyone know WHO is holding it up?  If there is a court case can anyone get the information?  It would be important to track this b/c something smells very fishy with this revelation Scheff on her web.
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on December 31, 2006, 07:39:59 PM
Did Sue Scheff really "win the lawsuit against WWASP in 2004" or was she ACTUALLY just found NOT GUILTY?

Big difference between WINNING and being found NOT GUILTY.
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on December 31, 2006, 08:46:16 PM
The news stories say the jury found against WWASP but that Sue Scheff lost her claims against WWASP.  

I guess they both lost when you think about it.  Sue's daughter brought a suit against wWASP after WWASP sued Sue and Jeff and Barbie.  Sue's daughter lost and then the jury "found against WWASP" but no one won or lost money.
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on December 31, 2006, 09:12:09 PM
Sounds like the only PEOPLE who "won anything" were a bunch of lawyers!!!!!

What did Sue's daughter sue WWASP about?  The abuse she supposedly suffered at the facility HER MOTHER sent her to?

Wonder if anyone has ever asked this daughter how she feels about HER MOTHER referring kids to WWASP faciilties for money?
Gotta feel sorry for this girl.
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2007, 10:36:13 PM
So what's the problem with the documentary being released in the U.S if it was released in places like Australia and France?  This makes no sense at all.
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2007, 10:43:01 PM
Doesn't a network have to buy this documentary in order to show it on TV over here?
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 02, 2007, 12:56:37 AM
IMO, if the documentary could be shown in the US it would be, at least that's the logical conclusion given the documentary was made to be shown in the widest market available, I would think.

Perhaps the best thing to do is find out HOW it was shown in the other countries?  How were the rights to distribute the documentary in the European markets obtained and by whom?

To be shown in the U.S. (assuming there are no legal restraints) one would have to buy the distribution rights.  Isn't that how it works?  Maybe that's the problem.  No one has bought the rights or the "rights to distribution" are some how in dispute, or otherwise unobtainable at the moment?

Who the hell knows?  As was pointed out earlier, this documentary has been promoted on various websites operated by persons who appear to have some connection with the documentary.  I suggest interested parties contact these people, or the producers.

Also, anyone with access to legal filings may be able to find out if there are any lawsuits filed.  

Either way, it sounds like the documentary definitly had an impact on people who were fortunate enough to watch it.  Apparently there are two versions, one longer than the other.  Anyone know what was deleted from the shorter version?
Title: Pure connection with French Documentary
Post by: Anonymous on January 02, 2007, 10:21:24 AM
You can search the court records.  Isn't it strange that one of the companies is in France distributing and one is shown in the area where Sue Scheff lives?

Makes a person wonder the connection with PURE? Then there is Sue promoting one of the versions the shorter version. Dont know but kind of strange.

Anyone know? Did anyone else notice it?
Title: Re: Pure not making any sense
Post by: Anonymous on January 02, 2007, 01:14:32 PM
Yup something is not adding up here.

There is something strange about Sue Scheff and the statement she made below on her web site.

the documentary in Aust. was not about Scheff yet she says it was about her trial. Ture the trial was in it but it was about the kids.

There is somewhere a longer documentary that aired in France but no one seems to know much about it except WWASP was trying to stop it. but how do we know it was WWASP?  Who started saying thsi?  Has anyone seen the documentary from France?

It seems strange that the distributor is in Pembrook Pines in Florida near where Sue Scheff is.  Something isn't adding up here. Ummm.....

"Sue Scheff was contacted by Zadig Production in France in 2002 to assist with a documentary that outlined the alleged abuse of teens today in facilities as well as her publicized trial that she won against WWASPS in 2004. The film aired in Australia in 2006, however is not yet scheduled for release in the United States."


Quote from: ""Guest""
You can search the court records.  Isn't it strange that one of the companies is in France distributing and one is shown in the area where Sue Scheff lives?

Makes a person wonder the connection with PURE? Then there is Sue promoting one of the versions the shorter version. Dont know but kind of strange.

Anyone know? Did anyone else notice it?
Title: Here it is!!
Post by: Anonymous on January 02, 2007, 01:21:33 PM
Here it is right here are the distributors who live close to Sue Scheff.  Pembroke pines is close to Weston. Sheff lives in Weston Florida. There is some kind of connection here and with this film not getting out in America. How could this be a coincidence?

DISTRIBUTORS
Javier Salgado
Xystus, L.C.C.
11011 Sheridan Street, Suite 314
Pembroke Pines, Florida 33026
Title: Re: Here it is!!
Post by: Anonymous on January 02, 2007, 01:22:34 PM
BuzzKill you are on to something!  Maybe calling the distributor in Pembroke?

Quote from: ""Guest""
Here it is right here are the distributors who live close to Sue Scheff.  Pembroke pines is close to Weston. Sheff lives in Weston Florida. There is some kind of connection here and with this film not getting out in America. How could this be a coincidence?

DISTRIBUTORS
Javier Salgado
Xystus, L.C.C.
11011 Sheridan Street, Suite 314
Pembroke Pines, Florida 33026
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 02, 2007, 01:31:00 PM
http://caica.org/Documentary%20comments.htm (http://caica.org/Documentary%20comments.htm)

Seems this was the beginning of "CAICA en francaise"

 :roll:
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 02, 2007, 02:24:43 PM
Somebody knows something, that seems clear enough.

Hope someone can get to the bottom of this, or at least figure out what the problem is with distribution in the U.S.  because it doesn't seem fair the documentary which is about an AMERICAN issue is only available to be watched by people who are not americans.

We need some answers!
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 02, 2007, 02:33:32 PM
The version in France was different from the one in Australia. Sue promotes the one in Australia and Caica promotes the one in France.  

Very strange if you ask me. There is something hanky-panky going on with those two.

And good question about this being about America yet it can't be released here. This sounds like something Sue Scheff is behind and not WWASP.


Quote from: ""Guest""
Somebody knows something, that seems clear enough.

Hope someone can get to the bottom of this, or at least figure out what the problem is with distribution in the U.S.  because it doesn't seem fair the documentary which is about an AMERICAN issue is only available to be watched by people who are not americans.

We need some answers!
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 02, 2007, 11:05:35 PM
From another FORNITS thread:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=235662#235662 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=235662#235662)

---------------------------

The rumors about this Documentary's release keep flying.
I hard the same as everyone else, that it was WWASP/ Litchfield that had an injunction holding up the release in the USA. What I heard came through a grape vine - its not like the French told me or anything. Still, it is true Something has kept it from being released.

Another rumor I have heard - also through a grape vine - is that is is Mz Scheff her own self that is keeping it from being released.

You know there are two versions? The short version some have seen when Google had the link up. There is a long version - about half an hour longer. Much speculation has taken place about what is on the long version. I have heard that Sue is not pleased with this version and has threatened to file suit if it gets released. The producers just don't want the hassle, and so scrapped the release plans.

I have also heard the problem is the niece who was filmed incognito. That she would not sign a release.

I have no idea if any or all of this is true. But, so far, that the extent of the rumors I have heard.

--------------------------------

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:31 pm     Post subject:    


I "heard" that Sue Scheff threatened to sue if the 90 minute version of the TB Documentary was released, because this version tells about Ms. Scheff referring kids to these WWASP programs for money.

BUT, you know about "hearing things".....it could just be gossip.
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 03, 2007, 01:28:40 AM
Like was suggested earlier, shouldn't be too difficult to get to the bottom of this by contacting the producers, directly.  They are the ones who made the documentary and would clearly know what, if any, issues are preventing it from being aired in the U.S.
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 03, 2007, 01:34:51 AM
The Lost Children of Tranquility Bay

http://paulareeves.com/Film/1-Film.htm (http://paulareeves.com/Film/1-Film.htm)


Okay, now I am really confused after reading this description.  Is this someone that might be able to shed some light on the questions being raised in this thread (assuming this is even the same documentary)?  Thanks!
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 03, 2007, 03:38:04 PM
It's possible this documentary was never intended to be shown in the United States.  Guess we'll never know since no one who may be "in the know" is willing to answer the questions posed to them on this board and elsewhere.

Speculation, no matter how intriquing, is a complete waste of time and frankly, only adds to the "hype".
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 03, 2007, 06:13:56 PM
Well, well.  This explains a lot now that I see this review. Sue is not mentioned in the review. Sue is also not mentioned in the reviews of the Aussie documentary but the one below is the longer one shown in France.

Sue wouldn't want one our in the U.S. unless she was in it and the "rumors" about Mz. Scheff being behind the documentary being stopped in the U.S. is beginning to make a lot of sense.

Quote from: ""Guest""
The Lost Children of Tranquility Bay

http://paulareeves.com/Film/1-Film.htm (http://paulareeves.com/Film/1-Film.htm)


Okay, now I am really confused after reading this description.  Is this someone that might be able to shed some light on the questions being raised in this thread (assuming this is even the same documentary)?  Thanks!
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 03, 2007, 06:15:34 PM
Didn't someone say Mz. Scheff hates Paula Reeves.  Paula Reeves is in the longer documentary so.........................................Yup.


Quote from: ""Guest""
Well, well.  This explains a lot now that I see this review. Sue is not mentioned in the review. Sue is also not mentioned in the reviews of the Aussie documentary but the one below is the longer one shown in France.

Sue wouldn't want one our in the U.S. unless she was in it and the "rumors" about Mz. Scheff being behind the documentary being stopped in the U.S. is beginning to make a lot of sense.

Quote from: ""Guest""
The Lost Children of Tranquility Bay

http://paulareeves.com/Film/1-Film.htm (http://paulareeves.com/Film/1-Film.htm)


Okay, now I am really confused after reading this description.  Is this someone that might be able to shed some light on the questions being raised in this thread (assuming this is even the same documentary)?  Thanks!
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 03, 2007, 10:44:29 PM
It is becoming clearer about the documentary......Her son was at Tranquility Bay but Paula Reeves is not in the Aussie one.

"Only when her son returned from Tranquility Bay did Paula Reeves, a lawyer from Florida, hear what really took place behind its closed doors: brainwashing and abuse are not unusual. Reeves takes legal action."

"The Lost Children of Tranquility Bay"

Tranquility Bay / Mathieu Verboud / Jean Robert Viallet

Direction: Mathieu Verboud / Jean Robert Viallet
Sceenplay: Mathieu Verboud, Jean Robert Viallet
Cinematography: Jean Robert Viallet
Editing: Christophe Bouquet
Sound: Mathieu Verboud
Music: Rémy Berger
Cast: Narration: Denis Lavant
Producer: Bruno Nahon
Production: Zadig Productions, France

                 T.+33 1 5830 8010 F. +33 1 5830 6869
                 DigiBeta PAL, Colour, 90'
                 France 2005
                 http://www.filmfestival.gr/docfestival/ ... ons&id=313 (http://www.filmfestival.gr/docfestival/2006/index.php?page=filmdetails&ln=en&box=psections&id=313)

 
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 03, 2007, 11:17:05 PM
Regarding this WWASP Documentary:

It is reported that Sue Scheff and Paula Reeves both live in Florida, right?
This seems to add to the confusion about why this film's distribution is being delayed or blocked.  Perhaps it ain't ONLY WWASP fighting its distribution?

Previously on Fornits it was reported that Sue Scheff referred the son of Paula Reeves to Sorenson Ranch after he left Tranquility Bay.  Wonder if Paula Reeves knew Scheff was being paid for referrals--if, in fact ,Scheff was paid for this placement; and if Paula Reeves was pleased with the placement of her son at Sorenson Ranch?

On the CAFFETY site, Paula Reeves once posted that she and Scheff sort of "agreed to disagree" about Scheff's policy of being paid for referring children to programs---whatever that may mean.

This does seem to be a confusing.
Title: Documentary
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2007, 07:59:31 PM
Here in England my family saw the longer film of an hour and a half called The Lost Children of Tranquility Bay. I also saw the shortie george version in Australia called Tranquility Bay.

I don't get it. The longer version is better but the short version seems to be taken from the long one we saw in Europe. I'm sure it was.

The one we saw in Europe was brillant and made us cry. Why hasn't it been released on the American tellies yet?  

What does Sue Scheff has to do with any of this? Paula Reeves and more and other kiddies are in the long one but not the Australian one we saw.  Europe is not showing the short one as far as we know and I don't think anyone here even knows of the short one except for these sites.

Anyone know what this is all about?
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2007, 09:18:18 PM
IT appears that the SHORT VERSION has perhaps been cut/edited for a simple reason:  Maybe to promote Sue Scheff/ PURE????

If this viewer from England "didn't even seem to notice that Sue Scheff was in the film" it doesn't seem that difficult to figure this out, does it?

WHO exactly is trying to stop the distribution of this full version of the film?  That's the question that needs to be answered, and maybe it's NOT WWASP.
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2007, 10:52:03 PM
Could someone summarize this issue about the documentary?  Were two versions made by the producers?  If so, why?  There must be a reason why the producers would make two versions of the same documentary.  What's in the longer version that is not in the shorter version?  Some of us have not seen either version and don't know why it seems to matter so much which version is shown in the U.S. if they are both getting good reviews and tell essentially the same story (about Tran. Bay).
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2007, 11:57:04 PM
As reported, there was only one FILM made by the French company.
It appears that the "shorter" version was edited from the 90 minute version which has been shown in Europe/England and is titled:
 "The Lost Children of Tranquility Bay."

This "shorter" version, which has been viewed on the internet by some in the United States, goes by the title "Tranquility Bay Documentary."

The question still remains:
Who is fighting against the distribution of the the full-length film, "The Lost Childreren of Tranquility Bay" in the United States?

Some people say that Sue Scheff does not want this full-length film to be distributed in the United States, because it does not focus on HER and PURE, as does the "shorter, edited version."
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2007, 12:00:15 AM
WHO IS GOING TO MAKE MONEY ON THIS FILM???????

That's the real question.

In this industry, it's always about THE MONEY!
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2007, 09:39:20 AM
I saw the Google short film and I don't agree that it FOCUSES on Sue Scheff although with her self-centeredness I'm sure SHE thinks it is all about her-the fucking super referral agent broad. She is in it but Sue Scheff was REFERRING KIDS to Tranquility Bay with her buddy RANDAL HINTON.  If you look at the reviews it appears that Paula Reeves is in the longer one because it says so. For sure she was not in the shorter one but I think she spoke at the beginning. This longer one has Paula and some others unknown to us in it so that is what this is about IMO. That tells me it is either WWASP or Sue Scheff trying to stop it.


Quote from: ""Guest""
As reported, there was only one FILM made by the French company.
It appears that the "shorter" version was edited from the 90 minute version which has been shown in Europe/England and is titled:
 "The Lost Children of Tranquility Bay."

This "shorter" version, which has been viewed on the internet by some in the United States, goes by the title "Tranquility Bay Documentary."

The question still remains:
Who is fighting against the distribution of the the full-length film, "The Lost Childreren of Tranquility Bay" in the United States?

Some people say that Sue Scheff does not want this full-length film to be distributed in the United States, because it does not focus on HER and PURE, as does the "shorter, edited version."
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2007, 11:36:30 AM
Sort of strange how WWASP and Sue Scheff's names get paired up a lot, isn't it?
It seems like it has been Scheff and WWASP from the get-go, doesn't it---until Scheff decided to compete against WWASP in this nasty referral business?  That's how it seems, anyway.
Title: About Tranquility Bay
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2007, 11:49:19 AM
Hi to all

I am Mathieu Verboud, co-director of the documentary film
" Tranquility Bay".

Thanks to those who show an interest in our film. We too want to see the film aired in the U.S and anywhere else.

One of the reasons the film has not yet been released in the U.S is... the 'obstrusive' attitude of a very small number of individuals involved and/or featured in the film. It is true that families or individuals related to the fight against WWASP are often difficult to live with... The word " trial" or "legal charges" is something you hear time and time again. These people don't understand that this film is for them but it's not their film ! And quite frankly, there is not much our production company can do to help clear things out.

Also, I want to highlight the fact that we have no indication that TV editing commissionners in the U.S would show an interest in the film. So that you know, the film sold quite well in the rest of the world but early signals suggest Americans could feel uncomfortable adressing the issue of tough love programs through a foreign eye... or even adressing the issue at all.

Look at the festivals. No North American film festival ever selected the film. Not even Sundance (based in Utah !). Yet, the film was selected at IDFA Amsterdam (one of the most prominent doc film festivals in the world), and various others places and it was even awarded in an international film festival in France.

So the "story" here is very much petty rivalries among activists.. but it's also broader and it's disturbing.  The interest in our film comes mostly from 'consumers', not from TV programs suppliers.

Now, I hope you understand why time drags.. and will probably for long, if nothing is done.
 
Anyone seeking more information should contact Zadig Productions, in Paris.

And again, thanks for those who want to help the film get aired in the U.S.

Mathieu Verboud
Title: Re: About Tranquility Bay
Post by: BuzzKill on January 06, 2007, 12:38:40 PM
Quote from: ""Mathieu Verboud""
Hi to all

I am Mathieu Verboud, co-director of the documentary film
" Tranquility Bay".

Thanks to those who show an interest in our film. We too want to see the film aired in the U.S and anywhere else.

One of the reasons the film has not yet been released in the U.S is... the 'obstrusive' attitude of a very small number of individuals involved and/or featured in the film. It is true that families or individuals related to the fight against WWASP are often difficult to live with... The word " trial" or "legal charges" is something you hear time and time again. These people don't understand that this film is for them but it's not their film ! And quite frankly, there is not much our production company can do to help clear things out.

Also, I want to highlight the fact that we have no indication that TV editing commissionners in the U.S would show an interest in the film. So that you know, the film sold quite well in the rest of the world but early signals suggest Americans could feel uncomfortable adressing the issue of tough love programs through a foreign eye... or even adressing the issue at all.

Look at the festivals. No North American film festival ever selected the film. Not even Sundance (based in Utah !). Yet, the film was selected at IDFA Amsterdam (one of the most prominent doc film festivals in the world), and various others places and it was even awarded in an international film festival in France.

So the "story" here is very much petty rivalries among activists.. but it's also broader and it's disturbing.  The interest in our film comes mostly from 'consumers', not from TV programs suppliers.

Now, I hope you understand why time drags.. and will probably for long, if nothing is done.
 
Anyone seeking more information should contact Zadig Productions, in Paris.

And again, thanks for those who want to help the film get aired in the U.S.

Mathieu Verboud



Wow - Thanks so much Mathieu for this reply!

you write: The word " trial" or "legal charges" is something you hear time and time again. These people don't understand that this film is for them but it's not their film !

This makes me So angry! Why can't people put a cap on their massive egos, just once, for the benefit of the greater good!!

If you think it would help - we could write the PBS stations - maybe Frontline - and request they air this documentary. I don't personally care (not one bit) if the film is through "French Eyes" - it is about a very serious American issue - which Americans are largely ignorant of - and Americans need to see this film! I feel confident there would be massive interest, and a huge outcry among the American audience if this could be aired.

You may not have been invited to Sundance b/c of "the Mormon thing". The LDS may run Utah as a church state - but they do not yet have the rest of America under their authority!

Thanks again for everything. If there is anything that can be done to help get this film of your aired please let us know!
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2007, 12:51:11 PM
Tell the "activists" whoever they are - to butt out.  Nobody cares about them because it isn't about them.  They need to get over themeselves, IMO.

:flame:
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: try another castle on January 06, 2007, 01:04:59 PM
Quote
If you think it would help - we could write the PBS stations - maybe Frontline



Shit! Wait! I know somebody who works for Frontline! My neighbor. I honestly don't know how much pull he has over there, but he IS an activist. I can talk to him about it.
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2007, 01:05:24 PM
Wonder if it could be "verified" where Mr. Mathieu Verbound posted from?
FRANCE?
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: try another castle on January 06, 2007, 01:07:01 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Wonder if it could be "verified" where Mr. Mathieu Verbound posted from?
FRANCE?


Just because somebody is French doesn't necessarily mean they are currently posting from FRANCE. There ARE airplanes, you know.
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: BuzzKill on January 06, 2007, 01:09:43 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Wonder if it could be "verified" where Mr. Mathieu Verbound posted from?
FRANCE?


Its Mathieu - I am certain. Don't worry about that.

But Mathieu - that is another good reason to register; it would keep others from being able to pretend to be you.
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2007, 03:33:01 PM
To: Mathieu Verboud

Thank you for posting on Fornits and clarifying the issues raised on this forum relative to the documentary.

If I may, I'd like to propose that you consider creating a website strictly for the promotion of the documentary, The Lost Children of Tranquility Bay.

The website could include clips, a summary of the documentary and perhaps a comments section, links to articles, advocacy websites who have no interest (financial or otherwise) in the documentary, etc.

Other documentaries have done this and been quite successful.  If the documentary could at least be released in a DVD format, this would be an excellent way to market it for sale to the public (or inform them on how and where they can purchase a copy).

Thanks again for your post and kudos for producing such an excellent work on this very troubling issue.

I am sorry if the personal agenda of others may be creating problems but as you say, there are other obstacles.  

Perhaps putting some distance between the promotion of this documentary and these persons by creating a separate website for the documentary would help, even if the documentary can not be viewed in DVD format at this time, I believe having it's own website would lead to more widespread exposure.
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2007, 04:04:18 PM
http://www.waydownyonder.net/Default.aspx?tabid=36 (http://www.waydownyonder.net/Default.aspx?tabid=36)

http://www.selfmedicated.com (http://www.selfmedicated.com)
* not a documentary, this is a fictionalized version of a true story
Title: Re: About Tranquility Bay
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2007, 09:29:09 AM
Mathieu:  Can you at least tell us who is stopping the film? We hear it is WWASP and we hear it is Sue Scheff. Can you at least tell us who is stopping it?


Quote from: ""Mathieu Verboud""
Hi to all

I am Mathieu Verboud, co-director of the documentary film
" Tranquility Bay".

Thanks to those who show an interest in our film. We too want to see the film aired in the U.S and anywhere else.

One of the reasons the film has not yet been released in the U.S is... the 'obstrusive' attitude of a very small number of individuals involved and/or featured in the film. It is true that families or individuals related to the fight against WWASP are often difficult to live with... The word " trial" or "legal charges" is something you hear time and time again. These people don't understand that this film is for them but it's not their film ! And quite frankly, there is not much our production company can do to help clear things out.

Also, I want to highlight the fact that we have no indication that TV editing commissionners in the U.S would show an interest in the film. So that you know, the film sold quite well in the rest of the world but early signals suggest Americans could feel uncomfortable adressing the issue of tough love programs through a foreign eye... or even adressing the issue at all.

Look at the festivals. No North American film festival ever selected the film. Not even Sundance (based in Utah !). Yet, the film was selected at IDFA Amsterdam (one of the most prominent doc film festivals in the world), and various others places and it was even awarded in an international film festival in France.

So the "story" here is very much petty rivalries among activists.. but it's also broader and it's disturbing.  The interest in our film comes mostly from 'consumers', not from TV programs suppliers.

Now, I hope you understand why time drags.. and will probably for long, if nothing is done.
 
Anyone seeking more information should contact Zadig Productions, in Paris.

And again, thanks for those who want to help the film get aired in the U.S.

Mathieu Verboud
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: BuzzKill on January 07, 2007, 10:33:02 AM
A guest asks:
Mathieu: Can you at least tell us who is stopping the film? We hear it is WWASP and we hear it is Sue Scheff. Can you at least tell us who is stopping it?


I'd suggest reading the following paragraph carefully. There is really not much left to guess at.

Mathieu wrote:

the 'obstrusive' attitude of a very small number of individuals involved and/or featured in the film. It is true that families or individuals related to the fight against WWASP are often difficult to live with... The word " trial" or "legal charges" is something you hear time and time again. These people don't understand that this film is for them but it's not their film !
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2007, 02:00:51 PM
IMO this film maker should state exactly WHO is trying to block the distribution of this film in the United States.
Why does  dance around, and not name WHO it is?
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: BuzzKill on January 07, 2007, 02:49:42 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
IMO this film maker should state exactly WHO is trying to block the distribution of this film in the United States.
Why does  dance around, and not name WHO it is?


Maybe because of this:  ///The word " trial" or "legal charges" is something you hear time and time again. ///

Our maybe it is his journalistic integrity.

I personally think he has been very kind to bother with explaining anything at all; and I can't understand why anyone's first instinct is to attack and or complain.

And for a anon "guest",  demanding names, seems a bit hypocritical.

Not that I wouldn't be happy to see the names of anyone and everyone who is holding up this documentary splattered all over the web - I most surely would.  Maybe someday. . .  But for now we should just be grateful for what light that has been shed on the matter.
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2007, 08:10:22 PM
Seems to me it's pretty clear once you put all the little pieces of the jigsaw puzzle together.  Scheff is a character in the film that Mathieu refers to. Put this together with the rest of the information we have.

Quote from: ""Guest""
Didn't someone say Mz. Scheff hates Paula Reeves.  Paula Reeves is in the longer documentary so.........................................Yup.


Quote from: ""Guest""
Well, well.  This explains a lot now that I see this review. Sue is not mentioned in the review. Sue is also not mentioned in the reviews of the Aussie documentary but the one below is the longer one shown in France.

Sue wouldn't want one our in the U.S. unless she was in it and the "rumors" about Mz. Scheff being behind the documentary being stopped in the U.S. is beginning to make a lot of sense.

Quote from: ""Guest""
The Lost Children of Tranquility Bay

http://paulareeves.com/Film/1-Film.htm (http://paulareeves.com/Film/1-Film.htm)


Okay, now I am really confused after reading this description.  Is this someone that might be able to shed some light on the questions being raised in this thread (assuming this is even the same documentary)?  Thanks!
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2007, 11:08:29 PM
Err ... not quite.  Since both Scheff and Reeves are in this documentary, what's the problem?
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Rude Intrusion on January 08, 2007, 10:33:32 AM
Doesn't take all that much guessing to figure this out with the information now available. Mathieu's post explains things clearly enough, given what is already well known to all. Ask yourselves who is famous for threatening: " trial" or "legal charges" . . . . time and time again? That was also in the film? That is also outrageously  self important, self centered and selfish? Difficult and controlling? It isn't Paula Reeves; Nor any of the kids; nor anyone else excepting one very well known personality.  Does anyone really need to name the hypocritical bitch?

Oh and BTW, it also isn't WWASPS, because Mathieu says the film was made "for them, but it is not their film". No one would ever say this film was made *for* WWASPS.
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2007, 08:25:23 PM
I happen to know both Paula Reeves and Sue Scheff and have for years. Paula tried to warn us about Sue years ago and we ignored her.  The Washington DC reporter who got sued by WWASP said it best about Paula when he said "my enemy of my enemy is my friend" and that reporter may have the strongest dislike of Scheff than any of us--if thats possible.

A lot of people got sued because of Sue Scheff and Paula thought it was smarter to stay together to try to defeat WWASP. I think she has just had enough of Scheff like the rest of us.
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: try another castle on January 08, 2007, 08:42:47 PM
I have a question:

Whoever these litigious individuals are who are causing problems... does anyone know if they signed a release? Because if so, they have nothing to stand on in a courtroom. I would assume this is the case, so I'm wondering about all of that drama.

Of course, the other, more daunting issue, is finding a distributor.

No luck with my neighbor, unfortunately. Frontline does their own investigations, they don't show the investigations of others.
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: BuzzKill on January 08, 2007, 09:22:01 PM
Quote from: ""try another castle""
I have a question:

Whoever these litigious individuals are who are causing problems... does anyone know if they signed a release? Because if so, they have nothing to stand on in a courtroom. I would assume this is the case, so I'm wondering about all of that drama.

Of course, the other, more daunting issue, is finding a distributor.

No luck with my neighbor, unfortunately. Frontline does their own investigations, they don't show the investigations of others.



Well in that case - see if you can get the neighbors help goosing the right person to do this story. I wrote Frontline a couple times - maybe if someone on the inside tells them about it?

As for getting it on the air in the states - I have wondered if some of the language might be the problem. It would be difficult to edit (or bleep) Steven with out really detracting from the emotion he feels and the message he is trying to convey. No way the net works would air it, at least not in prime time. 3 AM maybe.  But what about MTV? Or A&E? Court TV? How does one go about presenting the material for consideration? How does the public let it be known they want it seen?
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2007, 09:23:10 PM
It's not "they" it's Sue Scheff like Ginger said!

Signed release? This wouldn't matter to Mz. Scheff. This is Sue-sue we're talking about.

I hope the producer or director or whoever gets real and rolls over the beetch.

What is "red panties" gonna do?  Bring yet another lawsuit?  :rofl:

Scheff is become the comic strip of America like Donald Trump.


Quote from: ""try another castle""
I have a question:

Whoever these litigious individuals are who are causing problems... does anyone know if they signed a release? Because if so, they have nothing to stand on in a courtroom. I would assume this is the case, so I'm wondering about all of that drama.

Of course, the other, more daunting issue, is finding a distributor.

No luck with my neighbor, unfortunately. Frontline does their own investigations, they don't show the investigations of others.
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2007, 09:44:08 PM
Don't be comparing Sue-Sue to THE DONALD.
When  compariing Sue-Sue to THE DONALD,  some might/would say that THE DONALD has class...intergrity...honesty... is trustworthy... generous, is SO NICE....and that he cares about his fellow human beings in a heart-warming way.
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2007, 09:44:30 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
I happen to know both Paula Reeves and Sue Scheff and have for years. Paula tried to warn us about Sue years ago and we ignored her.  The Washington DC reporter who got sued by WWASP said it best about Paula when he said "my enemy of my enemy is my friend" and that reporter may have the strongest dislike of Scheff than any of us--if thats possible.

A lot of people got sued because of Sue Scheff and Paula thought it was smarter to stay together to try to defeat WWASP. I think she has just had enough of Scheff like the rest of us.



So in effect, ya'll made a deal with the devil for the sake of defeating WWASPS but in the process, ended up making PURE bigger and better?

Brilliant strategy.  :roll:
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2007, 09:48:56 PM
Yup, let's not forget who stood to benefit from the anti-wwasps postings, websites, articles, etc. All the ed cons and referrers promoting their "own brand" of programs, that's who.

Who's the fool?

 :rofl:
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2007, 09:52:33 PM
Worse yet:  WHO were the victims?
The kids sent to these abusive programs.

But wait.
They weren't WWASP, were they?
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: try another castle on January 08, 2007, 10:02:40 PM
Quote from: ""BuzzKill""
Quote from: ""try another castle""
I have a question:

Whoever these litigious individuals are who are causing problems... does anyone know if they signed a release? Because if so, they have nothing to stand on in a courtroom. I would assume this is the case, so I'm wondering about all of that drama.

Of course, the other, more daunting issue, is finding a distributor.

No luck with my neighbor, unfortunately. Frontline does their own investigations, they don't show the investigations of others.


Well in that case - see if you can get the neighbors help goosing the right person to do this story. I wrote Frontline a couple times - maybe if someone on the inside tells them about it?

As for getting it on the air in the states - I have wondered if some of the language might be the problem. It would be difficult to edit (or bleep) Steven with out really detracting from the emotion he feels and the message he is trying to convey. No way the net works would air it, at least not in prime time. 3 AM maybe.  But what about MTV? Or A&E? Court TV? How does one go about presenting the material for consideration? How does the public let it be known they want it seen?



I have another possible option for this. Better venue,  because it would be in a film context, so no censorship. Long shot, but I'll talk to her.
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: BuzzKill on January 08, 2007, 10:56:07 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""
I happen to know both Paula Reeves and Sue Scheff and have for years. Paula tried to warn us about Sue years ago and we ignored her.  The Washington DC reporter who got sued by WWASP said it best about Paula when he said "my enemy of my enemy is my friend" and that reporter may have the strongest dislike of Scheff than any of us--if thats possible.

A lot of people got sued because of Sue Scheff and Paula thought it was smarter to stay together to try to defeat WWASP. I think she has just had enough of Scheff like the rest of us.


So in effect, ya'll made a deal with the devil for the sake of defeating WWASPS but in the process, ended up making PURE bigger and better?

Brilliant strategy.  :roll:


I always saw this a bit differently. I personally never ignored Paula. I guess I just felt if her experience with PURE had been alarming, she would have been more out spoken about it. I never even heard she was upset with Sorensen's, except for what Sue told me herself. Sue told me Paula was angry; and for awhile Paula was not very active in the group. But she was soon back, just like nothing had ever been wrong. Paula never mentioned it to me, until the Whitmore mess came to light - and even then, it was to explain how she knew Sue was unqualified and unethical, but still  could and should be worked with.

She has changed her mind since then - but it is not like Paula was doing any outspoken protest, that the Trekkers in general, just ignored. Paula's willingness to over look it, (her upset with PUREs Sorensens placement)  served to help lull me into a certain level of trust, that Sue was at least Trying to provide a better and safer alternative for families. This having been said - it is true Paula always made it clear Sue was not qualified to do what she is doing -  and this we did all ignore for the sake of unity.  I know some dealt with this concern by never suggesting anyone use PURE as a resource. I personally always stressed, the Trekkers as a group, had nothing to do with PURE - and I still say so. Still, I think we all felt confident Sue was good hearted and meant well; and would never tolerate abuse in a program PURE used. This was eventually proven to be a fantasy - but until Whitmore blew - we had no way of knowing.


try another castle, writes:
///I have another possible option for this. Better venue, because it would be in a film context, so no censorship. Long shot, but I'll talk to her.///

Please do

PS: it is possible Paula said things to others privately, I am unaware of. In fact, it is likely. So, keep in mind I am only talking about what I experienced.
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2007, 12:09:57 AM
Buzzkill, when did you and the Trekkers actually realize that Sue Scheff continued to refer children to WWASP programs AFTER she started PURE?
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2007, 12:47:31 AM
I wanna know what the trekkers think of Isabelle Zehnder, the child advocate who recommends PURE and chose a fellow trekker named Jeff Berryman, as one CAICA's Advocate of the Month?

What's her story?
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: BuzzKill on January 09, 2007, 10:03:23 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Buzzkill, when did you and the Trekkers actually realize that Sue Scheff continued to refer children to WWASP programs AFTER she started PURE?


Speaking for myself, it was when the WWASP V PURE transcripts were available for reading. I know I talked to a couple other Trekkers who were also surprised by that - as well as by how much money PURE was raking in. We had always been told what PURE brought in was enough to cover operating expenses and no more. So, once we had those transcripts, we were talking about a lot more than just Ken Kay's valuable testimony. And too - keep in mind - all this was being learned just as the situation with Whitmore was heating up - and Sue declared war on ISAC, and anyone who supported ISAC - making it impossible for me and a few others to have anything more to do with her. It all it the fan at once. Reminds of the Confucian curse: May you live in interesting times. ;)

Other Trekkers might have known a lot more a lot longer. I couldn't say. If they knew they kept it quite. I have wondered how it was possible for Donna not to know - and so by extension the others who were part of the group at that time. But maybe they really never knew. Sue can be very convincing. You guys who don't know her, have no idea.
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: BuzzKill on January 09, 2007, 10:11:31 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
I wanna know what the trekkers think of Isabelle Zehnder, the child advocate who recommends PURE and chose a fellow trekker named Jeff Berryman, as one CAICA's Advocate of the Month?

What's her story?


Which Trekkers? Those who still are Trekkers, must think she's the cats meow. Most of the Ex-Trekkers think she is something else. What a piece of work, is often used to describe her. Dizzy & Izzahell are the terms of "endearment"  used when naming her. I suppose she and Sue probably refer to these Ex-Trekkers as lying, manipulators with an agenda  :roll: Also of corse many other vulgar and degrading terms.
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2007, 06:39:50 PM
Buzz said>>
"PS: it is possible Paula said things to others privately, I am unaware of. In fact, it is likely. So, keep in mind I am only talking about what I experienced."

Paula did try to wake me up and a few others about Sue but we were afraid more of WWASP and what they were doing to our kids and their threatening us and we were in shock.  I think Paula Reeves just gave up on us and became quiet for a while.  We could all have done more and listened about the warnings of Sue Scheff but we didn't and the past is the past. We didn't know some of the stuff we now know about Sue but the warnings were there and that's what Paula saw I think.  I know Paula Reeves was the only one the New York Times writer Tim Weiner ? would talk to so she did help a lot with the stories. This bothered Sue a lot but the past is just that.
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2007, 07:03:09 PM
I think Paula Reeves should speak for herself if she wants to clarify her association with Sue Scheff, the making of this documentary and/or any "issues" that may be blocking it's distribution.

 :roll:
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2007, 10:13:49 PM
IsaHell is a fat stupid idiot!  There ya have it.

Oh yea.  IMO.  


Quote from: ""BuzzKill""
Quote from: ""Guest""
I wanna know what the trekkers think of Isabelle Zehnder, the child advocate who recommends PURE and chose a fellow trekker named Jeff Berryman, as one CAICA's Advocate of the Month?

What's her story?

Which Trekkers? Those who still are Trekkers, must think she's the cats meow. Most of the Ex-Trekkers think she is something else. What a piece of work, is often used to describe her. Dizzy & Izzahell are the terms of "endearment"  used when naming her. I suppose she and Sue probably refer to these Ex-Trekkers as lying, manipulators with an agenda  :roll: Also of corse many other vulgar and degrading terms.
:rofl:  :rofl:
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: 001010 on January 13, 2007, 11:00:56 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
http://caica.org/Documentary%20comments.htm

Seems this was the beginning of "CAICA en francaise"

 :roll:
That is so sickening to me.
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 13, 2007, 03:36:11 PM
Maia Szalavitz's views on "Shock Treatment" being used on children was published on her blog on Jan 7th.....and SURPRISE:

Izzy posts the "almost identical posts" on CAICA the very same day.

DOESN'T IZZY have one originial thought in what appears to be her little pea brain?
It seems to be comon practice for Izzy to simply read-and-then-copy onto her website, and she appears to take credit for what others have written.

ISAC broke the news of the Jay Hinton arrest....and boom, IZZY follows up as usual on CA-CA--as if she discovered this news on her own!

It is sickening.
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: 001010 on January 13, 2007, 05:22:55 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
ISAC broke the news of the Jay Hinton arrest....and boom, IZZY follows up as usual on CA-CA--as if she discovered this news on her own!

It is sickening.


You mean Randall Hinton?
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 13, 2007, 06:19:14 PM
ooops I did mean "Randall".......
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 13, 2007, 09:55:28 PM
I know Paula Reeves the Florida lawyer is talking about sueing both Mz. Izzy and Mz. Scheff.  I guess the name of the lawsuit would be

Paula Reeves

versus

Numb Brain and No Brain At All.

Maybe Maia should join Paula!  

Quote from: ""Guest""
Maia Szalavitz's views on "Shock Treatment" being used on children was published on her blog on Jan 7th.....and SURPRISE:

Izzy posts the "almost identical posts" on CAICA the very same day.

DOESN'T IZZY have one originial thought in what appears to be her little pea brain?
It seems to be comon practice for Izzy to simply read-and-then-copy onto her website, and she appears to take credit for what others have written.

ISAC broke the news of the Jay Hinton arrest....and boom, IZZY follows up as usual on CA-CA--as if she discovered this news on her own!

It is sickening.
:rofl:
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 13, 2007, 09:58:42 PM
Sue for theft of their writing. Even Isabelle steals Paula's disclaimer about "this site is for information purposes; it is not for referrals to children's programs."

First, Fat Izzy is stupid and second, how stupid does Fat Izzy thine WE are? She admits to referring parents to her business bud Sue Scheff.

These 2 "ladies" don't advocate, but they sure are good at confusing folks.
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 13, 2007, 10:08:09 PM
"DOESN'T IZZY have one originial thought in what appears to be her little pea brain?
It seems to be comon practice for Izzy to simply read-and-then-copy onto her website, and she appears to take credit for what others have written."

No she doesn't have any original thoughts except for her dumb song and why would this 'one-celled form of life' (Izzy and Sue-Sue) be so brash that she thinks she can compete with these two educated women Paula and Maia?  It's like someone in the special olympics competing with Lance Armstrong. Izzy is not in their league and that shows from her constant stealing of other people's writing, theirs and others too.

Poor pathetic Izzy. I guess when ya don't 'got it' ya steal it.  
 ::both::
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 14, 2007, 09:49:14 PM
So far it looks like Isabelle Zehnder has got 3 blogs going at the same time.  Guess she still hasn't figured out that QUANITY does not equal QUALITY.  

http://www2.blogger.com/profile/05064388380870609233 (http://www2.blogger.com/profile/05064388380870609233)

 :rofl:
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 14, 2007, 10:11:34 PM
Why isn't this in the French documentary about Mz. At My Wits End?
The Pyramid Queen Sue At-My-Wits-End Scheff.

From the Utah trial transcripts beginning at page 219:

KEVIN RICHEY TESTIFIES.  Kevin is a WWASP/Teen Help referral guru.

Q.  How did you first become familiar with Ms. Scheff?

A.  She was a referring parent to the programs and work with an associate Randall Hinton.  And Randall left to go work at one of the (WWASP) programs, and at that point I started to try to help Sue Scheff.

Q.  Tried to help Sue Scheff do what?

A.  Well, she would have a lot of referring parents that were coming into program.  And I tried to do my best to help her to get paid on the referrals.  Basically would be the help that I was offering her.

Q. Do you recall an arrangement between Ms. Scheff and Diane Lucchetti?

A.  Yes.

Q.  What was that arrangement?

A.  I believe .. . . .the way it was set up what that Sue and Diane were working together and at some point I believe they were sharing referrals......

Q.  Did Ms. Scheff ask for your assistance in getting paid for those referrals?

A.  I believe she did, uh-huh.............

KEVIN RICHEY EXPLAINS THAT HE LEFT IN DECEMBER 2001 AND THAT SUE SCHEFF WAS A REFERRING PARENT FOR OVER A YEAR TO WWASP.  

NOW LISTEN TO THIS  DRUM ROLL......................

Q.  Prior to the time that you left Teen Help, do you recall Ms. Scheff explaining to you about her daughter's treatment at Carolina Springs?

A.  I don't remember that.

Q.  Prior to that time (before Kevin Richey left WWASP's Teen Help), do you recall Ms. Scheff complaining of any complaints of World Wide schools?

A.  I don't recall any.

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?  IT MEANS MIZZIE SUE SCHEFF THOUGHT WWASP WAS WONDERFUL AND SHE SAID SO.  GREAT PLACE THAT WWASP ACCORDING TO SUE SCHEFF UNTIL SHE COULD NO LONGER CON PAYMENTS FROM WWASP FOR KIDS SHE HAD OTHER REFERRING ON HER PYRAMID SCHEME.
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 14, 2007, 10:15:41 PM
Here is the rest of what Kevin Richey says about Sue Scheff's conning:

-----Original Message------
From: Kevin Richey
To: Ken Kay
Date: August 17, 2001
Subject: Sue Scheff

The last contact I had with Sue was 8 18 (sic 16) she emailed a lead to me. In our last conversation probably last week July she said she thought our programs were good but that our Seminars were terrible. She said she would continue to send referrals to me for Majestic Ranch as she didn't have any other resources for younger kids 7-12. She said she had placed 8 kids that week in Red Cliff or Red Rock not sure which. She asked me to manipulate the referral system and give 2 referrals to her so she wouldn't have to pay Diane Luchetto for 2 referrals that she somehow received from her. She said she had given Diane about 12 referrals. I told her that I couldn't change that information in our computer system and that I didn't feel right about doing it if I could.

Kevin Richey
Teen Help
Admission's Coordinator



Quote from: ""Guest""
Why isn't this in the French documentary about Mz. At My Wits End?
The Pyramid Queen Sue At-My-Wits-End Scheff.

From the Utah trial transcripts beginning at page 219:

KEVIN RICHEY TESTIFIES.  Kevin is a WWASP/Teen Help referral guru.

Q.  How did you first become familiar with Ms. Scheff?

A.  She was a referring parent to the programs and work with an associate Randall Hinton.  And Randall left to go work at one of the (WWASP) programs, and at that point I started to try to help Sue Scheff.

Q.  Tried to help Sue Scheff do what?

A.  Well, she would have a lot of referring parents that were coming into program.  And I tried to do my best to help her to get paid on the referrals.  Basically would be the help that I was offering her.

Q. Do you recall an arrangement between Ms. Scheff and Diane Lucchetti?

A.  Yes.

Q.  What was that arrangement?

A.  I believe .. . . .the way it was set up what that Sue and Diane were working together and at some point I believe they were sharing referrals......

Q.  Did Ms. Scheff ask for your assistance in getting paid for those referrals?

A.  I believe she did, uh-huh.............

KEVIN RICHEY EXPLAINS THAT HE LEFT IN DECEMBER 2001 AND THAT SUE SCHEFF WAS A REFERRING PARENT FOR OVER A YEAR TO WWASP.  

NOW LISTEN TO THIS  DRUM ROLL......................

Q.  Prior to the time that you left Teen Help, do you recall Ms. Scheff explaining to you about her daughter's treatment at Carolina Springs?

A.  I don't remember that.

Q.  Prior to that time (before Kevin Richey left WWASP's Teen Help), do you recall Ms. Scheff complaining of any complaints of World Wide schools?

A.  I don't recall any.

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?  IT MEANS MIZZIE SUE SCHEFF THOUGHT WWASP WAS WONDERFUL AND SHE SAID SO.  GREAT PLACE THAT WWASP ACCORDING TO SUE SCHEFF UNTIL SHE COULD NO LONGER CON PAYMENTS FROM WWASP FOR KIDS SHE HAD OTHER REFERRING ON HER PYRAMID SCHEME.
Title: Sue Scheff and WWASP + Teen Help
Post by: Anonymous on January 14, 2007, 10:17:09 PM
Sue Scheff according to her "friend" Kevin Richey:

"She asked me to manipulate the referral system and give 2 referrals to her so she wouldn't have to pay Diane Luchetto for 2 referrals that she somehow received from her. She said she had given Diane about 12 referrals. I told her that I couldn't change that information in our computer system and that I didn't feel right about doing it if I could."
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 14, 2007, 10:39:34 PM
How does one "share" referrals?
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2007, 07:45:33 PM
What's behind the Sue Scheff/Paula Reeves in-fight about the distribution of the TB documentary, anyway?
It doesn't appear that Paula Reeves has come out publicly against Sue Scheff, and her referral business.  Reeve's statement on CAFETY, "we agree to disagree" doesn't say much.
Has Reeves ever publicly critcized Sue Scheff for referring Reeves' son to Sorenson's Ranch after this boy was removed from Tranquility Bay?
Do the French film-makers need one of these two woman in order to distribute the film in the United States? If so, why?
Title: documentary
Post by: palmbchr on January 22, 2007, 02:48:50 AM
It does exist.  There are reasons for the delay in the release.  Don't worry, it will come out and the public will be in shock.
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on January 27, 2007, 12:38:33 PM
Meanwhile ... at Sundance FIlm Festival ... the distribution deals for independent and documentary films reflects some major dollars being spent ...

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_5100034 (http://www.sltrib.com/ci_5100034)

 :roll:
Title: TB DOCUMENTARY?
Post by: Anonymous on March 07, 2007, 09:36:00 PM
ZADIG is busy taking down the tbfight video from youtube for alleged copyright infringement - But I heard once they clear up all the alleged copyright violations in the U.S. they will be able to release or something like that - It's quite possible I mixed up what's going on, so don't take my word for it