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General Interest => Open Free for All => Topic started by: none-ya on May 17, 2013, 01:00:28 AM
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Hey che, Thought you didn't know much about E-HOW-KEE? Then why the fear of the Swanee river?
[facebook link redacted by Psy]
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Suwanee river, and no I don't really know that much about E-how-kee.
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Where was it that you were dragging kids around the swamp then?
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Hey che, Thought you didn't know much about E-HOW-KEE? Then why the fear of the Swanee river?
[facebook link redacted by Psy]
Linking to another poster's Facebook page is not OK. Read the rules. Consider this a first warning. The second will result in an immediate ban.
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Again another attempt to re-write history. Eckerd camps were/are abusive. We have in our graces an actual staff member. Who writes on another site that he thinks about kids in his charge getting even with him. Psy ,first you choose to associate with the devil himself (whooter). And then protect an ex wilderness program staffer fromHIS OWN WORDS!!
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Where was it that you were dragging kids around the swamp then?
Che has acknowledged everything he did publicly on the forum, apologized to students there personally, and done a lot here and elsewhere to hurt the industry, talk to parents, and help get kids out of programs. Hell. I spent a week with the guy in person and he said or did nothing to make me doubt him. If nothing a person does can ever be enough for forgiveness in your eyes then perhaps you should hold yourself to the same standard. Have you made mistakes? Done things you regret? Do you think people should never forgive you and never give you an opportunity to prove yourself again?
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Let him answer for him self. I don't see how this concerns you anyway. Seems like you just want to start shit with me no matter what I say. You're no better than the trolls.
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Hey che, I see you removed your story about spring from FB.
Guess what,It got enough views, so that everybody here got to read it anyway.
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Again another attempt to re-write history. Eckerd camps were/are abusive. We have in our graces an actual staff member. Who writes on another site that he thinks about kids in his charge getting even with him. Psy ,first you choose to associate with the devil himself (whooter). And then protect an ex wilderness program staffer fromHIS OWN WORDS!!
You know, at one point I was considering answering reasonable questions from you given there seems to be some sort of personal connection between you and E-How-Kee via your friend. But if you think posting my facebook link is going to encourage me to want to cooperate with you, guess again.
Which is sad because I probably could have answered some of your questions.
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I'm very close to moving this to the Offa anyway. It's redundant and the questions about Che's past have already been asked elsewhere, countless of times over and over. If you want answers, he's already given them and this thread is redundant. I don't see why he should have to repeat himself over and over to you, the grand forum inquisitor. It borders on harassment not becuase of what has been asked or accused, but because it's the 100th time. Resurrect one of those old threads if you really want, but the fact that all you seem to be capable of is to attack other posters doesn't leave me with much confidence that your agenda here is to do anything but cause chaos and divide the forum. If I had to guess who out of you two was partial to the industry, frankly, it wouldn't be Che. From as long as I can remember you being on the forum you've been in some vendetta with somebody and it has never stopped since then.
I realize Che has done things in the past he regrets, but when was the last time you actually did something that got a kid out of a program. Well. He has. Maybe you might consider trying to do some good for others rather than trying to tear people down who don't deserve it. You could have started with "hey, che, do you know anything about XXX program, or can you find XXX out". or "do you have any personal experience with XXX". Instead you started by throwing out thinly veiled accusations and posting personally identifiable information about him. I don't blame him if he doesn't give you the time of day.
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So what,man you considered answering my questions? Well you didn't.And when I found that on FB I knew you never would. You war daddy says it's all been asked and answered before. Well not asked by me and not anywhere else I can find here on fornits.
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So what,man you considered answering my questions? Well you didn't.And when I found that on FB I knew you never would. You war daddy says it's all been asked and answered before. Well not asked by me and not anywhere else I can find here on fornits.
Well if that's your attitude I guess we are done here. You've never really asked me questions in such a way that's really made me want to answer them. Your interrogation techniques have a lot to be desired. And you are right, much of what you want, isn't on fornits.
Take care.
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"Done with me"? You never done anything but avoid my questions from the start. You can delete what you want. HEAL still has a file on you.(and your brother)
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"Done with me"? You never done anything but avoid my questions from the start. You can delete what you want. HEAL still has a file on you.(and your brother)
Angela has "files" on everybody. She even had one on me (and the entire fornits management) as a result of her complete and total, almost pathological paranoia (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=29056#p349509) (she later retracted her accusations however). Her computer burps and she's throwing around accusations that everybody here is a some neckbeard class hacker out to get her. So take that for what it's worth. If that level of incompetence resulted in making an accusation against the entire site management here, I'd wager it'd take a lot less for an ex-staff member, regardless of what he's done to make up for his past actions. A broken clock is right twice a day, but it's useless the rest of the time. Her save the whales, heal the earth, website and her "we're not gonna take it" theme song torpedo the credibility of everybody who criticizes programs. Her organization is the PETA of the anti-program argument.
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Oh quite the contrary, my brother is not listed on HEAL's site.
I only recall recent attempts on your part to ask me questions are on page nine of the forum rules thread.
viewtopic.php?f=52&t=43930&start=120 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=43930&start=120)
You asked me why there wasn't an eckerd's forum. I replied, no one has ever asked for one and suggested that you should ask for it.
I did this on this page here: viewtopic.php?f=52&t=43930&start=135 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=43930&start=135)
You then commented on E-how-kee without asking a question, I replied that it was a shame your friend was abused there on the same page posted above.
So I really don't know what you are talking about. Maybe this was farther in the past? Hell if I know.
I do know tonight you posted my facebook age to a note I posted in 2009 in which I spent a long painful year in a horrific part of China and spent about 3/4ths of my conscious hours half bombed. So whatever conclusions you are drawing from the 2009 post are yours and yours alone to do whatever it is you please with them.
Now anything beyond the attempts I've just outlined above, I don't really know what to tell you. I haven't said much about eckerds because I haven't had many people ask me anything about the place. So really, I think I could answer a great number of your questions though they wouldn't have any specific names but Eckerd's prides itself on uniformity throughout the system, making most camps fairly similar.
Thus far, most of this has been you lashing out, you aren't giving me a whole lot to work with.
We'll try this again later if you can settle down.
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"Done with me"? You never done anything but avoid my questions from the start. You can delete what you want. HEAL still has a file on you.(and your brother)
Angela has "files" on everybody. She even had one on me (and the entire fornits management) as a result of her complete and total, almost pathological paranoia (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=29056#p349509) (she later retracted her accusations however). Her computer burps and she's throwing around accusations that everybody here is a some neckbeard class hacker out to get her. So take that for what it's worth. If that level of incompetence resulted in making an accusation against the entire site management here, I'd wager it'd take a lot less for an ex-staff member, regardless of what he's done to make up for his past actions. A broken clock is right twice a day, but it's useless the rest of the time. Her save the whales, heal the earth, website and her "we're not gonna take it" theme song torpedo the credibility of everybody who criticizes programs. Her organization is the PETA of the anti-program argument.
That doesn't mean that what's in the file is false. Like the part about him working at three springs academy. I never knew about. That's never been discussed here. I know it was a long time ago. Juast leave the nazis alone.
Yea right..........
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Look, none-ya, I'm going to try to do you a favor here. I really think we should continue this conversation in private. Not so much because I have anything to hide but because you seem a bit lost on certain key points that others aren't.
If you would like to speak with me about any question you have, and providing you ask those questions in a reasonable manner, I'll answer them, in Private message.
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That doesn't mean that what's in the file is false. Like the part about him working at three springs academy. I never knew about. That's never been discussed here. I know it was a long time ago. Juast leave the nazis alone.
Yea right..........
Statements like that really make me question how long you've actually been on here. Early in your posting history you noted that you'd been an anon prior to posting. Now i'm wondering if that's true at all. Why? If that were the case you would know that Che Gookin was not always Che Gookin. For years he was known as "Three Springs Waygookin" and there are quiet a few threads where he mentions Three Springs. So I have to ask, how do you explain this? He was one of the most prolific posters on the forum. Yet you somehow apparently missed a glaring fact that was laid out in his very own username -- imprinted on every post.
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All I ever knew about him is his connection to eckerd. Doesn't matter 'cause he's "done with me".
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Ok now I see how I missed the three springs stuff. I just now came from the three springs thread and I see that most of it was from 2010. I spent the better part of that year in and out of the hospital. So that's on me. But you can be sure I'm gonna' go back and read.
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Ok now I see how I missed the three springs stuff. I just now came from the three springs thread and I see that most of it was from 2010. I spent the better part of that year in and out of the hospital. So that's on me. But you can be sure I'm gonna' go back and read. And psy, I've been coming here since 2007.
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Ok now I see how I missed the three springs stuff. I just now came from the three springs thread and I see that most of it was from 2010. I spent the better part of that year in and out of the hospital. So that's on me. But you can be sure I'm gonna' go back and read. And psy, I've been coming here since 2007.
Well. Che has been around a lot longer than that. Longer than I have even. In any case, please be careful when you're throwing around accusations. I can't say i'd trust any of the staff members I was in program with (even one who apologized to me) and I get where your distrust is coming from, but please do contact Che and at least attempt to give him a chance. I can't force you to do that, or even to trust him, but I'm telling you as somebody who has been around here for a long time and has observed him closely that you might at least try to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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I almost understand staff that were "graduated" into their positions. But the ones that wound up there because the quickie mart wasn't hiring?
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I almost understand staff that were "graduated" into their positions. But the ones that wound up there because the quickie mart wasn't hiring?
And you think they had an idea what they were getting into? Even at the program I was in, I fully acknowledge that most of the staff (most of which couldn't get a job at a "quickie mart" because of checkered pasts) wanted to help the kids there. Most of them had the best interests in their heart. It's easy to think that something is "necessary" to help a person, even if it hurts them. The vast majority (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment) (click that link) of normal every day people will go along with it so long as the experts say it needs to be done. It's not because anybody is evil. It's because people are trained to believe and trust those in authority. The fact that Che apologized and realizes what happened was wrong means not that he's a bad guy, but that he's one of the small minority who eventually tells the authority figure that shit is actually really fucked up, just plain wrong, and tries to do something to stop it.
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Sure go ahead compare staffers with nazis. The both were only following orders. What then does that say for people who refuse to follow bad orders. Not once you've had your fill and become disgruntled. But from day 1!!
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You obviously didn't read the wiki article. It has almost nothing to do with Nazis (only peripherally, as an inspiration for the experiment) Read how many followed the experiment to it's completion, versus how few stopped it before the end. And that's when your job isn't on the line.
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I have a slightly different perspective from Academy at Swift River. Many of the staff working there with the kids were pursuing some sort of secondary degree. As I remember a few were working on their masters in psychology at Smith College. A couple of the staff wanted to be social workers and a few others teachers. What they all had in common was they enjoyed working with kids and helping them to succeed.
The turnover was a little high and you would typically find an imbalance of those who were new and those who were there a long time. Those who stayed witnessed the benefits of the school and watched the child transition into one who was at peace with themselves and focused on their academics and college careers.
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OK I read the wiki link. (or the better pat of it anyway) and I have no clue how that relates to anything here. There are no shortage of people in this world who will commit the most heinous of acts "just because". They need no coercion. You know how the allies found the concentration camps? By the smell. Yet german civilians "knew nothing" (insert sgt. schultz here). Tell me psy, when you were in your program (cedu?) Did you ever wind up identifying with you captors? I somehow picture you being at least more pragmatic than than that. You did what you had to do and then got the hell out right?
Oh by they way, This is a legit question,but I feel I have to ask for the truth.
If whooter was banned,and he couldn't even read what was going on,how did he know it was ok to come back? Tell the truth, you two are really bffs. and keep in close touch I believe. Who's next max? Oh that's right you admonished me for calling max "fat" and made me promise not to use the "f" word again. People who live in glass houses may not want to seek political correctness.
God I sound like inculcated.
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OK I read the wiki link. (or the better pat of it anyway) and I have no clue how that relates to anything here. There are no shortage of people in this world who will commit the most heinous of acts "just because". They need no coercion. You know how the allies found the concentration camps? By the smell. Yet german civilians "knew nothing" (insert sgt. schultz here). Tell me psy, when you were in your program (cedu?) Did you ever wind up identifying with you captors? I somehow picture you being at least more pragmatic than than that. You did what you had to do and then got the hell out right?
Oh by they way, This is a legit question,but I feel I have to ask for the truth.
If whooter was banned,and he couldn't even read what was going on,how did he know it was ok to come back? Tell the truth, you two are really bffs. and keep in close touch I believe. Who's next max? Oh that's right you admonished me for calling max "fat" and made me promise not to use the "f" word again. People who live in glass houses may not want to seek political correctness.
God I sound like inculcated.
When a person is banned they can still visit the site and read the posts, they are just banned from posting. I honored and accepted the ban and have not posted for a couple of years (or however long it has been). I could have changed my IP and kept posting and been a nuisance, but I accepted and respected the decision by Psy and Ginger to have me put off. When I noticed a new beginning was occurring I reached out for a new start of my own and am sort of getting my feet wet again and getting acclimated to the new rules as I see you are too, None-ya. It is good to be back and I hope the site can grow into a great discussion board once again. If things do not work out the admins can easily ban me again and I will accept their decision as I have in the past.
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There's nothing more to add ,so I'll be civil and and try not to cross paths again
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2. Personal Attacks - Personal attacks against other forum posters, even in response to one, are not allowed. This is not retroactive. Should you verbally "wish ill" on a person outside this forum, for example, and that person then becomes a poster on this forum, your old posts do not suddenly constitute a rule violation. You will, however, from that point on, be expected to at least be civil towards that poster for the purposes of furthered discussion with all involved parties. There is a time and a place for online "flame wars" (such as "Open Free for All"), but it is not here. If you can't hold it in, take it elsewhere.
Psy one question and a two polite requests for you.
How long are we going to have to be subjected to None-ya personal attacks and lack of civility? He's already lied about asking me questions regarding eckerds.I laid that out fairly clearly in another post as to how he's been quite disingenious with the truth in regards to his "questions". Despite attempts on my part to encourage a modicum of civility on his part that might facilitate such an exchange. He's since expanded his attacks to include you and refuses to engage either of in a civil reasonable manner. And we both know this isn't going to be the end of it from none-ya. So what I'm looking for is some sort of determination as to how much more we are going to have to endure?
He doesn't need to give me a chance. It's not about me being a "nice guy". If he wants questions answered, he needs to ask them and do so in a civil manner. I've put that out there for him on this thread and encouraged him to speak to me in private, providing he's civil.
And for our troubles he's responded with more flaming and personal attacks and paranoia and over-dramatic childish antics.
My request, can you please move this thread to offa? I don't really want to be the center of attention. It's uncomfortable and a bit insulting that I'm in the middle of a thread being compared to nazis. Further, I'd like you to adjust my user settings so that offa doesn't even show up for me. I feel no need to engage in these trollish flame bait-esque conversations.
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There's nothing more to add ,so I'll be civil and and try not to cross paths again
Che I was talking to whooter. I've asked you a few times about eckerd. But that's alright. Your silence speaks volume.
Where did your question of my criminal record go?
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2. Personal Attacks - Personal attacks against other forum posters, even in response to one, are not allowed. This is not retroactive. Should you verbally "wish ill" on a person outside this forum, for example, and that person then becomes a poster on this forum, your old posts do not suddenly constitute a rule violation. You will, however, from that point on, be expected to at least be civil towards that poster for the purposes of furthered discussion with all involved parties. There is a time and a place for online "flame wars" (such as "Open Free for All"), but it is not here. If you can't hold it in, take it elsewhere.
Psy one question and a two polite requests for you.
How long are we going to have to be subjected to None-ya personal attacks and lack of civility? He's already lied about asking me questions regarding eckerds.I laid that out fairly clearly in another post as to how he's been quite disingenious with the truth in regards to his "questions". Despite attempts on my part to encourage a modicum of civility on his part that might facilitate such an exchange. He's since expanded his attacks to include you and refuses to engage either of in a civil reasonable manner. And we both know this isn't going to be the end of it from none-ya. So what I'm looking for is some sort of determination as to how much more we are going to have to endure?
He doesn't need to give me a chance. It's not about me being a "nice guy". If he wants questions answered, he needs to ask them and do so in a civil manner. I've put that out there for him on this thread and encouraged him to speak to me in private, providing he's civil.
And for our troubles he's responded with more flaming and personal attacks and paranoia and over-dramatic childish antics.
My request, can you please move this thread to offa? I don't really want to be the center of attention. It's uncomfortable and a bit insulting that I'm in the middle of a thread being compared to nazis. Further, I'd like you to adjust my user settings so that offa doesn't even show up for me. I feel no need to engage in these trollish flame bait-esque conversations.
Which is what I've been subjected to for the past two years
Funny, he has a problem with you being an ex staff member, yet is friends with Danny Bennison who has accepted no responsibility for his actions as staff and still abuses Elan survivors online
So the question really is, "How much longer are we going to have to be subjected to None-ya personal attacks and lack of civility?"
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This is great, we have two of the most disgusting posters to have ever written posts on this site crying to an admin about another poster calling you out on your past. Che if more people knew who you were and howvyou have treated survivors in your padt especially women thry would run you out of town. Wayne you have been proven to be a first class liar and a fraud and yet you still come around at any chance to beg for support. You are not supported by anyone who actually knows who you are now or when you say you were at Elan.
I was never your staff member and I don't recongnize myself as a staff member.
As far as making rape joked about your repugnant claim that I fucked you, you are right I did and will continue to make jokes about your immature accusations you level at me. The only person who raped you Wayne was you. I understand you have this attraction for me but sorry I don't like duded especially people like you who would screw anything that stood still long enough.
You have harassed and abused many more survivors than I could ever, Wayne. You have been kicked off just about every Elan site including the one you started. Please tell us how you accomplished that....Oh that's right you also got banned from your writers blog on the very forum you started.
Wayne your attacks against me are old news....very old. They have no proof and absolutely no corroboration. So please STFU unless you have the actual people who were at Elan when you say you were to validate what you are saying.
I have my people on various web sites who back my character up while at Elan. Just ask Joicelyn, Peter, Mike F. Mike K., Donald H., Diane H.and Margaret D. There are more if you need more names but these people you can contsct rather easily.
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As far as me accepting responsibility......all anyone needs to do is ask the people that personally knew me while I was at Elan they all know how I feel.
Wayne you are a pimp who uses survivors as his whores to make money or at least tries. I have absolutely no respect for you so as far as taking responsibility for your fraudulent claims...... piss off.
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This is great, we have two of the most disgusting posters to have ever written posts on this site crying to an admin about another poster calling you out on your past. Che if more people knew who you were and howvyou have treated survivors in your padt especially women thry would run you out of town. Wayne you have been proven to be a first class liar and a fraud and yet you still come around at any chance to beg for support. You are not supported by anyone who actually knows who you are now or when you say you were at Elan.
I was never your staff member and I don't recongnize myself as a staff member.
As far as making rape joked about your repugnant claim that I fucked you, you are right I did and will continue to make jokes about your immature accusations you level at me. The only person who raped you Wayne was you. I understand you have this attraction for me but sorry I don't like duded especially people like you who would screw anything that stood still long enough.
You have harassed and abused many more survivors than I could ever, Wayne. You have been kicked off just about every Elan site including the one you started. Please tell us how you accomplished that....Oh that's right you also got banned from your writers blog on the very forum you started.
Wayne your attacks against me are old news....very old. They have no proof and absolutely no corroboration. So please STFU unless you have the actual people who were at Elan when you say you were to validate what you are saying.
I have my people on various web sites who back my character up while at Elan. Just ask Joicelyn, Peter, Mike F. Mike K., Donald H., Diane H.and Margaret D. There are more if you need more names but these people you can contsct rather easily.
You really are a clown, ya know that? No one is going to back your character because you have none.
I have Rick P. Joe G. Alan R. Mark Q. and Jesse L. who will all vouch that you are and always were an abuser and a piece of shit. Ask any of them
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As far as me accepting responsibility......all anyone needs to do is ask the people that personally knew me while I was at Elan they all know how I feel.
Wayne you are a pimp who uses survivors as his whores to make money or at least tries. I have absolutely no respect for you so as far as taking responsibility for your fraudulent claims...... piss off.
Why doesn't any of them support you? It's been 2 1/2 years now, what the fuck are they waiting for?
Lying ass bitch. :suicide:
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:P "I have Rick P. Joe G. Alan R. Mark Q. and Jesse L. who will all vouch that you are and always were an abuser and a piece of shit. Ask any of them?"
These are names you made up or are Elan survivors who have contacted you on your blog to congratulate you fir your memoir but they do not actually know you.
The names I wrote are people you know from the sites Joicelyn B., Peter A., Kerry Lynn, Mike O. etc....they all have spoken of my character. Unlike yourself I am not bringong names here that no one knows but yourself. Why not bring back Doug Hannah to lie again for you....lol. Wayne you know no one at all from Elan...give it up already Pimp.
You never answered the question either from a while back....how do you like it....lmao!!!!