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The Troubled Teen Industry / Fornits Mythology
« on: July 26, 2010, 04:25:43 PM »
There are a lot of myths on fornits, and only fornits, that are perpetuated about the troubled teen industry that are so ridiculous I can't help but take the time to point them out for people who might not have been in a treatment program, and aren't aware of the extreme stretching of the truth that happens here on fornits with regularity.

Jail is better than being in a program
Now this one should be just plain obvious. But for some reason the myth got started on fornits that being in jail or juvenille hall is somehow better than being in a program. Where to begin in crumbling this myth? First of all, you have much more freedom inside any program on this forum than you do in jail. Many of the so called abusive programs on this forum are wilderness programs, so you are camping out in a tent. Would you rather be locked in a concrete cell with violent inmates, or out camping under the Utah stars? Yeah, really difficult decision. Some go as far to suggest people facing treatment programs actually commit violent crimes to be sent to jail on purpose. Then these same people suggest other people like me offering some sanity are the "trolls", and they do so with a straight face. Fornits is a bizarre place, but I'm sure you already know that.

Running away is better than going to treatment
Even the resident intellectual with PhD's and schooling and everything, Dysfunctional Junction seems to believe this myth, as he recently offered this advice to a 15 year old girl facing treatment in a program with no history of abuse whatsoever. "But it sounded kinda fishy", according to fornits members. So they tell a 15 year old girl, think about that. 15 freaking years old, a girl, they tell her to run away from home. To a fornits extremist the only violence in society they care to notice happens in private programs. Truth is though, a 15 year old is about a brazillion more times to face being exploited, violently abused, or murdered on the streets than inside a treatment program. The fact this basic common sense fact can be so illusive to posters here shows how one sided thinking can become, and the group think of fornits takes over. Of course all the more ironic when people claiming these myths complain about people being "brainwashed" for saying treatment helped them.

Kids sent to treatment programs will likely be abused
Some bad things happen in treatment programs, kids get hurt and killed sometimes and it almost always an accident. The simple fact remains the number of kids who are abused, or hurt in treatment programs is a very slim minority of the overall group who attend. This is why fornits attempts to create an umbrella abuse, in the sense that if you attended a program at all, then you were abused. This clears up the fact that most kids aren't actually abused according to the definition of the word, but by defining treatment itself as abusive, therefore 100% of kids who go through treatment are abused. Problem solved! Those mental hurdles can get challenging though!

All programs are similar
The treatment program market is vibrant and varied. There are many different treatment options available for adolescents, varying from very lenient wilderness style programs, opulent residential programs, to more affordable options, there are so many programs that exist its hard to count. Fornits has about a dozen that they focus on, and discuss. Then they apply their conclusions to an entire industry, despite the variations in the different treatment programs. That's why it's better to offer advice to a 15 year old to run away than go to a treatment center with no signs or history of abuse. Its abusive because its a treatment program, so goes the myth. If I was abused in a long shuttered treatment program twenty five years ago, then why not also claim all treatment programs are equally abusive, it fits right into the fornits mythology.

All kids in programs are innocent, not troubled teens
The myth on fornits goes that programs will accept any old kid whose parents show interest, and all the programs are filled with teens who smoked 1 cigarette, and got sent straight to residential treatment, no passing go, no collecting 200 dollars. Sure there might be a few kids with parents this quick to the gun, but most troubled teens in programs are there after a long and sustained family problem and more than likely there parents had a good reason for seeking help, even if this reason is never divulged by the teen. Remember there's two sides to every story.

Once you have attended a treatment program, you will be traumatized and damaged forever
This is a favorite myth on fornits. That programs are so evil the kids all come out zombies of their former selves, killing themselves left and right, drug addicts and in prison. The idea of a successful program graduate diminishes the image of a PTSD riddled, drug addicted survivor so damaged by their time in a program there is no hope of recovery. This helps with the narrative that programs are evil much more than acknowledging that many people get on with their lives fine, and just might have been helped by it. This is why you get posters like dysfunctional assuming just because you went through treatment you work at Burger king, it fits conveniently into their mythology and world view of what programs produce, ie, damaged people with no hope, or brainwashed fanatics possibly also deserving sympathy and pity.

AA is abusive, is a bad thing, should be shut down, etc
Its funny most of the people making the negative statements about AA never even have been a part of it. AA is a successful organization with chapters in every city all over the world. Fornits has about a dozen regular posters, take you pick, which is more successful? For some reason any form of treatment bothers some people here. This is another strange chapter in the book of fornits mythology, among many others.

Programs brainwash you
This one is just funny. DId you know in treatment they break out the twirly black and white thing, and also hypnotists with a stopwatch. You are feeling sleepy... sleepy... and when you awake, you will love your parents and regret your dangerous actions. AWAKE! Come on people, lets get real . Nobody is getting brainwashed. People change, sometimes for the better. Were you brainwashed into being a troubled teen? No? Then perhaps it doesn't require brainwashing to fall out of that behavior either.

There are more, and they will be added in time. I hope you enjoyed this first installment of Fornits Mythology, the sooner you free your mind of group think the better off you'll be. Think for yourself don't just accept fornits mythology because some people are emotoinally attached to falsehoods, because then you will ironically be doing what you claim programs do. You wouldn't want that now would you! Until next time.

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Open Free for All / Parents seeking advice on fornits: DON'T!
« on: July 26, 2010, 03:19:15 PM »
From time to time dramas ruffle up fornits and then suddenly the threads in which drama happened fall by the wayside and things return to normal. New posters never find these drama filled threads resulting in real life damage to people, and naively ask the "advocates" here for advice, and then end up learning the hard way they should of never posted on this forum.

Take for example this thread: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30744&start=0

It starts out innocent enough on July 2nd 2010. A 15 year old girl finds out she might be sent to a treatment center, and is naturally nervous and scared. The facility isn't mentioned once on this forum or in any way associated with abuse. But what do facts matter? The fornits extremists pounce, with such lovely advice as...

Pile of Dead Kids
 Your parents could send "escorts" to drag you at the middle of the night; there are a number of defenses here, but the best bet is to carry a knife and start stabbing something. (A girl protecting herself against a couple of large men? I doubt the cops will prosecute). One kid handcuffed himself to the bed and left the key in his mouth.



Well it didn't take long for the bad advice, this is from the first post! Here a fornits poster ramps up the scare tactics, saying you will most assuredly be abused and your best bet is to attempt to murder the people who might escort you to treatment. Great advice!

Then comes more advice from another poster...

Nihilanthic
If you get 'escorted', crash the vehicle. Grab the wheel and stomp the throttle and don't let him touch the brake. Make every attempt to over power them or get them in an awkward situation, such as coming on to them or play the desperate/slutty/whatever card. Programs are a living fucking hell and frankly mutilation and prison time is preferable, as would be giving road-head before crashing the vehicle.


According to this "child advocate" you should attempt to kill yourself and the driver and any other vehicle unlucky enough to be near you and attempt to crash the vehicle! Go ahead and attempt to give oral sex to the driver if it helps! Because jail is better than a treatment program with no history or record of abuse. Such great advice! Why didn't I think of that?  :eek:

Another poster offers their wisdom...

Dysfunction Junction
Understood. And thank you. Please understand that when you go on a "tour" of these places, you don't leave. I'd advise disappearing for a while before that "tour" happens. If you go, you're not coming back. That much we all know here.

Is your family of means? That is, do they have a lot of money? If not, you could potentially break the stranglehold financially. If your mom keeps taking off from work and still never getting you to go with her, she might need to give in because she can't afford to sustain the struggle financially. If she has money, this will be tougher.


Run away from home! OR better yet, act up so much that you bankrupt your own family. More great advice from fornits!!

But wait, Pile of Dead Kids has even more advice...

Pile of Dead Kids
If you're worried about making him
(the girls father) violent, make him violent. Hopefully he'll leave bruises. And then you can call the cops on *him*. That'll put this whole business to an abrupt halt.

(Dear Morgan's Dad: Yes. We do give advice like that. Do you have any fucking idea what exactly you are getting into here?)


Try to get your own father to beat you up and leave bruises. Why didn't I think of that? Such brilliant advice again from fornits. In no way does this diminish the credibility of the abuse claims here though, right?... right??!!


Page 6 of that thread Pile of Dead Kids gets serious! He offers the parents an ultimatum...

Pile of Dead Kids 03 Jul 2010, 21:52
Morgan's Mom, Morgan's Dad, here's what I want you to do. Give your daughter a nice, big hug, and tell her truthfully that she is not going to end up in some hellhole under the "care" of some stranger. And Morgan? They're your parents. At least pretend to respect them until you're 18.

Got it? Are we settled, yet? Or is this going to get ugly and into territory nobody on Fornits (well, except maybe Whooter) wants to see you get to.


Get ugly? What could this poster mean by that? Is that some sort of veiled threat? Well I'll guess we are about to find out about a week later, right?

Page 9 - Some poster called SUCK IT comes along and offers some advice...

SUCK IT
Here is some advice based on reality. Don't run away from home.  Don't make the mistake that people here on fornits want to help you, or will ever follow through with the help that they offer, they are completely full of shit. The people here will help you destroy your life to win an argument, don't give them that chance.


What?! Poppycock! Dismiss this troll from the forum! Be-Gone with your troll like self !!

Did it work? Did fornits illustrious advice sway the parents from sending their child to treatment?

15 yr old girl
the Academy is still an option.


It didn't work, looks like fornits is going to have to work harder to convince these parents.

As expected here comes the great advice...

Pile of Dead Kids
Use a small blade, and make sure it's sharp. Don't extend your arm too far when you stab; this makes grabbing or blocking it too easy. Instead keep it close to your body, rushing in like you're about to give the "escort" a fast hug, while keeping your *other* arm in front so they can grab that instead. Only at the very end do you deliver the hit, putting your whole body into it, preferably upwards under the ribcage, and then twist the blade as hard as you can. This is called the "prison yard rush" method and is incredibly difficult to stop.

(Yes, I did just tell you how to stab someone. It's the same advice I'd give when anyone's trying to hurt you- rapist, serial killer, someone trying to you send you to a shithole, whatever.)


Murder your escort or whoever tries to take you to a treatment program. What great advice! Why aren't these parents listening to this great wisdom from fornits posters? Its befuddling!!!

----- notice not a peep about these posts by fornits regulars. they dont say "shut up pile thats bad advice" nothing. Well other than SUCK IT who repeatedly points out the stupidity of the advice.  --------


a few days pass......

15 yr old girl
Well, it's official.
Just as an update, I'll post it.
My parents have decided on the Academy.


Pile of Dead Kids
Alternatively you can take Niles' advice on the first page of this thread.

Or you could do what you can to end up in jail instead, which is a better place.


Better act fast, 15 year old girl, go murder someone and put yourself in jail!! because thats better than a treatment center with no history of abuse, right??

--- still not a peep from any  of the anti program posters about how bad this advice is. the silence is deafening ----

The scare tactics continue for a couple more days with posters like dysfunction trying to scare the 15 yr old girl with what to expect in treatment. Basically "YOU WILL BE ABUSED" "YOUR EDUCATION WILL BE WORTHLESS" type of statements, even though there is no history of it at the program that was being discussed.  Whooter steps in with some common sense, the debate rages on!


Nihilanthic
Yeah, about how Morgan is going to get screwed royally by a program which will set her back academically, fuck her up emotionally, destroy the relationship with her parents, and put her through intense stress and abuse for its duration.


Building up the irony... building it up ... .more and more...

Then on July 12th 2010, 10 days after a 15 year old originally came here for advice about being sent to treatment someone posts this....

Nihilanthic
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/XXXXXXX_XXXXXX
 

Who could have done such a thing?


I edited the link so it doesn't work out of respect for the family, but in the original post I quoted it linked to an entire web page dedicated to humiliating and exposing this family on a site filled with pornographic images. Their pictures with captions ridiculing them, address, phone numbers, emails, full names, employment information, facebook accounts, myspace accounts, youtube accounts, blogs and other information were posted about them. This is the internet, so when people google these family members name it will bring up this webpage, forever. The worst type of slander possible is posted on that webpage about this family, its disgusting.
 
:timeout:

How did the people who posted their most intimate details get this information? Had they been compiling information about this poor family since they first arrived, or was it since the first veiled threats began a week prior? Was it worth it, a family asking for advice on this forum thinking it was for people who "wanted to help kids", to be humiliated and threatened like this?

This is sadly typical of fornits. This will be forgotten, the threads will disappear and people might even be naive and gullible enough to take the advice of people like Pile of Dead Kids, Nihilanthic and Dysfunctional Junction seriously when they arrive. This thread is a reminder that some advice and actions are so despicable that you lose your credibility forever. No parent should ever take this site as a place offering help in any way, and they are in danger of this same fate if they do.

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Open Free for All / Taking family for granted
« on: July 23, 2010, 01:29:12 PM »
One of the amazing things about treatment programs is the effect it can have on family relationships. When you are young since you are around your family a lot and live in the same house usually, you can start to take each other for granted very easily. You can begin to annoy each other, argue and fight with each other. Kids can chafe under the strict rules of parents from their view, and parents stress out about what their kids are really up to. Families are complicated and involve a lot of emotions and like any relationship it can get ordinary and rocky and times.

When you are away from your family at a treatment program, over time, the arguments you once had seem trivial. You begin to realize what you really had with them, when you longer have it. This allows the stressful atmosphere that was present at the onset of treatment dissipates and allows a new relationship to form built on a strong foundation of honesty and mutual cooperation.

Many kids who arrive in treatment are very angry at their parents. This fades over time when they realize that perhaps their family has their best interests at heart. This anger eventually disappears, and they realize how much they really love their family. This effect will not happen with local therapy. Sorry but this is just a fact. Parents shouldn't underestimate how much a change can occur in the relationship between family members when a kid is in a treatment program. I've seen it and its powerful stuff, kids who said they hated their parents on day 1, when they get to go home with their parents they are totally changed and telling their parents how much they love them. Its pretty amazing actually.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Program nosalgia
« on: July 23, 2010, 11:32:43 AM »
I was in a adolescent treatment program, one that has its own dedicated forum on this website. According to fornits lore and mythology I should have been beaten, raped, "mindfucked", brainwashed, and finally murdered. Well, since I'm typing this they obviously failed at the murder part. But they also failed to do the other actions listed, I guess I must of slipped through the system and not been part of the experience fornits touts as typical. Or perhaps the mythology here is bullshit, I'll leave that for you to decide.

One of the funny aspects of the fornits mythology is that supposedly teens who just recently left programs are brainwashed, and so it takes a few years, or decades for this intense brainwashing to wear off, then finally you can begin to realize how you were victimized by a treatment program. Well this wasn't the case for me. I resisted treatment and actually disliked it at the time, and if asked right after getting out if it helped me I would of said hell no, it sucked! But as much as I disliked it, you wouldn't of heard me comparing it to nazi concentration camps, or claiming to be "mindfucked", abused or raped. So my timeline is kind of backwards compared to some others. As I matured over the years I realized how self centered I was and am now able to look at my experience from the perspective of others, like my family and the people who worked at the treatment center. I realized they were trying to help me, and ultimately they did help me, and probably saved my life.

Going from being a teen without boundaries doing whatever you please to being put in a strict treatment program is going to be a sour pill to swallow for any kid. I was no different, and I hated my parents at the time for "doing it to me". Now I realize I did it to myself. I pushed, and pushed. Finally my family and society had to push back, and by doing so showed me a path I would have never found on my own. A path to sobriety, responsibility and sane living. I am thankful now for all their hard work, and I did not make it easy for anyone I questioned it every chance I got, and fought to remain in my own insulated and self absorbed world of self destruction. But sometimes a jolt is needed to get somebody out of this self destructive pattern and that is exactly what happened to me.

The world I experienced while in treatment bears little to no resemblance of what is described on this forum. What this forum does it pretty simple, and effective. When there are thousands of kids at any time in treatment, and they live there 24/7 for long periods of time ultimately sometimes negative things will happen, just like bad things happen in a family home or school, or wherever. Fornits poster seize on these brief moments of negativity and use them to generalize about all treatment programs, and claim all kids are abused, maimed, mindfucked, raped and murdered. Well their extreme view is nothing like what I experienced, and supposedly, as it is described the place I went was supposed to be that way.

What I remember is staff who generally cared deeply for the kids they were in charge of monitoring. I remember kids from all over who had various issues and family problems and were working to better themselves the best they could. I remember close friendships with both staff and other kids. Yes there are growing pains when you are attempting to shift your entire lifestyle and worldview. When I was asked why I was there, I would respond" i don't know, as my parents" and thought of myself as a victim. Now I know this view is totally incorrect, but it is a comfortable position to be in because you never have to address your own responsibility for your own poor choices. It's easy to blame other people, but the truth is my actions is what caused me to be put in treatment and nothing else. I have nobody to blame but myself for finding myself in treatment, and I realize this now. And although I fought against change for most of the time, the lessons I learned have served me throughout my life so far and I am very grateful my parents decided to send me to treatment.

When I am having difficulties I look back on my program memories fondly now, and even though at the time this was a difficult time it was a very important time. When you become an adult and still have the same issues and problems as when you were a troubled teen, then there is a chance that when society finally pushes back that you will not find yourself in a treatment center but more likely prison or worse. That's where I was headed and if my parents had been able to google and find a forum like this, and were gullible enough to believe what they would have been told, the outcome for myself in the long run would of been very sad. I look back on my program time with nostalgia now because I know how incredibly important that time was, and how finally my negative self destructive ideas were challenged to a degree I had no choice but to address is. I was willing to lie , cheat, steal or whatever to get out of the program at the time. I claimed i was being abused and luckily my parents were smart enough to know it wasn't true. I felt very bad to the people I accused of this, because they later found out I lied and tried to get taken home using this strategy. Eventually I asked for their forgiveness and they were kind enough to offer it to me.

It really takes a selfless person to work with troubled teens, because to put it mildly we challenge and make their life difficult when going through the emotional growing pains that occur while in treatment.  It's sort of interesting how something I felt was difficult at the time and would have done anything to get out, I now look fondly and with reverence as a life saving experience. This is because I can look at my experience now and realize it was completely of my own making. It's easy to view this as a victim vs. victimizer role, innocent child vs. evil program. But that is not accurate nor even close to the reality of what goes on in treatment. Fornits can be so ridiculously off base regarding the reality of programs, I am beginning to wonder what is it's purpose? Truth is not something that is highly prized here on this forum, only anecdotes or other evidence that happens to corroborate the strongly held beliefs here that all programs are inherently evil.

I wish I could go back in time and really use the time in treatment to its fullest, as I wasted a lot of time fighting it and being arrogant and wanting to remain in my old ways. I was such an asshole to everybody then I also wish I could go back and apologize for the things I did and the things I said. It actually would be a lot easier for me to pretend to be a victim, and blame everything on the program and staff as others here do, but in my heart I know that it's not true. They tried their best to help me and I tried my best to prevent that, but ultimately the message seeped through and I am so thankful for that. I know nobody would know exactly who I am that is reading this, but I'm going to go ahead and offer an apology to the program staff for being to objectionable during the process and being so rude and difficult. I have a respect for the people who are willing to work with troubled teens. They didn't get paid very much and I know they weren't in it for the money, or any other reason than they really wanted to make a difference, this is something that good people do with themselves and I respect that and thank them for that.

As I look back on my time in treatment, overall it was a challenging experience. For a time I wished it never happened, and I could of just gone on being self destructive and deluding myself into thinking its a fine way to live. But I have matured to a point where I know that would have only ended in tragedy. Eventually you have to wake up and realize the only person you are hurting is yourself. Instead of wandering into adulthood with these same safe destructive beliefs my parents were smart enough to get me the jolt I needed to wake up while still in adolescence. When I got back I had to make all new friends and start a new life, I was in a different place than my old friends. Some of them continued with the same behavior and continued to be addicts well into their 20's with no end in sight. I hope they will have a jolt of some kind that will help them realize they would be better off ending that self destructive behavior, but unfortunately now their families cannot get them help unless they ask for it. I would have never asked for help, but I desperately needed it, and now I am so very thankful to the people involved with helping me, even if at the time I did not feel that way.

Some behaviors are just a slow form of suicide. According to posters here on fornits, we should just allow teens to kill themselves with self destructive behaviors because there is a very slim chance of a negative experience while in treatment. I'm sorry but this argument doesn't add up. There is a reason you can force a suicidal person into treatment, and self destructive behaviors are just as suicidal as going and standing on the ledge of a building or putting a gun up to your head. An experience that was one of the most challenging in my life, being in treatment, saved my life. Today I look back on this experience with nostalgia and wish I could have made better use of the time back then. So thank you to all those who dedicate their lives to helping troubled teens, you really were/ are our guardian angels.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / No help for suicidal teen
« on: July 11, 2010, 08:15:47 PM »
I was reading through the news and thought this article would be of interest to some posters here. It shows in Canada they lack a robust private treatment industry and like many people argue here, treatment is only available at expensive clinical facilities with psychiatrists and professionals. This article points out the downside to having restrictions on the treatment industry and the impact it has on real families. It's definitely worth the read.

No help for suicidal teen
Canada lacks resources
By CHRIS DOUCETTE, QMI AGENCY
Last Updated: July 11, 2010 7:30pm

http://www.lfpress.com/news/canada/2010 ... 80186.html

OAKVILLE, Ont. – Joanne Genovy's youngest child was just 15 the first time she tried to end her life.

It's a memory etched in her mind -- receiving a call from a friend's mom alerting her Cassandra had "swallowed a bunch of pills," racing home frantically, not knowing if her daughter would be alive or dead when she got there.

That was 14 months ago and fortunately her daughter survived.

But Joanne has lived in fear every day since, wondering when her daughter will try to end her life again.

"We never thought she was capable of something like that," Joanne told QMI Agency recently.

Teen suicides have doubled in Canada since 1961 and rates here remain among the highest in industrialized nations. In Ontario, more than 50 teens commit suicide annually.

There are various and conflicting explanations -- including our long winters -- but universal agreement among experts that there is a woefully inadequate lack of funding, treatment facilities and trained child psychiatrists in Canada.

For desperate parents, the harsh reality is there are few places to turn to for help.

While Joanne admits there was some dysfunction in her home in the past, not unlike most families, she has tried to give her youngest of four girls all the attention and love she can muster hoping to help her overcome depression and a severe eating disorder.

She's even been off work for the last year trying to care for Cassandra, a decision that's caused major financial strain for her family.

But despite her efforts, her now 17-year-old daughter's mental health has only worsened. In fact, she has now attempted suicide, or come dangerously close, five times in just over a year -- three times in the last few months.

"Each time it gets scarier," Joanne said. "I'm terrified that the next time she goes to the hospital will be in a body bag."

In spite of multiple stays in the psychiatric ward at Oakville Trafalgar Memorial Hospital, where Cassandra was last checked in on June 11, finding the right help to save her child's life has been next to impossible.

Joanne pointed out that getting immediate help for someone who is suicidal is easy enough, you can simply call 911 or visit the emergency department at any hospital.

But a hospital stay is only a temporary fix, something she has learned the hard way.

Cassandra's most recent admission to Oakville-Trafalgar lasted two weeks, but only because her mom pleaded repeatedly with staff not to release her.

As is often the case, drugs and alcohol are part of Cassandra's problem, exasperated by an eating disorder.

Joanne has looked into an assortment of aftercare programs, for both inpatients and outpatients. But they are few and far between and it can take six months to a year, or even longer, to get into such programs.

Her biggest fear is that her bulimic daughter will end up like Sara Carlin, another 17-year-old Oakville girl, who hung herself in her parents' basement in 2007. Carlin's death was recently at the centre of an inquiry into the use of Paxil, a prescription drug used to treat depression and anxiety.

After her initial suicide attempt, Cassandra was prescribed anti-depressants and began attending an eating disorder program in Halton Region. But Joanne claims she was dubbed "too risky" and was "kicked out."

Upset she was no longer allowed to attend the group counselling sessions, Cassandra stopped taking her medication.

A few days later she tried to kill herself for the second time.

The troubled teen was then admitted into a program at North York General Hospital. Her mom drove her into Toronto every day and she was "doing good" for a while.

But Cassandra managed to convince her counsellors and doctors that she was "fine" and they sent her on her way, the girl's mom claims.

"We told everybody she wasn't ready, but nobody would listen," Joanne said, adding her daughter soon fell back into her old habits.

Twice this year, in May following a break-up with a boyfriend, and on her 17th Birthday, the troubled teen again tried to kill herself.

Cassandra's illness has been tearing her family apart.

"My daughter wants help. And I can't be with her every minute of every day," said Joanne, who is now faced with either returning to work and leaving her daughter completely unattended or selling her home.

She believes her daughter needs to be admitted as an inpatient to a program with round-the-clock care. But that's easier said than done.

So far, Joanne claims she's been told her daughter is too old, too young, too sick or not sick enough, among other things.

"It shouldn't be so hard," said Joanne. She is currently trying desperately to get her daughter into Homewood, a private facility in Guelph.

Homewood has only one OHIP-covered bed and the wait for that spot is more than a year.

"All I want to do is save my child and I'll do whatever it takes to keep her alive and get her well, even if that means she ends up hating me."

’I FELT SO ALONE’

The countless scars wrapped around her wrist like bracelets indicate there's a darkness lurking beneath her beautiful facade.

Feint marks left from razor blade slashes are a constant reminder of the 17-year-old's struggles with depression, an eating disorder and periodic desires to end it all.

"I never really fit in," Cassandra Genovy told QMI Agency, while home on a weekend pass from Oakville-Trafalgar Memorial about a month ago.

She was admitted to hospital after her latest attempt at suicide, her fifth in just over a year.

Cassandra had few friends in her final years of elementary school and believes that's when her mental health issues first surfaced.

"I felt so alone ... unwanted ... and that's when I started scratching myself," she said, explaining she would claw at her forearm until it bled.

She attributes many of her woes to a lack of friends, boy troubles and clashes with her dad -- issues that may not seem like much to an adult but can be earth-shattering for a young girl, especially one who is suffering from depression.

"I started not liking school," Cassandra explained. "Then one day I just woke up and felt I didn't deserve to eat."

She became "obsessed" with exercising and began "restricting" herself to 500 calories a day -- about 1,700 calories less than is recommended for a teenage girl.

"When everything in your life is spiralling out of control, food is the one thing you can control," Cassandra said.

She then began "bingeing and purging," eating until she felt sick and then throwing up.

To control her weight, she started swallowing over-the-counter medications by the handful. And she became a master at hiding her illness.

When her mom put locks on the kitchen cupboards, she stole food from the grocery store. When she got in trouble for clogging up the toilet with vomit, she threw up into a garbage bag and hid it in her bedroom closet.

But eventually it all caught up with her.

Cassandra dropped out of school early this year, then her boyfriend dumped her in May on their one-year anniversary. She started sleeping all day, going out all night, drinking heavily and using street drugs, mainly marijuana.

"Things just became overwhelming and I had a meltdown," Cassandra admitted.

Doctors recently told her she has caused lasting damage to her body, which includes weakening her heart.

It seems unimaginable that such a sweet girl could be battling such demons.

But it becomes crystal clear in a second interview a few weeks later, after her release from hospital, that there are two starkly different Cassandras.

This one is sprawled on the couch of her parent's home, still too drunk and high from the night before to even sit up.

She's covered from head to toe with unexplained bruises and scratches, and her speech is so slurred that she's barely able to string together a sentence.

She looks more like someone who should be curled up on a grate in downtown Toronto than a teenager who has grown up in upscale Oakville.

Her mom, Joanne, and two of her sisters, Emily and Vicky, hover around Cassandra, obviously concerned for her well-being and for good reason.

She has just admitted to using cocaine for the first time, after learning a brother-in-law faces a potentially life-threatening medical issue.

"She has no coping skills, so this is how she deals with things like this," Vicky said. "But we truly believe the real Cassy is inside screaming for help."

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There's some really bullshit advice being passed off on this forum. Most of the people here went to treatment programs 20 or 30 years ago, and pass off their knowledge to teens as if contemporary programs are clones of these long shuttered memories of the past. The past is very much kept alive here on fornits, however, as these people suggest that kids entering into today's safer program will have an experience similar to theirs. This is a selfish attitude to have, especially since so few people post here it is obvious that the negative expreinces are in the very slim minority. Nevertheless I feel the urge to counter their bullshit with some real common sense advice that will better serve you in your newfound path of entering treatment.

Step 1. Be honest with yourself about why you are going to treatment. If you can get real with yourself before you even get there all the better, because a lot of time will be spent simply getting someone to honestly accept the fact they have issues. Just like in prison everybody is innocent, so it goes in treatment programs the world over, everybody is innocent and has no idea why they have randomly ended up in a treamtnet center. Adult, teens, it doesn't matter, treatment centers share this same, mysterious phenomenon of innocence. But eventually people realize it's in their own best interests to be honest. Instead of wasting time, show up honest and ready to work and it will help you out tremendously.

Step 2. Humble yourself. The people here are arrogant especially people like Dysfunction Junction who claim that people need to be PhD in science to work at a treatment facility. Just because people seem young or inexperienced don't dismiss their advice and experience. Within the context of treatment education means little and being arrogant and thinking you can fake it and be smarter than everyone else will not make it any better. You will simply remain detached from everyone else in your self imposed bubble of lies always worried it might pop at any moment, and pop this bubble of lies will, eventually. And at that moment you will have a personal reckoning in front of your so called friends whom you might have lied to their faces to keep insulated in the safety of non disclosure as advised. will they forgive you? You will have to wait and see, or take an honest path and you will not ever have to wonder.

Step 3. Be ready to receive help. If you are open to change you will have a wonderful challenge and life changing positive experience. Think about inspirational emotional drama movies, they always must overcome challenges in the beginning to finally shine at the end. This is the same in treatment. So if you can get yourself prepared that you are indeed going to change for the better you can have the right mindset about where you are headed when you get there. You can hunker down in your beliefs as people advise here, hold tight to the destructive behaviors and thoughts that lead to being compelled to go to treatment, or you can realize this way did not work and so it's time to change. If you are open to change you will have a much better experience. Even if you are cynical and just want to get out quicker, this way you will surely get out quicker and you can make friends and be treated with respect. If you take the advice here and disrespect everybody in treatment the experience will probably be negative, but this is your choice if you want it to be this way. Choose positivity!


Overall I think this is a good place to get started on some realistic advice. The advice offered on this forum by the extremists who would have you sacrifice your honesty and dignity and make a charade of yourself and treatment is wrong. If you want to complete treatment as a positive experience it is possible but it's all in your attitude. If you have a positive attitude and open yourself to change than you will have a wonderful time like so many people do.

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It has recently come to my attention that adolescent treatment programs have resorted to a new, and dangerous tactic.

Beware! Posting on fornits can now be dangerous to your health. This is a warning to new posters that by posting here you accept the inevitability that you too will be visited in the late night by ninja program hit men who will assassinate you.

Why? Why would programs go through so much effort to silence a lone critic amongst thousands of gracious and thankful devotees?

Because one critic is too many. The elders of Teen Programs of Zion have held a secret meeting in bussels this year. I have a source who worked there way inside this secret meeting as a caterer after years of deep cover work. What they reported back was gravely disturbing. They know about fornits, did you hear me? They know all about us. Our gig is blown. Our worry free days of carelessly criticizing any and all programs is up against a new and serious threat. They have been working on training a secret contingent of highly skilled ninjas to come and kill us all in our sleep, so that we may no longer criticize them.

You might be asking, wait, fornits is such a small forum and only a handful of people post here, why would they care so much about what we post here in this desolate and rarely visited dark corner of cyberspace... I thought we were safe! You are wrong. The elders of the Teen Programs of Zion have decided that any criticism on the internet is too great due to the powers of the Google. Their only solution is the elimination of all of us, these truly are dangerous times for us. I have said some negative things about programs on this site, so I believe my life is in danger. The other night I received a phone call from AT&T asking if I wanted to subscribe to long distance service, but when I read between the lines I realized that this was really a cleverly disguised death threat. When I was taking my family to the beach the other day, I noticed that the fireworks sounded like gunshots. This got me thinking, is this a sign? The sound of gunshots while me and my family were watching? I knew they were warning me, so I decided to get out of dodge.

I am posting this from a public library and will be leaving the city we are currently in as soon as I post this. We are living out of our car now, and I keep myself armed at all times because I know they might have followed us. We drive to a new location each night and I have contacted all the relevant authorities to let them know if anything happens to me and my family that it's the program elders who are responsible. If you have made a post from your home you are not safe. The elders have spies here and they have access to our IP addresses. They have connections with internet companies and can trace the IP to your house. If you ever criticized a program here you have been targeted and a contingent of highly trained ninjas has probably been watching and waiting for the best moment to assassinate you.  If you are a new poster I suggest you do not post anything negative about programs or you too might end up sleeping every night frightened with a loaded shotgun under your bed waiting for ninjas.

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The posters here call themselves "survivors", which I think is laughable. The term survivor suggests that an experience is so dangerous you are very likely to die. Some kids have died from accidents in treatment and some from staff negligence, that's a fact that cannot be denied, but these are isolated incidents. Kids have died in public schools from suicide and violence, yet people who graduate high school don't refer to themselves as high school survivors, well unless you were at Columbine or something. They rightfully use the term. The people here though, they misuse this term as they do many terms, but they have an agenda and a reason for doing it. They want to make themselves appear as victims, and at the same time suggest to anyone reading the word that programs are so dangerous, that they could have died just for attending.

The truth is tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of teens, these are their own numbers, have been through treatment programs. So the chance of not making it through alive are about 0.0000001%, about the same chance of getting struck by lightning or winning the lottery. Yet the term is so ingrained into these extremists' minds that they don't see it as funny to refer to themselves this way. I talk to people I went through treatment with regularly, and they also laughed at this term.

Let's experiment a bit. The next time you are talking to a 'survivor', ask them exactly, what did they survive? Ask them how, exactly, they were 'abused', and what they think the term means. Ask them for the full story. If they claim "well, I was restrained once, that's abuse!" ask them what lead up to the restraint. They will most likely leave that part out, and willingly mislead you as to what actually happened. The answer is self incriminating, as are most answers to these inquiries, especially why they were sent to treatment in the first place. If you were to believe fornits extremists, treatment programs are filled with a bunch of innocent good two shoes, with evil parents who scheme to have their child abused. This is as absurd as it sounds, yet the people here believe it.

But let's take it further. Ask them why they think programs exist, and you might get a long winded conspiracy theory about how the Reagan and Bush schemed to get them placed into treatment, and that the 'system' was somehow created to have them placed in treatment programs. This of course, is not true, but they believe it. It's all part of the fornits delusion that they are victims of a powerful force, a force they don't quite understand, but they know it's there. So you get debates about what is this force, how it works, who runs it. Much speculation as to whom they perceive as the grand puppet master of teenage abuse. Go ahead, and ask them. You'll get a good laugh waiting for a response lacking insanity.

The next time you interact with a self called 'survivor', ask them these questions.
1. Why do you call yourself a survivor, what exactly did you survive? How many of your peers were killed during treatment?
2. How were you abused, exactly? If you were abused by the legal definition, why didn't you call police once you got out?
3. How were you acting prior to your parents seeking help, what did you do to deserve being placed in treatment?

The answers will be dishonest, of course. But reading through the obvious mistruths in the response can help you gain understanding into the self victimizing mythology that fornits posters have created for themselves. Take notice of how many posters here are claiming they were actually abused in a treatment program, I can count them on one hand. This core group of extremists has their own fornits cult with leaders and everything, and has convinced a few gullible people who never were in treatment to believe that programs are truly evil. These foot soldiers of the cult have a distorted view of treatment programs, all their knowledge of what treatment is like comes from the mythology and mistruths created on this forum.

Their agenda is simple, to discredit all treatment options from parents seeking help. They go into a frenzy when a parent comes asking for advice, posting lies after lies about treatment programs, and claiming any teen placed in treatment will be abused, brainwashed or even murdered. They show no restraint in presenting this mythology, despite it being false, to these parents all to further their agenda. To them keeping a troubled kid from receiving help is a victory. Think about that for a second, preventing a teen from getting help is a victory to them. This is the result of group think and a deep reservoir of hatred that exists on this site. They must create targets and enemies to focus this hatred outwards, to prevent themselves from imploding. Because ultimately, this hatred will be released whether it's directed toward programs or not, and that is also evident on this forum. This is why they have posters who herd the sheep into hating certain programs. That's how you get people who never went to a treatment center claiming it is abusive or should be shut down, when in truth they have no knowledge of what it's truly like there.

So if you found this forum and are wondering why it seems like programs are evil, you have to realize this is a false impression forced upon you by the myths created on this forum by people with an agenda to discredit all treatment options for adolescents. That's why when you ask them for an alternative, they tell the teenage kid to just run away, your parents are evil and you're better off living on the street. This is not about caring about teens, it's about winning an intellectual battle. This is a battle they cannot win, and they know it. They just want to get a few gullible parents to keep their kid from getting help, and call it a victory. Then they can go to bed feeling that 'they made a difference'. This forum is filled with extremists who have a disturbing agenda, to prevent teens from receiving the help they need and even want. Don't fall for the hype. The 99.9% of us who went through treatment made it through just fine, and are better off because of it. We were not abused, and do not refer to ourselves as 'survivors'. This is a fornits phenomenon of extremism and that's why so few people post here. Just thought I'd give you a heads up to the lies you are about to be inundated with.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / *
« on: June 11, 2010, 08:51:12 PM »
l8

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These are just a couple of examples from recent news stories of the effects of illicit drugs. But you want to make them more easily accessible, cheaper, and increasing strength and potency by legalizing them? Obviously people have access to them because they do them, but at least it keeps it down to a minimum. In a world of legalized drugs there would be a thousand times more of these disturbing news reports.  



Man Castrates Himself Because His Balls Contain Monsters!

There appears to be some very nasty acid traveling the streets of Arcata, California, which has led police to issue a warning. It began April 18, when cops responded to an emergency call at the home of a 31-year-old man on a very bad trip...
 
It seems he'd gotten the idea that his balls contained "monsters," according to the Times-Standard. So he castrated himself and flushed his testicles down the toilet to rid himself of the supposed demons.

On May 8, weirdness took place again, as a 21-year-old man spent two days wandering in the forest without his shoes before returning home. And the day after that police were called to a hospital to subdue a 19-year-old suffering from nasty flashbacks from an acid trip he'd made two weeks earlier.

Two days later, police found an 18-year-old hurling himself to the pavement in the middle of the street.

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2010/05/ ... tes_hi.php

Man Cuts his Friend's Heart out While he is Still Alive!!

A deputy arrived at the residence and reportedly saw Wyatt on the couch with Powell's body, which was covered in blood and had most of its face removed. A large incision in the chest could be seen, and other unspecified body parts had been removed. An eyeball was resting in the middle of the room, according to the statement.

Wyatt allegedly told the deputy that he'd cut Powell's heart out and thrown it into the fire.

Powell's death certificate reads that he died from having his heart removed while he was still alive, causing him to bleed to death. It also lists as significant blunt force trauma to the head and neck, and compression of the neck.

The deputy reported finding blood throughout the house, making the entire residence a crime scene. Large indentations in the sheetrock in the bathroom could be seen, the statement said, which appeared to have been made by the back of someone's head.

What appeared to be wild mushrooms were in the kitchen, the deputy reported. The deputy also discovered a marijuana garden in the house when he went to search for additional victims, the statement reads.

http://www.times-standard.com/localnews/ci_15123814

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Quote from: "Psy"
Psychiatry and Psychology is based on science. AA is not and it does not work.

Psy claims that Psychiatry is based on science and that taking Prozac from the age of 13 on is helpful and should be allowed. But he also claims that AA is dangerous and should be outlawed. Why should Psy judge that AA is ineffective when so many people voluntary participate, and then engage in another form of treatment that many people oppose and claim it is effective? Does this make Psy a hypocrite or just unable to grasp his blatant double standard?

Quote from: "Psy"
Do I take Prozac? Yes. It's my personal choice. So what... Now I am in a situation where if I go off it I have severe withdraws (been on since 13).

Quote from: "Psy"
i'm pretty frigid. This might be due to the prozac.


These reports confirmed that Prozac can and does turn people hostile, aggressive and violent. Some of these reports stated, "This patient became agitated and violent after third dose of Prozac" (submitted by Lilly to the FDA in April, 1989); "'Shortly after Prozac was increased to 80 mg daily patient became extremely violent" (submitted by Lilly to the FDA in July, 1989), "This patient was reported to have become manic with prominent paranoid ideation while taking Prozac.


Quote from: "Psy"
I isolate. I sit in front of my computer. That's my life. I hate people (being around them).
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Is it appropriate for someone to wish for people to die of cancer because they have differing opinions on where to treat troubled youth?
What does it say about the person who makes these morbid wishes upon people they do not know?



Quote from: "psy"
Quote from: "Oscar"
And how is Mr. Kay doing? He must back in the States right now dealing with the little thing he has in his stomach.

Please let it be inoperable terminal cancer.


Quote from: "psy"
As for TheWho... I hope he gets cancer, or something very very painful ( i do, truly feel that way ) for all the harm he has done, is doign, and will unfortunately continue to do elsewhere, but he will not do it here anymore and have an easy time of it.


Quote from: "psy"

Go fuck yourself Sue.  Did you not watch that video?  You can't just leave.  I've explained why a hundred times before.  Go push your shit somewhere else.  I truly hope you die in a very, very painful manner.  Cancer, preferably.



Quote from: "Psy"
You seem to have been around here a while to remember the cancer comments (which I did make and do not regret or retract)

What do you think? Is this appropriate behavior for someone who wishes to remain credible in this debate?[/size]

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I voluntarily decided to go to an AA meeting and I was horribly abused and want to tell you about it. First of all I was abused with starvation, they only had coffee and donuts and I expected a full meal because I was hungry! I was subjected to a forced public LGAT session and was humiliated by it and that will have lasting effects on me. The people there were so cruel they purposely blew cigarette smoke in my personal space subjecting me to lung cancer, heart disease and early death. I felt myself being brainwashed and this scared me a lot. I thought about leaving but the meeting was in a bad neighborhood and I was scared I might get beat up while walking to the bus stop. This person offered me a ride home and while on the ride home they tried to brainwash me more and this was a very abusive experience overall and I hope the government will shut down all abusive programs like AA soon.

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I had to go to the DMV to get my license the other day and they made me stand in line and take a number and wait with everyone else, it was kind of like a LGAT session and I came out of it brainwashed. Then I went on an airplane to visit my grandmother Anne bonney and they tackled me because i made a joke about arabs and then they stripped searched me and made fun of me and stuff and I cried. Then when I landed I tried to get a rent a car but they wouldnt give me one because I'm not old enough, and I felt really trapped and stuff. That made me sad so I told someone I felt like dying and they were really an undercover flight marshall and he called the cops and I was locked up for two weeks for psychiatric observations and I was put on medication and now I feel all dumb and groggy. The world is like a prgoram.. man, its crazy. Guess I'll go smoke some drugs and get high to forget about it. Those lucky monkeys don't have to deal with this crap, they just live in trees and eat bananas and stuff... I wish I was a monkey.

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So I was in this program 30 years ago for people who did drugs and stuff. But the truth is I didn't do much drugs but my parents were crazy and sent me anyways! Can you believe it?! But back to my story. So I was at this drug rehab and the people were all like creepy and stuff and said the same things like they were brainwashed it was scary. One time I didn't do what they told me so they got mad and yelled at me and that was really scary and I peed myself and that humiliation has had long lasting effects into my life. Now I live on disability from being in the drug rehab and have a serious mental health problem which allows me to collect lifetime disability. I have enough of this disability payment every month to help pay for fornits bills which makes me feel happy. I also think the world sucks and monkeys are better because they are ignorant of everything. I wish I was a monkey. Boo hoo, my life sucks guess I'll go get high on drugs again.
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