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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) => Thayer Learning Center => Topic started by: Anonymous on July 27, 2005, 04:34:00 AM
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i survived through thayer learning center, and was in there for over 15 months. i remember sergeant sperry, atchison, drill sergeant skidmore, mrs. willa, mr. bundy and all the illegall shit they did to us. its all de humanizing, and horrible. contact me at [email protected].
yah and come looking for me transport sergeants i will hang you with meat hooks and preform testicle surgery followed by rigorus, uneducated wisdom teeth exctraction. then cut your fucking heads off and fuck them dry.......
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hmmm.... the sentiment i feel is similiar... who are you? i was there for 13 months
Nothing is denied to well-directed labor, and nothing is ever to be
attained without it.
--Joshua Reynolds (1723-1792)
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why do you say those things? What do you hope to accomplish? I have a feeling you were not even really there. Be specific, what was so bad if you was there?
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I've read the last couple of posts. I tuned into this screwed up sight months ago. I have found that most people on here lie, have nothing to do with TLC, and some might be members of it. I'll tell you the truth, I have a child there. I have found nothing has been bad at all. I know hints my child can send me in letters, which was discussed before going there. Yes, I realize the start was tough, we all knew. I'm curious why in the same sentence you say it was good for you, but bad. You say you have nightmares. Of what? Every person that has posted a similar one as yours, never gives any specifics, or what their real thought is. I have been given an abundance of information, some of which I didn't necessarily want to hear, from the school, but it was in reality good. Never abuse or anything like that. If I thought that for a second, I'd go get my kid. But from review, this site in no way can influence me one way or the other of that. I have found most, through my own research to be totally false. Take for example, all those that say to contact them via e-mail. Even the next day after the post, the e-mail gets returned as invalid. Makes one wonder, what is the point of the sender, other than to push their own agenda, which is basically ununderstood. If you have something to say, and you are out of the school as you say, then just damn say it. This site is so meaningless, that I only come to it very occasionally. It is overun by dumbasses and strange people. I have not believed one person who claimed to have been there, that was actually there. I'm just after truth, and if this site doesn't support truth, and only supports radical beliefs, then I'm for shutting it down, because all it does is appear on search engines, and panics normal people. I'm sure I'll get stoned from the people reading this, but we will never see eye to eye. I look for truth, and betterment for my child, and they sit around on website forums condemning people. :???: If your gonna say something, or make a point, then do it. I'm not trying too, but you are.
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On 2005-08-02 18:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
I have not believed one person who claimed to have been there, that was actually there.
And some people still don't believe that men landed on the Moon or that the Earth is a globe.
Why in the world would anybody make up something like that? For something that has spread with all the forethought of kudzu, the Internet isn't half bad."
-- Newsweek, 2/27/95
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well, I guess that's true, but some people believe most anything too, just as well. And people are people, there's good and bad. If some have had a hard hand dealt to them from some bad, then hosting a site to Judge all that have similar circumstances is bad. I see you were from Strait, Inc. I have heard nothing good from there, but I do see that thousands have been through it with only a handful of complaints of abuse. It just seems to me, the people that criticize strict programs:
#1. Don't really say what the problem is, other than alleged abuse. Which is a broad term. Does that mean looking crosseyed at someone, when they wanted you to look different at them? Or is it when a child just simply doesn't get their way, and realize they are not in charge?
#2. Might have been in the program, and it just didn't work for them. None claim to work for everyone.
#3. They don't realize what a parent goes through even researching or entering their child in a program. Now don't get me wrong, some don't seem to be good. But I think most parents investigate extensively, and would give their own life to protect their children, but want them to learn about the real world. And the expense the parents find a way to pay for, lasting for years, which they had hoped would be college money.
#4. It just seems to me the ones that have the most grievances, are the ones who were very against any modification of their own behavior from the start, and fought it every step of the way. But they don't mention why their parent had an inkling of why it may be necessary. They've never had to do anything for anyone. They probably do not now. And never will. And have no real future.
Yeah there are bad parents. Ones that might have failed in some circumstances, and those that hve tried everything. And there are caring parents who have exausted every means to better their child, and this was toward the last resort. In the old days, a parent would lay down the law with the belt, and it worked about every time. It was expected from the child, and they knew the consequences. The parents didn't sweet talk them into good behavior and respect. It has to be earned from the parents. Those kids weren't on forums then talking about abuse. They understood the law, and obeyed as best they chose, and later respected their parents. Today, a child can call Child Abuse Hotline and have investigators at home within hours. The kids all know this, and do this. I know.
And since so called "abuse" is such a hot topic here, I have yet to see someone offer a better way to do things, that has actually worked from their own experience. They are not on forums, they have better things to do. The bulk of the people, like me, are on this forum to get legitimate information, which doesn't exist here, and they just find all these negative scare post from strangers.
So, I have to respond with your statement of some people still think no one has landed on the moon, and think the world is flat, by saying, the people that proved all of that wrong were courageous truth seeking people, who can distinguish between b/s and reality. Life is tough, and I think youths need to be equipped to deal with it. Sometimes it can be hard, but not abusive, but have to be able to handle what life deals out. Not in an abusive way, but in a good way. With honesty, integrity, and in my opinion a holy way.
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On 2005-08-03 17:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
"well, I guess that's true, but some people believe most anything too, just as well. And people are people, there's good and bad. If some have had a hard hand dealt to them from some bad, then hosting a site to Judge all that have similar circumstances is bad. I see you were from Strait, Inc. I have heard nothing good from there, but I do see that thousands have been through it with only a handful of complaints of abuse. It just seems to me, the people that criticize strict programs:
#1. Don't really say what the problem is, other than alleged abuse. Which is a broad term. Does that mean looking crosseyed at someone, when they wanted you to look different at them? Or is it when a child just simply doesn't get their way, and realize they are not in charge?
#2. Might have been in the program, and it just didn't work for them. None claim to work for everyone.
#3. They don't realize what a parent goes through even researching or entering their child in a program. Now don't get me wrong, some don't seem to be good. But I think most parents investigate extensively, and would give their own life to protect their children, but want them to learn about the real world. And the expense the parents find a way to pay for, lasting for years, which they had hoped would be college money.
#4. It just seems to me the ones that have the most grievances, are the ones who were very against any modification of their own behavior from the start, and fought it every step of the way. But they don't mention why their parent had an inkling of why it may be necessary. They've never had to do anything for anyone. They probably do not now. And never will. And have no real future.
Yeah there are bad parents. Ones that might have failed in some circumstances, and those that hve tried everything. And there are caring parents who have exausted every means to better their child, and this was toward the last resort. In the old days, a parent would lay down the law with the belt, and it worked about every time. It was expected from the child, and they knew the consequences. The parents didn't sweet talk them into good behavior and respect. It has to be earned from the parents. Those kids weren't on forums then talking about abuse. They understood the law, and obeyed as best they chose, and later respected their parents. Today, a child can call Child Abuse Hotline and have investigators at home within hours. The kids all know this, and do this. I know.
And since so called "abuse" is such a hot topic here, I have yet to see someone offer a better way to do things, that has actually worked from their own experience. They are not on forums, they have better things to do. The bulk of the people, like me, are on this forum to get legitimate information, which doesn't exist here, and they just find all these negative scare post from strangers.
So, I have to respond with your statement of some people still think no one has landed on the moon, and think the world is flat, by saying, the people that proved all of that wrong were courageous truth seeking people, who can distinguish between b/s and reality. Life is tough, and I think youths need to be equipped to deal with it. Sometimes it can be hard, but not abusive, but have to be able to handle what life deals out. Not in an abusive way, but in a good way. With honesty, integrity, and in my opinion a holy way. "
do a search for my posts. it offers SPECIFICS of what happened to my son. You can also contact me directly at my email that I have provided on occasion. No need for me to hide.
Your posts sound very suspicious, you sure you dont work for them?
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On 2005-08-03 17:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
well, I guess that's true, but some people believe most anything too, just as well. And people are people, there's good and bad. If some have had a hard hand dealt to them from some bad, then hosting a site to Judge all that have similar circumstances is bad. I see you were from Strait, Inc. I have heard nothing good from there, but I do see that thousands have been through it with only a handful of complaints of abuse. It just seems to me, the people that criticize strict programs:
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Look, I never started this site to instigate criticizm against good people or good ideas. I started this site at the request of Wes Fager, as he was looking for info. while researching his book. The book never made it into a dead tree edition. But you can read it and a lot of other related information at http://thestraights.com/ (http://thestraights.com/)
There's a WHOLE lot more than a handful of lawsuits. The term "plethora" seems more apt. And, as always, the devil is in the details. Look at the content of those suits. Look at the specific complaints that continue to flow from different people, different states and countries, different generations.
My intention in hosting these forums was, as it remains, to allow an uncensored outlet for those of us who have firsthand experience with these types of programs (i.e. Synanon based BM, generally marketed as therapy for "troubled teens"). I hoped that we would be able to find old friends, compare notes and better understand what happened to us. And that has happened, or so I'm told, quite often.
I also wanted you, the next generation of easy marks, to have a shot at the other side of the story; the details not provided you in the glossy brochures or by the paid edcons and program reps. People like that have fairly often dropped a line of thanks for just that. So that's working pretty well too.
I'm a little surprised at the number of people like you, though. Why do you come here? Why hang around? You seem to be putting a great deal of time, thought and effort into coming up w/ (rather unlikely) excuses to reject what we have to say. If you're that determined to keep on believing just what you already do, why not save yourself the mental exertion and just stick w/ the sites and forums that will only allow those views that you want to hear?
Immortality: A toy which people cry for, And on their knees apply for, Dispute, contend and lie for, And if allowed Would be right proud Eternally to die for.
--Ambrose Bierce
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On 2005-08-03 17:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
#4. It just seems to me the ones that have the most grievances, are the ones who were very against any modification of their own behavior from the start, and fought it every step of the way. But they don't mention why their parent had an inkling of why it may be necessary. They've never had to do anything for anyone. They probably do not now. And never will. And have no real future.
I have to single this one out. Where do you come up with this shit?
Let me fill you in. I always had to do something for someone. I always had to do chores. In addition, if I wanted anything more than basic school clothing, food, shelter, etc., I had to work for it too. My allowance ($5 - $10/wk) was entirely contingent on my satisfactorily completing my chores. And if I wanted more money than that, I had to work outside the home; babysitting, lawn mowing, paper routss, etc.
And here's a big bombshell for you. I never complained about it. In fact, I was quite proud of my ability to pull a little weight around the house, to get and keep those odd jobs from neighbors and to manage my earnings and negotiate a deal.
Since then, I've still "had to" do everything for somebody or something for everybody. Hello? You're really not talking to a bunch of bratty, spoiled 16yo's here. I'm 40 years old. I have three kids. When the first one came along, I was all alone for the first couple of years. It got easier when I met my husband and he started pitching in. But he also gave me two more kids.
Now that they're grown or almost grown, this is the very first time in my life that I haven't had to do everything for everybody. And I must admit that it is nice! I'm enjoying it thoroughly! All I have to do anymore is keep the bills paid (dh takes care of most of the earning) and some light housework. Well, I suppose that's not all I "have to" do. But all the gardening, activities transporting and cheering, reading, counseling and shoulder lending, that's pretty much indistinguishable in my life from just living and having fun.
Lighthouses are more helpful then churches.
--Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father, author, and inventor
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On 2005-08-03 17:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
In the old days, a parent would lay down the law with the belt, and it worked about every time. It was expected from the child, and they knew the consequences. The parents didn't sweet talk them into good behavior and respect. It has to be earned from the parents. Those kids weren't on forums then talking about abuse. They understood the law, and obeyed as best they chose, and later respected their parents. Today, a child can call Child Abuse Hotline and have investigators at home within hours. The kids all know this, and do this. I know.
Yes, those good old days which are non-existent. Pick up the August 8th edition of Time Magazine and turn to page 43:
"Today's 13-year-olds are less likely to smoke, drink, do drugs, get pregnant, commit a crime or drop out of school than those of their parents' generation in the 1970s. The birthrate for girls under 14 has been cut in half since 1953. But that record does not prevent every new generation of parents from fearing the worst."
There are so many studies linking corporal punishment with subsequent violent behavior that I cannot believe you would still endorse "the belt." If anything, overly strict parenting contributes to behavior problems. Fear is not respect. I know.
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:wstupid: :wstupid: the guy at the top is adam humphries. every thing he says is true his word is gospel
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LOL ^ its spelled humphries, he told me he got sent 2 TLC because two girls at school said he had a small you know what, then he showed hiiss you know what to them :rofl:
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On 2005-08-18 00:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
"LOL ^ its spelled humphries, he told me he got sent 2 TLC because two girls at school said he had a small you know what, then he showed hiiss you know what to them :rofl: "
Oh, that's insane! When my husband was in school, he only got kicked out for that. Girls siad "Kiss my ass" he said "Suck my dick" she said "Whip it out" and so he did. Boom! Out the door he went! A year from now, I'll be very surprised if there is not some grand square in Baghdad that is named after President Bush.
--Pentagon advisor, Richard Perle, September 22, 2003
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humphries
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On 2005-08-18 07:01:00, Antigen wrote:
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On 2005-08-18 00:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
"LOL ^ its spelled humphries, he told me he got sent 2 TLC because two girls at school said he had a small you know what, then he showed hiiss you know what to them :rofl: "
Oh, that's insane! When my husband was in school, he only got kicked out for that. Girls siad "Kiss my ass" he said "Suck my dick" she said "Whip it out" and so he did. Boom! Out the door he went! A year from now, I'll be very surprised if there is not some grand square in Baghdad that is named after President Bush.
--Pentagon advisor, Richard Perle, September 22, 2003
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what did your parents husband say when they found out?Did he get grounded?
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On 2005-08-20 07:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
what did your parents husband say when they found out?Did he get grounded?"
My parents husband? LOL
My dearly departed mother in law was old school. Grounded? LOL, yeah right! Kid was 17 years old and had a full beard. No. She said "Get a job and start paying rent", and so he did. Even after he moved in w/ me, he still went home every morning at like 6 to babysit his little brother till school started.
"Replace end user" (The Top Support Call Closer 10 Years Running)
--Bastard Administrator
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TO THAT NEIVE DUMBASS PARENT. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOUR KID IS IN FOR, AND WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON. BUT, HEY ITS YOUR LITTLE SHIT-HEAD KID, NOT MINE,HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
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^ :smile:
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when did you get out of TLC humphries?
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march 15 of 04, would you care to tell me your name, eyecandy?
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On 2005-08-20 19:38:00, -=Cadet=- HUMPHRIES wrote:
"march 15 of 04
why did it take you so long to come here (nearly a year and a half), you son of a bitch?We could have killed the bundies by now :cool:
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who are u guys to say you dont beleive one thing that we say? if you were there then you can open your fucking mouth, otherwise its just a place i can piss in!
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humphries i heard u ran away in december, i left in like september a ocuple days after u became jr staff, so why did u run :???:
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i ran for pretty much the same reasons people do drugs. just for the rush, i knew i wasnt going anywhere. but mass against power, we had to show them that we had more power than the system. YOU UNDERESTIMATE THE BRILLANT MIND OF A DEVOLOPING YOUTH-BUNDIES!
and by the way who is asking?
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were u in Jr. staff when u ran, or did u go to bootcamp or somethin?
this is quagliaroli
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Look i don't know about everyone here but i can tell my story, i was sent to TLC!!! that is the truth. Lnow one ever tells about what they didi to get there so i will tell what i did. i have to say before i went there i was irresponsible and me and my mom fought alot but i know i wasn't a bad kid, my sisiter on the other hand was crazy she didi all kinds of drugs and she "said" she didn't care what people thought. My dad was abusive and she was the oldest child she saved me countless numbers of times and was the only one my dad didn't hurt regularly she also got her share though. I got the brunt of his wrath becouse it seemed like i could do nothing right. My mother never did anything and this resulted in my anger toward her. i am not making excuses for my actions becouse I know people who have gotten through that. Well as i said she saved me and all the above resulted in a hard shell that only i could penetrare on certain occasions. My mom tried to get me and my sister to stop hanging with each other but htat only made us closer. We did defy Authority and she did do drugs and such but i didn't. i hardly even fought with my mom becouse i was never with her. Well my mom sent my sister and never even told men until i came home that day her room was empty and all my things were locked in a green trunk in her bedroom i threw a fit. I tried to get my stuff out and was screaming at her that i was going to get my sister back. She called the poloce and sent me to A.T. I was only supposed to be there for like and hour becouse i didn't really do anything. but i ended up staying for three days finally TLC came to pick me up. I had a billion sargeants that day becouse they all wanted to see me becouse of my sister i think.The more Sargeants you have the worse it is becouse they egg each other on. i passed out twice on my intake and all they didi was while i was falling throw me two the ground and twist my arm behind my back until i stood up agian. they never believed me. Any way Boot camp wasn't so bad FOR ME. Becouse i was an idiot and got brain washed. I realised how bad it was at first and then you get cought up on it. you start to think it's funny to watch a girl eat their puck and you love to tell on people. I started to write letters to my mom not to ever take me out becouse i was changing. I was changing but not for the better. I was becoming hard and cold and down right mean. I fianlly got to residency and it was like cold water being thrown in your face. They bring you down after you work so hard to get up there. They call you names all the time and they talk about other cadets infront of you. they don't care at all and you finally relize what a joke everything is. you can talk to your parents once a week but you have a family rep and you will get fines if you say anything bad about thayer. Even on Visits you can't really say anything becouse your family rep is ther and .Some of the girls there cry at night but they don't tell their parents anything becouse they are so close to graduating. There isnothing good about that place and there is so much i am sure i am leaving out. I am still scared writing this becouse if they find out who i am they can sue.
i am not a good kid now. In the back of my mind i know i am wrong but now i don't care becouse i was sent there even though i did nothing wrong. so know i guess i am trying almost everything i was sent ther for.
A former Cadet
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what is your name?
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you start to think it's funny to watch a girl eat their puck and you love to tell on people. I started to write letters to my mom not to ever take me out becouse i was changing. I was changing but not for the better. I was becoming hard and cold and down right mean. I fianlly got to residency and it was like cold water being thrown in your face. They bring you down after you work so hard to get up there. They call you names all the time and they talk about other cadets infront of you. they don't care at all and you finally relize what a joke everything is. you can talk to your parents once a week but you have a family rep and you will get fines if you say anything bad about thayer.
Have you ever read the book, Lord of the Flies?
Cliff notes: http://www.bellmore-merrick.k12.ny.us/lord.html (http://www.bellmore-merrick.k12.ny.us/lord.html)That it is wrong for a man to say he is certain of the objective truth of a proposition unless he can provide evidence which logically justifies that certainty. This is what agnosticism asserts and in my opinion, is all that is essential to agnosticism.
--Thomas Henry Huxley, English biologist
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I just said that i didn't want to say my name, i can't believe i just told a whole bunch of people my story. there is no way a name is coming out of these lips.
What is your name???? :eek:
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No why. Does it have something to do with me???
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On 2005-11-22 12:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
"No why. Does it have something to do with me???"
It has something to do with why you changed for the worse, and why you enjoyed watching a girl eat her own vomit, and why you liked getting others in trouble.
It's what happens to you when you are in survival mode, and are isolated from normal society. Laws change, instinct takes over, and often violence is the highest or only form of power.
My heart goes out to you. :cry:
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base.
-- Dave Barry
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Thank you for giving me that insight. Instead of blaming myself or others for that matter I can look more deeply. I read that stuff on the link you gave to the lord of the flies. It was really helpful.
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hey humphries were you there when hayes and hodges cosares were there
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On 2005-08-02 18:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I've read the last couple of posts. I tuned into this screwed up sight months ago. I have found that most people on here lie, have nothing to do with TLC, and some might be members of it. "
Why don't you read the "The search by star thing. It tell's you alot of stuff. Don't just make asumptions. Maybe some are lying, and maybe some are telling the truth. I would find out all the facts before saying hurtful things like that. Some of those kids are telling the truth. Take your son out. And the stuff in that letter isn't the half of it.
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On 2005-11-30 12:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-08-02 18:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I've read the last couple of posts. I tuned into this screwed up sight months ago. I have found that most people on here lie, have nothing to do with TLC, and some might be members of it. "
Why don't you read the "The search by star thing. It tell's you alot of stuff. Don't just make asumptions. Maybe some are lying, and maybe some are telling the truth. I would find out all the facts before saying hurtful things like that. Some of those kids are telling the truth. Take your son out. And the stuff in that letter isn't the half of it."
that is completely bullshit! usually WILLA BUNDY or A BUNDY comes up to one of these sights about TLC and how shit it is and they say oh how it isnt shit! yea well you know WHAT! stop saving your EFFIN reputation cuz its already SCREWED!! and if you aren't a bundy and just a passerbyer! well then you know what! THERE IS SOMETHING WE CALL PUTTING ON A SHOW SO WHY DONT YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP IF YOU DONT KNOW FUCKEN SHIT!!
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does anyone have contacts for well... a bunch of people... ummm andrea wilson? brittany sherrod, christin keller, shannon carpenter? i haven't seen or talked to them since FOREVER i kinda miss them
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On 2005-11-29 12:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Thank you for giving me that insight. Instead of blaming myself or others for that matter I can look more deeply. I read that stuff on the link you gave to the lord of the flies. It was really helpful."
I'm glad it did. Don't blame yourself - blame the "program." Thayer Learing Center abuses children, and leaves them with the impression that it's a privilege to watch others be abused.
It's dead wrong, and you need to understand that in order to heal from that traumatic experience.
Take care ~ ::dove::
To the extent that a society limits its government to policing functions which curb the individuals who engage in aggressive and criminal actions, and conducts its economic affairs on the basis of free and willing exchange, to that extent domestic peace prevails. When a society departs from this norm, its governing class begins, in effect, to make war upon the rest of the nation. A situation is created in which everyone is victimized by everyone else under the fiction of each living at the expense of all.
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Straight, Inc. '86-'88
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Sherrod is in Bootcamp agian. I think she is in resisdency right now but she freakin got us smoked forever. She told me a little about you guys. She is doing alot better. The program changed alot since the last time she was there she said that when you guys went there it was alot different and that know it is just bullshit. she's convensed that if Ms. Willa new about the shit that goes on there she would do something. But we told her and she didn't do a damn thing.
Give me the youth, and Germany will rule the world.
--Hitler
[ This Message was edited by: Write back? on 2005-12-01 12:49 ]
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On 2005-11-29 12:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
I'm glad it did. Don't blame yourself - blame the "program." Thayer Learing Center abuses children, and leaves them with the impression that it's a privilege to watch others be abused.
It's dead wrong, and I want you to understand that in order to heal from that traumatic experience.
Take care ~ ::dove::
Thank you. You are really sweet. I think I just need more time to learn about that kind of stuff and to understand it. I still feel bad about how i treated the gilrs and i want to apologize. But there is no way. i don't have their phone numbers or e-mails.
i guess I should just take it to the Lord.
This is a opology to all the girl cadets out there from the bottom of my heart. i didn't mean to hurt you or make you cry.
take this as a oplogy from all the girls who were hurtful.
Former Cadet
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On 2005-12-01 12:46:00, Write back? wrote:
"Sherrod is in Bootcamp agian. I think she is in resisdency right now but she freakin got us smoked forever. She told me a little about you guys. She is doing alot better. The program changed alot since the last time she was there she said that when you guys went there it was alot different and that know it is just bullshit. she's convensed that if Ms. Willa new about the shit that goes on there she would do something. But we told her and she didn't do a damn thing.
Give me the youth, and Germany will rule the world.
--Hitler
if you think miss willa cares about crap that goes on in that school...you got another thing coming!! she only cares that she gets parents to write her checks for 4,000 per/month. if she cared..she would have done something by now. she's a freaking idiot! not to mention she is damn ugly.
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True. True.
Sherrod finally figuered that out after she told her. That lady just laughed in our face pretty much. She is a bitch. She was convenced that me and my sister were tag teaming my mom or somthing or other. She doesnt know shit. We weren't even aloud to look at each other let alone talk.
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i am going to write a book about thayer and about the rest of my life. i was there 04-04 to 08-04 i want alvarado's number or jackie love but i dont think that anyone knows asia johnson's number but if u know it please tell me...
[email protected]
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i am going to write a book about thayer and about the rest of my life. i was there 04-04 to 08-04 i want alvarado's number or jackie love but i dont think that anyone knows asia johnson's number but if u know it please tell me...
[email protected]
~when i die fuck it i want to go to hell.cuz i'm a piece of shit it aint fucking hard to tell.
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eminem is da bomb
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I feel bad for all of you that had a bad experience at Thayer Learning Center.
I worked at Thayer from 9/03 to 12/03 as a Staff Sergeant. I will admit that we did hire a few Sergeants that were not qualified for the job. I tried to be as fair as I could with all of the Cadets that I came in contact with.
During my time at TLC I would exercise with both the Male and Female cadets every time I had the chance as well as trying to give them a brake when needed.
Please give credit to those Sergeants that really tried to do the best they could with you guys. It wasn't the easiest thing to be in charge of 40+ teenagers that really didn't want to be there.
I do want to say that I had a blast with those cadets that were willing to work us Sergeants and do what we asked them to do.
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On 2006-01-18 08:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I feel bad for all of you that had a bad experience at Thayer Learning Center.
I worked at Thayer from 9/03 to 12/03 as a Staff Sergeant. I will admit that we did hire a few Sergeants that were not qualified for the job. I tried to be as fair as I could with all of the Cadets that I came in contact with.
During my time at TLC I would exercise with both the Male and Female cadets every time I had the chance as well as trying to give them a brake when needed.
Please give credit to those Sergeants that really tried to do the best they could with you guys. It wasn't the easiest thing to be in charge of 40+ teenagers that really didn't want to be there.
I do want to say that I had a blast with those cadets that were willing to work us Sergeants and do what we asked them to do."
What were you impressions of TLC? I see you were there for only a short time, why?
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I was at TLC for a short time only because I was waiting to be accepted to a college I wanted to go to, otherwise I would have stayed.
I knew a lot of cadets there and I really liked all of them.
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What do you think of the treatment model that is used at Thayer?
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As I said before we had some Sergeants that weren't the best. There were a few times that I saw a Sergeant step in front of a cadet that was trying to hurry back to his room. I talked to the Sergeant and got on his case for that. He stopped.
I did see some other things go on there but I tried to put a stop to as much as I could. When I say other things I don't mean HUGE things. At least that I saw personally.
Not all of the Sergeants at Thayer were Assholes.
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But what do you think of the treatment model they use? I understand your views on the Sgts. that were there, but what about the basics of the program?
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I know people will hate me for this but I agree with the Smoke Sessions and with the amount of exercising the cadets have to do.
Is there something particular you have in mind?
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What are smoke sessions?
I'm interested in the entirety of the treatment model. The philosophy of TLC. I'd like to hear from someone who actually worked there what they think it is and their thoughts on it how effective it is.
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On 2006-01-18 08:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
"As I said before we had some Sergeants that weren't the best. There were a few times that I saw a Sergeant step in front of a cadet that was trying to hurry back to his room. I talked to the Sergeant and got on his case for that. He stopped.
I did see some other things go on there but I tried to put a stop to as much as I could. When I say other things I don't mean HUGE things. At least that I saw personally.
Not all of the Sergeants at Thayer were Assholes."
you are right. not all of them may have mistreated the students. But the fact that it continues to happen to this day, and it hasn't stopped, tends to lead toward the theory that whoever is ultimately in charge KNOWS that it happens and does nothing to stop it. That in itself is wrong! Plus, if they are having this many problems with instructors, they obviously need to screen a little better before they put someone in charge of students like that. I understand that the whole point is to teach the children a lesson, so to speak, but that doesn't mean you intentionally physically harm them, deny them privileges like the ability to use the restroom, deny them food, force them to sleep in their own urine/escrement, force them to work in the snow without adequate protection, "smoke them" because one person got out of line, take them down because you "feel like it", deny them medical care when it is absolutely necessary. I could go on and on, but I will stop for now. There are proper ways to handle situations. One does not need to abuse someone to get them to reach your main objective. Abusing them only works temporarily as it instills fear in them, but eventually abuse will come back to haunt them and cause damage to them in the long run.
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On 2006-01-18 09:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What are smoke sessions?
I'm interested in the entirety of the treatment model. The philosophy of TLC. I'd like to hear from someone who actually worked there what they think it is and their thoughts on it how effective it is."
smoke sessions are where they basically exercise the child until they literally collapse from exhaustion. For example, one may be forced to do pushups for several hours on end and if you refuse or you stop, they will become even more harsh on you. There are many others ways of "smoking" someone, but this is just one example of many. There are a variety of things that will cause you to get "smoked", some of the least offensive being (and these are examples only, and not limitations):(1) urinating on yourself/your bed (and this occurs because you have been denied bathroom privileges); (2) sharing/stealing food (and of course, this occurs because you have not been adequately fed). Get the gist of it?
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As you know the boot camp is completely different from the Residency section of TLC.
In BootCamp the Cadets are exercised from sun up to sun down. We drill the Cadets on how to properly fold their clothes and put everything in its right place. Cadets are also responsible for cleaning not only their own area where they sleep but also cleaning their surroundings.
When one cadet steps out of line they are exercised as a punishment. If the whole squad/group is acting out or not doing what they are suposed to be doing they get what is refferred to as a Smoke Session. This is when they are drilled with exercises and or marching drills until we feel like they are done.
I know that sounds kind of harsh but the cadets need to learn that they can't get away with these kinds of childish games.
When a child is hurt or sick we do take that into account when it comes time for exercising. Every night it was my responsibility to take sick call and report any findings to their advocates.
We feed them 3 meals a day and they get bathroom breaks before and after they eat. At night they have time for personal hygiene and personal time.
The Bundy's the owners I believe set up the program very well. The problem is not the program but the few Sergeants that don't follow all the rules set by the Bundy's.
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On 2006-01-18 09:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I know people will hate me for this but I agree with the Smoke Sessions and with the amount of exercising the cadets have to do.
Is there something particular you have in mind?"
I have to ask, how intimately are you familar with the "smoke sessions" and how much exercising they do? Do you agree that that 18 hours of exercising a day is appropriate? While some individuals may be able to handle that (not many I presume), not everyone can handle it the same way, especially in the beginning. How can they expect someone who has never exercised in their life to exercise 18 hours a day? Especially an overweight person. Are you familiar with rhabdomyolysis? Do you know that over-exertion (i.e. TOO MUCH exercise) can cause this condition and ultimately kill you if not discovered and treated?
Rhabdomyolysis is the breakdown of muscle fibers with leakage of potentially toxic cellular contents into the systemic circulation. The final common pathway of rhabdomyolysis may be a disturbance in myocyte calcium homeostasis.
(1) Severe exertion such as marathon running or calisthenics
(2) Ischemia or necrosis of the muscles (as may occur with arterial occlusion, deep venous thrombosis, or other conditions)
(3) Seizures
Use or overdose of drugs-especially cocaine, amphetamines, statins, heroin, or PCP
(4) Trauma
(5) Shaking chills
(6) Heat intolerance and/or heatstroke
(7) Alcoholism (with subsequent muscle tremors)
(8)Low phosphate levels
Interesting that Roberto Reyes died of this very disease (and if you don't believe me, I have the autopsy report). Of course, it is presume that this was caused by a "spider bite", however the autopsy report shows no indication on the body of a spider bite...it is mere speculation. The autopsy report DOES show the multiple contusions and bruises he suffered
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What Id like to know is why torture via forced exercise and humiliation during most or not waking hours of the day is somehow a good thing at all? :roll:
You know, if Mama Cass Elliot would have shared that damn sandwich
with Karen Carpenter, they would both still be alive today!!!!!!!
--chongo
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I don't know exactly what happened with Roberto Reyes but while I was at TLC during normal exercising we would exercise them and then let them strecth and give them a big enough break that the only people that were still winded were those that were of a heavier set.
During smoke sessions that I was in charge of I remember exercising them, then having them stop listen to me complain about the situation and then exercising them again. I always tried to give them enough of a break to assure their well being.
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On 2006-01-18 10:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I don't know exactly what happened with Roberto Reyes but while I was at TLC during normal exercising we would exercise them and then let them strecth and give them a big enough break that the only people that were still winded were those that were of a heavier set.
During smoke sessions that I was in charge of I remember exercising them, then having them stop listen to me complain about the situation and then exercising them again. I always tried to give them enough of a break to assure their well being."
Riiight... I asked
What Id like to know is why torture via forced exercise and humiliation during most or not waking hours of the day is somehow a good thing at all?
And you answered... nothing. You just gave a press release about "normal exercising" with stretching, etc (I SERIOUSLY doubt you people stretch right... or for that matter warmup, cool down, or eat right, or avoid overtraining. BTW, I did Muay Thai Kickboxing, wanna talk conditioning? :roll: ) children, or as one of the threats theyre subject to for if they willingly break, or inevitably accidnetally break one of the litany of draconian rules of TLC?
Oh, and dont you fucking DARE say anything about my tone... Id love to have a recording of how that programs ran! Hell, you just might make R Lee Ermey proud! Harmlessly passing your time in the grasslands away;
Only dimly aware of a certain unease in the air.
you better watchout,
there may be dogs about.
I've looked over Jordan, and have seen.
Things are not what they seem.
--Roger Waters 1977
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Is it possible, anon (former TLC employee) that you just didn't know what you were looking at? Most of the time when kids die in these places, the last words they hear are something like "You think you can manipulate your way out of hiking, ya little puke! You're disgusting! You don't even have the decency to puke away from yourself! You smell like you shit your pants! Did you shit yourself, you worthless little punk?!"
In one case I read about, they actually kept toting the kid around, exercising him for at least half an hour after the time of death. Do you understand how group-think works on that level?
And I'm really curious to know how you came into that particular job. I understand Thayer pretty much hires any warm body off the street. But I've also heard that the new guys are watched as closely as the inmates till they show some some solidarity. Did you experience anything like that?
The clergy know that I know that they know that they do not know.
--Robert G. Ingersoll, American politician and lecturer
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No I did not experience anything like that. I came to work for thayer because honestly I wanted to try and make a difference.
I had been working with teens for quite a few years. While in High School there was a progam I was a councelor for that would help teens stay away from drugs and other things. We would teach the teens how to work with each other and how to get a long with each other.
I am not going to continue going back and forth with you guys. I have told you how I did things at thayer. If there were other Drill Sergeants that did things diffently I did not see it or I wasn't there when it happened. When I ran my shift I tried to do the best I could.
I truly do wish that all the employees would go through a tougher hiring process so we could avoid a lot of these problems.
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Is there a reason I STILL dont have a clear answer why mind-numbing forced exercise and humiliation is going to help a kid at all?
How the fuck does it have ANYTHING to do with "staying away from drugs and other things"?
The fact is the fact, the program is evil, and every attempt to make
chicken salad out of chicken shit has resulted in a Chicken shit
sandwich, No pickle on the side could ever change that.
BINGO!
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niles, i believe the sargeant was giving his honest recount, and many of us happen to agree with him. Your statements are often grossly over exacturated. So much so, that most ignore your comments, and you would argue with a brick wall anyway.
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On 2006-01-19 10:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
"niles, i believe the sargeant was giving his honest recount, and many of us happen to agree with him. Your statements are often grossly over exacturated. So much so, that most ignore your comments, and you would argue with a brick wall anyway."
He still never answered my qestion, and neither have you.
NOBODY has explained how forced exericise and humiliation is helpful for 'troubled teens' except simply declaring that it is themselves! It also doesnt matter how I phrase it, the facts are still the facts.
Also, considering the way drill seargants talk to people in bootcamps... what the fuck does how I say anything have anything to do with it when THEY insult and humiliate children while they exercise themselves to exhaustion and then say its good for them?
Oh, and youre right, I am arguing with a brick wall. :roll: There's only one party on Capital Hill and it's the bipartisan spending party.
Tom Schatz, president of Citizens Against Government Waste
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because the cadet is no longer "in charge", and will earn respect. Niles, you go on like your a mutant ninja turtle and all, but you'd most likely fail your first day of any bootcamp, because your mouth would get the best of you, and sir you definitely have a problem with that. As well it did with many of these cadets. Not much different than the military. And before you answer again, these teens are near adulthood, and being accountable for their own actions through choices they make. Your the histerical, over-dramitic one, as clearly shown in each comment you make.
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On 2006-01-19 13:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"because the cadet is no longer "in charge", and will earn respect. Niles, you go on like your a mutant ninja turtle and all, but you'd most likely fail your first day of any bootcamp, because your mouth would get the best of you, and sir you definitely have a problem with that. As well it did with many of these cadets. Not much different than the military. And before you answer again, these teens are near adulthood, and being accountable for their own actions through choices they make. Your the histerical, over-dramitic one, as clearly shown in each comment you make. "
I asked someone to explain why forced exercise and humiliation is useful or helpful or "good" in any way, not to be subjected to an attempt to humiliate me from yours truly.
Also, how is.. forced exercise and humiliation going to hold them accountable for "choices they make"? Why did you have to regurtitate a damn industry catchphrase? :smokin: Education is a better safeguard of liberty than a standing army.
--Edward Everett
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Niles, you go on like your a mutant ninja turtle and all, but you'd most likely fail your first day of any bootcamp, because your mouth would get the best of you, and sir you definitely have a problem with that.
I figured this was worth its own reply.
Basically, what youre saying is "dont question anything, dont talk back, dont assert yourself, do as told by and get with the program", right?
Hey, small fuckin' wonder why people with their own mind and free will strike out on their own instead of trying to serve the hive? And for that matter its no surprise why I raised your hackles!
DAMN, DAMN shame you cant try that shit in person, isnt it? :rofl: The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins; all of them imaginary.
H.L. Mencken, 1923
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I see the same question being asked, but no one with such a distinguished Thayer education seems to be able to come up with the answer, and much less, acknowledge the question.
Wonder why that is? :???: My view is that if there is no evidence for it, then forget about it. An agnostic is somebody who doesn't believe in something until there is evidence for it, so I'm agnostic.
--Carl Sagan, American astronomer and author
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because it's false question. That means that the words in the question are so one-sided it cannot be answered. Niles went from brain-numbing forced excercize, to forced exercize. Neither are true. The cadet can choose to exercize or not. However, this puts pressure on his/her fellow cadets, because they want him/her to give it their best. The peer pressure makes the cadet try, and they soon regognize they can achieve,which gives them the boost they need, in self-pride, to start achieving good things, that before they THOUGHT they couldn't. Because many teens come in thinking they have control over everything, they must now get on the same level as their peers, and earn respect and work hard to advance. That's not brainwashing, abuse, or forced anything. It's goes with life. Most people who damn this place, #1 know nothing about it, #2 are obviously very hostile to life in general themselves, #3 have not respect for others, #4 look negatively at everything, #5 have no real outlook for themselves and very low on their own self-esteem. It's obvious in the what you write and the way you think you have to express yorselves. Niles, I don't personally have anything against him, but is one pessimistic person. His speech is terrible, has no respect, and just really doesn't care about anyone but himself.
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I must agree with the last poster. Such biased questions, demanding of answers, leads one to believe, that there is no way to answer it that would enlighten the inquirer. It seems to be a form of getting the respondand to answer, only to pick and choose words or phrases, that can be taken out of context to scruitinize, in order to get a pre-determined outcome of the inquirer. Therefore, regardless of the response to the question, it would make no difference. Such narrow minded views, and strong minded opinions, without any basis of personal knowledge of your actual complaint of the program, is merely an attempt to lead others to your own particular point of view. If you return to the previous posts, in which the ex-sargeant was describing his past personal experiences, he neither paraded or degraded his tenure while at TLC. He simply have a non-biased account of what happened. And he defended his reasoning and tenure. There was no need for that person to over dramatise any statements, nor challenge any person who debated. That speaks for itself. Watching this forum, I often wonder, from all of the people complaining, what do YOU do, to help troubled teenagers? What is your great contribution, aside from this silly forum. Yes, many of these teens have stepped over the line, and are currently involved in the court system. Somewhere along the way, boundaries were not identified or enforced. Regardless of who's fault. Life has boundaries. From many posts it sounds like many would just say, let them alone and do what they want. However, the parent, judges, and police, have determined that is leading to disaster, and is a good indicator of the parental instinct taht something must be done. The people that have over 100 posts on this forum, taking that big stand, and so strong in your "skipping through the daisy field of life" attitude, I would have to question. Some have anger management issues, from programs that they may/may not should have attended. Some went, but didn't graduate. Some, like Niles knows absolutely nothing about anything.
Opps. He has good grammar most of the time, but logic is completely absent.
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:rofl: :rofl: youre obviously the same anon!
Jeeze, wont you give it up? It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat
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(niles)...will you give up?
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Not until I get a clear answer as to why humiliaton and forced exercise (with the apparent goal of exhausting the mind as much as the body) is good for kids or useful in any way when dealing with "troubled teens", instead of people trying to change the subject or obfuscate by calling humiliation "peer pressure so he gives it his best" and tell lies such as the "cadet has a choice to participate" :roll:
The newspeak is getting old and so are the excuses. This isn't some feel good "GIVE IT YOUR BEST!" recreational sports event, its exhaustion, various punishments and humiliation and some asshole in a uniform and a hat pulled down too low spewing obscenities and saliva in your face, if not physically beating you or "restraining" you.
I also guess that "group consequences" does not result in "cadet" on "cadet" violence, either, right?
If this was about some kid being motivated to try and to eventually succeed.... uh... why not just play sports or make something? Why have the whole sensitivity training schtick and bootcamp bullshit?To go to Journal of Applied Polymer Science go to http://www3.interscience.wiley.com (http://www3.interscience.wiley.com) and then journal search and put the journal number and year
-- Journal of Applied Polymer Science Vol. 47, 1984
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On 2006-01-20 15:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
"because it's false question. That means that the words in the question are so one-sided it cannot be answered. Niles went from brain-numbing forced excercize, to forced exercize. Neither are true. The cadet can choose to exercize or not. However, this puts pressure on his/her fellow cadets, because they want him/her to give it their best. The peer pressure makes the cadet try, and they soon regognize they can achieve,which gives them the boost they need, in self-pride, to start achieving good things, that before they THOUGHT they couldn't. Because many teens come in thinking they have control over everything, they must now get on the same level as their peers, and earn respect and work hard to advance. That's not brainwashing, abuse, or forced anything. It's goes with life. Most people who damn this place, #1 know nothing about it, #2 are obviously very hostile to life in general themselves, #3 have not respect for others, #4 look negatively at everything, #5 have no real outlook for themselves and very low on their own self-esteem.
Do either of you "anons" have a psychology or a related degree? You may know PROGRAMS, but so little beyond that, you're making me giggle before I've had the first cup of coffee.
Because I do have a psychology degree, and I can tell you right now, mass punishment for the sake of one makes the team try not to get punished, which is the basis for broad-scope brainwashing. If you knew anything about "Behavior Modification" and it's applications, you couldn't spew such shit about "respect" "self-pride" and "achievement" - all Program Buzzwords.
It's obvious in the what you write and the way you think you have to express yorselves. Niles, I don't personally have anything against him, but is one pessimistic person. His speech is terrible, has no respect, and just really doesn't care about anyone but himself. "
Good thing I'm not drinking coffee - I'd be snotting it outta my nose!
Everybody's lost just waiting to be found. Everyone's a thought just waiting to fade.
-- Billy Corgan of The Smashing Pumpkins
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try checking out a website called http://www.difficult.net (http://www.difficult.net)
I bought the book and it is very interesting reading, and has some very non-traditional ways to getting through the "out of control teen", just as the book describes. Unfortuntely, teens that have become out of control, in reality, are that way because parents allowed them to be. Once the teen gets to this level, traditional methods no longer work. The most important thing in trying to keep your teen on the right path is to let them know there is a consequence (whether good or bad) for every action. You have to put in place the consequences that work for your teen, and not every same consequence will work the same for every teen. Simply abusing a teen mentally, forced exercise, and denial of simple privileges such as food and bathroom is not the way to correct one's misbehavior. Even in the real world, parents have an OBLIGATION to provide adequate food and shelter for their child, without subjecting them to harm.
PLEASE do not consider sending your child to a boot camp, TLC or otherwise. With time and commitment, you CAN correct the misbehaviors of your teen. But, you have to be willing to stay the course. The behaviors were not learned over night, nor will they be corrected over night. Once you have made the decision to correct the misbehaviors, you have to stay the course and don't back down, no matter how hard it gets emotionally. Believe it or not, if you follow recommendations such as they outline in the book, things WILL get better. Mind you, they will probably get worse before they get better, because you have taken the control away from your teenager, and are regaining control of your household. No one likes to give up control, but a teenager does not need to be in control of the household, they don't know how to be, even though they think they do. They just need to be kids, and let us parents be in control of the household. Once you have managed to regain control, your teen will not be spending so much of their time and energy trying to keep that control, and will be free to live their life as a normal teenager should, and will find they, as well as you, are MUCH happier! I will be happy to discuss with anyone some of the methods we have used.
After I removed my son from TLC, I made many excuses and allowances for him because I felt guilty of what I let him endure while at TLC. Eventually that guilt took over our household. My son was not a violent child, drug user, gang member, or ever even in trouble with the law when I sent him to TLC. I have seen the error of my ways by (1) sending him to TLC; and (2) feeling guilty over it. After putting those feelings aside, and dealing with issues that have come up since his release (using methods as outlined in the book), the transformation has been amazing!
I would be more than happy to discuss this with any parent that would like more information, or to simply find out how it worked for us.
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On 2006-01-20 16:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I must agree with the last poster. Such biased questions, demanding of answers, leads one to believe, that there is no way to answer it that would enlighten the inquirer. It seems to be a form of getting the respondand to answer, only to pick and choose words or phrases, that can be taken out of context to scruitinize, in order to get a pre-determined outcome of the inquirer. Therefore, regardless of the response to the question, it would make no difference. Such narrow minded views, and strong minded opinions, without any basis of personal knowledge of your actual complaint of the program, is merely an attempt to lead others to your own particular point of view. If you return to the previous posts, in which the ex-sargeant was describing his past personal experiences, he neither paraded or degraded his tenure while at TLC. He simply have a non-biased account of what happened. And he defended his reasoning and tenure. There was no need for that person to over dramatise any statements, nor challenge any person who debated. That speaks for itself. Watching this forum, I often wonder, from all of the people complaining, what do YOU do, to help troubled teenagers? What is your great contribution, aside from this silly forum. Yes, many of these teens have stepped over the line, and are currently involved in the court system. Somewhere along the way, boundaries were not identified or enforced. Regardless of who's fault. Life has boundaries. From many posts it sounds like many would just say, let them alone and do what they want. However, the parent, judges, and police, have determined that is leading to disaster, and is a good indicator of the parental instinct taht something must be done. The people that have over 100 posts on this forum, taking that big stand, and so strong in your "skipping through the daisy field of life" attitude, I would have to question. Some have anger management issues, from programs that they may/may not should have attended. Some went, but didn't graduate. Some, like Niles knows absolutely nothing about anything.
Opps. He has good grammar most of the time, but logic is completely absent. "
Thayer officials acknowledge using tactics the state would not allow at a licensed child residential program. They include:
Placing youths in isolation for days at a time. State licensed facilities can rarely isolate a child for more than 12 hours.
Strict controls on communication, with staff members screening incoming and outgoing mail and often requiring students to rewrite letters in which they complain about the program.
Denying academic instruction to teens who have not graduated from the boot camp program, which often takes more than three months to complete. Banks said Thayer teaches that school is a privilege.
Entrusting some youths to have authority over others once they have progressed in the program.
On Tuesday a teenage girl stood with her face to a gymnasium wall. A strap belted around her waist was held at the other end by another student. Banks said the punishment had lasted for three days and was preferable to the girl becoming a harm to herself or others.
-- St. Louis Dispatch, October 2004
This article concerns me. It leads me to believe that there is a good possibility that teenagers are being treated in an unacceptably harsh manner at TLC. Please allay my fears.
Enlighten me, oh logical one. How exactly does spending three days facing a wall prevent a girl from becoming a harm to herself or others? It is TLC's claim that it does. Personally, I just think it is a mean and sadistic thing to do to a girl. Explain to me why I am wrong. I am all ears. You have the floor.
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SIX DAYS and no rebuttal :rofl: :lol:
You damn TLC programmies are pathetic. The shit you do to kids... and then on the flipside you cant even take a *FRACITON* of what they go through, even if its only via text on a forum without the cosersion, physical stress, threat of violence or forced exerise and humiliation.
Buncha PUSSIES if I've ever seen any.Nothing of value to the individual happens by coercion.
--Plato
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They all ran like cockroaches for the shadows when the kitchen light is turned on.
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On 2006-01-30 19:49:00, AtomicAnt wrote:
"They all ran like cockroaches for the shadows when the kitchen light is turned on."
Oh no.. the LIGHT! Not the LIGHT!!!!!!Don't worry about temptation--as you grow older, it starts avoiding you.
-- Old Farmer's Almanac
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cute name! :rofl:
On 2006-01-30 19:50:00, Helena Handbasket wrote:
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On 2006-01-30 19:49:00, AtomicAnt wrote:
"They all ran like cockroaches for the shadows when the kitchen light is turned on."
Oh no.. the LIGHT! Not the LIGHT!!!!!!Don't worry about temptation--as you grow older, it starts avoiding you.
-- Old Farmer's Almanac
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On 2006-02-06 11:17:00, tlcrescue wrote:
"cute name! :rofl:
Well ya know - Anon and Anonymous are so overused.That it is wrong for a man to say he is certain of the objective truth of a proposition unless he can provide evidence which logically justifies that certainty. This is what agnosticism asserts and in my opinion, is all that is essential to agnosticism.
--Thomas Henry Huxley, English biologist
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I have a child at Thayer and I am very concerned about his safety. I do know that when talking to another child you lose all respect when you lower yourself to their level by talking like you do. I can't believe you want to push your agenda and talk to a child like you have. I have a feeling your from Thayer and don't have a child there at all. Thayer thinks they are so smart but they are about to go down.
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On 2006-02-07 07:09:00, Concerned Parent wrote:
"I have a child at Thayer and I am very concerned about his safety. I do know that when talking to another child you lose all respect when you lower yourself to their level by talking like you do. I can't believe you want to push your agenda and talk to a child like you have. I have a feeling your from Thayer and don't have a child there at all. Thayer thinks they are so smart but they are about to go down."
What are you talking about?
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On 2006-02-07 07:09:00, Concerned Parent wrote:
"I have a child at Thayer and I am very concerned about his safety. I do know that when talking to another child you lose all respect when you lower yourself to their level by talking like you do. I can't believe you want to push your agenda and talk to a child like you have. I have a feeling your from Thayer and don't have a child there at all. Thayer thinks they are so smart but they are about to go down."
sorry, but I have to ask. If you truly are "concerned" why are you allowing your child to stay there? If I was the least bit concerned about my child's safety, I wouldn't allow him to stay there and, in fact, I didn't. When I became concerned for my son's safety, I made the decision to drive up and pull him out.
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omg holy fuck im ex sr resident sandison and all i know from my experience from that bootcamp is this i went in weighing 220 and came out 155 and that was through 2 staff infections due to inadequate health services and multiple counts of heat stroke and along with many take downs for not even being able to eat a food called "wheat" due to an allergic reaction.
tlc is a lie period the only thing it does for you is get you in shape and make you think it doesnt change you its something every kid will eventually find out and think about as they mature its not worth the seperation and the hurt on your childs relationship with you i know im there right now...
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sandison wat the fuck is up its snodgrass. my email is [email protected]
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On 2006-01-30 08:38:00, Nihilanthic wrote:
"SIX DAYS and no rebuttal :rofl: :lol:
You damn TLC programmies are pathetic. The shit you do to kids... and then on the flipside you cant even take a *FRACITON* of what they go through, even if its only via text on a forum without the cosersion, physical stress, threat of violence or forced exerise and humiliation.
Buncha PUSSIES if I've ever seen any.Nothing of value to the individual happens by coercion.
--Plato
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got that right...willa is the biggest one though! she had to take a gun to try to control some kids during that riot.
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Look i don't know about everyone here but i can tell my story, i was sent to TLC!!! that is the truth. Lnow one ever tells about what they didi to get there so i will tell what i did. i have to say before i went there i was irresponsible and me and my mom fought alot but i know i wasn't a bad kid, my sisiter on the other hand was crazy she didi all kinds of drugs and she "said" she didn't care what people thought. My dad was abusive and she was the oldest child she saved me countless numbers of times and was the only one my dad didn't hurt regularly she also got her share though. I got the brunt of his wrath becouse it seemed like i could do nothing right. My mother never did anything and this resulted in my anger toward her. i am not making excuses for my actions becouse I know people who have gotten through that. Well as i said she saved me and all the above resulted in a hard shell that only i could penetrare on certain occasions. My mom tried to get me and my sister to stop hanging with each other but htat only made us closer. We did defy Authority and she did do drugs and such but i didn't. i hardly even fought with my mom becouse i was never with her. Well my mom sent my sister and never even told men until i came home that day her room was empty and all my things were locked in a green trunk in her bedroom i threw a fit. I tried to get my stuff out and was screaming at her that i was going to get my sister back. She called the poloce and sent me to A.T. I was only supposed to be there for like and hour becouse i didn't really do anything. but i ended up staying for three days finally TLC came to pick me up. I had a billion sargeants that day becouse they all wanted to see me becouse of my sister i think.The more Sargeants you have the worse it is becouse they egg each other on. i passed out twice on my intake and all they didi was while i was falling throw me two the ground and twist my arm behind my back until i stood up agian. they never believed me. Any way Boot camp wasn't so bad FOR ME. Becouse i was an idiot and got brain washed. I realised how bad it was at first and then you get cought up on it. you start to think it's funny to watch a girl eat their puck and you love to tell on people. I started to write letters to my mom not to ever take me out becouse i was changing. I was changing but not for the better. I was becoming hard and cold and down right mean. I fianlly got to residency and it was like cold water being thrown in your face. They bring you down after you work so hard to get up there. They call you names all the time and they talk about other cadets infront of you. they don't care at all and you finally relize what a joke everything is. you can talk to your parents once a week but you have a family rep and you will get fines if you say anything bad about thayer. Even on Visits you can't really say anything becouse your family rep is ther and .Some of the girls there cry at night but they don't tell their parents anything becouse they are so close to graduating. There isnothing good about that place and there is so much i am sure i am leaving out. I am still scared writing this becouse if they find out who i am they can sue.
i am not a good kid now. In the back of my mind i know i am wrong but now i don't care becouse i was sent there even though i did nothing wrong. so know i guess i am trying almost everything i was sent ther for.
A former Cadet
I dont know if whoever wrote that is still here. But id like to tell you how well writen and courageously honest your post was. Alot of kids who get "brainwashed" never come out of it. And certainly dont see that THEY ever hurt another. Realize that its not your fault. That you were corrupted into doing what you did. You had no choice. WHat happened was the physiological destruction of your personality- a technique developed by cults and ,more apropo, the re-education centers of totalitarian govts. You are like Elizebeth Smart, or Patty Hearst except thsoe girls had they escaped had the whole world to intervene on their behalf, where for you your only option was to accept that lies of your captors or perish- in Roberts's case literally.
I recomend you join this lawsuit. Your story will work to your benefit and your will recieve justice for yourself and the other kids of Thayler no longer with us
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hey humphries were you there when hayes and hodges cosares were there
Are you still on here? I worked there when all those guys were there. I remember you. E-mail me at [email protected]