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Title: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
Post by: RMA Survivor on November 04, 2009, 11:39:20 PM
Oregon shut it down!

http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/inde ... om_sc.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2009/11/state_suspends_license_from_sc.html)

One down, many to go.
Title: State suspends license from central Oregon school...
Post by: Ursus on November 05, 2009, 10:16:30 AM
That article copied out for posterity's sake:

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State suspends license from central Oregon school for troubled teens (http://http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2009/11/state_suspends_license_from_sc.html)
By Michelle Cole, The Oregonian
November 03, 2009, 10:30PM


State officials have told parents to remove their children from a central Oregon boarding school after investigators found students were subject to inappropriate sexual role-play, public humiliation and physical deprivation.

Following a seven-month investigation, the Oregon Department of Human Services has temporarily suspended Mount Bachelor Academy (http://http://www.mtba.com/)'s license. Investigators found nine substantiated allegations of child abuse and neglect as well as numerous licensing violations.

Their conclusion: "There are conditions present that pose a serious danger to child safety."

The private school caters to troubled teens 14 to 17 1/2 years old. It has operated near Prineville for more than 20 years, drawing students from all over the world. Tuition runs $6,400 a month, and students typically stay 14 to 16 months.

State officials released a summary of the investigation Tuesday in response to a public records request from The Oregonian, but they refused to respond to questions about the school.

The summary chronicles incidents dating from 2007 to this year. They involved five students and often centered on the "emotional growth" workshops required of every student. The report says what those five students experienced was "substantially consistent" with the experiences of all teens in the program.

State investigators found students were required to engage in sexualized role-play and other humiliating activities, such as re-enacting past abuse, in front of staff and peers. Students were deprived of sleep or use of the bathroom.

According to investigators, discipline at the school included so-called "bans" requiring students to go a week or longer without being allowed to talk, touch or look at others.

Sharon Bitz, Mount Bachelor's executive director, did not return phone calls from The Oregonian on Tuesday. Interviewed in April, soon after the investigation started, Bitz called the allegations groundless and said the school has helped more than 2,000 students since it opened in 1988.

It's not clear how many students were at the school this week. It is licensed for up to 125 students. State records show 88 students and 77 staff were there in March.

Several former students say the state's findings mirror their experiences.

At the same time, other former students and parents say Mount Bachelor helped change young lives.

Jim Bianchin's son attended the school from 2005 to 2007.

"They helped open his eyes to a lot of destructive behaviors that he had," Bianchin of Redding, Calif., said Tuesday. "At no time did we observe or hear of any inappropriate behavior or policies."

The state has given Mount Bachelor 90 days to correct a list of violations or see its license permanently revoked.

In the meantime, parents with children at the school are scrambling.

"I'm in shock," said Nancy Bishop, who has a 14-year-old daughter at Mount Bachelor.

Bishop lives in Southern California and said she received the call from Oregon officials at 6 p.m. Monday telling her she had to make arrangements to get her daughter. Bishop didn't know about the ongoing investigation.

Before catching a plane early Tuesday, Bishop asked whether the state would make counselors or others available to help parents and students. The answer was no.

"I feel like they pulled the rug out from us," she said. "The last thing these kids need is to be yanked around."

--Michelle Cole


© 2009 Oregon Live LLC.
Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
Post by: Ursus on November 05, 2009, 10:29:04 AM
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Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
Post by: Troll Control on November 05, 2009, 10:57:13 AM
Amazing.  This poster, "JF," is advocating allowing the continued abuse of these kids becaue the alternative might be worse?  This is ridiculous.  We already know for a fact that the kids ARE being abused and neglected and "JF" wants that to continue.  

These program parents are some really sick fuckers.  "Well, sure, yeah, I know my daughter was re-enacting her rape by performing simulated oral sex on a staffer and giving him lapdances while he screamed at her that she was a whore and a slut, but if they force me to take her out of that abuse, it might disrupt my work or homelife.  I'd prefer she continue to be abused until it's convenient for me to do something about it later."

"JF":  FUCK YOU.  YOU ARE A SCUMBAG.
Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
Post by: wild thing on November 05, 2009, 02:20:01 PM
"The action that the DHS took is extremely disruptive to the lives of the students and the teachers at this school. The question that needs to be asked is why they could not have taken a less severe disciplinary action?

You look at some of the things that they call out, like not letting students go to the bathroom... now don't you think that most high school football coaches can be just as "abusive" to their players?

The reenacting of past abuse... could that also be construed as part of the therapeutic process?

The sexualized role play... whatever exactly that is. But even it were bad, might this have just been limited to one teacher, might a particular student have lent an less than objective point of view?

Somebody is on a witch hunt here. This business of rehabilitating these problem students is not cut and dry, latitude is required, let's get real here. Now maybe the school crossed the line... and if so, I say a handslap is what is required, not a school closure."

Oh come on!!!!the "teachers" at this school?  How many had actual teaching credentials?  Further, I do not know about Oregon, but in California it is illegal to not allow a student to use the bathroom.  It is also illegal, per the Ed. Code to use a physical punishment or anything else that might humiliate a student. It's illegal because of the damage it does to the child! How perverse and for what benefit would it be for a group of non-licensed adults to encourage a former rape victim to act in a sexual manner as part of pyschodrama?  Maybe the parents of "problem" students might want to try parenting and local assistance rather than shipping the kids off.... I deal with "problem" students all day...I work in public school as a special education teacher.    I allow my students to use the restroom when they ask.  I also worked in one of these so called "therapeutic" schools and bottom line, it was all about the almighty dollar, power and control, and in the end, nothing more. I am sure there are so decent programs out there somewhere, but these corporate run, mismanaged, poorly staff facilities are not among them.
A handslap for 11 counts of child abuse!  Would you feel the same way if someone abused your child, or yourself to the the tune of 11 counts and their hands were slapped?
Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
Post by: Troll Control on November 05, 2009, 02:44:39 PM
Yes, there were many counts of abuse cited, but the key takeaway here is that the authorities said outright that these incidents are a representative sample and that these same abuses happened to EVERY CHILD AT MBA.  The entire pop sheet was systematically abused and neglected.  ALL of them according to DHS.
Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
Post by: joethebadass on November 05, 2009, 10:16:29 PM
I can personally attest to having seen them make a girl dress up in a french maid costume and give lap dances to guys. Sharon Bitz denied that it ever happened, which makes her not only a child abuser but a liar as well.
Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
Post by: Anonymous on November 06, 2009, 01:36:56 PM
Do you have any video of that? I need a good fap.
Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
Post by: Anonymous on November 06, 2009, 03:17:16 PM
Is Sharon Bitz married to Alex Bitz of the former CEDU Running Springs?  he used to be married to Julie, who was a sweetheart but got annihilated by Alex and the power staff for basically being "too sweet" and not fully on board. It was awful. I will never forget a rap where Julie was decimated by one of the bullies in the school with the cheers of a power staff.  Alex treated her like a lesser being the more he was brainwashed.
Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
Post by: wild thing on November 06, 2009, 03:40:24 PM
It was before my time, but I believe they both came from CEDU, Running Springs.  I am absolutely thrilled that another one of these abusive, money for pain profiteers has bitten the dust.  I hope this is a trend.
Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
Post by: Whooter on November 06, 2009, 03:52:19 PM
Closing the programs isnt going to effect anything in my opinion.  There will still be the same number of at-risk youth with parents standing in line money in hand.  Do you think they will be turned away?  The other programs will need to absorb the kids and add more beds.
Its like taking a drug dealer off the street.  It doesnt reduce the amount of drugs or the number of people needing drugs.  It has zero impact because someone else is always willing to step up.  The only thing we can hope for is the new programs which pop up are less abusive and/or they figure out how to regulate them.
Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
Post by: Troll Control on November 06, 2009, 04:24:02 PM
"Hope for less abuse"?  Are you fucking CRAZY?  ANY facility abusing children, like all Aspen facilities, should be shut down REGARDLESS of DEMAND.  That's NUTS, Whooter!
Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
Post by: Whooter on November 06, 2009, 04:40:23 PM
Quote from: "Guest"
"Hope for less abuse"?  Are you fucking CRAZY?  ANY facility abusing children, like all Aspen facilities, should be shut down REGARDLESS of DEMAND.  That's NUTS, Whooter!
Less abuse from an industry perspective.  If a particular staff member is abusive then he/she should be fired.  If the specific program is abusive then it should be shut down.  The entire industry cannot be free from abuse the same as our public school system cannot free itself from being abusive.  The best we can hope for is to reduce the instance of abuse and to keep working to reduce it further each year thru education, transparency and awareness.
Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
Post by: Troll Control on November 06, 2009, 05:23:48 PM
We agree.  Since Aspen's program has been identified as child abuse and they run the same program at all of their facilities, all Aspen facilities should be shut down to make room for legitimate people and businesses to help the kids.

Aspen has been legally revealed as a fraud by the state of Oregon and also by its own admission in court that nothing it does is treatment or therapy.  Just shut them all down and get it done quickly so no more kids are raped, killed or abused at Aspen facilities.  You can't split the baby here.  Aspen as a whole needs to be shut down.
Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
Post by: Whooter on November 06, 2009, 06:43:46 PM
Quote from: "Guest"
We agree.  Since Aspen's program has been identified as child abuse and they run the same program at all of their facilities, all Aspen facilities should be shut down to make room for legitimate people and businesses to help the kids.

Aspen has been legally revealed as a fraud by the state of Oregon and also by its own admission in court that nothing it does is treatment or therapy.  Just shut them all down and get it done quickly so no more kids are raped, killed or abused at Aspen facilities.  You can't split the baby here.  Aspen as a whole needs to be shut down.

I read back through the posts and didnt see where it was established that the same program is run at all of Aspens facilities.  How do you know this? The state of Oregon did not make this statement.  If you can establish this then I would agree with you.
Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
Post by: Troll Control on November 06, 2009, 07:16:25 PM
All Aspen programs run "LifeSteps" workshops as the core of their program.  LifeSteps was deemed by Oregon DHS to be child abuse.  Therefore all Aspen programs, which use LifeSteps universally, are abusing children.  Time to shut them down.  It's not even like we're rolling the dice with our kids anymore, we all know they already came up snake eyes, so let's do the right thing and shut down Aspen's proven abusive facilities.

One example you should be familiar with is ASR.  ASR uses LifeSteps.  LifeSteps has been proven to be nothing more than organized child abuse.  ASR should be immediately shut down.  The logic is flawless, so no sense in trying to nibble at the margins.
Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
Post by: Whooter on November 06, 2009, 07:19:42 PM
Quote from: "Guest"
Quote from: "Guest"
We agree.  Since Aspen's program has been identified as child abuse and they run the same program at all of their facilities, all Aspen facilities should be shut down to make room for legitimate people and businesses to help the kids.

Aspen has been legally revealed as a fraud by the state of Oregon and also by its own admission in court that nothing it does is treatment or therapy.  Just shut them all down and get it done quickly so no more kids are raped, killed or abused at Aspen facilities.  You can't split the baby here.  Aspen as a whole needs to be shut down.

I read back through the posts and didnt see where it was established that the same program is run at all of Aspens facilities.  How do you know this? The state of Oregon did not make this statement.  If you can establish this then I would agree with you.

The poster is mistaken.  The spotlight is on Mount Bachelor only.  This doesnt affect any of the other programs and Oregon cannot affect the programs in other states anyway.  Mount Bachelor was one of the last programs to retain "Life steps".  It will be interesting to see how Aspen positions themselves on this in regard to the other programs and how they market the various models.
Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
Post by: wild thing on November 06, 2009, 07:46:40 PM
The spotlight is on ALL abusive programs.  As previously stated, counsel for Aspen admitted in court that the programs they offer are not truly therapeutic...you don't think word of this will spread through out the industry.  And don't forget the death at Sagewalk...the spotlight is on this crappy industry that makes big bucks as the bloodsuckers of childrens' pain!
Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
Post by: Troll Control on November 06, 2009, 07:51:10 PM
The above post from Whooter (2 up) is untrue.  Aspen programs use LifeSteps currently.  Soon they are having a conference to discuss their ongoing use of LifeSteps, as has been reported.  Aspen tried to rename LifeSteps to "Transitions" but did not change the content, only the name.  Oregon officials warned Aspen they could not perform LifeSteps or Transitions or they would be investigated anew.  They flouted the law, disregrded the warning (as Whooter suggested they should) and now have been shut down.  Now other states should step up and investigate all Aspen programs because they all use the same abusive workshops.

I think somebody might just be a tad bit upset that the whole world now knows his daughter was also abused and maybe forced to perform simulated sex acts or God-only-knows-what (these sick creeps at Aspen have vivid imaginations and no education - a volatile mix) and sexually humiliated in her LifeSteps at ASR and now wants to try to clean up the fact that he allowed his child to be abused by Aspen's tactics that they employ in all of their programs accross the board.

His little world is crumbling around him and he's upset by it.  Otherwise he wouldn't be defending child abusers.  It's perverse to suggest anything other than full investigations of wherever Aspen does business.
Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
Post by: Whooter on November 06, 2009, 07:57:28 PM
Quote from: "wild thing"
The spotlight is on ALL abusive programs.  As previously stated, counsel for Aspen admitted in court that the programs they offer are not truly therapeutic...you don't think word of this will spread through out the industry.  And don't forget the death at Sagewalk...the spotlight is on this crappy industry that makes big bucks as the bloodsuckers of childrens' pain!

I havent seen other programs brought into it yet and I have read several of the provided links.  It would be great if they expanded it but so far Mount Bachelor is the only focus for the Oregon authorities.   If a program says they dont use therapy it doesnt mean they are abusive or ineffective.  There are many families which opt out of individual therapy and just have their child benefit from the structure the program supplies.  As a society I think we reach for therapy a little too much to solve our problems.
Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
Post by: Troll Control on November 06, 2009, 08:09:04 PM
Quote from: "Guest"
All Aspen programs run "LifeSteps" workshops as the core of their program.  LifeSteps was deemed by Oregon DHS to be child abuse.  Therefore all Aspen programs, which use LifeSteps universally, are abusing children.  Time to shut them down.  It's not even like we're rolling the dice with our kids anymore, we all know they already came up snake eyes, so let's do the right thing and shut down Aspen's proven abusive facilities.

One example you should be familiar with is ASR.  ASR uses LifeSteps.  LifeSteps has been proven to be nothing more than organized child abuse.  ASR should be immediately shut down.  The logic is flawless, so no sense in trying to nibble at the margins.

It doesn't matter what state they happen to be operating in, it only matters that all of their facilities use the same program which has been deemed to be child abuse in Oregon, and I would wager any state in our union.  Let's face the facts.  It's time to close these places.
Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
Post by: Whooter on November 06, 2009, 08:18:35 PM
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It doesn't matter what state they happen to be operating in...
Actually it does matter.  Oregon cannot affect any programs outside their state.  What needs to happen is for Oregon to contact the other states and persuade them to investigate locally or they need to fight this on a federal level.  But right now this isnt happening, Mount Bachelor is the immediate focus.  If and when other states start to follow suit it will be interesting to follow.  But it just isnt happening now.
Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
Post by: Anonymous on November 07, 2009, 12:54:46 AM
All Aspen programs use lifesteps?! Can someone give a source for this? Also they said in court that nothing about their programs is actually therapeutic? Can someone say when? Like what case or hearing, or an article that references this...? Thanks!
Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
Post by: Troll Control on November 07, 2009, 07:38:20 AM
Quote from: "guest guest"
All Aspen programs use lifesteps?! Can someone give a source for this? Also they said in court that nothing about their programs is actually therapeutic? Can someone say when? Like what case or hearing, or an article that references this...? Thanks!

Try the "search" feature, guest.  Both items are well-documented here and elsewhere.
Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
Post by: Troll Control on November 07, 2009, 07:50:54 AM
Quote from: "Guest"
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It doesn't matter what state they happen to be operating in...
Actually it does matter.  Oregon cannot affect any programs outside their state.  What needs to happen is for Oregon to contact the other states and persuade them to investigate locally or they need to fight this on a federal level.  But right now this isnt happening, Mount Bachelor is the immediate focus.  If and when other states start to follow suit it will be interesting to follow.  But it just isnt happening now.

Where there's smoke, there's fire.  I bet you wish it isn't happeneng, but it only shows how little you know about what's going on with this industry.  Many of us individually and several advocacy groups are already making other states' agencies aware of the findings, and, personally, I got a vey positive response from from the watchdogs in MA who verbally confirmed to me they have all the same suspicions about ASR and will be making a move soon.  So you can sit there and say it isn't happening, but you're wrong.

Whooter is simply an Aspen quisling.  If you read his posts over the years, he has the same pattern.  First he denies any allegations are true, then he claims the problems will just be fixed, then he claims they're limited to a single facility.  He's wrong on all counts and anyone who has watched these programs operate knows their patterns.  Aspen is in big, big trouble.  If you think they aren't, you've no understanding of the scope of the mobilization against them.

Too bad for you that you have said Fornits is meaningless and we're just a bunch of whiners with no teeth. Well, your masters have been bitten and bloodied in Oregon and it isn't going to stop there, I assure you.  The pain is coming.  I can see a scenario in which CRC just pulls the plug on at least half these kiddie jails because they know the fight will be lost.  Then the rest will come under withering assault.  What you fail to recognize is that we will never stop, never rest, until all kids are treated humanely and in accordance with the law and by accepted modalities.  Why?  Because we really do care about children.  You do not.  You protect the abusers.
Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
Post by: Whooter on November 07, 2009, 08:16:50 AM
Quote from: "guest guest"
All Aspen programs use lifesteps?! Can someone give a source for this? Also they said in court that nothing about their programs is actually therapeutic? Can someone say when? Like what case or hearing, or an article that references this...? Thanks!

 There is no documented evidence.  Everyone is just excited.  Mount Bachelor is one of the last programs to use "life steps" and the therapeutic comment refers to a lawsuit where the parents opted not to have their child see a therapist and therefore wasnt receiving therapy.  Parents need to pay the therapist separately if they choose.
Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
Post by: Whooter on November 07, 2009, 08:44:25 AM
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Many of us individually and several advocacy groups are already making other states' agencies aware of the findings, and, personally, I got a vey positive response from from the watchdogs in MA who verbally confirmed to me they have all the same suspicions about ASR and will be making a move soon. So you can sit there and say it isn't happening, but you're wrong.
You seem to have no comprehension in reading posts here.  I believe I said If a staff member is abusing a child they should go to jail, if a program is abusing children then they should be shut down, but it doesn’t mean the entire industry is bad.

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Whooter is simply an Aspen quisling. If you read his posts over the years, he has the same pattern. First he denies any allegations are true, then he claims the problems will just be fixed, then he claims they're limited to a single facility. He's wrong on all counts and anyone who has watched these programs operate knows their patterns. Aspen is in big, big trouble. If you think they aren't, you've no understanding of the scope of the mobilization against them.
If you are sure of this pattern then why not lay Mount Bachelor out as an example to support what you say then?  If you know anything about the law and powers within the states (as you claim to)  you would know that Oregon cannot shut down a program within the state boundaries of Massachusetts or any other state.  They only have control within Oregon.  


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Too bad for you that you have said Fornits is meaningless and we're just a bunch of whiners with no teeth.
[citation]?  Your batting zero, haven’t supported any of your argument yet.

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Well, your masters have been bitten and bloodied in Oregon and it isn't going to stop there, I assure you. The pain is coming. I can see a scenario in which CRC just pulls the plug on at least half these kiddie jails because they know the fight will be lost.
If half the programs are abusing children then they should be shut down.


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Then the rest will come under withering assault. What you fail to recognize is that we will never stop, never rest, until all kids are treated humanely and in accordance with the law and by accepted modalities. Why? Because we really do care about children. You do not. You protect the abusers.

Actually I am the one who cares about the kids (you just think you do).  I recognize both sides of the industry (good and bad) Have you ever read a post, from a survivor or regular, about someone being happy for a child who does well and moves on with their life?  Not likely here.  How many express happiness for Nigels family?  The majority of you are only interested in shutting down the industry.  There are 500 plus programs.. lets say 100 graduate per year thats 50,000 graduates per year and how many dont do well?  Hand full, maybe?  How many are here on fornits who have been abused in the past couple of years? See what I mean?  Is there abuse within the industry?  Of course, there is abuse within every industry.  The key is to dig them out, expose them and stop them.  But we dont want to deny children the help they need (like you do) in the process of shutting down the abuse.
The difference between us, all along, is I deal with facts...most of your above post you cannot support...
Title: programs which use Lifesteps
Post by: Ursus on November 07, 2009, 11:00:07 AM
Quote from: "guest guest"
All Aspen programs use lifesteps?! Can someone give a source for this?
Technically, no. Not all Aspen programs use Lifesteps per se. For what it's worth, here's a list of industry-wide programs from 'bout a decade ago which were using it then, along with two which were considering it at the time (original post (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29113&p=350266#p350266)):

Cascade School, Whitmore, CA
Mount Bachelor Academy, Prineville, OR
Academy at Swift River, Cummington, MA
Hidden Lake Academy, Dahlonega, GA
Crater Lake School, Sprague River, OR
CEDU Schools, CA and ID
Spring Ridge Academy, Spring Valley, AZ
Cross Creek Manor, LaVerkin, UT
Paradise Cove, Apia, W. Samoa
Tranquility Bay, Mandeville, Jamaica
Spring Creek Lodge, Thompson Falls, MT
Copper Canyon Academy, Camp Verde, AZ[/list]
For over 18:
Northstar, Bend, OR
Benchmark, Redding, CA[/list]
Considering it:
Aspen Ranch, Loa, Utah
Montana Academy, Marion, Montana[/list][/list][/color]

Nevertheless... if you read the Complaint and Order to Correct (http://http://cafety.org/images/stories/documents/MBA/mba_complaint%20%20order%20to%20correct_2009.pdf) from Oregon's DHS regarding Mount Bachelor Academy, it's amazing how most all of those complaints could have been made for any of the programs featured on fornits,* not just those run by Aspen or which utilize Lifesteps. I, for one, was struck by the number of apparently illegal or inappropriate events that go on at Hyde School to this day, and which have been occurring there, for decades. The term "emotional growth curriculum" was in use at Hyde as far back as the early 1970s.



* Not that I personally find this the least bit surprising. It's just that ... to read said complaints and infractions spelled out in government-speak is, to say the least, a rare but welcome affirmation, for lack of a better term!  :D
Title: Aspen doesn't pretend to actually provide "therapy"
Post by: Ursus on November 07, 2009, 11:02:56 AM
Quote from: "guest guest"
Also they said in court that nothing about their programs is actually therapeutic? Can someone say when? Like what case or hearing, or an article that references this...? Thanks!
That issue came up recently in the case of Pence v. Aspen Education Group, Inc. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=28756), regarding Aspen's NorthStar program.
Title: Re: Aspen doesn't pretend to actually provide "therapy"
Post by: Whooter on November 07, 2009, 11:26:04 AM
Quote from: "Ursus"
Quote from: "guest guest"
Also they said in court that nothing about their programs is actually therapeutic? Can someone say when? Like what case or hearing, or an article that references this...? Thanks!
That issue came up recently in the case of Pence v. Aspen Education Group, Inc. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=28756), regarding Aspen's NorthStar program.

Ursus, your good, I couldnt find this

Item 2, 3/4 the way down
Conclusion:

Both parties agreed that....one member of Matthew Pence's "treatment team" was a licenced therapist.

Based on this can we conclude that all programs have licensed therapists?  or does this apply to just Pence at NorthStar?
Title: Re: Aspen doesn't pretend to actually provide "therapy"
Post by: Ursus on November 07, 2009, 11:56:49 AM
Quote from: "Guest"
Quote from: "Ursus"
Quote from: "guest guest"
Also they said in court that nothing about their programs is actually therapeutic? Can someone say when? Like what case or hearing, or an article that references this...? Thanks!
That issue came up recently in the case of Pence v. Aspen Education Group, Inc. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=28756), regarding Aspen's NorthStar program.
Ursus, your good, I couldnt find this

Item 2, 3/4 the way down
Conclusion:

Both parties agreed that....one member of Matthew Pence's "treatment team" was a licenced therapist.

Based on this can we conclude that all programs have licensed therapists?  or does this apply to just Pence at NorthStar?
Can you reasonably conclude that "all programs have licensed therapists?" NO. Moreover, you cannot conclude that every kid enrolled in a given program even sees a licensed therapist, whether or not they have one on staff.

Regarding the program in question, i.e., the subject of this thread, according to DHS's Complaint and Order to Correct (http://http://cafety.org/images/stories/documents/MBA/mba_complaint%20%20order%20to%20correct_2009.pdf) (p4), Mount Bachelor had only one staff member who was a licensed mental health professional, and this one staff member was not even integrally involved in the day to day operations of the program:

15. MBA violated OAR 413-215-0051(2) regarding staff services in that staff members do not have the background and experience to be able to provide adequate care, safety, protections and supervision of students. MBA has only one staff member who is an Oregon licensed mental health professional, however that staff member reported that he does not meet with every student admitted nor does he regularly participate in the Lifesteps program or "emotional growth" curriculum. There are no staff members with qualifications to treat substance abuse or eating disorders and other mental health diagnosis.[/list]
Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
Post by: Troll Control on November 07, 2009, 12:16:06 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
How many express happiness for Nigels family?

That's funny, considering NIGEL is just your sock puppet, pulled out with a happy visit tale every time Aspen gets smoked, which is quite often recently.  

Every time Whooter is losing badly on the PR front, guess who comes out of hiding?  That's right...the magical NIGEL who's having a "tough time" but whose kid is being "turned around and put on the right path" by Aspen.  It's laughable.  And you're even dumber than we thought if you think you're getting anyone to buy that ridiculous story.  EPIC FAIL, Whooter, as usual.

The bottom line is that Aspen was exposed in Oregon and will be exposed everywhere else it operates.  It's just a matter of time and effort.  It's going to happen.  Whooter's just pissed off because his stupid little charades don't pass the smell test.

Nobody ever claimed Oregon authorities could close down programs in other states.  What was said is that the content of Oregons proven charges of child abuse against Aspen have been forwarded to oversight bodies in other states and that the ones watching ASR did agree they see all of the same warning signs from ASR and will be looking into it.  We all know every time a state looks into an Aspen program, they find wrongdoing.  There's a long history of it.  Sorry again, Whooter, but you fail on this count too.

Whooter should be working to expose abuse, like the abuse his child endured during four LifeSteps seminars, but instead he defends a corrupt business that has been proven to abuse and neglect kids, even failing to report the rape of a little girl on their premises.  

Whooter is sick and disgusting, period.  He's in bed with the people that harmed his child and yours.  Remember that when you're reading his drivel.
Title: Re: Aspen doesn't pretend to actually provide "therapy"
Post by: Whooter on November 07, 2009, 01:23:18 PM
Quote from: "Ursus"
Can you reasonably conclude that "all programs have licensed therapists?" NO. Moreover, you cannot conclude that every kid enrolled in a given program even sees a licensed therapist, whether or not they have one on staff.

I was being facetious.  Many have mentioned on another thread that the details of the trial applied to all Aspen programs (not just NorthStar).  So I was reversing the logic and stating that since one child received therapy then all the children who attend an Aspen program must receive therapy via local logic.
Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
Post by: Anonymous on November 07, 2009, 01:37:41 PM
Isn't this the hell hole that Marcie Padgett went to work for?  If so, it's a real pleasure to me that the abusive bitch has lost a job.   :twofinger:

I'm very pleased that this place of horror has finally gotten nailed.  I wish someone had looked into the runnings of Cedu/Running Springs during my stint there.

This is a victory for teens, but there are still so many places like this still causing harm.
Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
Post by: Anonymous on November 07, 2009, 01:42:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o_t5kIiJEM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o_t5kIiJEM)
Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
Post by: Whooter on November 07, 2009, 02:20:58 PM
Quote from: "fuck Cedu"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o_t5kIiJEM
Everyone looked very happy in that first part.  I was surprised that they accommodated various diets there and the food didnt look too bad, although not totally appetizing.  Are there more installments?
Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
Post by: Troll Control on November 07, 2009, 02:39:48 PM
Quote from: "Guest"
Quote from: "Whooter"
How many express happiness for Nigels family?

That's funny, considering NIGEL is just your sock puppet, pulled out with a happy visit tale every time Aspen gets smoked, which is quite often recently.  

Every time Whooter is losing badly on the PR front, guess who comes out of hiding?  That's right...the magical NIGEL who's having a "tough time" but whose kid is being "turned around and put on the right path" by Aspen.  It's laughable.  And you're even dumber than we thought if you think you're getting anyone to buy that ridiculous story.  EPIC FAIL, Whooter, as usual.

The bottom line is that Aspen was exposed in Oregon and will be exposed everywhere else it operates.  It's just a matter of time and effort.  It's going to happen.  Whooter's just pissed off because his stupid little charades don't pass the smell test.

Nobody ever claimed Oregon authorities could close down programs in other states.  What was said is that the content of Oregons proven charges of child abuse against Aspen have been forwarded to oversight bodies in other states and that the ones watching ASR did agree they see all of the same warning signs from ASR and will be looking into it.  We all know every time a state looks into an Aspen program, they find wrongdoing.  There's a long history of it.  Sorry again, Whooter, but you fail on this count too.

Whooter should be working to expose abuse, like the abuse his child endured during four LifeSteps seminars, but instead he defends a corrupt business that has been proven to abuse and neglect kids, even failing to report the rape of a little girl on their premises.  

Whooter is sick and disgusting, period.  He's in bed with the people that harmed his child and yours.  Remember that when you're reading his drivel.

I've been following his posts for a while and I have to say, even though I support some programs, this poster is exactly right about the one you call "The Who" here.  He makes lots of excuses when programs have abused kids and tries to cover it up, and he always supports the abuser.  And for what it's worth, I agree about "Nigel".  That's obviously The Who also.  I don't see how making up phony identities with phony "success stories" helps any kids.  I think it hurts more than helps, because in this case the program The Who is supporting is really a very bad one.
Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
Post by: Anonymous on November 07, 2009, 04:10:16 PM
Quote from: "Ursus"
Quote from: "guest guest"
Also they said in court that nothing about their programs is actually therapeutic? Can someone say when? Like what case or hearing, or an article that references this...? Thanks!
That issue came up recently in the case of Pence v. Aspen Education Group, Inc. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=28756), regarding Aspen's NorthStar program.

Quote from: "Ursus"
Quote from: "guest guest"
All Aspen programs use lifesteps?! Can someone give a source for this?
Technically, no. Not all Aspen programs use Lifesteps per se. For what it's worth, here's a list of industry-wide programs from 'bout a decade ago which were using it then, along with two which were considering it at the time (original post (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29113&p=350266#p350266)):

    Cascade School, Whitmore, CA
    Mount Bachelor Academy, Prineville, OR
    Academy at Swift River, Cummington, MA
    Hidden Lake Academy, Dahlonega, GA
    Crater Lake School, Sprague River, OR
    CEDU Schools, CA and ID
    Spring Ridge Academy, Spring Valley, AZ
    Cross Creek Manor, LaVerkin, UT
    Paradise Cove, Apia, W. Samoa
    Tranquility Bay, Mandeville, Jamaica
    Spring Creek Lodge, Thompson Falls, MT
    Copper Canyon Academy, Camp Verde, AZ[/list]
    For over 18:
      Northstar, Bend, OR
      Benchmark, Redding, CA[/list]
      Considering it:
        Aspen Ranch, Loa, Utah
        Montana Academy, Marion, Montana[/list][/list][/color]

        Nevertheless... if you read the Complaint and Order to Correct (http://http://cafety.org/images/stories/documents/MBA/mba_complaint%20%20order%20to%20correct_2009.pdf) from Oregon's DHS regarding Mount Bachelor Academy, it's amazing how most all of those complaints could have been made for any of the programs featured on fornits,* not just those run by Aspen or which utilize Lifesteps. I, for one, was struck by the number of apparently illegal or inappropriate events that go on at Hyde School to this day, and which have been occurring there, for decades. The term "emotional growth curriculum" was in use at Hyde as far back as the early 1970s.



        * Not that I personally find this the least bit surprising. It's just that ... to read said complaints and infractions spelled out in government-speak is, to say the least, a rare but welcome affirmation, for lack of a better term!  :D

        Ursus, thanks!!!!
        Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
        Post by: Whooter on November 07, 2009, 04:14:30 PM
        Quote from: "Guest"
        Quote from: "fuck Cedu"
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o_t5kIiJEM
        Everyone looked very happy in that first part.  I was surprised that they accommodated various diets there and the food didnt look too bad, although not totally appetizing.  Are there more installments?
        There is more.  I will put the next one up when I find it.
        Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
        Post by: Anonymous on November 07, 2009, 05:09:25 PM
        So they closed this one down.  More then likely, the scum bags will reopen a new school in another out of California location.

         :waaaa:
        Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
        Post by: Troll Control on November 07, 2009, 05:18:07 PM
        Quote from: "Guest"
        Quote from: "Whooter"
        How many express happiness for Nigels family?

        That's funny, considering NIGEL is just your sock puppet, pulled out with a happy visit tale every time Aspen gets smoked, which is quite often recently.  

        Every time Whooter is losing badly on the PR front, guess who comes out of hiding?  That's right...the magical NIGEL who's having a "tough time" but whose kid is being "turned around and put on the right path" by Aspen.  It's laughable.  And you're even dumber than we thought if you think you're getting anyone to buy that ridiculous story.  EPIC FAIL, Whooter, as usual.

        The bottom line is that Aspen was exposed in Oregon and will be exposed everywhere else it operates.  It's just a matter of time and effort.  It's going to happen.  Whooter's just pissed off because his stupid little charades don't pass the smell test.

        Nobody ever claimed Oregon authorities could close down programs in other states.  What was said is that the content of Oregons proven charges of child abuse against Aspen have been forwarded to oversight bodies in other states and that the ones watching ASR did agree they see all of the same warning signs from ASR and will be looking into it.  We all know every time a state looks into an Aspen program, they find wrongdoing.  There's a long history of it.  Sorry again, Whooter, but you fail on this count too.

        Whooter should be working to expose abuse, like the abuse his child endured during four LifeSteps seminars, but instead he defends a corrupt business that has been proven to abuse and neglect kids, even failing to report the rape of a little girl on their premises.  

        Whooter is sick and disgusting, period.  He's in bed with the people that harmed his child and yours.  Remember that when you're reading his drivel.

        I was thinking the same thing when I was reading this thread earlier.  Thanks for explaining it so well.
        Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
        Post by: Whooter on November 07, 2009, 05:33:32 PM
        Quote from: "fuck cedu"
        So they closed this one down.  More then likely, the scum bags will reopen a new school in another out of California location.

         :waaaa:
        Well, unfortunately, as long as there is a demand and a shortage of beds there will be new programs opening up.  They will just need to avoid Oregon for awhile!!
        Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
        Post by: Troll Control on November 08, 2009, 07:52:07 AM
        So are you in favor of these people opening up another child-rape camp then?  Or should these people be put in prison?  It seems like you think they should just shuffle to somewhere where they can get away with it rather than change their program.

        I also wonder how demand will hold up with all of these stories about rapes and killings in Aspen's programs.  Aspen has four programs in Oregon and one murdered a child and the other sytematically abused them and sexually humilited them and allowed little girls to be raped and woudn't even report this child sodomy to the cops.  And this happened in Oregon, where there is actually some oversight.  Imagine what Aspen does to little girls and boys in Missouri, Utah, Idaho and Massachusetts where nobody is watching them.  It's pretty disgusting to think about.
        Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
        Post by: Whooter on November 08, 2009, 08:37:32 AM
        Quote
        So are you in favor of these people opening up another child-rape camp then? Or should these people be put in prison? It seems like you think they should just shuffle to somewhere where they can get away with it rather than change their program.
        I was stating what I believe will happen next, not what I believe is the right thing to do.  If programs are needed then someone will open them up.  Think of it as shutting down a drug dealer.  If kids are still willing to buy drugs then someone is going to step in and sell them.  Its supply and demand, cant stop it.

        Quote
        I also wonder how demand will hold up with all of these stories about rapes and killings in Aspen's programs.
        I dont think the number of at-risk kids will decrease because of stories.  The need will still be there. Where they send them or how parents will treat the problem may be affected.
        Quote
        Aspen has four programs in Oregon and one murdered a child and the other sytematically abused them and sexually humilited them and allowed little girls to be raped and woudn't even report this child sodomy to the cops. And this happened in Oregon, where there is actually some oversight. Imagine what Aspen does to little girls and boys in Missouri, Utah, Idaho and Massachusetts where nobody is watching them. It's pretty disgusting to think about.

        The woman who was repeatedly raping a young boy in the public school system was doing so under strict oversight and it went undetected for several years in a very tough state.  The programs will change their models and reopen elsewhere under a different name.
        Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
        Post by: Troll Control on November 08, 2009, 10:16:17 AM
        First off, there is no strict oversight at public schools and the kid never told anyone.  At Aspen, the little girl told staff she was raped and they ignored her (and probably punished her, too).  See the difference?  

        A rape reported to staff was swept under the rug.  That's a crime and any staff who knew about it should be convicted and barred from ever working with kids again, like the teacher who raped a student.  The justice system works, but Aspen keeps its crimes hidden from the system which is what makes it so evil and unacceptable.  

        The difference also is evident in that public schools don't set out with the intention of abusing kids, but Aspen does.  Even after being warned not to use the abusive LifeSteps seminars, Aspen did it anyway.  They abused children on purpose and got paid handsomely for it by idiot parents that don't care enough about their kids to watch out for them.

        I hope this clarifies this horribly wrong comparison that Whooter has put out there once again.
        Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
        Post by: Whooter on November 08, 2009, 12:12:15 PM
        Quote from: "Guest"
        First off, there is no strict oversight at public schools]/QUOTE]

        [Citation]

         
        Quote
        and the kid never told anyone.

        [citation]
         
        Quote
        At Aspen, the little girl told staff she was raped


        didnt recall reading this  [citation]?


        Quote
        and they ignored her (and probably punished her, too).[/u]

        didnt read this either [citation]
        Quote
         See the difference?  

        Not so far

        Quote
        A rape reported to staff was swept under the rug.

        [citation]


         
        Quote
        That's a crime and any staff who knew about it should be convicted and barred from ever working with kids again,[/u] like the teacher who raped a student.  The justice system works, but Aspen keeps its crimes hidden from the system which is what makes it so evil and unacceptable.

        I think we can agree that anyone who commits a crime should be punished.

        Quote
        The difference also is evident in that public schools don't set out with the intention of abusing kids, but Aspen does.


        You need to prove intent.  I didnt see that link here [citation] needed

         
        Quote
        Even after being warned not to use the abusive LifeSteps seminars, Aspen did it anyway.  They abused children on purpose and got paid handsomely for it by idiot parents that don't care enough about their kids to watch out for them.

        [citation] needed here too.

        Quote
        I hope this clarifies this horribly wrong comparison that Whooter has put out there once again.

        No clarification at all. You presented no facts and just poured out your hatred towards the industry, which is typical here.  If you ever get a chance go over to Heal and read some of their stuff.  No evidence at all just anger and speculation.  But they try to make it look like it is factual, just like you did.

        Public schools have oversight......We dont know if the kid told anyone, maybe a friend mentioned it and they contacted authorities or maybe they did not.  where did you get this info?  provide links.  When was she ignored and who ignored her and for how long.  what was her punishment?  Where is the intention to abuse?  Where is the evidence there was premeditation to abuse this child?  Where is the letter stating that they were warned?  Who was it addressed to?   provide a link.

        Do you see the difference.  Try to stay with the facts.
        Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
        Post by: Ursus on November 08, 2009, 12:37:55 PM
        From the Oregon DHS's Complaint and Order to Correct Conditions (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29131&p=350409#p350409) Not In Conformity With Licensing Standards for MBA (p5):

        23. MBA violated OAR 413-215-0056 regarding mandatory reporting in that student records indicate a student disclosed to a staff member prior sexual abuse but there is no indication in the record that the staff to whom the disclosure was made had complied with mandatory reporting requirements. Another student reported disclosing rape while at MBA to staff however there is no indication of a report to law enforcement or children's protective services.[/list]
        Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
        Post by: Whooter on November 08, 2009, 01:00:27 PM
        Quote from: "Ursus"
        From the Oregon DHS's Complaint and Order to Correct Conditions (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29131&p=350409#p350409) Not In Conformity With Licensing Standards for MBA (p5):

          23. MBA violated OAR 413-215-0056 regarding mandatory reporting in that student records indicate a student disclosed to a staff member prior sexual abuse but there is no indication in the record that the staff to whom the disclosure was made had complied with mandatory reporting requirements. Another student reported disclosing rape while at MBA to staff however there is no indication of a report to law enforcement or children's protective services.[/list]

          Thanks Ursus.  To the prvious poster:  Based on the written violation (OAR 413-215-0056 ) There is no indication of whether or not the child that was raped reported the crime to the staff member (as you stated).  It might have been another student or a friend who disclosed it.  Ther is no mention that the program ignored her or intended to hurt this child nor was it mentioned that the child was punished for speaking up.

          They could not find any record that the incident was reported to the authorities or "Not In Conformity With Licensing Standards ".  On top of that MBA has been cited for these violations but they have not been proven yet.

          Most of you screamed foul (in the past) when preliminary reports show that the program was not responsible for a childs death and you insist that everyone wait for the autopsie results... well lets wait for the outcome and see where the charges lead to.
          Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
          Post by: Ursus on November 08, 2009, 01:12:50 PM
          Quote from: "Guest"
          There is no indication of whether or not the child that was raped reported the crime to the staff member (as you stated). It might have been another student or a friend who disclosed it.
          It seems it was not clear with so many other words in the way.

          Again, same source, but whittling it down a bit:

          "Another student reported disclosing rape while at MBA to staff however there is no indication of a report to law enforcement or children's protective services."[/list]
          Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
          Post by: Whooter on November 08, 2009, 01:31:21 PM
          Quote from: "Ursus"
          Quote from: "Guest"
          There is no indication of whether or not the child that was raped reported the crime to the staff member (as you stated). It might have been another student or a friend who disclosed it.
          It seems it was not clear with so many other words in the way.

          Again, whittling it down a bit:

            "Another student reported disclosing rape while at MBA to staff however there is no indication of a report to law enforcement or children's protective services."[/list]

            Exactly Ursus:  A previous posted indicated that "the child that was raped" disclosed the rape to the staff.  We dont know that all we know is that the rape was disclosed by a student to a staff member, but we dont know which student.  There was no mention of this student being punished either for disclosing it.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Ursus on November 08, 2009, 01:47:59 PM
            The context of the complaint indicates that it is the students to whom the events happened ... who were doing the disclosing to staff, with the staff not doing anything about it. That is, in your words: "that 'the child that was raped' disclosed the rape to the staff."

            It is unlikely that this event would have made it into the Complaint and Order to Correct Conditions any other way. Otherwise, MBA would have as a potential defense that the Oregon DHS is basing allegations on hearsay. This is too serious an issue for DHS to mess around like that.

            Your games with semantics aren't fooling anyone, Whooter.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Whooter on November 08, 2009, 02:09:25 PM
            Quote from: "Ursus"
            The context of the complaint indicates that it is the students to whom the events happened ... who were doing the disclosing to staff, with the staff not doing anything about it. That is, in your words: "that 'the child that was raped' disclosed the rape to the staff."

            It is unlikely that this event would have made it into the Complaint and Order to Correct Conditions any other way. Otherwise, MBA would have as a potential defense that the Oregon DHS is basing allegations on hearsay. This is too serious an issue for DHS to mess around like that.

            Your games with semantics aren't fooling anyone, Whooter.

            The previpous poster was the one trying to fool the readers, I am not trying to pass along my feelings and intuition as facts.  I am just trying to clear it up and asking for facts to back up comments made.  We dont know if staff ignored the rape or not.  They might have taken action.  What the state is saying is that there is no evidence they followed procedures and filed a report with the state (which is mandatory).  It is also possible that the childs roommate reported the incident to the staff member initially and then the staff approached the child themselves.  It was stated by the same poster that the child was punished for this disclosure but this does not show up in any reports, so it must have been fabricated by the poster.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Troll Control on November 08, 2009, 02:32:03 PM
            Quote from: "Ursus"
            The context of the complaint indicates that it is the students to whom the events happened ... who were doing the disclosing to staff, with the staff not doing anything about it. That is, in your words: "that 'the child that was raped' disclosed the rape to the staff."

            It is unlikely that this event would have made it into the Complaint and Order to Correct Conditions any other way. Otherwise, MBA would have as a potential defense that the Oregon DHS is basing allegations on hearsay. This is too serious an issue for DHS to mess around like that.

            Your games with semantics aren't fooling anyone, Whooter.

            No, Whooter isn't fooling anyone, Ursus, you're right about that.  Whooter is a quisling of Aspen.  He doesn't care that Aspen staffers rape, maim and kill children.  He's as crooked as they are, but the facts are against all of his assertions.  

            Aspen has had many black eys over the years, but this is a more serious blow.  For this particular Aspen program, it will prove to be too much for its glass jaw.  It's a straight-up KO.  Whooter wants to make it into a TKO and that's fine with me.  Either way, Aspen is out for the count on this one.  They got a standing eight-count when they were warned to stop using LifeSteps.  The corner man (Bitz) decided to continue anyway and MBA has been KO'd.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Whooter on November 08, 2009, 03:49:11 PM
            Quote
            He doesn't care that Aspen staffers rape, maim and kill children.......

              Ha,Ha,Ha  Ursus, Do you see now why I post here?  No matter how many times you post the facts posters just disregard them.  Again, guest, the report was refering to an instance where a child was raped "by another student" at MBA.  This is the type of misinformation that gets thrown out by posters who dont bother to read the reports.


            Thank you for supporting my reason for posting here.  I am typically the only one (besides Ursus and a couple others) who brings facts to the table regardless of outcome.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Troll Control on November 08, 2009, 04:10:47 PM
            But, it's a rape isn't it?  and it was unreported, wasn't it?  Nobody claimed the girl was raped by staff.  Raped is raped no matter who did it.  this girl has been traumatized and victimized just the same.  And MBA didn't even tell the authorities.

            Count One, Rape -  Upheld
            Count Two, Failure to Report Child Rape - Upheld

            The report also said investigators observed numerous injuries on the children, including bruising of their arms by staff.

            Count Three, Maiming -  Maybe, if bruising meets the definition of maiming

            And SageWalk, another Aspen program in Oregon was recently forcibly closed by authorities for a homicide of a child in their care who was killed by staff.

            Count Four, Death - Upheld

            So the poster was 75% correct at the least and up to 100% based on the facts of the report from Oregon DHS and the Sheriff's Department.

            Three-quarters to completely correct makes Whooter so upset for what reason now?  He's just flailing again with no facts to support what he says.  Personally, I believe the reports and not Whooter.  The authorities seem more credible than some guy on the internet.  I think everyone agree with this.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Whooter on November 08, 2009, 04:24:25 PM
            Quote from: "Guest"

            So the poster was 75% correct ......

            Exactly and hence why I focused on getting the other 25% corrected.  The child was not raped by staff members as reported here.  I showed that and Ursus supplied the facts.  We should all expose these lies as they surface,  it should always rest on my shoulders.....we should "all" insist on posting 100% facts no matter where the error lies.  Its important to maintain some credibility or at least build on what you have.

            Someone should probably call HEAL as I am sure they have already read this thread and are reporting a "Staff Rape" on their web site, lol.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Troll Control on November 08, 2009, 05:33:58 PM
            It was a typo.  No big deal.

            What's important is now Whooter admits a child was raped on this Aspen campus and children were abused.  This is a big step for Whooter to start admitting the facts.  See, Whooter, I knew you could do it!!  For you just to stop blindly supporting abusive programs like Aspen is part of your maturation process.  And you didn't even need a program...LOL.  You were helped by everyone's support here.  We always hold you accountable and now you are starting to see that the truth doesn't hurt so much if you only act in the best interests of the kids.  We can all be proud of you for finally breaking through the tissue of lies you have been spinning here for years!  Try not to backslide, Ha, Ha, Ha...Just kidding!
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Whooter on November 08, 2009, 05:43:25 PM
            Go ahead and pat yourself on the back "who boy" but the only thing you ever did for this place was get rid of RobertBruce and his never ending trolling.  Besides that you haven’t done shit.  You are an Aspen shill, supporter of child abuse and always will be.  Roll the fuck over and die.  We dont need you here.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Whooter on November 08, 2009, 05:50:04 PM
            Quote from: "Guest"

            And SageWalk, another Aspen program in Oregon was recently forcibly closed by authorities for a homicide of a child in their care who was killed by staff

            Was this proven to be a homicide?  tsk,tsk,tsk  or is this further proof of the misinformation that is presented her?  Can you supply a link?

            I think we can all start to see the trend here.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Anonymous on November 08, 2009, 05:58:08 PM
            http://www.katu.com/news/65114062.html (http://www.katu.com/news/65114062.html)

            Quote from: "katunews"
            In an affidavit Lake County Sheriff’s Deputy Chuck Poré wrote:[...]

            he believed Sergey’s death “was a homicide and the result of criminal mistreatment and reckless endangerment by the school.”[/i]
            It said that Department of Human Services requires that wilderness schools offer its students “no less than 3,000 calories of food per day.”

            Poré said that Sergey was only given lentils and rice and may have only received 400 calories during the day.

            The Blashchishena family declined to comment on the sheriff deputy’s findings but their attorney said the sheriff’s department is on the right track.

            “Obviously, it confirms some of my client’s suspicions about some of the problems that were with the camp, some of the problems with the program, and in particular, the way that Sergey was treated and the way that there was a lack of attention to his medical emergency,” said Gordon Gannicott.

            http://www.cafety.org/privately-funded- ... tion-group (http://www.cafety.org/privately-funded-programs/788-sagewalk-death-brat-camp-aspen-education-group)

            Quote from: "thebulliten"
            Poré arrived around 7 p.m., nearly five hours after staff members had begun CPR and more than three hours after they’d stopped lifesaving efforts. He rolled Blashchishen onto his side to examine him, and was surprised to find the boy’s body still warm.

            “Never before have I encountered a body that was warmer than my own touch, and it was especially remarkable as it was overcast and had been hours since death. ... Although I was gloved I was wearing short sleeves and could feel the heat radiation against my own skin,” Poré wrote. “My senses likened the feeling to touching someone who had just gotten out of a hot shower.”
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Whooter on November 08, 2009, 06:07:14 PM
            Quote
            he believed it was a homicide

            Thank you poster for finding that, you saved me a half hour..... I rest my case..... many posters dont base anything on facts here... just peoples beliefs.
            This further supports why I post here and spend the time that I do.  If not for my posts many people would believe that Sergeys death was determined to be a homicide instead of one persons opinion.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Troll Control on November 08, 2009, 06:10:23 PM
            Thanks for the link!  It appears "homicide" is correct.  But again, what's the difference if it's homicide or death by abuse and neglect?  The poor kid died and his mother will never hold him again.  

            Whooter, you're backsliding already, tsk, tsk, tsk.  Not good at all.  Try to go back to where you were earlier and start by admitting Aspen killed this child, one way or the other.  ONE DEAD KID IS TOO MANY, Whooter.  Let's try to focus on the child and stop obfuscating.  I thought you wanted to help kids?  Covering up for abuse is not helpful!!
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Whooter on November 08, 2009, 06:15:02 PM
            Quote from: "Guest"
            Quote
            he believed it was a homicide

            Thank you poster for finding that, you saved me a half hour..... I rest my case..... many posters dont base anything on facts here... just peoples beliefs.
            This further supports why I post here and spend the time that I do.  If not for my posts many people would believe that Sergeys death was determined to be a homicide instead of one persons opinion.

            What is the "knee jerk" response to me exposing the lie?:

            "what's the difference....."  LOL, Ya got to love it.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Troll Control on November 08, 2009, 07:19:07 PM
            Quote from: "Guest"
            http://www.katu.com/news/65114062.html

            Quote from: "katunews"
            In an affidavit Lake County Sheriff’s Deputy Chuck Poré wrote:[...]

            Sergey’s death “was a homicide and the result of criminal mistreatment and reckless endangerment by the school.”[/i]
            It said that Department of Human Services requires that wilderness schools offer its students “no less than 3,000 calories of food per day.”

            Poré said that Sergey was only given lentils and rice and may have only received 400 calories during the day.

            The Blashchishena family declined to comment on the sheriff deputy’s findings but their attorney said the sheriff’s department is on the right track.

            “Obviously, it confirms some of my client’s suspicions about some of the problems that were with the camp, some of the problems with the program, and in particular, the way that Sergey was treated and the way that there was a lack of attention to his medical emergency,” said Gordon Gannicott.

            http://www.cafety.org/privately-funded- ... tion-group (http://www.cafety.org/privately-funded-programs/788-sagewalk-death-brat-camp-aspen-education-group)

            Quote from: "thebulliten"
            Poré arrived around 7 p.m., nearly five hours after staff members had begun CPR and more than three hours after they’d stopped lifesaving efforts. He rolled Blashchishen onto his side to examine him, and was surprised to find the boy’s body still warm.

            “Never before have I encountered a body that was warmer than my own touch, and it was especially remarkable as it was overcast and had been hours since death. ... Although I was gloved I was wearing short sleeves and could feel the heat radiation against my own skin,” Poré wrote. “My senses likened the feeling to touching someone who had just gotten out of a hot shower.”

            Thanks for the links!  Now everyone can see this is a homicide.  

            I think this is the relevant passage:

            Quote
            Sergey’s death “was a homicide and the result of criminal mistreatment and reckless endangerment by the school.”

            Aspen seems to have a lot of dead kids surrounding their programs.  I'm glad the Sheriff is going after the killers of this boy.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Whooter on November 08, 2009, 07:24:05 PM
            So out of frustration you change the wording yourself lol.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Troll Control on November 08, 2009, 07:47:38 PM
            No, that's a direct quote.  This is a homicide case.  Sorry that you can't read that this case is being treated as a homicide.  I believe the coroner report confirms this.

            The Sheriff also noted that the boy was put on a starvation diet consisting of only 400 calories per day when 3,000 were required.  

            So they starved him, force marched him until he dropped and failed to provide medical proper treatment.  Yep, that's ahomicide, alright. But I think it will be charges as a 'neglegent homicide" as the staff exhibited depraved indifference to the boy's struggle for life and let him die.

            Aspen killed this kid.  No way around that.
            Title: 2Who from the heart
            Post by: Inculcated on November 08, 2009, 07:50:54 PM
            “Who” or whoever you are, I don’t know who you are currently entangled with in this exchange and I absolutely loathe posting any response to your relentless, soulless mission to minimize and obfuscate and deceive.

            “Lol”, you write in this exchange. You pick over the details of this boy’s death with absolutely no compassion.
            You whoever you are, are just disgusting. In just the past day. You’ve got banter with yourself about child rape in a program in one thread and you “Lol” your slimy response in a discussion on the topic of this family losing their child so fucking senselessly with a several staff on scene that were clearly at turns as indifferent and ignorant as you are.

            I’ve a wish for you to evolve someday, troll. ‘Not a pure wish for this has not a damn thing to do with your enlightenment, or even the benefit of those you encounter in life.

            I want for you to someday fucking get it. I want you to understand it and to feel it. You would fucking ache from it, if you could see what you are and understand what you aren’t. I want for you to be capable of regretting this that you’ve done with your life and to be able to mourn the loss of what that boy might have become in life.
            Here’s hoping there’s a soul inside you to break….
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Whooter on November 08, 2009, 08:06:42 PM
            Quote from: "Guest"
            No, that's a direct quote.  This is a homicide case.  Sorry that you can't read that this case is being treated as a homicide.  I believe the coroner report confirms this.

            The Sheriff also noted that the boy was put on a starvation diet consisting of only 400 calories per day when 3,000 were required.  

            So they starved him, force marched him until he dropped and failed to provide medical proper treatment.  Yep, that's ahomicide, alright. But I think it will be charges as a 'neglegent homicide" as the staff exhibited depraved indifference to the boy's struggle for life and let him die.

            Aspen killed this kid.  No way around that.

            If you were so convinced, yourself, then you would not have to play with the wording.  You would be open and honest with the facts.  So what would drive people (or a person like yourself) to skew the truth or leave out facts or report only partual quotes?

            See what I mean?... if you were confident in your facts you would just present them and let people read them for themselves. Many here miss that small piece but it happens daily here.  It is a tip off that your not being truthful.

            Read a newspaper article and then read HEAL or some of the quotes here and you will see what I mean... only pieces are presented and/or they are truncated.

            Check it out sometime.  The above posts are an example of this...look how the quote changes as the poster starts to loss his argument... its fun to watch sometimes.  It shows they are not too sure themselves that the childs death is a homicide or they dont  have confidence the article can stand on its own so they change it...lol.
            Title: Re: 2Who from the heart
            Post by: Troll Control on November 08, 2009, 08:18:52 PM
            Quote from: "Inculcated"
            “Who” or whoever you are, I don’t know who you are currently entangled with in this exchange and I absolutely loathe posting any response to your relentless, soulless mission to minimize and obfuscate and deceive.

            “Lol”, you write in this exchange. You pick over the details of this boy’s death with absolutely no compassion.
            You whoever you are, are just disgusting. In just the past day. You’ve got banter with yourself about child rape in a program in one thread and you “Lol” your slimy response in a discussion on the topic of this family losing their child so fucking senselessly with a several staff on scene that were clearly at turns as indifferent and ignorant as you are.

            I’ve a wish for you to evolve someday, troll. ‘Not a pure wish for this has not a damn thing to do with your enlightenment, or even the benefit of those you encounter in life.

            I want for you to someday fucking get it. I want you to understand it and to feel it. You would fucking ache from it, if you could see what you are and understand what you aren’t. I want for you to be capable of regretting this that you’ve done with your life and to be able to mourn the loss of what that boy might have become in life.
            Here’s hoping there’s a soul inside you to break….

            Great post, Inculcated.  He's an insensitive bastard and program pimp.  

            The poor kid is dead for no reason and his mom will never get him back.  Whooter's response? "Lol"[/u]  He's a really sick fuck.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Anonymous on November 09, 2009, 01:15:35 PM
            Quote from: "Guest"
            So are you in favor of these people opening up another child-rape camp then?  Or should these people be put in prison?  It seems like you think they should just shuffle to somewhere where they can get away with it rather than change their program.

            I also wonder how demand will hold up with all of these stories about rapes and killings in Aspen's programs.  Aspen has four programs in Oregon and one murdered a child and the other sytematically abused them and sexually humilited them and allowed little girls to be raped and woudn't even report this child sodomy to the cops.  And this happened in Oregon, where there is actually some oversight.  Imagine what Aspen does to little girls and boys in Missouri, Utah, Idaho and Massachusetts where nobody is watching them.  It's pretty disgusting to think about.

            No friend, I am NOT in favor of any reopenings, but fear that there will be.  And why is that?  Because shitty parents are on the look out to dump their troubled kids in an expensive baby sitters lap.

            Fuckers like the Cedu clan are only too happy to take them in, and make a lot of money off of the screwed up parents.

            It won't stop, I'm afraid.

            God rest the souls of the suicide victims and children that were never found again.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Whooter on November 09, 2009, 01:47:23 PM
            Quote from: "fuck cedu"
            Because shitty parents are on the look out to dump their troubled kids in an expensive baby sitters lap.

            Interesting how the ones who still cannot take responsibility for their own lives and screw ups refer to "program parents" as the ones screwed up or call them shitty parents.  Gets you off the hook?  I bet to this day you haven’t taken personal responsibility for being placed.
            I bet even in your present profession you blame others for your screw-ups.  It does carry over.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Troll Control on November 09, 2009, 01:54:11 PM
            Oh, I bet you know a lot about blaming others, Whooter.  I wouldn't talk too much shit about work life when you already admitted here you could never hold a job more than a year because everyone found you tedious and annoying.  That has carried over for you.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Whooter on November 09, 2009, 02:06:49 PM
            Quote from: "Guest"
            Oh, I bet you know a lot about blaming others, Whooter.  I wouldn't talk too much shit about work life when you already admitted here you could never hold a job more than a year because everyone found you tedious and annoying.  That has carried over for you.

            Exactly, it does carry over.  The way I act in my personal life carries over to my professional because there is an underlying personality that is driving it all.  So these people who blame their parents for being placed in a programs and pissing away thier inheritance are going to be blaming coworkers for their screw-ups at work, in their professional lives.  I have seen this first hand.  There is very little separation and I will be the first one to admit it is hard to act differently.  Its the way people are.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Inculcated on November 09, 2009, 03:13:03 PM
            Lest my outburst toward the troll contribute to the troll’s agenda to have this thread deviate from substantive issues and devolve into yet another “whooligan” wasteland of semantics games, I’ll reiterate some of the points posted by others on the topic, in brief.

            •   Fact: Investigators found nine substantiated allegations of child abuse and neglect as well as numerous licensing violations.
            •   Fact:  This Aspen program (among others) runs "LifeSteps" workshops. LifeSteps was found by Oregon DHS to be child abuse.
            MBA violated OAR 413-215-0076(3) regarding behavior management in that MBA required students to engage in an "emotional growth" curriculum, included but not limited to the Lifesteps program that was punitive, humiliating, degrading, and traumatizing. The "emotional growth" curriculum included, but was not limited to, sexualized role play in front of staff and peers, requiring students to say derogatory phrases about themselves in front of staff and peers, requiring students to reenact past physical abuse in front of staff and peers, permitting staff to engage in the usage of derogatory names, phrases and ridicule of students, and deprivation of sleep.
             •   Fact: Aspen’s MBA violated OAR 413-215-0056 regarding mandatory reporting in that student records indicate a student disclosed to a staff member prior sexual abuse but there is no indication in the record that the staff to whom the disclosure was made had complied with mandatory reporting requirements. Another student reported disclosing rape while at MBA to staff however there is no indication of a report to law enforcement or children's protective services.
            •   Fact: Aspen programs have had children die under their “care” due to negligence.
            •   Fact:  Sergey Blashchishen’s August 28th, 2009 death at Sagewalk is the most recent example of just such tragedies.  
               
            •              Supposition: The program shill known as “who” is dead inside. -My own reasonable inference.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Anonymous on November 09, 2009, 04:26:07 PM
            Quote from: "Guest"
            So these people who blame their parents for being placed in a programs and pissing away thier inheritance are going to be blaming coworkers for their screw-ups at work, in their professional lives. I

            This is really funny.   :ftard:  So who else is to blame for pissing away the money and placing a kid in a program?  Its the parents who have the power and the parents who made the decision.  The kids do not have a choice.  Oh, you probably mean that the kids  behavior got them into a program (you know, those places parents dump their kids for an adolescent "time out" so the folks can have some peace) as if when kids behaves in a certain way  the only legitimate parental response is to dump him or her into a program.  Nice...you sound like the wife beater who says "but you made me do it it! You made the choice to talk back and get yourself beat up, its  your fault!"

            A "co-worker" is a far cry from a parent.  Co-worker implies a degree of equality or at least lack a position that does not convey arbitrary control over other workers.  They don't have the power to suck up your adolescence and spit you out like so much trash.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Whooter on November 09, 2009, 05:07:58 PM
            Quote from: "Guest"
            So who else is to blame for pissing away the money and placing a kid in a program?

            No one else.  The kids had plenty of warning and knew the axe was going to fall.  Talk to a few off line they were not oblivious to it.  (they wont admit it openly on fornits)  Its not like they were sitting around waiting for their full scholarship to Harvard to arrive.  The kids can do what ever they want once they turn 18.  But until then they need to follow the rules of the house.  Plain and simple.  If you fuck up and piss away yours and your  siblings inheritance you need to live with that, although many just keep on going and blaming their parents and programs.... anyone else besides themselves.

            A coworker is different than a parent but the outward blame shows up in the work place.  If someone brings their fries back and says they are cold and the kid behind the counter makes all kinds of excuses like” I just started my shift, someone else forgot to turn on the fryolator or Someone else put those in the bag it wasnt my order.  This kid will be at the counter his whole life and is likely to blame all his screw ups on others, his parents family etc..... The customer doesn’t want excuses he just wants warm fries.  The kid who takes accountability will just apologize for the mistake and get the customer a new bag whether it was his fault or not.
            See what I mean?
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Anonymous on November 09, 2009, 06:23:02 PM
            So you are saying that the programs exist as punishment for bad kids, an "axe" to threaten the kid into following the rules of the house?  And they were not oblivious?  The kids who were kidnapped in the middle of the night and hauled away had to have been pretty oblivious or they would have run for the hilss.
            Quote from: "Guest"
            you fuck up and piss away yours and your siblings inheritance you need to live with that,

            Again  it was the parent's money, control and choice to "piss away" the money although since you obviously approve of programs  I find it an odd choice of words; I would think you would view it as a "wise investment" or money well-spent to "save" the kid and all the siblings should be grateful for the opportunity to help save a family member's life. Is this your way of admitting money spent ("pissed away") on programs is a big waste and programs are worthless?

            So ya got a parent telling the sibs that their money was "pissed away" on the bad kid and its all his fault.  Ya got a parent with some serous "failure-to-take-responsibility-(fucking up and pissing away the money on a worthless program)" issues, sowing the seeds of resentment among the children.  Nice, real nice.  I hope you don't have kids cuz ya don't seem to like 'em much. :rofl:
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Whooter on November 09, 2009, 07:50:37 PM
            Quote
            So you are saying that the programs exist as punishment for bad kids, an "axe" to threaten the kid into following the rules of the house? And they were not oblivious? The kids who were kidnapped in the middle of the night and hauled away had to have been pretty oblivious or they would have run for the hilss.
            Most parents know their own kids and know if they would be willing to attend a program or not.  If a child is defiant and would refuse to get help then an escort would be a good choice in this case.  I am not aware of any other options available if the kid refuses help.
            Quote
            Again it was the parent's money, control and choice to "piss away" the money although since you obviously approve of programs I find it an odd choice of words; I would think you would view it as a "wise investment" or money well-spent to "save" the kid and all the siblings should be grateful for the opportunity to help save a family member's life. Is this your way of admitting money spent ("pissed away") on programs is a big waste and programs are worthless?
            Sure if the kid floods the basement and they need a new heating system then it is the parents choice whether or not to spend it.  If the kid overdoses on heroin and needs rehab then it is the parents who decide to spend the money or not.  If the kid chooses to drop out of school and partake in an at-risk life style then it is the parents decision to help the kid or not......But it is the kid who incurs the expense not the parents.  Its a wise investment to get a new heating system, get the children the help they need etc. but in many cases the kid could have avoided the expense by making better choices.
            If you had kids you would know that you would sell your house to save one of your children.
            Quote
            So ya got a parent telling the sibs that their money was "pissed away" on the bad kid and its all his fault. Ya got a parent with some serous "failure-to-take-responsibility-(fucking up and pissing away the money on a worthless program)" issues, sowing the seeds of resentment among the children. Nice, real nice. I hope you don't have kids cuz ya don't seem to like 'em much.
            Well I guess if you live in a trailer park the parents and family may interact that way.  Typically everyone knows what the deal is and why the money was spent and how much. The kids know themselves that they are the ones responsible for incurring the expense, not their brothers and sisters or their parents.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Troll Control on November 09, 2009, 08:04:25 PM
            Quote from: "Guest"
            So you are saying that the programs exist as punishment for bad kids, an "axe" to threaten the kid into following the rules of the house?  And they were not oblivious?  The kids who were kidnapped in the middle of the night and hauled away had to have been pretty oblivious or they would have run for the hilss.
            Quote from: "Guest"
            you fuck up and piss away yours and your siblings inheritance you need to live with that,

            Again  it was the parent's money, control and choice to "piss away" the money although since you obviously approve of programs  I find it an odd choice of words; I would think you would view it as a "wise investment" or money well-spent to "save" the kid and all the siblings should be grateful for the opportunity to help save a family member's life. Is this your way of admitting money spent ("pissed away") on programs is a big waste and programs are worthless?

            So ya got a parent telling the sibs that their money was "pissed away" on the bad kid and its all his fault.  Ya got a parent with some serous "failure-to-take-responsibility-(fucking up and pissing away the money on a worthless program)" issues, sowing the seeds of resentment among the children.  Nice, real nice.  I hope you don't have kids cuz ya don't seem to like 'em much. :rofl:

            Well said.  And right on the money, so to speak.  Remember that you're dealing with an elitist also.  For him it's ALL about MONEY.  And, of course, blaming the children for their shitty parents.  "You can't chose your parents."  Too bad, huh?
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Anonymous on November 09, 2009, 10:49:21 PM
            I hear ya.  Interesting how revealing the reference to the money being "pissed away" is(guess he mortgaged the house and didn't get back the grateful Stepford kid he bargained for) :  a Freudian slip as it were, a subliminal admission that the money was a waste and he's "pissed" about it.  All of sudden he gets all formal defending stuff that's not at issue in my response, avoiding the meat of the matter. F
            Typical.  Its either CG or the Whoots.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Oscar on November 10, 2009, 03:01:14 AM
            It will close december 9 - 2009.

            Mount Bachelor Academy in Prineville to close by Dec. 9 (By Amy Hsuan, The Oregonian , Oregon Live LLC) (http://http://www.oregonlive.com/business/index.ssf/2009/11/prineville_boarding_school_to.html)

            The keystone i Aspen's program Lifestep was the reason.

            Now it is up to the state of Arizona and the state of Utah to investigate the same. Lifestep is according to our sources used at Copper Canyon Academy and teenagers from Aspen Ranch have been driven down there to participate in those seminars.

            If they don't act the the reason for HR 911 will be more clear than ever. Child abuse in one state cannot be OK in another. There must be federal standards.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Troll Control on November 10, 2009, 06:42:48 AM
            Full text of above link:

            Quote
            Mount Bachelor Academy in Prineville to close by Dec. 9
            By Amy Hsuan, The Oregonian
            November 09, 2009, 6:16PM
             
            Mount Bachelor Academy, a Prineville boarding school investigated by the state for allegations of child abuse, will close by December 9.

            The facility will start letting employees go on Wednesday, with a total loss of between 69 and 72 jobs.

            The state Department of Human Services told parents to remove their children from the school last week after a seven-month investigation concluded that students were subject to inappropriate sexual role-play, public humiliation and physical deprivation.

            The state gave the academy 90 days to correct a list of violations, said DHS spokesman Gene Evans, but had not heard anything since.

            The school's parent company, California-based Aspen Education Group, announced the permanent closure Monday in a Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act to the state's Department of Community Colleges and Workforce Development.

            In the notice, Mark Dorenfeld, senior vice president for Aspen Education, states that the company is unable to provide 60-days notice as required by the federal act because "the closing is the result of an unforeseeable business circumstance; namely the revocation of the Facility's operating license."

            However, the state has only temporarily suspended the school's license, Evans said. The school could be reinstated if it takes corrective action.

            "We issued them a temporary suspension to operate their therapeutic boarding school," Evans said on Monday.

            Representatives of Aspen Education did not return phone calls on Monday. The facility will starting letting employees go on Wednesday, with a total loss of between 69 and 72 jobs.

            According to state records, the school enrolled 88 students and employed 77 staff as of March. The private school catered to troubled teens 14 to 17 1/2 years old, drawing students from all over the world. Tuition ran $6,400 a month, and students typically stayed 14 to 16 months.

            Representatives of Aspen Education did not return phone calls on Monday.

            -- Amy Hsuan



            It seems from reading this, Aspen simply chose to close its doors rather than try to comply with the law.  Fine with me.  The order is clearly a suspension of the license and not a revocation, but the VP Mark Dorenfeld, in typical Aspen style, said that MBA couldn't carry on because of a revocation, which is untrue.  

            It seems he's trying to martyr MBA so he can say "The big, bad regulators shut us down.  There was nothing I could do!"  When, in reality, he could have cleaned up his act, hired qualified people and followed the law.  It's plain to see that if Aspen has to spend money instead of making it, they will just close up rather than offer actual evidence-based treatment.

            Take you marbles and go home then, Mr. Dorenfeld.  I won't cry about it.  Just be aware you're running a failed business model and this is going to be happening everywhere you operate.  Many of us here are seeing to that personally.  Buh-bye now. :rocker:
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Whooter on November 10, 2009, 01:02:37 PM
            Quote
            It's plain to see that if Aspen has to spend money instead of making it....

            I think you hit it right on the head.  Aspen is going to take the path which maximizes profits.  Businesses dont spend money just to prove a point.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Anonymous on November 10, 2009, 03:56:08 PM
            Quote from: "Guest"
            Quote from: "fuck cedu"
            Because shitty parents are on the look out to dump their troubled kids in an expensive baby sitters lap.

            Interesting how the ones who still cannot take responsibility for their own lives and screw ups refer to "program parents" as the ones screwed up or call them shitty parents.  Gets you off the hook?  I bet to this day you haven’t taken personal responsibility for being placed.
            I bet even in your present profession you blame others for your screw-ups.  It does carry over.

            My life actually is a happy positive one.   I place no blame on my parents, with whom I love.  They were lied to on many levels, as was the school district that shelled out $3,500 a month in 1980 for an education that CEDU never gave.  Basket weaving doesn't get you too far in life.

            No, I'm no screw up.  Actually, I'm a new grandmother to an amazing little boy.  I own a thriving business, own a house, and am hoping Santa will deliver a new Harley-Davidson around the new year.  I'm a devoted wife to my husband, and I have two step-sons that I adore.

            I take it you are either a staff member/abuser, or a former student that is still drinking the kool-aid.  Either way, you mean nothing to me, and obviously have no purpose in life except to trivialize the loss of children's lives that were entrusted to CEDU and the like.

            Obviously, you lack compassion.  I pity you.  GET HELP.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Whooter on November 10, 2009, 04:43:32 PM
            Quote from: "Survivor 1980"
            Quote from: "Guest"
            Quote from: "fuck cedu"
            Because shitty parents are on the look out to dump their troubled kids in an expensive baby sitters lap.

            Interesting how the ones who still cannot take responsibility for their own lives and screw ups refer to "program parents" as the ones screwed up or call them shitty parents.  Gets you off the hook?  I bet to this day you haven’t taken personal responsibility for being placed.
            I bet even in your present profession you blame others for your screw-ups.  It does carry over.

            My life actually is a happy positive one.   I place no blame on my parents, with whom I love.  They were lied to on many levels, as was the school district that shelled out $3,500 a month in 1980 for an education that CEDU never gave.  Basket weaving doesn't get you too far in life.

            No, I'm no screw up.  Actually, I'm a new grandmother to an amazing little boy.  I own a thriving business, own a house, and am hoping Santa will deliver a new Harley-Davidson around the new year.  I'm a devoted wife to my husband, and I have two step-sons that I adore.

            I take it you are either a staff member/abuser, or a former student that is still drinking the kool-aid.  Either way, you mean nothing to me, and obviously have no purpose in life except to trivialize the loss of children's lives that were entrusted to CEDU and the like.

            Obviously, you lack compassion.  I pity you.  GET HELP.

            I think you may be confusing threads.  They were talking about shitty parents vs kids who never took responsibility for their lives and the events that shaped them.  There was no loss of life mentioned nor mention of CEDU that I saw. But I am glad you made out okay and have a good relationship with your parents.  Congrats on being a grandmom.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Anonymous on November 10, 2009, 10:34:32 PM
            Quote
            They were talking about shitty parents vs kids who never took responsibility for their lives

            right. because one has absolutely nothing to do with the other.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Anonymous on November 11, 2009, 04:08:55 AM
            A reminder of the actual topic, Mount Bachelor Academy gets shut down for abusing children. :feedtrolls:
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Whooter on November 11, 2009, 12:09:39 PM
            Quote from: "Irresponsible Aspen causes deaths and …"
            A reminder of the actual topic, Mount Bachelor Academy gets shut down for abusing children. :feedtrolls:

            Nothing has been proven by either side yet, just talk at this point.  He said, she said.  It will be interesting to see how this turns out.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Anonymous on November 11, 2009, 12:24:54 PM
            If MBA is not shut down, then where are the children now?
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Ursus on November 11, 2009, 12:35:39 PM
            Quote from: "Question"
            If MBA is not shut down, then where are the children now?
            Some were taken home, some are being placed in other programs as per arrangements facilitated by their parents. I imagine that Academy at Swift River, Mount Bachelor's sister school, is experiencing an increase in their enrollment numbers.

            I bet Whooter is happy about that!  :D
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Whooter on November 11, 2009, 12:37:23 PM
            Quote from: "Question"
            If MBA is not shut down, then where are the children now?

            I believe the State of Oregon shut it down based on results from an investigation, I think it is posted on the first or second page.  It will be interesting to see where this leads to and if the state was correct or not in shutting them down.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: psy on November 11, 2009, 12:58:10 PM
            Quote from: "Guest"
            Quote from: "Question"
            If MBA is not shut down, then where are the children now?
            Probably being transferred to another Aspen run facility.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Whooter on November 11, 2009, 01:17:02 PM
            Quote from: "psy"
            Quote from: "Guest"
            Quote from: "Question"
            If MBA is not shut down, then where are the children now?
            Probably being transferred to another Aspen run facility.

            Pulling a kid out midway is worse than the kid not ever going at all.  Parents are highly encouraged to continue until the kids have finished and I agree with you that most of them have already been placed.  Fortunately in this economy there are open beds in other Aspen facilities.  Plus the relocation expenses are tax deductable because it was caused by the State of Oregon (not Aspen), which helps with the transitional costs.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Anonymous on November 11, 2009, 01:20:10 PM
            No, parents are highly encouraged to ignore the fucking troll.

            Seriously, do you honestly think you're going to get any sales or retentions posting anything on page 7 of a thread featuring an Aspen program getting shut down for abuse?
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Inculcated on November 11, 2009, 01:24:46 PM
            Quote from: "psy"
            Quote from: "Ursus"
            Quote from: "Question"
            If MBA is not shut down, then where are the children now?
            Some were taken home, some are being placed in other programs as per arrangements facilitated by their parents. I imagine that Academy at Swift River, Mount Bachelor's sister school, is experiencing an increase in their enrollment numbers.
            Probably being transferred to another Aspen run facility.


            Twisted, those kids have been dealt a cruel twist. Will this Aspen program be addressing and “treating” the abuses incurred by the transferred students from MBA at ASR? Or will the obvious conflict of Aspen self- interest cause call for an application of some silencing “treatment”.
            “Scream in this theatre of pain, but when it comes to what we’ve done to you…STFU.”
            Oh, there’s a song in my head on repeat. The transferred kids are out of the pan and into the fire.

             re: an earlier post on Lifesteps by Ursus.
            Quote from: "Ursus"
            Mount Bachelor's own sister school Academy at Swift Rivertheir own version of Lifestep (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29113&start=120#p350568)
            So, the step away from the encounter/marathon methods for ASR was an embrace of the psychodramatic methods of a Dr. Moreno who married the sister of one of his patients and incorporated his wife into her sister’s treatment plan…and (his wife) Zerka Toeman  who heard voices and believed herself to be psychically connected to certain individuals? That’s the Zerka of the quintessential Zerka…?
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Anonymous on November 11, 2009, 01:25:50 PM
            Quote from: "Ursus"
            Quote from: "Question"
            If MBA is not shut down, then where are the children now?
            Some were taken home, some are being placed in other programs as per arrangements facilitated by their parents. I imagine that Academy at Swift River, Mount Bachelor's sister school, is experiencing an increase in their enrollment numbers.

            I bet Whooter is happy about that!  :D

            no wonder he keeps posting "It'll be interesting to see how this turns out!"
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: AuntieEm2 on November 11, 2009, 02:11:42 PM
            Quote
            Plus the relocation expenses are tax deductable because it was caused by the State of Oregon (not Aspen), which helps with the transitional costs.
            The GAO investigation--the forensic investigation of programs conducted by the United States Government Accountability Office--documented programs giving out false and deceptive information to parents about tax deductibility of tuition and program expenses. Those cases were referred to the IRS for prosecution.  

            Auntie Em
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Whooter on November 11, 2009, 02:21:55 PM
            Quote from: "AuntieEm2"
            Quote
            Plus the relocation expenses are tax deductable because it was caused by the State of Oregon (not Aspen), which helps with the transitional costs.
            The GAO investigation--the forensic investigation of programs conducted by the United States Government Accountability Office--documented programs giving out false and deceptive information to parents about tax deductibility of tuition and program expenses. Those cases were referred to the IRS for prosecution.  

            Auntie Em

            Most of the parents dont do their own taxes.  They have an accountant do them.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Ursus on November 11, 2009, 02:23:07 PM
            Quote from: "Inculcated"
            So, the step away from the encounter/marathon methods for ASR was an embrace of the psychodramatic methods of a Dr. Moreno who married the sister of one of his patients and incorporated his wife into her sister’s treatment plan…and (his wife) Zerka Toeman  who heard voices and believed herself to be psychically connected to certain individuals? That’s the Zerka of the quintessential Zerka…?
            We don't know if Academy of Swift River actually "stepped away," just that they were considering modifications.

            Dr. Jacob Moreno (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_L._Moreno), of course, was the founder of psychodrama, which figures heavily in the actual foundation of Lifesteps. Some of those workshops were designed to be marathon psychodramas. And yes, we are talking about the same Zerka Moreno.

            Co-editor of The Quintessential Zerka: Writings by Zerka T. Moreno on Psychodrama, Sociometry and Group Psychotherapy is none other than Edward J. Schreiber, who was also the co-host (along with ASR's Frank Bartolomeo) of that aforementioned 2006 workshop (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29113&start=120#p350568) addressing/suggesting a "more judicious application of expressive therapies." Schreiber is also co-director of Moreno Institute East (http://http://www.morenoinstituteeast.org/), located in Hadley or Northampton, Massachusetts, in ASR's backyard, more or less.

            Interestingly enough, Moreno Institute East was founded in 2004, right around the same time Frank Bartolomeo left McLean for ASR.

            It is no accident that ASR is Mount Bachelor's "sister school." It goes way beyond MBA giving ASR a helping hand in the latter's founding days.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: AuntieEm2 on November 11, 2009, 02:40:35 PM
            Quote from: "Guest"
            Quote from: "AuntieEm2"
            Quote
            Plus the relocation expenses are tax deductable because it was caused by the State of Oregon (not Aspen), which helps with the transitional costs.
            The GAO investigation--the forensic investigation of programs conducted by the United States Government Accountability Office--documented programs giving out false and deceptive information to parents about tax deductibility of tuition and program expenses. Those cases were referred to the IRS for prosecution.  

            Auntie Em

            Most of the parents dont do their own taxes.  They have an accountant do them.
            Doesn't matter who does the taxes, the taxpayer is responsible. But we digress.

            Here is the link to the GAO report, entitled "Residential Programs: Selected Cases of Death, Abuse, and Deceptive Marketing," from the GAO Office of Forensic Audits and Special Investigations: http://http://edlabor.house.gov/testimony/2008-04-24-GregKutz.pdf.

            Auntie Em
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: psy on November 11, 2009, 02:54:52 PM
            Quote from: "AuntieEm2"
            Quote from: "Guest"
            Quote from: "AuntieEm2"
            Quote
            Plus the relocation expenses are tax deductable because it was caused by the State of Oregon (not Aspen), which helps with the transitional costs.
            The GAO investigation--the forensic investigation of programs conducted by the United States Government Accountability Office--documented programs giving out false and deceptive information to parents about tax deductibility of tuition and program expenses. Those cases were referred to the IRS for prosecution.  

            Auntie Em

            Most of the parents dont do their own taxes.  They have an accountant do them.
            Doesn't matter who does the taxes, the taxpayer is responsible. But we digress.

            Here is the link to the GAO report, entitled "Residential Programs: Selected Cases of Death, Abuse, and Deceptive Marketing," from the GAO Office of Forensic Audits and Special Investigations: http://http://edlabor.house.gov/testimony/2008-04-24-GregKutz.pdf.

            Auntie Em

            Just for posterity...

            The full report is here:
            http://www.gao.gov/cgi-bin/getrpt?GAO-08-713T (http://www.gao.gov/cgi-bin/getrpt?GAO-08-713T)

            The video of the second hearing is here:
            http://edwork.edgeboss.net/wmedia/edwor ... 042408.wvx (http://edwork.edgeboss.net/wmedia/edwork/fc/fc042408.wvx)
            (includes Kat Whitehead's testimony about MBA).

            The first hearing's report is here (primarily regarding wilderness deaths):
            http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d08146t.pdf (http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d08146t.pdf)

            First hearing video here:
            http://edwork.edgeboss.net/wmedia/edwor ... 101007.asx (http://edwork.edgeboss.net/wmedia/edwork/fc/fc101007.asx)
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Whooter on November 11, 2009, 04:10:52 PM
            Quote from: "AuntieEm2"
            Quote from: "Guest"
            Quote from: "AuntieEm2"
            Quote
            Plus the relocation expenses are tax deductable because it was caused by the State of Oregon (not Aspen), which helps with the transitional costs.
            The GAO investigation--the forensic investigation of programs conducted by the United States Government Accountability Office--documented programs giving out false and deceptive information to parents about tax deductibility of tuition and program expenses. Those cases were referred to the IRS for prosecution.  

            Auntie Em

            Most of the parents dont do their own taxes.  They have an accountant do them.
            Doesn't matter who does the taxes, the taxpayer is responsible. But we digress.

            Here is the link to the GAO report, entitled "Residential Programs: Selected Cases of Death, Abuse, and Deceptive Marketing," from the GAO Office of Forensic Audits and Special Investigations: http://http://edlabor.house.gov/testimony/2008-04-24-GregKutz.pdf.

            Auntie Em

            Ultimately The tax payer is responsible to the government, but the accountant is on the hook for missing it in the tax code so the difference would be recoverable from them.  Most accountants make up the difference when it is their mistake, unless you are using someone like h&R Block, then you might be out of luck.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Anonymous on November 11, 2009, 06:02:48 PM
            Quote from: "psy"
            Just for posterity...

            The full report is here:
            http://www.gao.gov/cgi-bin/getrpt?GAO-08-713T (http://www.gao.gov/cgi-bin/getrpt?GAO-08-713T)

            The video of the second hearing is here:
            http://edwork.edgeboss.net/wmedia/edwor ... 042408.wvx (http://edwork.edgeboss.net/wmedia/edwork/fc/fc042408.wvx)
            (includes Kat Whitehead's testimony about MBA).

            The first hearing's report is here (primarily regarding wilderness deaths):
            http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d08146t.pdf (http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d08146t.pdf)

            First hearing video here:
            http://edwork.edgeboss.net/wmedia/edwor ... 101007.asx (http://edwork.edgeboss.net/wmedia/edwork/fc/fc101007.asx)
            Thank you Psy.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Troll Control on November 15, 2009, 07:44:52 AM
            :bump:

            Aspen Education's pedophile employees sexually exploit children for fun and profit.  Disgusting animals!
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Whooter on November 15, 2009, 08:13:45 AM
            :bump: These people devised the master plan to take down the Twin Towers.  Wait for the trial to begin and I will show you all I am right.  Their time is coming.

            Aspen Education's pedophile employees sexually exploit children for fun and profit.  Disgusting animals!



            Edited 1 time :November 15, 2009
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Troll Control on November 15, 2009, 11:36:00 AM
            Quote from: "Guest"
            :bump:

            Aspen Education's pedophile employees sexually exploit children for fun and profit.  Disgusting animals!

            This is true and was proven by Oregon DHS' investigation.  Aspen hires weak-minded, uneducated hicks so that they can get them to sexually exploit children as "therapy" and the hicks ask no questions because they have no idea what real therapy is.  They just implement Aspen's script of sexual humiliation of children.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Whooter on November 15, 2009, 12:27:46 PM
            Quote from: "Guest"
            :bump:

            Al Qaeda pedophile employees sexually exploit children for fun and profit.  Disgusting animals!

            This is true and was proven by Oregon DHS' investigation.  Al Qaeda hires weak-minded, uneducated hicks so that they can get them to sexually exploit children as "therapy" and the hicks ask no questions because they have no idea what real therapy is.  They just implement Al Qaeda script of sexual humiliation of children.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Whooter on November 15, 2009, 12:36:53 PM
            Quote from: "Guest"
            Quote from: "Guest"
            :bump:

            Al Qaeda pedophile employees sexually exploit children for fun and profit.  Disgusting animals!

            This is true and was proven by Oregon DHS' investigation.  Al Qaeda hires weak-minded, uneducated hicks so that they can get them to sexually exploit children as "therapy" and the hicks ask no questions because they have no idea what real therapy is.  They just implement Al Qaeda script of sexual humiliation of children.

            Ha,Ha,Ha  Thats funny!
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Troll Control on November 15, 2009, 12:48:34 PM
            Quote from: "Guest"
            Quote from: "Guest"
            :bump:

            Aspen Education's pedophile employees sexually exploit children for fun and profit.  Disgusting animals!

            This is true and was proven by Oregon DHS' investigation.  Aspen hires weak-minded, uneducated hicks so that they can get them to sexually exploit children as "therapy" and the hicks ask no questions because they have no idea what real therapy is.  They just implement Aspen's script of sexual humiliation of children.

            Wow, you are one sick fuck, Whooter.  Child abuse is NOT funny!
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Whooter on November 15, 2009, 12:51:52 PM
            Quote from: "Guest"
            Quote from: "Guest"
            Quote from: "Guest"
            :bump:

            Aspen Education's pedophile employees sexually exploit children for fun and profit.  Disgusting animals!

            This is true and was proven by Oregon DHS' investigation.  Aspen hires weak-minded, uneducated hicks so that they can get them to sexually exploit children as "therapy" and the hicks ask no questions because they have no idea what real therapy is.  They just implement Aspen's script of sexual humiliation of children.

            Wow, you are one sick fuck, Whooter.  Child abuse is NOT funny!

            That was me imitating whooter because I know he would find that post funny.  I think we can all agree on that.  Ha,Ha,Ha
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Troll Control on November 15, 2009, 12:54:44 PM
            Why would anyone find child abuse funny?  That's sick.

            This program was shut down by the state for it!
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Whooter on November 15, 2009, 01:05:50 PM
            Quote from: "Guest"
            Why would anyone find child abuse funny?  That's sick.

            This program was shut down by the state for it!

            Thewho would, thats for sure. He has no compassion and I am filling in for him to show people this fact.  Ha,Ha,Ha
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Troll Control on November 15, 2009, 02:25:13 PM
            He definitely supports child abuse becaue he's always trying to bury stories about Aspen programs killing and abusing kids, but he can't because the newspapers and TV stations have been carrying the stories of the two Aspen shitholes closed down in Oregon for abuse, neglect and murder of children.  EPIC FAIL, Whooter.  And every time he troll-posts these threads, they rise higher in a google search about Aspen.  Win-Win.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Whooter on November 15, 2009, 02:27:48 PM
            He definitely supports child abuse becaue he's always trying to bury stories about Al Qaeda programs killing and abusing kids, but he can't because the newspapers and TV stations have been carrying the stories of the two Al Qaeda shitholes closed down in Oregon for abuse, neglect and murder of children.  EPIC FAIL, Whooter.  And every time he troll-posts these threads, they rise higher in a google search about Aspen.  Win-Win.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Troll Control on November 15, 2009, 02:47:00 PM
            Quote from: "RMA Survivor"
            Oregon shut it down!

            http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/inde ... om_sc.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2009/11/state_suspends_license_from_sc.html)

            One down, many to go.

            Bye bye, MBA. Good riddance!  Shut down for child abuse.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Anonymous on November 15, 2009, 02:48:57 PM
            Finally someone gets the connection between Aspen and Al Qaeda!  Aspen, the program of hope (and a big pile of dead bodies)




            http://www.thereligionofpeace.com (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com)
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Whooter on November 15, 2009, 03:46:20 PM
            Finally someone gets the Al Qaeda  program of hope (and a big pile of dead bodies)




            http://www.thereligionofpeace.com (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com)
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Troll Control on November 15, 2009, 04:02:08 PM
            Quote from: "Guest"
            Quote from: "RMA Survivor"
            Oregon shut it down!

            http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/inde ... om_sc.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2009/11/state_suspends_license_from_sc.html)

            One down, many to go.

            Bye bye, MBA. Good riddance!  Shut down for child abuse.

            Back on topic.  Psy, I thought TheWho was not supposed to be flooding, but here is flooding at least three threads today.  You haven't banned this spammer for what reason now?
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Troll Control on November 16, 2009, 07:01:50 PM
            Quote from: "RMA Survivor"
            Oregon shut it down!

            http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/inde ... om_sc.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2009/11/state_suspends_license_from_sc.html)

            One down, many to go.

            It's about time.  This place has been sexually exploiting and abusing kids for a loooong time, like the rest of Aspen's programs.  They all need to be investigated and shut down.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Troll Control on November 18, 2009, 06:21:03 PM
            Quote from: "Guest"
            Quote from: "RMA Survivor"
            Oregon shut it down!

            http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/inde ... om_sc.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2009/11/state_suspends_license_from_sc.html)

            One down, many to go.

            It's about time.  This place has been sexually exploiting and abusing kids for a loooong time, like the rest of Aspen's programs.  They all need to be investigated and shut down.

            I'm amazed that this abusive Aspen facility was finally shut down.  They have been investigated for years and found to be abusing kids, but this is the first time the said they wouldn't change their behavior, so the state forcibly closed their doors, as it should have a long time ago.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Troll Control on November 18, 2009, 09:11:06 PM
            It's very revealing that when Oregon DHS officials told Aspen they had to either behave legally or close that Aspen chose to close.  They never behaved within the law and abused a lot of kids and they never had the intention of complying with any laws either.
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: AuntieEm2 on November 19, 2009, 09:27:25 AM
            Beware how educational consultants now seem to be dealing with the bad press Aspen is receiving from Oregon to Texas. They're painting Aspen programs as "bad apples," and shifting their loyalties to other brands of programs. They did the same thing, I understand, when the WAASP schools were under fire, asserting that WAASP schools were the exception to the rule, just a few bad apples ruining the reputation of an otherwise trustworthy industry--and so therefore you needed to send your kid to a reputable program like one run by the Aspen corporate group. Ha. Look how that turned out for these unfortunate kids and their families. When will the educational consultants face the truth that the whole "therapeutic" model is rotten?

            Auntie Em
            Title: Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
            Post by: Ursus on November 19, 2009, 10:57:06 AM
            Quote from: "AuntieEm2"
            Beware how educational consultants now seem to be dealing with the bad press Aspen is receiving from Oregon to Texas. They're painting Aspen programs as "bad apples," and shifting their loyalties to other brands of programs. They did the same thing, I understand, when the WAASP schools were under fire, asserting that WAASP schools were the exception to the rule, just a few bad apples ruining the reputation of an otherwise trustworthy industry--and so therefore you needed to send your kid to a reputable program like one run by the Aspen corporate group. Ha. Look how that turned out for these unfortunate kids and their families. When will the educational consultants face the truth that the whole "therapeutic" model is rotten?

            Auntie Em
            I'm just waiting for Malcolm or Joe Gauld to jump in with an opinion piece about "what Aspen did wrong" and "why Hyde School is the better choice" ... much like Joe did (http://http://www.strugglingteens.com/news/lettertoeditor/fix_parents050415.html) when CEDU / Brown Schools folded.  :rofl: