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Thayer Learning Center / ex employees
« on: June 15, 2006, 10:13:00 AM »
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On 2006-06-14 03:25:00, cadet_cheung wrote:

"we only went to the bathroom like 6 times a day and drink like 4 shitload canteens of water, majority of the girls pee-d on themselves anyways and at the point we'd rather pee on ourselves then get everyone smoked, it was like they were all you got there. Oh yea those brown couches and stupid cushions with owls on them( if you still had them) were pee-d on by god knows how many people. "


so this was pretty much the norm?  kids having to urinate on themselves?  I thought maybe they used it as a tactic with my son because they were aware that he had a bladder condition.

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Thayer Learning Center / ex employees
« on: June 15, 2006, 10:12:00 AM »
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On 2006-06-13 13:59:00, Anonymous wrote:

"O.k. I think this is lame with you two arguing about this...How bout this, your both right.  

A cadet is put into a place by thier parents without a choice. (so that makes it the parents fault.) The smoke sessions are orginized by TLC. (so that makes it TLC's fault)The cadet could not control the situation, so thus the parents and TLC are to blame. We see your piont.

On the other hand when the cadet is placed in that situation they then have a limited number of options but then agian there are options still the same. so they make a CHOICE They can do what they are told and deal. Or they disobey and get everyone else smoked until they deside to participate.

So all in all it is everyone's fault.

The parents for sending them their in the first place. TLC's for making up the stupid rules. And then the Cadet's for not following them. No matter how unreasonable they may be.

And by the way I would rather pee on myself then get everyone else smoked and be hated by the intire bootcamp...being hated in that invirnment is not the wisest place to be."


thank you.  that was my exact point.  my son agreed with you, he chose to urinate on himself so the team wouldnt get smoked.  i admire him for that.

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Thayer Learning Center / ex employees
« on: June 15, 2006, 10:11:00 AM »
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On 2006-02-16 04:27:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-02-14 06:33:00, tlcrescue My son had a CHOICE to either go to the bathroom and allow the other cadet's to be smoked, or to urinate on himself and subject only himself to being smoked.



That's not a choice. At all.



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it may not be a choice that someone agrees with but, yes it is a choice. Per Websters, the definition for choice: The act of choosing; selection.

Selection:
(1) go to bathroom, team gets smoked; or
(2) urinate on myself, I get smoked

THAT is a choice.  Maybe it isn't a choice that you like, but it is a choice.  So based on the selection you make either the individual or the team gets smoked.

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Thayer Learning Center / ex employees
« on: June 15, 2006, 10:05:00 AM »
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On 2006-02-13 20:35:00, AtomicAnt wrote:

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i'm not into all those psychology crap...when eidsor did what she should have, we didnt get smoked and when she didnt, we did. it was her fault, not my parents, or stupid loser adults...it was cheryl eidsor.



Simple logical question. Why should you have been smoked for another cadet's misbehavior? You can never be responsible for another's actions. The reason is solely that those in charge said so. That is all. Nothing more to it. The 'group consequences rule' is just a stupid rule and the only people who buy it are stupid people, or those with a sadistic agenda. It does not help any individual grow. It only helps to break an individual's will.



Here's a news flash. 'Smoking' children is flat out child abuse. Period. No exceptions. No excuses. No responsible adult would ever engage in this sort of behavior."


I do agree that it is wrong, it is one of many reasons I chose to pull my son out  But, as I clearly outlined above, one's actions can determine whether the rest of the group gets smoked as a result of their actions/choices.  My son's situation is a prime example.  If he went to the bathroom, the group got smoked, if he urinated on himself, he got smoked alone.  So, what did he do?  He chose to urinate on himself so that the others would not have to endure a smoking because of his physical ailment.  So, it is blatantly obvious that one can make a "choice" when it comes to involving the group as a whole in the smoking session.

Other instances that cause a smoking session for the entire group is a cadet arguing with a DS, or refusing to exercise.  This is how Thayer works.  They try to use peer pressure.  If you don't do what you are supposed to do, they punish the others so that the others get mad at the non-performing cadet and make the non-performing cadet work.  I don't agree with that method, but that is the method they use.  So, if the non-performing does not want the group to get smoked, they are expected to perform.  Again, that is a CHOICE.  The cadet can either (1) not perform and allow the others to be smoked or (2) perform and the others dont get smoked.  Like it or not, that is the policy at Thayer, and the cadets DO have a choice when it comes to that.  Now, it may not be a choice they like, but it is a choice nonetheless.

I AM IN NO WAY ENCOURAGING OR ADVOCATING SMOKING SESSIONS!  I DO NOT AGREE WITH THEM!  I THINK THEY ARE WRONG!  I AM SIMPLY TRYING TO POINT OUT HOW ONE'S ACTOINS CAUSES OTHERS TO BE SMOKED.

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Thayer Learning Center / ex employees
« on: June 15, 2006, 10:01:00 AM »
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On 2006-02-13 11:50:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-02-13 11:45:00, tlcrescue wrote:


"sorry, but sometimes it is other cadets fault that people get smoked.  When my son was there, he had a bladder problem, requiring him to urinate frequently.  But, they don't allow very many bathroom breaks while in cadet status (dont know about higher levels). When he would ask to go, they would tell him he could go, but that when he returned from the bathroom, the rest of the cadets would get a 2 hour smoke session while he stood by and watched.  My son wasn't going to let that happen, so rather than go to the bathroom and allow the other cadets be punished for him going, he chose to urinate on himself, which, of course, led to him getting smoked instead.  Some people may not have chosen that route, they may have chosen to go to the bathroom (or whatever their current circumstance was)."




How do you figure that would be the other cadets' fault?  That's Thayer's policy and the staff enforcing it.  No way in hell that the other cadets have ANY control over that."


yes, it is apparently their policy.  but as i clearly stated, the cadet (my son) had a "choice" he could go to the bathroom allowing the others to be smoked, or he could urinate on himself, resulting in himself being smoked.  That is a CHOICE he made.  So that others would not have been smoked, he chose to urinate on himself.  But, had he chose to go to the bathroom, the others would have been smoked, hence, they other cadets are being smoked because of the choice he made.  Believe me, I am in no way advocating what they did.  I do not agree with this place, and to the contrary pulled my son out after only 1 week when I realized what was going on there.  My only point is that everyone has a choice in situations.  Your choice or "action" has a reaction.

Another example is that one kid got caught stealing food while my son was there.  The result was that the whole group got smoked over it.  Had the boy chosen not to steal the food (and I am sure he was pretty hungry, or he wouldn't have stolen it), the whole group would not have been smoked.  See my point here?  I am not saying it is right, but I am saying that a smoking session can be the result of a cadet's choice they make.

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Thayer Learning Center / Miss Dorothy in charge of the medical needs at tlc
« on: March 22, 2006, 09:51:00 AM »
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On 2006-03-18 18:28:00, Anonymous wrote:

"lmfao she only takes a real concern if its swollen or look weird i know from experience "


if that is truly the case, then why was my son's fractured ankle (which was very obviously swollen) ignored?  When he complained about it, he was told to suck it up.  When I picked him and saw his ankle, I was completely shocked that they not only refused him medical treatment, but forced him to continue to exercise on it.  The other ankle was also swollen, though not as bad as the fractured one, from sprain....most likely trying to overcomopensate and use the "good" ankle to try to avoid pain on the fractured one.  So now we have two swollen ankles that are completely ignored, despite several (including in writing) requests to see a doctor.

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Thayer Learning Center / ex employees
« on: February 14, 2006, 09:33:00 AM »
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On 2006-02-13 11:50:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-02-13 11:45:00, tlcrescue wrote:


"sorry, but sometimes it is other cadets fault that people get smoked.  When my son was there, he had a bladder problem, requiring him to urinate frequently.  But, they don't allow very many bathroom breaks while in cadet status (dont know about higher levels). When he would ask to go, they would tell him he could go, but that when he returned from the bathroom, the rest of the cadets would get a 2 hour smoke session while he stood by and watched.  My son wasn't going to let that happen, so rather than go to the bathroom and allow the other cadets be punished for him going, he chose to urinate on himself, which, of course, led to him getting smoked instead.  Some people may not have chosen that route, they may have chosen to go to the bathroom (or whatever their current circumstance was)."




How do you figure that would be the other cadets' fault?  That's Thayer's policy and the staff enforcing it.  No way in hell that the other cadets have ANY control over that."


Yes, apparently that is Thayer's policy.  However, the cadet still DOES have a choice as I clearly pointed out above.  My son had a CHOICE to either go to the bathroom and allow the other cadet's to be smoked, or to urinate on himself and subject only himself to being smoked.  When other cadet's get smoked because of the behavior of one cadet, that is a choice, the cadet that incurred the behavior that resulted in the "smoking session" had a choice.  Now, that is not to say I agree with their smoking session policy, I personally think it is ridiculous, but regardless it is still a choice.

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Thayer Learning Center / i was in TLC
« on: February 13, 2006, 02:47:00 PM »
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On 2006-02-07 07:09:00, Concerned Parent wrote:

"I have a child at Thayer and I am very concerned about his safety. I do know that when talking to another child you lose all respect when you lower yourself to their level by talking like you do. I can't believe you want to push your agenda and talk to a child like you have. I have a feeling your from Thayer and don't have a child there at all. Thayer thinks they are so smart but they are about to go down."


sorry, but I have to ask.  If you truly are "concerned" why are you allowing your child to stay there?  If I was the least bit concerned about my child's safety, I wouldn't allow him to stay there and, in fact, I didn't.  When I became concerned for my son's safety, I made the decision to drive up and pull him out.

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Thayer Learning Center / ex employees
« on: February 13, 2006, 02:45:00 PM »
sorry, but sometimes it is other cadets fault that people get smoked.  When my son was there, he had a bladder problem, requiring him to urinate frequently.  But, they don't allow very many bathroom breaks while in cadet status (dont know about higher levels). When he would ask to go, they would tell him he could go, but that when he returned from the bathroom, the rest of the cadets would get a 2 hour smoke session while he stood by and watched.  My son wasn't going to let that happen, so rather than go to the bathroom and allow the other cadets be punished for him going, he chose to urinate on himself, which, of course, led to him getting smoked instead.  Some people may not have chosen that route, they may have chosen to go to the bathroom (or whatever their current circumstance was).

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Thayer Learning Center / i was in TLC
« on: February 06, 2006, 02:17:00 PM »
cute name!   :rofl:

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On 2006-01-30 19:50:00, Helena Handbasket wrote:

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On 2006-01-30 19:49:00, AtomicAnt wrote:


"They all ran like cockroaches for the shadows when the kitchen light is turned on."




Oh no.. the LIGHT! Not the LIGHT!!!!!!

Don't worry about temptation--as you grow older, it starts avoiding you.  
-- Old Farmer's Almanac

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Thayer Learning Center / i was in TLC
« on: January 24, 2006, 09:58:00 AM »
try checking out a website called http://www.difficult.net

I bought the book and it is very interesting reading, and has some very non-traditional ways to getting through the "out of control teen", just as the book describes.  Unfortuntely, teens that have become out of control, in reality, are that way because parents allowed them to be.  Once the teen gets to this level, traditional methods no longer work.  The most important thing in trying to keep your teen on the right path is to let them know there is a consequence (whether good or bad) for every action.  You have to put in place the consequences that work for your teen, and not every same consequence will work the same for every teen.  Simply abusing a teen mentally, forced exercise, and denial of simple privileges such as food and bathroom is not the way to correct one's misbehavior.  Even in the real world, parents have an OBLIGATION to provide adequate food and shelter for their child, without subjecting them to harm.

PLEASE do not consider sending your child to a boot camp, TLC or otherwise.  With time and commitment, you CAN correct the misbehaviors of your teen.  But, you have to be willing to stay the course.  The behaviors were not learned over night, nor will they be corrected over night. Once you have made the decision to correct the misbehaviors, you have to stay the course and don't back down, no matter how hard it gets emotionally. Believe it or not, if you follow recommendations such as they outline in the book, things WILL get better.  Mind you, they will probably get worse before they get better, because you have taken the control away from your teenager, and are regaining control of your household.  No one likes to give up control, but a teenager does not need to be in control of the household, they don't know how to be, even though they think they do.  They just need to be kids, and let us parents be in control of the household.  Once you have managed to regain control, your teen will not be spending so much of their time and energy trying to keep that control, and will be free to live their life as a normal teenager should, and will find they, as well as you, are MUCH happier!  I will be happy to discuss with anyone some of the methods we have used.  

After I removed my son from TLC, I made many excuses and allowances for him because I felt guilty of what I let him endure while at TLC.  Eventually that guilt took over our household.  My son was not a violent child, drug user, gang member, or ever even in trouble with the law when I sent him to TLC.  I have seen the error of my ways by (1) sending him to TLC; and (2) feeling guilty over it.  After putting those feelings aside, and dealing with issues that have come up since his release (using methods as outlined in the book), the transformation has been amazing!

I would be more than happy to discuss this with any parent that would like more information, or to simply find out how it worked for us.

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Thayer Learning Center / Miss Dorothy in charge of the medical needs at tlc
« on: January 24, 2006, 09:43:00 AM »
I don't know how Missouri law works, but in Texas they have a statute called "respondeat superior" which basically says the employer is responsible for the actions of the employee when the employee is acting under their employment.  Which means, ultimately TLC would be responsible for the acts or omissions of its employee (in this case, the nurse).  You can sue Ms. Dorothy all you want, but what you get, if you prevail, is a piece of paper called a "Judgment".  Following that is the hardest part, you have to be able to "collect" on the Judgment.  Unfortunately, if the individual has no assets or money, that Judgment is not worth any more than the paper it is printed on.

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Thayer Learning Center / i was in TLC
« on: January 18, 2006, 01:00:00 PM »
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On 2006-01-18 09:02:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I know people will hate me for this but I agree with the Smoke Sessions and with the amount of exercising the cadets have to do.



Is there something particular you have in mind?"


I have to ask, how intimately are you familar with the "smoke sessions" and how much exercising they do?  Do you agree that that 18 hours of exercising a day is appropriate?  While some individuals may be able to handle that (not many I presume), not everyone can handle it the same way, especially in the beginning.  How can they expect someone who has never exercised in their life to exercise 18 hours a day?  Especially an overweight person.  Are you familiar with rhabdomyolysis?  Do you know that over-exertion (i.e. TOO MUCH exercise) can cause this condition and ultimately kill you if not discovered and treated?

Rhabdomyolysis is the breakdown of muscle fibers with leakage of potentially toxic cellular contents into the systemic circulation. The final common pathway of rhabdomyolysis may be a disturbance in myocyte calcium homeostasis.

(1) Severe exertion such as marathon running or calisthenics
(2) Ischemia or necrosis of the muscles (as may occur with arterial occlusion, deep venous thrombosis, or other conditions)
(3) Seizures
Use or overdose of drugs-especially cocaine, amphetamines, statins, heroin, or PCP
(4) Trauma
(5) Shaking chills
(6) Heat intolerance and/or heatstroke
(7) Alcoholism (with subsequent muscle tremors)
(8)Low phosphate levels

Interesting that Roberto Reyes died of this very disease (and if you don't believe me, I have the autopsy report).  Of course, it is presume that this was caused by a "spider bite", however the autopsy report shows no indication on the body of a spider bite...it is mere speculation.  The autopsy report DOES show the multiple contusions and bruises he suffered

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Thayer Learning Center / i was in TLC
« on: January 18, 2006, 12:50:00 PM »
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On 2006-01-18 09:05:00, Anonymous wrote:

"What are smoke sessions?  



I'm interested in the entirety of the treatment model.  The philosophy of TLC.  I'd like to hear from someone who actually worked there what they think it is and their thoughts on it how effective it is."


smoke sessions are where they basically exercise the child until they literally collapse from exhaustion.  For example, one may be forced to do pushups for several hours on end and if you refuse or you stop, they will become even more harsh on you.  There are many others ways of "smoking" someone, but this is just one example of many.  There are a variety of things that will cause you to get "smoked", some of the least offensive being (and these are examples only, and not limitations):(1) urinating on yourself/your bed (and this occurs because you have been denied bathroom privileges); (2) sharing/stealing food (and of course, this occurs because you have not been adequately fed).  Get the gist of it?

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Thayer Learning Center / i was in TLC
« on: January 18, 2006, 12:45:00 PM »
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On 2006-01-18 08:51:00, Anonymous wrote:

"As I said before we had some Sergeants that weren't the best.  There were a few times that I saw a Sergeant step in front of a cadet that was trying to hurry back to his room.  I talked to the Sergeant and got on his case for that.  He stopped.

I did see some other things go on there but I tried to put a stop to as much as I could.  When I say other things I don't mean HUGE things.  At least that I saw personally.

Not all of the Sergeants at Thayer were Assholes."


you are right.  not all of them may have mistreated the students.  But the fact that it continues to happen to this day, and it hasn't stopped, tends to lead toward the theory that whoever is ultimately in charge KNOWS that it happens and does nothing to stop it.  That in itself is wrong!  Plus, if they are having this many problems with instructors, they obviously need to screen a little better before they put someone in charge of students like that.  I understand that the whole point is to teach the children a lesson, so to speak, but that doesn't mean you intentionally physically harm them, deny them privileges like the ability to use the restroom, deny them food, force them to sleep in their own urine/escrement, force them to work in the snow without adequate protection, "smoke them" because one person got out of line, take them down because you "feel like it", deny them medical care when it is absolutely necessary.  I could go on and on, but I will stop for now.  There are proper ways to handle situations.  One does not need to abuse someone to get them to reach your main objective.  Abusing them only works temporarily as it instills fear in them, but eventually abuse will come back to haunt them and cause damage to them in the long run.

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