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Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: ConstentGardener on December 04, 2006, 12:51:20 PM
A request:


On this thread:

SUE SCHEFF and ISABELLE ZENDHER (PURE, CAICA, WWASP lawsuit)

And possibly others, someone is posting historical letters written from Sue Scheff to various WWASPS persons. They involve the founding of PURE; Rejection by Discovery grads; her gratitude to Randal Hinton, among other subjects.

It seems to me such material deserves its own thread.

I am requesting whomever has this material consider posting it here as well. It might be worth while to keep comments to a minimum. Perhaps comment on the other threads. This may help keep the material more organized and accessible. Just a thought. People will do as they please, I am sure.
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2006, 12:58:07 PM
Excellent idea!
Title: Sue Scheff Historical Document #1
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2006, 06:34:54 PM
------Original Message------
From: Kevin Richey
To: Ken Kay
Date: August 17, 2001
Subject: Sue Scheff

The last contact I had with Sue was 8 18 (sic 16) she emailed a lead to me. In our last conversation probably last week July she said she thought our programs were good but that our Seminars were terrible. She said she would continue to send referrals to me for Majestic Ranch as she didn't have any other resources for younger kids 7-12. She said she had placed 8 kids that week in Red Cliff or Red Rock not sure which. She asked me to manipulate the referral system and give 2 referrals to her so she wouldn't have to pay Diane Luchetto for 2 referrals that she somehow received from her. She said she had given Diane about 12 referrals. I told her that I couldn't change that information in our computer system and that I didn't feel right about doing it if I could.

Kevin Richey
Teen Help
Admission's Coordinator
Title: Sue Scheff Historical Document #2
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2006, 06:39:33 PM
-----Original-----

Lisa Irvin

From: Sue
To: Lisa Irving
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001
Subject: Hi Lisa?.

I have been contacted by a parent here in Ft. Lauderdale that says they (several program parents) want me & Ashlyn to attend support meetings here. However, Randall stated to me that Lynn claimed that many parents ?don?t want Ashlyn and myself?. At the the time I didn?t want the list of parents that don?t want me, however, after this parent just called me, they (program parents) are requesting the list and so am I.

Please have Lynn forward the list of parents that are not welcoming me and my daughter to meetings and Discovery Graduations. I don?t expect to hear ?confidential statements? here, since they should not be ashamed of their decission. I am also in the process of getting a manual from another support group leader, that she states, ?we are welcome?.

I do know for a fact, Lori and Ashley Neuman attend these meetings, and Ashley, like Ashlyn did NOT graduate.

Thank you Lisa, for your time and support in the above matter. I also want to take this opportunity to thank you for supporting many parents that I have worked with on their referrals. I don?t believe I ever sent you the final newsletter about my venture with public service?.. It is below for you to read. I believe it says it all, as far as my support for the program, however mostly ?bringing families back togethers??..

Sincerely,
Sue Scheff ? please read below? this was sent to many WWASP parents dated January 2001.

Hello Referral Team??.

Long time, I know. Many of you already know that my daughter has come home after 6 months at CSA. Her transformation is nothing short of a miracle. She is doing fantastic! I believe the program has saved her life along with God guiding us. I know many of you are thinking, ?wow, she didn?t graduate?, no she didn?t. I am a firm believer that God made us all different and that was not a mistake. Many children need the complete program, and I do encourage graduation. However, I recognize that every child was sent with different issues. Some more severe than others.

Ashlyn, my daughter, was not a ?bad? child for years. Quite the contrary. She was on the National Gymnastics Team, has awards and trophies from all over the country, and had always been a parents ?dream? child. However, at age 13, during a practice, she broke her foot in 5 places. One of the worse breaks possible. With this, she continued to train for 6 months ?in the cast?! Her self-esteem went so far down, we couldn?t see it. Finally, on Mother?s Day 1999, she announced to me she was quitting gymnastics! I was devastated, but respected her wishes.

Now at age 14, she wanted to try to ?fit in? with the ?normal? teens. My first mistake, she convinced me to let her try public school. She had never been. That was the worse 2 months of my life. She became involved with Wicca, (witchcraft), and eventually was withdrawn from my Christian beliefs, didn?t believe in God, and was spiraling downward. I immediately put her back into private school, however she would come home to ?hang? with the public school peers.

When I stepped back and analyzed the situation, I discovered I need to make a drastic decision. Ashlyn had lived in a ?glass house? for so many years with her gymnastics, now the house was shattered. With this, I surfed the net for hours/days?.. looking for help. As you all know, she ended up at CSA. The best decision I have ever made! I believe God had his hand in it all the way.

Ashlyn is successfully coaching gymnastics at a local gym she where her career started. Her Team girls just love her and she loves them back. She has brought her tools from the program to enhance her coaching skills. She is by far, one of the best coaches there. The love and joy thaqt is seen on Ashlyn when she is coaching is a sight I hadn?t seen in over a year. God lead Ashlyn exactly where she was needed. Only he added extra steps in between to even make her better. She will be returning to her private school on Jan. 29th for a second semester.

Wow, have I bored you yet?? it is leading to my reason for writing?..

Last year at this time I was completely falling apart with a daughter into Wicca. I never thought life would be the same. I would look up and say ?why me, what did I do wrong to create this?? I am a single parent raising 2 children and was doing my best, then this hit me with a ton of bricks. Last year, you couldn?t tell me that anything good could come from this. How??????..if it wasn?t for all the darkness, the new light wouldn?t be shining through?? I welcome all you to my new business:

P.U.R.E. Inc., - Parents Universal Referral Experts, Inc. ? God knew exactly what He was doing all along. Only I couldn?t see it at the time. When I decided to take this leap, I never imagined what was in store for me. My first sign was when we were looking for office space, I came across a small sign in a window next to my friends office. It said ?For Rent?. Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine I would be sharing space with a ?Juvenile Criminal Attorney?! That was God letting me know we are on the right road. Then when I contacted the phone company, our toll free number ends in PURE?.. now what were those chances???? Our logo, which you will see on our web-site, is a Dove with a branch?. ?bringing families back together?. A dove is a symbol of love, and this dream was created from love. Our web-site is www.HelpYourTeens.com (http://www.HelpYourTeens.com) Please check it out?..it should be done by Feb 1st- 5th. So far it is looking fantastic! God lead us to a great web-site Designer.

My partner in this venture, is Sandra Atkins. She has been a friend for many years and is a beautiful Christian woman. We have been looking for a business to open for the past 3 years, however, always hit road blocks. She went through a divorce, and I was having my own problems. Sandra has her Master?s Degree in business, along with a General Contractor?s License. She is also a single mother of 3 children. Her knowledge and intelligence combined with my first hand experience will compliment each other to make PURE Inc. a great success. We plan on expanding our horizons by also referring to Private Schools, Learning Centers and Military Schools. That, of course, is our goal for the future. Right now, we are concentrating on helping parents with their struggling teens.

I want to thank you for your encouraging letters, your kindness and your gratitude. I have spoken to many of you personally and have enjoyed assisting you all with getting referrals. When you see our web-site, please feel free to send your comments or suggestions. Also call me if you need any help with the referrals. I know many of you have requested copies of my letters that I sent to schools and doctors offices about the program. During this time of moving into our new office, I am totally swamped. Please re-send me your fax numbers and I will forward them to you as soon as possible.

I am always a phone call or e-mail away and I will always keep you in my prayers.

I would like to than Randall Hinton, at Teen Help, for all his support and time with my referrals and with the parents on this team. Also Diane Lucchetto, Mary Golley and Cindy Day, who inspired me to be my best and take that leap. Included is Kathi Colton, who added the web-site idea to many parents, and is constantly helping them through the steps. Rhonda Nemechek & June Gowing who gave me the encouragement to go forward. Most of all I thank God, for guiding me and allowing me to touch you all and the many to follow. I kept ignoring His calling, however, when I stepped left and ?listened??.. P.U.R.E. Inc. was created!

Let?s end as we always do?.. ?Prayerize, Visualize, Actualize?! Go help others?.please ?Pay it Forward? and share all my ideas with other new parents?.if any one needs back issues of my ?ideas:, please let me?..

With loving prayers and gratitude,
Sue Scheff
Title: Re: Sue Scheff Historical Document #1
Post by: Anonymous on December 08, 2006, 05:15:11 PM
Quote from: ""Document #1""
------Original Message------
From: Kevin Richey
To: Ken Kay
Date: August 17, 2001
Subject: Sue Scheff

The last contact I had with Sue was 8 18 (sic 16) she emailed a lead to me. In our last conversation probably last week July she said she thought our programs were good but that our Seminars were terrible. She said she would continue to send referrals to me for Majestic Ranch as she didn't have any other resources for younger kids 7-12. She said she had placed 8 kids that week in Red Cliff or Red Rock not sure which. She asked me to manipulate the referral system and give 2 referrals to her so she wouldn't have to pay Diane Luchetto for 2 referrals that she somehow received from her. She said she had given Diane about 12 referrals. I told her that I couldn't change that information in our computer system and that I didn't feel right about doing it if I could.

Kevin Richey
Teen Help
Admission's Coordinator


In 2005, Isabelle Zehnder wrote an in-depth investigative report about Majestic Ranch, a privately owned and unlicensed residential facility in Randolph, Utah.
 
You can read this report here:
 
http://web.archive.org/web/200504072144 ... s-new.html (http://web.archive.org/web/20050407214430/www.kidsincaptivity.com/whats-new.html)
 
Curious if Isabelle has seen this email and if so, how she reconciles it with the findings of her investigative report on Majestic Ranch, a facility whose conditions she calls "deplorable"?  

????
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on December 08, 2006, 05:52:55 PM
Oops, posted link wrong.  Try this one:

http://web.archive.org/web/200504072144 ... s-new.html (http://web.archive.org/web/20050407214430/www.kidsincaptivity.com/whats-new.html)
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on December 08, 2006, 05:57:46 PM
Wrong again.  There's no L in the htm.

http://web.archive.org/web/200504072144 ... ts-new.htm (http://web.archive.org/web/20050407214430/www.kidsincaptivity.com/whats-new.htm)
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on December 08, 2006, 06:37:08 PM
ISAC has an extensive file on this program for those who may not be familiar with this program and it's history.

http://www.isaccorp.org/majesticranchacademy.asp (http://www.isaccorp.org/majesticranchacademy.asp)
Title: Re: Sue Scheff Historical Document #2
Post by: Anonymous on December 08, 2006, 07:31:55 PM
Quote from: ""Historical Document #2""
-----Original-----

Lisa Irvin

From: Sue
To: Lisa Irving
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001
Subject: Hi Lisa?.

I have been contacted by a parent here in Ft. Lauderdale that says they (several program parents) want me & Ashlyn to attend support meetings here. However, Randall stated to me that Lynn claimed that many parents ?don?t want Ashlyn and myself?. At the the time I didn?t want the list of parents that don?t want me, however, after this parent just called me, they (program parents) are requesting the list and so am I.

Please have Lynn forward the list of parents that are not welcoming me and my daughter to meetings and Discovery Graduations. I don?t expect to hear ?confidential statements? here, since they should not be ashamed of their decission. I am also in the process of getting a manual from another support group leader, that she states, ?we are welcome?.

I do know for a fact, Lori and Ashley Neuman attend these meetings, and Ashley, like Ashlyn did NOT graduate.

Thank you Lisa, for your time and support in the above matter. I also want to take this opportunity to thank you for supporting many parents that I have worked with on their referrals. I don?t believe I ever sent you the final newsletter about my venture with public service?.. It is below for you to read. I believe it says it all, as far as my support for the program, however mostly ?bringing families back togethers??..

Sincerely,
Sue Scheff ? please read below? this was sent to many WWASP parents dated January 2001.

Hello Referral Team??.

Long time, I know. Many of you already know that my daughter has come home after 6 months at CSA. Her transformation is nothing short of a miracle. She is doing fantastic! I believe the program has saved her life along with God guiding us. I know many of you are thinking, ?wow, she didn?t graduate?, no she didn?t. I am a firm believer that God made us all different and that was not a mistake. Many children need the complete program, and I do encourage graduation. However, I recognize that every child was sent with different issues. Some more severe than others.

Ashlyn, my daughter, was not a ?bad? child for years. Quite the contrary. She was on the National Gymnastics Team, has awards and trophies from all over the country, and had always been a parents ?dream? child. However, at age 13, during a practice, she broke her foot in 5 places. One of the worse breaks possible. With this, she continued to train for 6 months ?in the cast?! Her self-esteem went so far down, we couldn?t see it. Finally, on Mother?s Day 1999, she announced to me she was quitting gymnastics! I was devastated, but respected her wishes.

Now at age 14, she wanted to try to ?fit in? with the ?normal? teens. My first mistake, she convinced me to let her try public school. She had never been. That was the worse 2 months of my life. She became involved with Wicca, (witchcraft), and eventually was withdrawn from my Christian beliefs, didn?t believe in God, and was spiraling downward. I immediately put her back into private school, however she would come home to ?hang? with the public school peers.

When I stepped back and analyzed the situation, I discovered I need to make a drastic decision. Ashlyn had lived in a ?glass house? for so many years with her gymnastics, now the house was shattered. With this, I surfed the net for hours/days?.. looking for help. As you all know, she ended up at CSA. The best decision I have ever made! I believe God had his hand in it all the way.

Ashlyn is successfully coaching gymnastics at a local gym she where her career started. Her Team girls just love her and she loves them back. She has brought her tools from the program to enhance her coaching skills. She is by far, one of the best coaches there. The love and joy thaqt is seen on Ashlyn when she is coaching is a sight I hadn?t seen in over a year. God lead Ashlyn exactly where she was needed. Only he added extra steps in between to even make her better. She will be returning to her private school on Jan. 29th for a second semester.

Wow, have I bored you yet?? it is leading to my reason for writing?..

Last year at this time I was completely falling apart with a daughter into Wicca. I never thought life would be the same. I would look up and say ?why me, what did I do wrong to create this?? I am a single parent raising 2 children and was doing my best, then this hit me with a ton of bricks. Last year, you couldn?t tell me that anything good could come from this. How??????..if it wasn?t for all the darkness, the new light wouldn?t be shining through?? I welcome all you to my new business:

P.U.R.E. Inc., - Parents Universal Referral Experts, Inc. ? God knew exactly what He was doing all along. Only I couldn?t see it at the time. When I decided to take this leap, I never imagined what was in store for me. My first sign was when we were looking for office space, I came across a small sign in a window next to my friends office. It said ?For Rent?. Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine I would be sharing space with a ?Juvenile Criminal Attorney?! That was God letting me know we are on the right road. Then when I contacted the phone company, our toll free number ends in PURE?.. now what were those chances???? Our logo, which you will see on our web-site, is a Dove with a branch?. ?bringing families back together?. A dove is a symbol of love, and this dream was created from love. Our web-site is www.HelpYourTeens.com (http://www.HelpYourTeens.com) Please check it out?..it should be done by Feb 1st- 5th. So far it is looking fantastic! God lead us to a great web-site Designer.

My partner in this venture, is Sandra Atkins. She has been a friend for many years and is a beautiful Christian woman. We have been looking for a business to open for the past 3 years, however, always hit road blocks. She went through a divorce, and I was having my own problems. Sandra has her Master?s Degree in business, along with a General Contractor?s License. She is also a single mother of 3 children. Her knowledge and intelligence combined with my first hand experience will compliment each other to make PURE Inc. a great success. We plan on expanding our horizons by also referring to Private Schools, Learning Centers and Military Schools. That, of course, is our goal for the future. Right now, we are concentrating on helping parents with their struggling teens.

I want to thank you for your encouraging letters, your kindness and your gratitude. I have spoken to many of you personally and have enjoyed assisting you all with getting referrals. When you see our web-site, please feel free to send your comments or suggestions. Also call me if you need any help with the referrals. I know many of you have requested copies of my letters that I sent to schools and doctors offices about the program. During this time of moving into our new office, I am totally swamped. Please re-send me your fax numbers and I will forward them to you as soon as possible.

I am always a phone call or e-mail away and I will always keep you in my prayers.

I would like to than Randall Hinton, at Teen Help, for all his support and time with my referrals and with the parents on this team. Also Diane Lucchetto, Mary Golley and Cindy Day, who inspired me to be my best and take that leap. Included is Kathi Colton, who added the web-site idea to many parents, and is constantly helping them through the steps. Rhonda Nemechek & June Gowing who gave me the encouragement to go forward. Most of all I thank God, for guiding me and allowing me to touch you all and the many to follow. I kept ignoring His calling, however, when I stepped left and ?listened??.. P.U.R.E. Inc. was created!

Let?s end as we always do?.. ?Prayerize, Visualize, Actualize?! Go help others?.please ?Pay it Forward? and share all my ideas with other new parents?.if any one needs back issues of my ?ideas:, please let me?..

With loving prayers and gratitude,
Sue Scheff


Note the testimonial from a "kathi colton" which may or may not be the same person referenced above.  

http://www.parentshelpingteens.com/referral_program.php (http://www.parentshelpingteens.com/referral_program.php)
Title: I know parents think so...LOL
Post by: Anonymous on December 08, 2006, 07:36:50 PM
Quote:
Subj: [Trekkers] IECA Conference
Date: 10/12/02 2:14:57 PM Central Daylight Time
From: [email protected] (http://mailto:[email protected])
To: [email protected]
Sent from the Internet (Details)



Independent Educational Consultants Association Conference. Nov. 7-9 in Washington, DC. Let's pray the sniper situation is resolved by then.

It is open to all in the Industry. One day is all Boarding Schools and the other day is all Specialty Programs. I plan on meeting many that I have spoken to and represent. I have been in this industry, going on 4 years now, and placed over 100 children successfully, as well as visited over 15 schools. That is what qualifies me as a CEP. Certified Educational Planner. Huh! Donna had this planned for me and I am doing my best.

Steve Bozak, an IECA member, actually told me personally, I am a more qualified CEP than many of the IECA members! And I know parents think so. Steve has continually asked me to move to NY to work for him, but I love PURE and I love Florida! As I was having my new cards made up for our new address, and BBB status, Steve told me to be sure to add CEP. He is truly the only EC that I would ever trust.

Anyway, Lon Woodbury, Tom Crooke and all the stuffy IECA members will be there, but I am going to meet all the schools and programs. I am bringing 2 other representatives of PURE also. So I won't be alone in this bee's nest! BTW: WWASP always sends a rep too....can't wait to see who that is....
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on December 08, 2006, 10:01:45 PM
Subj: Re: [Trekkers] From DT's Board-To Charlotte and all
Date: 10/20/02 8:42:18 PM Central Daylight Time
From:
Reply-to: [email protected] (http://mailto:[email protected])
Sent from the Internet (Details)



Charlotte and all,

I have been in touch with Deborah Thomas (DT). I am not 100% on her mission, and Donna H. and I felt she was all over the map, with an agenda that is not exactly clear. She is at times, very anti all programs, when in fact some children really do need help. Just the right help. And then she can go into the medication, school districts and other issues of discern "to her." I am glad Jeff is there monitoring it for us, just in case they do get some good information for us.

The fact that she has both Barbe Stampe and Alexia Parks (both woman that Donna H. had a bad taste for, with good reason) on her board, makes me wonder. I am not sure who you are sending Phil's diary to, but please let me know first. I don't want it to end up in the wrong hands. Some people are in this for monetary reasons, while we are here for the children. That is the difference in a nutshell.
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on December 08, 2006, 10:04:56 PM
Subj: Re: [Trekkers] From DT's Board-To Charlotte and all

Date: 10/20/02 8:42:18 PM Central Daylight Time

From: [email protected] (http://mailto:[email protected])

To: [email protected]

Sent from the Internet (Details)







Charlotte and all,



I have been in touch with Deborah Thomas (DT). I am not 100% on her mission, and Donna H. and I felt she was all over the map, with an agenda that is not exactly clear. She is at times, very anti all programs, when in fact some children really do need help. Just the right help. And then she can go into the medication, school districts and other issues of discern "to her." I am glad Jeff is there monitoring it for us, just in case they do get some good information for us.



The fact that she has both Barbe Stampe and Alexia Parks (both woman that Donna H. had a bad taste for, with good reason) on her board, makes me wonder. I am not sure who you are sending Phil's diary to, but please let me know first. I don't want it to end up in the wrong hands. Some people are in this for monetary reasons, while we are here for the children. That is the difference in a nutshell.



Sue "
Title: The Sue Scheff Diaries
Post by: Anonymous on December 09, 2006, 10:19:18 AM
Whoever has the "Sue Scheff Diaries" please keep posting.  Maybe she'll get that infamous book all about Sue that she dreams of.
Title: Prayerize, Visualize and Actualize: SUE SCHEFF'S MOTTO
Post by: Anonymous on December 09, 2006, 10:37:20 AM
In the exact words of Sue Scheff and her corney but dangerous company IMO.  Are you going to sue us for our opinions Sue?  Try it again!

Below Scheff is talking about her daughter Ashlyn and using her own child to market WWASP for a year or more.  In a lot of ways it's too bad WWASP did not help Carey more.  At least it would have put this lame brain fraud in her place once and for all.  Now there will have to be more lawsuits to do that IMO. In the meantime..............

By Sue Scheff in her own lying words:  Umm, IMO that is.
___________________________________________________

Our Devine Mission

As the parent of a struggling teen, I felt helpless. God knew exactly what he was doing; only I could not see it at the time. When I finally decided to take this leap of faith, I could have never imagined what was in store for me. The transformation in my teenager was nothing short of a Miracle.

I am now part owner of PURE Inc. and share office space with a Juvenile Criminal Attorney. We are a free service to parents of struggling or out of control teens. We provide information and resources on programs and specialty programs that are designed for teens that are struggling. We strive to serve as a reference point for parents, and can address any questions or concerns they may have.

Our logo is a Dove carrying an olive branch   ::dove:: ; and our goal is "Bringing Families Back Together.? This is our symbol of love and this business was truly created out of faith, hope and love??? Our Personal motto is Prayerize, Visualize and Actualize.

Next issue:

Boarding Schools

New programs Spotlight
 
Back
Title: Marie Peart is Sue's business partner
Post by: Anonymous on December 11, 2006, 09:44:33 PM
Majestic Ranch is managed by Daniel Peart.

Marie Peart is the business partner of Sue Scheff.

Sue Scheff sold WWASP programs for a year or more until she had a falling out with Randall Hinton and Kevin Richey--wwasp.

Marie Peart worked for years for Bob Lichfield of WWASP.

2+2=
Title: Jake Peart
Post by: Anonymous on December 11, 2006, 09:50:33 PM
----Original Message----
From:  Jake Peart
To:  Ken Kay
Sent:  Tuesday, December 17, 2002 1:54 PM
Subject: Fwd: WWASPS Programs

Ken,
I got this email today I thought you might want to know about it.
Jake Peart

_________________

Message goes on from Lee Colburn to Lauri Wheeler.
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on December 11, 2006, 09:52:42 PM
Daniel Peart ran Majestic Ranch
Marie Peart sister-in-law to Lichfield and Teen Help salesperson
Jake Peart works for WWASP

Marie Peart is Sue Scheff's business partner.

Lee Colburn helping Sue?  Can someone explain?
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on December 14, 2006, 09:01:58 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Subj: Re: [Trekkers] From DT's Board-To Charlotte and all

Date: 10/20/02 8:42:18 PM Central Daylight Time

From: [email protected] (http://mailto:[email protected])

To: [email protected]

Sent from the Internet (Details)







Charlotte and all,



I have been in touch with Deborah Thomas (DT). I am not 100% on her mission, and Donna H. and I felt she was all over the map, with an agenda that is not exactly clear. She is at times, very anti all programs, when in fact some children really do need help. Just the right help. And then she can go into the medication, school districts and other issues of discern "to her." I am glad Jeff is there monitoring it for us, just in case they do get some good information for us.



The fact that she has both Barbe Stampe and Alexia Parks (both woman that Donna H. had a bad taste for, with good reason) on her board, makes me wonder. I am not sure who you are sending Phil's diary to, but please let me know first. I don't want it to end up in the wrong hands. Some people are in this for monetary reasons, while we are here for the children. That is the difference in a nutshell.



Sue "



Well  it appears that Jeff was monitoring others for Sue Scheff.
Title: Sue's List Serve Emails
Post by: Anonymous on December 26, 2006, 02:45:07 PM
A lot more of Sue-sue's emails on her Trekkers List Service are going to be coming out right her on fornits.

We were wondering if Sue gave them to the lawyers for WWASP?

Couldn't Sue-sue get in a lot of trouble for that, you know, not giving up the emails the court asked her for?

Does someone know?  Was the Trekkers the group of parents WWASP was after?

History on this subject anyone?
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on December 26, 2006, 10:47:32 PM
I thought the trekkers were a different group than the ones who were on PURE's listserve?  And what or who is the fully-baked.org???
Title: Re: Jake Peart
Post by: Anonymous on December 26, 2006, 10:50:03 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
----Original Message----
From:  Jake Peart
To:  Ken Kay
Sent:  Tuesday, December 17, 2002 1:54 PM
Subject: Fwd: WWASPS Programs

Ken,
I got this email today I thought you might want to know about it.
Jake Peart

_________________

Message goes on from Lee Colburn to Lauri Wheeler.


Is this the same Lee Colburn who used to post on Fornits?  If so, what's this email all about and who's Lauri Wheeler?
Title: fully baked and trekkers are the same
Post by: Anonymous on December 28, 2006, 06:18:23 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
I thought the trekkers were a different group than the ones who were on PURE's listserve?  And what or who is the fully-baked.org???


Same group. Sue-sue's friend Donna started Trekkers which is also called fully-baked.org, the list service emails. Scheff took control of Trekkers and kicked off people if they questioned her. Carey got her ass kicked off and this pissed off Carey which then pissed off Sue-sue.

Carey is the hero in all this. Even though she should not have sold her computer to you-know-who.
Title: Re: Jake Peart
Post by: Anonymous on December 28, 2006, 06:20:17 PM
Yup this is the same Lee Colburn. Strange group of adults.


Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""
----Original Message----
From:  Jake Peart
To:  Ken Kay
Sent:  Tuesday, December 17, 2002 1:54 PM
Subject: Fwd: WWASPS Programs

Ken,
I got this email today I thought you might want to know about it.
Jake Peart

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Message goes on from Lee Colburn to Lauri Wheeler.

Is this the same Lee Colburn who used to post on Fornits?  If so, what's this email all about and who's Lauri Wheeler?
Title: Re: fully baked and trekkers are the same
Post by: BuzzKill on December 28, 2006, 10:50:59 PM
Quote from: ""Trekkers""
Quote from: ""Guest""
I thought the trekkers were a different group than the ones who were on PURE's listserve?  And what or who is the fully-baked.org???

Same group. Sue-sue's friend Donna started Trekkers which is also called fully-baked.org, the list service emails. Scheff took control of Trekkers and kicked off people if they questioned her. Carey got her ass kicked off and this pissed off Carey which then pissed off Sue-sue.

Carey is the hero in all this. Even though she should not have sold her computer to you-know-who.


I don't *know* for sure, but I would guess this would be two different groups.  Do you *know* it wasn't?

The Trekkers were not associated with PURE - excepting the fact Sue did have control over the list - and obviously of PURE. But PURE was a business entity separate from the Trekkers, which was more like a support group. Donna, what ever else she was into, was not part of PURE - was she? And the Trekkers began as her thing - right?

PURE, I would guess, had email lists that included people who had nothing to do with Trekkers - but who had done business with PURE; and excepting Susan, the Trekkers had nothing to do with PURE. At least, that was always how I saw it.   Some few Trekkers did make a habit of sending parents to PURE, but many others didn't and wouldn't.

As for Cary being a hero - on what planet? How do you figure that?
She behaved in a monstrous and treacherous manner toward many a good person who never did her a bit of harm. Carey's not any less so, just b/c you may have come to realize Sue can also be monstrous.
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on December 28, 2006, 11:16:55 PM
That does seem to be a problem---separating out the TREKKERS who did refer parents to PURE.
These TREKKERS then became people who were referring children to abusive programs, themselves.

Lee Colburn is listed as a plaintiff in the Turlely  lawsuit, isn't he?
Could this be Sue-Sue and Izzy's way of obtaining their "information" for their little press releases about this lawsuit?
Makes one wonder, doesn't it?
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on December 28, 2006, 11:40:54 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
That does seem to be a problem---separating out the TREKKERS who did refer parents to PURE.
These TREKKERS then became people who were referring children to abusive programs, themselves.

Lee Colburn is listed as a plaintiff in the Turlely  lawsuit, isn't he?
Could this be Sue-Sue and Izzy's way of obtaining their "information" for their little press releases about this lawsuit?
Makes one wonder, doesn't it?


I thought both Izzy and Sue helped to locate this lawfirm for the original plaintiff?  Which leads me to wonder if Turley has been contacted by any parents who have a gripe with WWASPS but were referred by Sue Scheff (PURE)? Somewhere it is posted that Scheff was one of WWASPS most successful referrers.  If that is true, than how many kids did she place and what are the chances these kids have heard of the TURLEY lawsuit and want to join?  ANybody else think of this?
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on December 28, 2006, 11:52:59 PM
As I understand it, the original Trekkers were a mixed bag of parents, relatives, friends of kids sent to WWASPS programs.  When Donna H. became friendly with Sue Scheff, I think some of these people didn't care for the association and dropped out or were kicked off.  The reminder may have merged with Scheff's listserve after Donna died, or perhaps the two listserves were combined.  Either way, I have often wondered how these people justified their continued support of Scheff and PURE once it was disclosed she continued to refer to WWASPS after she removed her own daughter from a WWASPS program and started PURE.  It seems to me this should have created at least some passionate discussion among the followers, if not a mass exodus if for no other reason than they felt betrayed?
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on December 29, 2006, 01:21:07 AM
I do believe that it's been posted that Sue Scheff LIED to these Trekkers and everyone else, and said she didn't refer to WWASP programs after she started PURE.
BUT--her great big ole lies were disclosed in the WWASP vs PURE transcripts....right?
Then I do believe Sue Scheff LIED and said she only referred Parents and thier children to "safe, good, non-abusive facilities," and low and behold it seems that just wasn't true either, was it?
You could ask some of these parents, especially the Whitmore parents she referred.
And I do believe Sue Scheff LIED and said she did all this "good work" for free---isn't that what she said?HMGYM
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on December 29, 2006, 08:30:13 AM
"It seems to me this should have created at least some passionate discussion among the followers"


Mass dicussion wasn't allowed. If you tried to discuss anything that Sue didn't agree with then you were removed from the list.  If you discussed anything that was "controversial" you were removed from the list.  Sue and some of the others on the list did not want any thing to get in the way of "thier" goals or plans.
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on December 29, 2006, 10:40:43 AM
Who are "these others" who stand behind Sue Scheff and her PLANS AND GOALS?
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: BuzzKill on December 29, 2006, 10:41:55 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
"It seems to me this should have created at least some passionate discussion among the followers"


Mass dicussion wasn't allowed. If you tried to discuss anything that Sue didn't agree with then you were removed from the list.  If you discussed anything that was "controversial" you were removed from the list.  Sue and some of the others on the list did not want any thing to get in the way of "thier" goals or plans.


Yeah, I'd say this is accurate. What she did on a couple of occasions when things were getting to hot to handle was take down the list. Said on the first occasion that  BK DeLong took the list down for maintenance. Never had been taken down for maintenance  before (that I was aware of) and it was coincidental that it went down during a heated debate that cast her in a negative light.  

The second time it went down (that I am aware of) was also during a very heated debate, where some of her majesty's little secretes were getting aired out. Lee wrote me and said : "Looks like YOU pissed the server off?" The server?? Ha!

Its true people often withheld thoughts and comments on the list b/c they knew Sue would go ballistic. But an awful lot of chatter took place off the list.

As for learning how much PURE brought in; and how long, and under what circumstances PURE had referred to WWASP - all this came to light at the same time as the Whitmore situation was heating up; as well as when ISAC was served papers from Litchfield. A lot of the "Trekkers" were shocked an appalled. Others continue in their devotion to the referral diva. I can't imagine why - but they do.

If the Trekker list ever went back up I am unaware of it. I suspect so - after a good house cleaning - but I wouldn't be privy to that info.

Lee can tell us if the list went back up - if he has a mind to.

I don't think he (or anyone) has anything to do with the law suit "press releases" PURE and CaCa have up. All that is public information. I think they just want to bask in the glow of their fake advocacy by pretending to be important and connected.

As for weather or not Sue told people she has sent to WWASP about it - I really don't know - but if they are in touch with anyone interested in holding the program accountable, they will learn about it. If they use the internet, and decide to google some, they will learn about it. Its not a secrete that can be kept from them, if they are at all interested.

For example, Sue didn't tell me and my friends about it - but we soon enough got word - and we have told others. So, Sue can keep her info close to her chest if she wants. If it is anything that matters, word will get out. If it matters not - then who cares?
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on December 29, 2006, 11:24:28 AM
What was the "heated debate that cast her (Scheff) in a negative light" about that caused the listserve to be closed down?

What were "her majesty's little secrets that were being aired?"

Do you know who THESE OTHERS are that still "continue in their devotion" to Scheff?
Surely, these devotees never had children in any abusive programs.  What would make people be devoted to a woman who referred children to WWASP after she started PURE?  Or to be devoted to a woman who continued to refer children to Whitmore while the Sudweeks were being investigated for child abuse; and AFTER Cheryl Sudweeks had been CHARGED?

These "devotees" seem to have some common agenda like the "diva" and it smells like $$$$$$$.
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: BuzzKill on December 29, 2006, 12:03:30 PM
Lets take this to a new thread - shall we? I think this one was intended to be a collection of "Historical documents" If we clutter it up with to much commentary it will make any documents that might get posted harder to find.
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on December 29, 2006, 07:01:41 PM
I think it's time for the new wave of historial documents to hit as I feel it is beginning to get reduntant discussing the material posted in the first wave (not to infer the previous postings are not appreciated, because they are so thank you to whoever posted them).  Just thought if anyone has more historical documents to post, this might be a good time.
Title: More History on Sue
Post by: Anonymous on December 29, 2006, 10:34:02 PM
Background investigation.  

Point #1:  Sue hooks up with Donna Hedrick sometime in the middle of 2001.

Point #2:  Donna Hedrick was convicted of some kind of welfare fraud and was in prison.  WWASP didn't know about this. But Donna died before they got her in court anyway.  Donna claimed she was a "social worker" like Izzy claims she is a "legal professional".  Donna lied as does Izzy.

Point #3: Donna and Sue start their own referral business and get fees. They tell themselves and parents they are "saving" children and "bringing families back together."

Point #4:  Sue, Donna and Marie Peart hook up.  Marie is a pro at conning and so is Sue and Donna H. so the three ladies become business partners.

Point #5:  Marie Peart has 2 criminal convictions for some kind of fraud or stealing.  This is true and one is in north Utah and one in south Utah where she lives and can be checked with courts.

FILLER POINTS TO THE ABOVE:
Sue Scheff had her daughter at Carolina Springs Academy the WWASP school for 6 months in 2000.  

Sue got her kid out in December 2000 but Sue sold WWASP all during her kid's incarceration and until at least August 2001.  

Okay but Sue formed PURE in Jan/Feb 2001.

Sue formed PURE to sell WWASP and she admitted to it in the other documents in her own words.

We know Sue said she took her daughter with her to the WWASP cult seminars to convince parents to pay for WWASP for SIX MORE MONTHS AFTER HER KID WAS OUT OF CAROLINA SPRINGS!!!!  Hello?

The Sue-sue gets into with WWASP cause she wants one of them at WWASP to alter their files to pay more money to Sue.  This is in the WWASP versus Sue Scheff court file![/b]
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on December 29, 2006, 10:52:50 PM
All this---and there are actually still people who just don't GET IT about what Sue Scheff does?
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on December 29, 2006, 11:55:16 PM
Wow, I never heard this about Donna Headrick.  If this is true, I think some people are going to be very surprised given the way she presented herself and her credentials.  Is the poster postitive about the accuracy and/or source of this info?  Donna Headrick certainly came across as being knowledgeable in the field of social work. At least that was my impression and I know others felt the same way but it's possible we could have been duped.  Thanks for the post. As for Sue Scheff, I think it's been well documented that she worked for WWASPS before, and after starting PURE.  The only real question I had was when she officially stopped referring to WWASPS and why and it looks like someone answered the question to the best of their ability.
Title: Donna Headrick
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2006, 11:11:21 PM
Donna H. was from Mass. or New Hampshire.  Her death and her conviction should be public record in the state where she lived.  I heard she was a "paralegal" but I wonder. Donna was quouted in one of Lou Kilzer's articles as being a "social worker."  These 3 women (Sue, Donna and now this Izzy person are all accomplished liars IMO).

I too had heard about that Donna H. was in jail for something like what the poster said and that Sue was afraid WWASP would find out about it.  Several people from the "trekker" group have talked about this but kept it to themselves.

As to BuzzKill thinking that the trekkers were into a cult and Sue was the head nut-case, I don't this they were a cult.  I think these were parents and others like the Jeff guy who had come together against WWASP. It doesn't sound to me like they even knew among themselves which way to turn.  Sue Scheff lead?  The thought almost makes a person laugh out loud.  Okay:   :rofl:
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on December 31, 2006, 12:41:03 AM
Read a couple of articles by Donna Headrick by google search, and they stated Donna Headrick was from Portland, Maine.

Don't know anything about "cults" but it wouldn't seem like a stretch for anyone to believe that, YES Sue Scheff could be a LEADER among these people who found themselves fighting against WWASP.

Parents who talked with Sue Scheff certainly seemed to believe in her, and easily fell for what many have called her CON; and she's made money off many, many, desperate parents whom she referred to programs that have been proven to be abusive.

Yep, she could easily be called a LEADER.
Maybe not a nice, honest, caring person--but, yes a leader.
Title: Sue Scheff the BULLY
Post by: Anonymous on December 31, 2006, 10:03:15 AM
Leaders have a positive influence.  Sue Scheff was no LEADER but she was a BULLY and she is  NARCISSIST and a LIAR/CON.  

There is a difference don't you think?

Unless you see the world according to Sue Scheff she tries to get you with her money and access to lawyer like Phil Elberg said.  She is just another person who goes after people to shut them people.

When you think about she really is a lot like Bob Lichfield.  She's a mini-Bob.

Oh yea IMO.  Go ahead and sue again Sue-Sue cause I don't think it will be turning out like the "Carey deal" next time![/b]
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on December 31, 2006, 10:19:38 AM
Didn't say the bitch was a POSITIVE leader.
There were other "leaders" who certainly should not have been "followed"--- but they had their little followers who did lots of harm.....Hitler, Jim Jones.....and you named Litchfield.

Get it?
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on December 31, 2006, 12:02:07 PM
Having a bit of a problem with understanding these Trekker people who have such loyalty to Sue Scheff.

What would make people have thought processes like:

"Donna Headrick was reported to have been in prison....BUT WE JUST WON'T TALK ABOUT IT, OK".....since this might interfere with our fight against WWASP???????

"Sue Scheff pulled her daughter out of WWASP because the girl was being abused"....BUT Scheff drags this same girl around, and uses this girl to sell referrals to abusive WWASP programs while she is running PURE?????

"Marie Peart is reported to have 2 criminal convictions, and is some relative to the WWASP FOLKS....but she's accepted as a co-worker of Scheff's at PURE".....and she and Scheff keep referring kids into programs for MONEY, and that seems to be OK?

Why aren't these TREKKER people up in arms themeselves, realizing something imay be terribly wrong?

IF the transcripts in the Carey Bock /Scheff trial do get posted--don't these loyalists of Sue Scheff realize that if any of them lied  during that trial, that the truths will come out....just like many truths have been revealed from the WWASP vs PURE transcripts?
Title: Laurie Berg
Post by: Anonymous on December 31, 2006, 02:24:26 PM
I know what Anon means when he/she says Sheff was not a POSITIVE leader but many never saw her as a leader at all.  Donna Headrick maybe was a kind of leader because of all she stirred up, but a lot of people did not know that Donna, the IntrepidNetReporter lady, was a criminal and they did not know about Marie Peart for a long time.

Sue can't lead and this can be seen by how few support her.  It was sort of between WWASP and the Sue Scheff who do you support?  A lot of folks felt it was better to help take down WWASP and many did not know all that was going on with sue because she lied to everyone.

Lauire Berg in Washington was really the first person to take the heat from Lichfield and WWASP.  It was not Sue and many of us know this but even Laurie is on the outs with Sue because she has become so paranoid.  And to her credit Paula Reeves was probably the first one to say Sue had a conflict but no one listened to Paula at the time way back when.  

Sue has a handful of loyals like the Texans but even some of them do not respect Sue but they won't speak against her either.  Jeff Berryman hung on with Sue because he road on her skirt for her insurance.  

 But Sue Scheff a leader?  Sorry I just can't see it.  And she won't be getting much backing in future court stuff and that's for sure. She will see where her friends are next time and the time after that.
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on December 31, 2006, 03:02:11 PM
Well, I don't know about these trekkers and all, but what about CAICA?
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on December 31, 2006, 07:25:04 PM
CAICA/Izzy is just a fool if you ask me IMO.  Izzy and Sue Scheff have hooked up because everyone knows what a fraud Izzy is and EVERYONE knows what a liar Sue is--so put it together.

Fraud plus a Con=
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on December 31, 2006, 07:58:21 PM
Would there be a reason that Sue Scheff would need/want a so-called "Advocate" site like IZZY's CAICA to be promoting herself and PURE?

What would the reason be?

Other than having Sue Scheff listed as the "Advocate of the Month" and advertising PURE on CAICA, that is?

If IZZY does want to self-promote herself as an "ADVOCATE" how can it make sense to promote Sue Scheff, who has referred children to WWASP programs, and other abusive programs for money?

How does any of this make sense?
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on December 31, 2006, 08:40:20 PM
Sue is a one man band so her connection with Izzy is for some self-serving purpose.  Sue may have made promises to Izzy but it's doubtful that Sue would GIVE Izzy any of the money she gets from Sue's referral business.  Maybe Sue has got Izzy writing the "Sue-Sue" book "At my Wits End."  Compared to Sue, Izzy would seem to be a brain.  :rofl:  Sorry but couldn't help the laugh on that one.

Marie Peart makes money on the referrals through PURE but that's different because Marie is needed by Sue to hook parents in, so, don't know for certain, but Sue and Marie split the fees I would guess.  Marie uses her money to live on but Sue uses most of her money to fund her lawsuits--again I don't know this for sure but look at all of the money Sue Scheff spends on these lawsuits.

Sue hates Ginger and she wants to sue Shelby, Paula, Karen and maybe Christine Gomez.  Sue is afraid of Ginger and Paula but she hates them all cause they don't do the Hitler/Scheff goosestep..  Sue hates Jeff Berryman too but he is "loyal" to Sue so she backs off in exchange for Jeff keeping his mouth shut.  Obvious isn't it?  Sue's few remaining "loyal friends" have said this.

Izzy is a wet rag who blows whichever way the wind blows.  Izzy had a BIG falling out with the California lawyer, Tom Coleman, and he will have nothing to do with Izzy.  I suspect Tom Coleman is onto Sue Scheff too and won't touch Sue with a 10 foot pole.

Izzy was soliciting money from all the parents and bragging that the CA lawyer was hiring Izzy and promised her a big salary.  Izzy was telling EVERYONE ALL ABOUT IT.  Izzy got fired as a receptionist from some law firm in Washington or somewhere in the northwest.  Izzy disappeared and then come up with her bullshit CAICA.  

Sue hated Izzy for her ditching Whitmore but, since Izzy took off Whitmore, Sue now LOVES the slovenly slob.

Remember Sue is losing credibility even with her remaining loyal Texan "friends" but they feel sorry for her they tell us.  Sue bullshits them and they don't know everything--like how she sold them out to WWASP and almost got them sued-----but that's another story.  [/b]
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on December 31, 2006, 09:09:34 PM
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... highlight= (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=3313&highlight=)


Ginger Posted: Oct 25 2003, 08:15 PM


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When Straight, Orlando had to go to the trouble of changing their name, Loretta Parish and Mike Scaletta were very indignant and letigious over allegations that SAFE was just Straight with a new wrapper.

Well check this out, folks.
http://www.bridgetounderstanding.com/cg ... i?read=460 (http://www.bridgetounderstanding.com/cgi-bin/infoforum.cgi?read=460)

Re: Skyline Journey Challenge...."Three Peaks in a Week"

Posted by Sue Scheff on Saturday, 22 December 2001, at 12:50 p.m. (eastern time), in response to Skyline Journey Challenge...."Three Peaks in a Week", posted by Lee Ann Fielding, Admissions Coordinator on Wednesday, 24 October 2001, at 1:06 p.m. (eastern time)

I was recently introduced to Lee Ann Fielding and must say they offer a dynamic Self Growth Journey for teens that are losing their path in life. Lee Ann is part of a caring and loving family that brings Skyline into a class of their own. Although they are fairly new, the staff and family are very experienced with Wilderness and Behaviorial Programs. I highly recommend Skyline Journey to many families daily and feel that it is a place I would place my own child. Skyline Journey is part of The PURE Foundation that helps families find healthy and safe programs.

May you all have a very Blessed and Safe Holiday Season!

Sue Scheff
The PURE Foundation
http://www.HelpYourTeens.com (http://www.HelpYourTeens.com)

> Skyline Journey is pleased to announce the
> first clan to accept and complete the "Three
> Peaks in a week" challenge. The Bear Clan
> successfully summitted the following three summits
> in less the a week ~ Swasey (elev. 9,634), Howell
> (elev. 8,348) and Notch Peak (elev. 9,654), all
> located in the "west desert" of Utah.
> This challenge also included a night hike, lay
> over days and a Pizza/Banana split party to celebrate!
>
> If you would like more information on Skyline
> Journey, please call 866-822-8336.


And this:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... forum=9&37 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=662&forum=9&37)

I wonder if Sue refered Ian August to Skyline Journey?

You folks are being taken for a ride. It's heartbraking.


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The Academy at Cedar Mountain
Summit Achievement
Dr. Larry Bauer (Glacier Mtn Academy
Skyline Journey

Anyone know if this is correct info or of any other programs that PURE refers to?




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Excerpt from the best article written on Ian's death. How in hell did it happen that a child of his stature and condition was refered to a wilderness program by an Ed Con and approved for participation by an MD? We hear SO much about responsibility and accountability from program supporters, shouldn't the adults be held to the same standard?

http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Jul/07132003/utah/utah.asp (http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Jul/07132003/utah/utah.asp)

On July 5, Ian boarded a plane bound for Utah and the Skyline Journey wilderness therapy program, recommended to Judith by an educational consulting firm in Austin.

On his enrollment application, Judith listed Ian's troubles at school, his difficulty making friends and his increasingly threatening behavior. She had tried medication, special education, church programs, counseling and karate lessons to turn him around.
Now, she looked to Skyline Journey to help Ian develop more "harmonious" relationships, assume responsibility for his actions, gain respect for authority and recognize his self-worth.
She listed prescription drugs he took: Depakote and Topamax for bipolar disorder and Concerta for ADHD.
On Wednesday, the Food and Drug Administration issued a warning about the risks of hyperthermia associated with Topamax.
In response to a question about physical limitations, Judith wrote that Ian was overweight -- at 5 feet, 4 1/2 inches tall, he weighed 200 pounds -- and, with a low heat tolerance, was "easily overheated."
His heat intolerance was well known.
Classmate Taylor Sessions remembers Ian wandering the halls all sweaty, his hair drenched. One summer, Ian wore a gizmo-type fan around his neck to keep himself cool.
"He didn't want to be out in the heat at all," said neighbor Elena Michaelson. "He was pretty vocal about it."
Said Susan: "He was not an outdoorsy person. He was a couch potato."


 
 
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Ginger, the shit is deeper than I thought. I am curious though, as to PURE's followers, are they still blind to the truth about PURE?

I wish I could afford an attorney. If I could, I would take PURE and Bozak both to court on fraud charges.

The sad thing is that PURE and Bozak have now pulled ISAC into the debacle.  
 
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Carey, I don't know. I'm tired of asking politely. These are friends of mine we're talking about, the ISAAC ppl. I tend to think, as I said, they're being extremely gullible at the moment. I don't think any of these folks would intentionally support and work for the organizations that are doing to kids now what Straight did to us when we were kids. I think they're being manipulated. I hope I'm right about that and I hope they come to their senses soon.





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When Straight, Orlando had to go to the trouble of changing their name, Loretta Parish and Mike Scaletta were very indignant and letigious over allegations that SAFE was just Straight with a new wrapper.



Well check this out, folks.

http://www.bridgetounderstanding.com/cg ... i?read=460 (http://www.bridgetounderstanding.com/cgi-bin/infoforum.cgi?read=460)



Re: Skyline Journey Challenge...."Three Peaks in a Week"



Posted by Sue Scheff on Saturday, 22 December 2001, at 12:50 p.m. (eastern time), in response to Skyline Journey Challenge...."Three Peaks in a Week", posted by Lee Ann Fielding, Admissions Coordinator on Wednesday, 24 October 2001, at 1:06 p.m. (eastern time)



I was recently introduced to Lee Ann Fielding and must say they offer a dynamic Self Growth Journey for teens that are losing their path in life. Lee Ann is part of a caring and loving family that brings Skyline into a class of their own. Although they are fairly new, the staff and family are very experienced with Wilderness and Behaviorial Programs. I highly recommend Skyline Journey to many families daily and feel that it is a place I would place my own child. Skyline Journey is part of The PURE Foundation that helps families find healthy and safe programs.



May you all have a very Blessed and Safe Holiday Season!



Sue Scheff

The PURE Foundation

http://www.HelpYourTeens.com (http://www.HelpYourTeens.com)



> Skyline Journey is pleased to announce the

> first clan to accept and complete the "Three

> Peaks in a week" challenge. The Bear Clan

> successfully summitted the following three summits

> in less the a week ~ Swasey (elev. 9,634), Howell

> (elev. 8,348) and Notch Peak (elev. 9,654), all

> located in the "west desert" of Utah.

> This challenge also included a night hike, lay

> over days and a Pizza/Banana split party to celebrate!

>

> If you would like more information on Skyline

> Journey, please call 866-822-8336.





And this:

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... forum=9&37 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=662&forum=9&37)



I wonder if Sue refered Ian August to Skyline Journey?



You folks are being taken for a ride. It's heartbraking.



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FYI - Check out this link for posts written by Lee Ann Fielding promoting her services as a program watchdog.

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... forum=9&34 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=2224&forum=9&34)

 
 
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This is really starting to blow my mind. I posted this info out here, on Marti's forum and at Don's Straight_Inc_Alumni on yahoo. It seems to have shut down all discourse on Don's list and nothing came back from Marti's, either.

What gives you guys? Have you suddenly realized that you got took, all caught up in a game of us against them? If that's all it is, haven't we all been there in some context at some point in our lives? All's forgiven, come home. Take your parents out to a nice Sunday Brunch and see if they look any different to you this morning.

But I'm just dying to know what you guys all think about all this. Did you know Skyline Journey was part of the PURE network? Did you know the history of that organization? I didn't. It was right in front of me, but the names are almost all at least vaguely familiar at this point. It took this long and Deborah explicitly pointing it out before I caught on.

What are you guys thinking? If anyone's telling ya'll to say nothing for fear of some horrible consequence, tell them to pound sand. RAMPANT talking out in group is the only solvent I know of to undo the sticky glue that gives these groups cohesion.



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Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
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PUREst do you know the real reason Sue pulled her daughter from CSA?

Could it be that she was pursing sexual harrassment charges against against a fellow employee (who by the way she referred his child to CSA - and appears to have received a referral fee for). It appears she seems to think that he placed his child in CSA in order to get close to her.

To me it appears that Sue is not worried at all about kids, she is worried about Sue...then and now. She did not pull her child because she was worried about the care of her daughter. As a matter of fact she says in a letter to CSA "If they want to destroy their child's program by playing a victim, however don't drag mine down with them." She goes on to say "At this point the XXXXXXX should be liable for my daughter's delay in working the program due to deformation of charcter."

No wonder she has no problem placing kids in her versions of "safe programs."

She is using you people. If you have a case against WWASP...she is sinking your ship.
 
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What do you mean sexuall harrassment?
 
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Carey,
Where did you get this information. It appears to me that you certainly seem to know alot about Sue's personal business. How do you come by all this stuff? Just very curious.....  
 
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Where the information came from is not important. What it tells us about Sue is.
 
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Carey, I don't know of any reason not to tell ppl the source. If we're talking about a lawsuit (i.e. sexual harassment suit) this is public info, not private info.

That's one of the eloquent features of our system of justice if done right. Whenever you bring a matter before the courts, the matter becomes public. If the public, via our courts, are going to decide the mattter, then we all have a right to know what the hell we're talking about. Theoretically, moreso in days past, less so today, this works as a disincentive to people using the courts in a malicious way. Most people like to settle private matters privately.

I can tell you that, when I was younger and better looking, I was sexually harassed a couple of times. Most of the time, a cold stare and clear communication is enough to discourage unwanted advances. Sometimes, a kick in the nuts is required. But I've never in my life found it necessary to draw the public, or even a boyfriend or brother, into such a triffling, private matter.

Some people prefer to employ any kind of coercion available to reach their objectives. We have a word for that kind of person. Starts with an S, ends with a T and sounds like SNITCH. Note that Snitching is a core tenent of Program philosophy.


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O.K., your saying that Sue was pursuing a sexual harassment case against someone that "she" worked with? I guess I'm not getting what your saying. And she removed her kid from CSA because this person put their kid in there to get close to Sue's kid? I'm confused, could you explain again please? Thanks.
 
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Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on December 31, 2006, 09:50:15 PM
Sue Scheff's Texas friends can read about Scheff promoting such a place a Skyline and still say "they feel sorry for Sue?"

Give me a break.....and explain why Scheff deserves any type of pity?  She made MONEY referring kids to Skyline!
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on December 31, 2006, 09:56:39 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Sue is a one man band so her connection with Izzy is for some self-serving purpose.  Sue may have made promises to Izzy but it's doubtful that Sue would GIVE Izzy any of the money she gets from Sue's referral business.  Maybe Sue has got Izzy writing the "Sue-Sue" book "At my Wits End."  Compared to Sue, Izzy would seem to be a brain.  :rofl:  Sorry but couldn't help the laugh on that one.

Marie Peart makes money on the referrals through PURE but that's different because Marie is needed by Sue to hook parents in, so, don't know for certain, but Sue and Marie split the fees I would guess.  Marie uses her money to live on but Sue uses most of her money to fund her lawsuits--again I don't know this for sure but look at all of the money Sue Scheff spends on these lawsuits.

Sue hates Ginger and she wants to sue Shelby, Paula, Karen and maybe Christine Gomez.  Sue is afraid of Ginger and Paula but she hates them all cause they don't do the Hitler/Scheff goosestep..  Sue hates Jeff Berryman too but he is "loyal" to Sue so she backs off in exchange for Jeff keeping his mouth shut.  Obvious isn't it?  Sue's few remaining "loyal friends" have said this.

Izzy is a wet rag who blows whichever way the wind blows.  Izzy had a BIG falling out with the California lawyer, Tom Coleman, and he will have nothing to do with Izzy.  I suspect Tom Coleman is onto Sue Scheff too and won't touch Sue with a 10 foot pole.

Izzy was soliciting money from all the parents and bragging that the CA lawyer was hiring Izzy and promised her a big salary.  Izzy was telling EVERYONE ALL ABOUT IT.  Izzy got fired as a receptionist from some law firm in Washington or somewhere in the northwest.  Izzy disappeared and then come up with her bullshit CAICA.  

Sue hated Izzy for her ditching Whitmore but, since Izzy took off Whitmore, Sue now LOVES the slovenly slob.

Remember Sue is losing credibility even with her remaining loyal Texan "friends" but they feel sorry for her they tell us.  Sue bullshits them and they don't know everything--like how she sold them out to WWASP and almost got them sued-----but that's another story.  [/b]


What was the falling out about between Coleman and Zehnder about?  I remember seeing something about these two but don't remember where.  Maybe the Majestic Ranch report?
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on December 31, 2006, 10:01:32 PM
Also:  Who is Christine Gomez...the person Sue-sue might want to sue?
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on December 31, 2006, 10:17:31 PM
That's pretty funny about Sue-Sue getting IZZY to remove Whitmore from the CA-CA site.
Wasn't it posted before that Sue-Sue was trying to convince the Whitmore owners, the Sudweeks to sue CAICA at one point?
IZZY, IZZY, IZZY!!!!!
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on December 31, 2006, 10:25:45 PM
Someone else apparently referred Ian August to Skyline Journey, an eductational consultant IIRC.  But wasn't it posted on Fornits that Sue Scheff may have referred a child to another program now closed after the child fell down a deep crevice and later died of head injuries?  It was a wilderness program, I believe, but I could be mistaken.  I do remember the admissions person at the program was the same person who owned the wilderness camp where Michelle Sutton died back in 1990.
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Deborah on December 31, 2006, 10:35:45 PM
Yeh, Ian was my neighbor. They were refered by an EC in Austin.
Title: Tom Coleman and Isabelle Zehnder
Post by: Anonymous on December 31, 2006, 11:39:08 PM
What was the falling out about between the lawyer from L.A. and Izzy?

It was no secret that's for sure.  It was Isabelle going off like the loose cannon she is.  She was blabbing to the press on the Majestic Ranch thing and GIVING UP private emails from the officials of the Utah protective services to have them printed in the news papers before the police had finished their invesitgation.  The emails were printed in the news just like the PRIVATE EMAILS of Joyce Harris were being forwarded in great mass all over the United States of America and probably France!

What can anyone say about these 2 (Scheff and Zehnder) other than they should be married.  Tom Coleman (of unmarried america) was disgusted as were many other people.

It is true that Sue Scheff was threatening to sue her buddy FAT IZZY.  She hated Izzy but now Fatso is Sue-Sue's private bitch.  :roll:
Title: trekker Ants
Post by: Anonymous on December 31, 2006, 11:41:41 PM
Christine Gomez?  She is one of the plaintiffs in the Turley case and was a loyal trekker.  CG defended Sue at the beginning but she did wake up eventually like the others have slowly done and are doing.
Title: Sudwicks and Whitmore Academy
Post by: Anonymous on December 31, 2006, 11:46:47 PM
Ummm... yea for sure Sue-sue was trying to get Cheryl S. and Whitmore to sue Izzy and Ginger and Karen and Christine G. and a bunch of others, but not her Texan buds and not Paula cause Paula was out of the loop and the Texans were burnt out or something.  Bottom line is if you don't agree with Scheff and you say that you don't agree---BAM!  The Sue-Sue Sea-Monster is after ya.  :rofl:

Does anyone recall when Sue-Sue and Cheryl Suds were writing stuff in the Broward County Schools ?
Title: Private Emails
Post by: Joyce Harris on January 01, 2007, 02:26:15 AM
The only time I exchanged emails with Isabelle Zehnder was In April 2006, regarding her policy of posting minor children's names on legal documents that she posts on CAICA.

At this time she told me she was removing all documents pertaining to Whitmore Academy.
Mrs. Zehnder then posted that she removed the Whitmore documents from CAICA because I requested that she remove them, which is a LIE.  I never asked this woman to remove Whitmore.
This issue has been posted about several times on FORNITS.
I can see no reason why Mrs.. Zehnder would be forwarding my "PERSONAL EMAILS in great mass all over the United States of America and probably France."
I keep copies of ALL emails myself--so it matters not to me if any emails between either Zehnder and myself; or Scheff and myself are spread around....I have copies to verify anything I have written.

Why would these two women be concerned about what I am doing, or saying, anyway?  I thought their big ole battle was with WWASP. I have absolutely no connection whatsoever with WWASP.
Title: Private Emails and Lawyer
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2007, 10:42:46 AM
Joyce---You might want to keep those emails because a lawyer is gearing up to sue PURE and Sue Scheff and most likely Izzy.  If you know who I mean you might want to give him a call with your information.  Its a small version of the Turley case and he will win.

Sue was trying to get Whitmore to sue you and she had Cheryl posting stuff on the Broward County public school forum. Sue was posting also and she was "out to get you" and spreading nasty things about you all over the country to her ants.  "Hate" would not be too strong of a word as to how Sue feels about you, Ginger, Paula, Christine, Karen and anyone who sees through her B/S.  That is Sue.  Don't you remember the Broward County posts or maybe you never saw it?

Why would Izzy do this?  Cause she "can" and it makes her feel powerful.  Why would she be so stupid to give up private emails from  Protective Services in Utah about Majestic Ranch that ended up being published in newspapers?  "Dumb" and insecure come to mind.

Can you post any of the emails?


Quote from: ""Joyce Harris""
The only time I exchanged emails with Isabelle Zehnder was In April 2006, regarding her policy of posting minor children's names on legal documents that she posts on CAICA.

At this time she told me she was removing all documents pertaining to Whitmore Academy.
Mrs. Zehnder then posted that she removed the Whitmore documents from CAICA because I requested that she remove them, which is a LIE.  I never asked this woman to remove Whitmore.
This issue has been posted about several times on FORNITS.
I can see no reason why Mrs.. Zehnder would be forwarding my "PERSONAL EMAILS in great mass all over the United States of America and probably France."
I keep copies of ALL emails myself--so it matters not to me if any emails between either Zehnder and myself; or Scheff and myself are spread around....I have copies to verify anything I have written.

Why would these two women be concerned about what I am doing, or saying, anyway?  I thought their big ole battle was with WWASP. I have absolutely no connection whatsoever with WWASP.
Title: Postings
Post by: Joyce Harris on January 01, 2007, 01:31:14 PM
I have never heard of "Broward County Public School Forum."
Is there a way to read these postings?

I certainly can not imagine why anyone in Broward County, Florida would have any interest in me, or even Whitmore Academy in Utah for that matter.

I would also find it interesting if Cheryl Sudweeks was actually posting using her name---she has never posted on FORNITS under her OWN NAME.

I am very aware that Sue Scheff spreads mistruths about me,
I am also aware that Sue Scheff has encouraged the Sudweeks to sue me. Perhaps Ms. Scheff is unaware that some of her "ants" reveal Scheff's conversations behind her back?  

And no, I have no intentions of posting any emails that have been written between myself and Isabelle Zehnder or between myself and Sue Scheff....or any other correspondence I have received.
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2007, 02:37:09 PM
Since when can people be sued for telling the truth?
What a joke.
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2007, 02:54:29 PM
10/12/06

A Broward County, Fla., jury has awarded a Weston, Fla., woman US$11.3 million in an Internet  defamation lawsuit that legal experts say could spur more courtroom battles over what's said online.

Sue Scheff filed the lawsuit against Carey Bock in December 2003, after the Louisiana woman called her a "crook," "con artist" and "fraud" on an Internet message board for parents interested in alternative schools for troubled teens.

One message landed on the Broward County PTA Web site, calling Scheff's referral company for such parents "an old, old scam."

 
An Inspiring Effect?
Legal experts say the Sept. 19 jury award may encourage more Internet-related lawsuits, particularly as message boards, blogs and social networking sites proliferate. Of the $11.3 million awarded to Scheff, almost half was awarded as punitive damages.

"I think when people read about litigation and big awards, there is sometimes an inspiring effect, and others seek to imitate that success," said Sandra S. Baron, executive director of Media Law Resource Center in New York City.

Legal analysts warned, however, that prospective plaintiffs shouldn't expect similar large awards, because of the circumstances surrounding Scheff's trial. Bock never showed up, meaning no defense was presented to the jury.

"Having a freakish [award] number where the defendant is not really represented well or at all in front of the jury happens all the time," said Robert Rivas, a Tallahassee, Fla.-based media lawyer of the Boca Raton, Fla., law firm Sachs, Sax & Klein.

Scheff's attorney David Pollack, however, said he believes the jury award sends the message that those committing defamation or libel over the Internet cannot escape responsibility for their actions.

"What this verdict says is, you can't go and destroy someone's reputation and post defamatory statements about them over the Internet. It's something that hundreds and thousands of people can see and you can't get away with it. That's the bottom line," he said.

Destruction With the Click of a Mouse
Many victims of Internet chatter have already stepped into the courtroom on defamation or libel claims. More than 50 lawsuits have been filed across the country against bloggers alone, according to the Media Law Resource Center. Seven of those cases were filed in Florida, and most are still pending.

Pollack said that since the verdict, he has already received phone calls from potential clients.

"The real problem with these cases, for the people who are the victims of this defamation, [is] you can basically with the click of a mouse, destroy somebody's reputation, their business, their livelihood, their family with absolutely no justification," he said.

In her postings, Bock accused Scheff and her company, Parents Universal Resource Experts, of placing children in "risky" and "possibly abusive" programs. Scheff's firm provides parents a list of alternative schools and programs dedicated to troubled teens.

Bock had used Scheff's services, however, to help remove her two sons from Dundee Ranch Academy, an alternative school in Costa Rica. The relationship between the two women soured, court papers show, because Bock believed Scheff was hindering her ability to land a documentary movie deal about the school.

Bock could not be reached for comment.

Pollack is investigating whether his client can actually collect the award from Bock, though he is doubtful she has $11.3 million. Scheff said if she does receive the money, she would continue her work and probably share her wealth with friends who need it -- after she pays her lawyer.  

© 2006 South Florida Sun-Sentinel. All rights reserved.
© 2006 ECT News Network. All rights reserved.

http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/53616.html (http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/53616.html)

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Anybody have a link to the archived posts on the Broward County PTA discussion board?
Title: Re: Postings
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2007, 03:19:06 PM
Sue was posting on the Broward County Public School forum because she markets PURE to the schools, the courts, and parents who are desparate.  When Whitmore got in trouble for child abuse Sue and Cheryl were posting probably to divert attention to the child abuse by making the kids look like liars and you look like a nut case.
IMO

I saw the posts and Sue was very busy with Cheryl trying to get her to sue you.  Sue told people some things about you and your husband that were pretty bad and she told people that Chery and Whitmore were going to sue you.  Sue was gloating about it. The stuff she said about you and your husband--well you are the one with the lawsuit.

Quote from: ""Joyce Harris""
I have never heard of "Broward County Public School Forum."
Is there a way to read these postings?

I certainly can not imagine why anyone in Broward County, Florida would have any interest in me, or even Whitmore Academy in Utah for that matter.

I would also find it interesting if Cheryl Sudweeks was actually posting using her name---she has never posted on FORNITS under her OWN NAME.

I am very aware that Sue Scheff spreads mistruths about me,
I am also aware that Sue Scheff has encouraged the Sudweeks to sue me. Perhaps Ms. Scheff is unaware that some of her "ants" reveal Scheff's conversations behind her back?  

And no, I have no intentions of posting any emails that have been written between myself and Isabelle Zehnder or between myself and Sue Scheff....or any other correspondence I have received.
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2007, 03:24:03 PM
Anon, how can others find these posts you've seen?

Are they on the net somewhere?  So far, I can't even find a Broward County PTA discussion board, much less any posts relevant to this issue.
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2007, 03:47:45 PM
Well, so far I have found one archived post but it's written by sue scheff.

http://www.browardpta.com/_disc1/00000002.htm (http://www.browardpta.com/_disc1/00000002.htm)
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2007, 04:15:36 PM
Beware of Bounty Hunters for WWASP/WWASPS
From: Sue Scheff
Date: 02 Sep 2003
Time: 12:00:01
Remote Name: 64.12.96.43


Comments
Dear Donna, I have known you for several years now, and have so much respect for what you did to get your boys back home safe. I only wish I had read your statement prior being recruited by WWASP/WWASPS. My daughter ended up in one of their programs and the results were horrific. I was desperate and they took advantage of me with the misrepresentation of their program. Since that time, back in 2000, there is now a Class Action Lawsuit against them getting ready to be filed. It is being filed by The Huron Law Group, with the support of Ed Masry and Erin Brockovich. There will be justice for our children and ourselves. Since this happened, I felt a need to give parents a resource avenue to help them when they are desperate, as I once was. I have created PURE, Inc. www.helpyourteens.com (http://www.helpyourteens.com) to help parents find safe and qualifed schools and programs and also offer a listing of adolescent local therapists. We have been approved by the Broward County School District and the Better Business Bureau. Thank you for giving us an opportunity to let parents know our experiences. Sincerely, Sue Scheff Weston, FL [email protected]

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I think the Donna she is talking about is Donna Burke whose story was one of those profiled in the Desperate Measures series.
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2007, 04:24:52 PM
Interesting, here's a response

http://www.browardpta.com/_disc1/0000000d.htm (http://www.browardpta.com/_disc1/0000000d.htm)
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2007, 04:32:51 PM
http://www.browardpta.com/_disc1/00000001.htm (http://www.browardpta.com/_disc1/00000001.htm)

WTF?
Title: Response to Sue Sue post
Post by: Joyce Harris on January 01, 2007, 04:37:07 PM
In response to the statement:
"The stuff she said about your and your husband--well you are the one with the lawsuit."

I do not know what this statement means.
My family was never part of the criminal case that the County Attorney, Jared Eldridge, filed against Cheryl Sudweeks.

My family is not part of the current Civil Case that is pending against the Sudweeks/Whitmore Academy.

If this type of information is being spread by Sue Scheff or Cheryl Sudweeks--please consider the source.
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2007, 11:16:03 PM
Wonder why the Broward County PTA would even allow such postings to be on their website?
Title: Re: Response to Sue Sue post
Post by: Anonymous on January 02, 2007, 10:07:34 AM
Sue said you WERE part of the civil lawsuit but you pulled out because of all the bad things she and Cheryl found out about you and your husband.


Quote from: ""Joyce Harris""
In response to the statement:
"The stuff she said about your and your husband--well you are the one with the lawsuit."

I do not know what this statement means.
My family was never part of the criminal case that the County Attorney, Jared Eldridge, filed against Cheryl Sudweeks.

My family is not part of the current Civil Case that is pending against the Sudweeks/Whitmore Academy.

If this type of information is being spread by Sue Scheff or Cheryl Sudweeks--please consider the source.
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on January 02, 2007, 02:38:45 PM
Old, tired, untrue gossip.  Let the Suds supoena them if it matters.
Title: Re: Response to Sue Sue post
Post by: ZenAgent on January 07, 2007, 06:04:04 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Sue said you WERE part of the civil lawsuit but you pulled out because of all the bad things she and Cheryl found out about you and your husband.


Quote from: ""Joyce Harris""
In response to the statement:
"The stuff she said about your and your husband--well you are the one with the lawsuit."

I do not know what this statement means.
My family was never part of the criminal case that the County Attorney, Jared Eldridge, filed against Cheryl Sudweeks.

My family is not part of the current Civil Case that is pending against the Sudweeks/Whitmore Academy.

If this type of information is being spread by Sue Scheff or Cheryl Sudweeks--please consider the source.


Hey, "Guest" - be careful what you post based on second-hand information from people like Scheff and Sudweeks.  Cheryl's record proves she's not a font of truth.  I think anyone who's child was referred to an abusive facility (like Whitmore) by Scheff might have misgivings about her integrity.

Guest, your vague implications are becoming defamatory.  Fornits is anonymous, but don't think you're completely shielded.  You're engaging in speculation on a public forum about a private individual who, unlike Scheff, is NOT a limited public figure.

Defamation consists of the following:
(1) a defamatory statement;
(2) published to third parties; and
(3) which the speaker or publisher knew or should have known was false.

We hold that a private individual may recover actual damages for a defamatory publication upon proof that the defendant knew or in the exercise of reasonable care should have known that the defamatory statement was false. The conduct of defamation defendants will be judged on whether the conduct was that of a reasonable person under the circumstances.


Make damn sure you have your facts straight before you post hearsay from admittedly biased second parties about private individuals.  Hungry attorneys prowl Fornits.
Title: Re: Response to Sue Sue post
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2007, 08:18:35 PM
I think you misunderstand the intent of the quote about Joyce Harris. There is no insinuation that the writer supports Sue Scheff or Sudweeks.  Just that Scheff and Sudweeks are defaming Joyce Harris but this is not uncommon with Scheff and probably Sudweeks.

Anyway "hungry lawyer" sue away! A number of us have plenty of money and can defend ourselves from Sue Scheff or anyone else.


Quote from: ""ZenAgent""
Quote from: ""Guest""
Sue said you WERE part of the civil lawsuit but you pulled out because of all the bad things she and Cheryl found out about you and your husband.


Quote from: ""Joyce Harris""
In response to the statement:
"The stuff she said about your and your husband--well you are the one with the lawsuit."

I do not know what this statement means.
My family was never part of the criminal case that the County Attorney, Jared Eldridge, filed against Cheryl Sudweeks.

My family is not part of the current Civil Case that is pending against the Sudweeks/Whitmore Academy.

If this type of information is being spread by Sue Scheff or Cheryl Sudweeks--please consider the source.

Hey, "Guest" - be careful what you post based on second-hand information from people like Scheff and Sudweeks.  Cheryl's record proves she's not a font of truth.  I think anyone who's child was referred to an abusive facility (like Whitmore) by Scheff might have misgivings about her integrity.

Guest, your vague implications are becoming defamatory.  Fornits is anonymous, but don't think you're completely shielded.  You're engaging in speculation on a public forum about a private individual who, unlike Scheff, is NOT a limited public figure.

Defamation consists of the following:
(1) a defamatory statement;
(2) published to third parties; and
(3) which the speaker or publisher knew or should have known was false.

We hold that a private individual may recover actual damages for a defamatory publication upon proof that the defendant knew or in the exercise of reasonable care should have known that the defamatory statement was false. The conduct of defamation defendants will be judged on whether the conduct was that of a reasonable person under the circumstances.


Make damn sure you have your facts straight before you post hearsay from admittedly biased second parties about private individuals.  Hungry attorneys prowl Fornits.
Title: Re: Response to Sue Sue post
Post by: ZenAgent on January 08, 2007, 03:23:32 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
I think you misunderstand the intent of the quote about Joyce Harris. There is no insinuation that the writer supports Sue Scheff or Sudweeks.  Just that Scheff and Sudweeks are defaming Joyce Harris but this is not uncommon with Scheff and probably Sudweeks.

Anyway "hungry lawyer" sue away! A number of us have plenty of money and can defend ourselves from Sue Scheff or anyone else.




I understood the intent of the postings completely.  What I wrote above is valid.  "Misunderstanding" is the mother of defamation lawsuits.
Title: Re: Response to Sue Sue post
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2007, 08:18:44 PM
Lighten up Zen! This entire thread is a wreck because of postings like yours.

Quote from: ""ZenAgent""
Quote from: ""Guest""
I think you misunderstand the intent of the quote about Joyce Harris. There is no insinuation that the writer supports Sue Scheff or Sudweeks.  Just that Scheff and Sudweeks are defaming Joyce Harris but this is not uncommon with Scheff and probably Sudweeks.

Anyway "hungry lawyer" sue away! A number of us have plenty of money and can defend ourselves from Sue Scheff or anyone else.



I understood the intent of the postings completely.  What I wrote above is valid.  "Misunderstanding" is the mother of defamation lawsuits.
Title: Re: Response to Sue Sue post
Post by: ZenAgent on January 09, 2007, 12:42:26 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Lighten up Zen! This entire thread is a wreck because of postings like yours.

Quote from: ""ZenAgent""
Quote from: ""Guest""
I think you misunderstand the intent of the quote about Joyce Harris. There is no insinuation that the writer supports Sue Scheff or Sudweeks.  Just that Scheff and Sudweeks are defaming Joyce Harris but this is not uncommon with Scheff and probably Sudweeks.

Anyway "hungry lawyer" sue away! A number of us have plenty of money and can defend ourselves from Sue Scheff or anyone else.



I understood the intent of the postings completely.  What I wrote above is valid.  "Misunderstanding" is the mother of defamation lawsuits.


Wreck?  No, it's FUBAR, and I doubt my posts drove it into the ground.  I refuse to "lighten up" on Sudweeks and Scheff.
Title: Questions and Answers Between Lawyer and Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on January 16, 2007, 06:20:10 AM
Sue Scheff had some fraud scheme going with someone named Diane Lucchetti.  Sue Scheff would claim that she sold parents on WWASP but let Diane take the money from Teen Help.  Then Sue would claim Diane sold parents on WWASP and that Sue was entitled to the referral fees --  which were thousands of dollars.

It was a scam and boy oh boy oh boy is Sue-Sue good at scams.  A professional con artist.

Trial of Sue Scheff page 201:

Q.   Ms. Scheff, in August of 2001, Teen Help . . . stopped paying you referral fees because of the subterfuge you had goind with Diane Lucchetti; isn?t that correct?
A.   That is a completely false statement?.
Q.   You never collected a fee after July of 2001?
A.    I will explain why the fees came in.

Our dear Ms. Scheff goes on to explain on page 202 of the trial transcript:

A.   Narvin Lichfield was offering to pay me what Lynn Prezfeld (misspelled Crestfield) gets down in Miami.  Down in Miami, Lynn Prezfeld is the leading recruiter for WWASP?.
Dear Missy Scheff goes on to say that in the spring of that year (2001) she heard of the abuse at WWASP yet she continued to refer to WWASP until their marketing company Teen Help refused to pay her for the little insider scam Scheff set up with another person by the name of Diane Lucchetti.

Well there ya have it.  Thank you Sue Scheff for all these trials you are having because it just gets clearer and clearer the kind of dark wicked evil snake you are.

And don?t think we won?t be taken a close look at your transcripts in the Carey Bock case.  You are a witch IN OUR OPINION.

 
Page 203 trial transcript of Sue Scheff with the Q being the lawyer and the A being our dear Missy Sue-Sue Scheff.

Q.   And at the bottom (of the PURE web site) it says, ?All PURE approved transporters have a high level of education with degrees in mental health.?  That was an untrue statement?
A.   No, that was a true statement, sir.
Q.   Let?s go to the next page, please (of the PURE web site).  And this paragraph right here (indicating) indicates that one of your approved transporters was Lorraine Colpitts form Safe and Sound Transportation in Maine, right?
A.   That is correct.  That is her company??..
Q. Now, I would like to go down to the paragraph that says from the late 80?s, that is the paragraph talking about this Ms. Colpitts; isn?t it?
A.  Yes.
Q.  It says, ?Although Lorraine did not obtain a formal degree in mental health, she has taken many relevant courses? and it goen on to say, ?she has several years experience as a school bus driver.?  That is what it says?
A. That is working with children??
Q.  That is fine.  You answered my question.

Oh yea, that is a degree in mental health and working with children to a scam artist like Sue Scheff.
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on January 16, 2007, 12:15:48 PM
That's right up there with Sue Scheff's description of the admitted abuser, owner of Whitmore Academy--Cheryl Sudweeks as:
 "a  Christian woman who just loves children and, who has a smile that  will just light up a room!"

Yea, right!
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: ZenAgent on January 16, 2007, 02:43:54 PM
Damn...my bus driver in elementary school deliberately ran over dogs and any unfortunate woodland creatures who crossed her path.  I would not describe her as having experience working with children, unless you're looking for somebody to damage young psyches.
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: ConstentGardener on February 12, 2007, 04:17:40 PM
http://web.archive.org/web/200210171154 ... ut_us.html (http://web.archive.org/web/20021017115450/helpyourteens.com/about_us.html)
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on February 12, 2007, 04:40:02 PM
Thanks for posting this webpage of Sue Scheff and PURE.

So: Scheff claimed to have TWO degrees?
One degree in Finance and one in Business.

Scheff claimed to have a "career in Accounting."
Wonder when she started telling the "untrue story" about her "career in the medical field?"

This picture of Scheff "in the red dress" is very familar. At least she finally wised up and cropped her daughter out of this picture, and stopped exploiting this girl.

The last paragraph tells a lot:
The words "should not be placed" and "placement" spells out that Sue Scheff does in fact referr/place children in these programs---so she can just STOP trying to say "I am only a resource...I do not PLACE or refer children into any programs."

HERE'S HER OWN WORDS:  She PLACES children into programs.
And she does these PLACEMENTS for money, and she is PAID BY THE PROGRAMS.

WHAT PERSON CAN NOT UNDERSTAND THIS?
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on February 12, 2007, 04:55:14 PM
It says Susan Scheff, CEP (Certified Educational Planner)

What's a CEP and what are the requirements to be "certified" as one?

Thanks!
Title: Thanks to Poster
Post by: Anonymous on February 12, 2007, 11:10:15 PM
Thanks to whoever found and posted this. The evidence keeps mounting and mounting against Sue Scheff.
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Troll Control on March 13, 2007, 01:26:06 PM
i tell ya, she looks good in that pic.  i'd mount her!
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: ZenAgent on May 10, 2007, 04:18:15 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
i tell ya, she looks good in that pic.  i'd mount her!


No...no, no, no...Brain to eyeballs - does not compute...



Title: I believe they call this FRAUD
Post by: Anonymous on May 10, 2007, 05:12:35 PM
If I am not mistaken Ms. Sheff does not have a college degree.  I believe that has been confirmed through court documents?  Please correct me if I am wrong.  Here is the website I found and here are the requirements for becoming a CEP.  Why doesnt she just put PHD?  Someone should alert the media as well as turn her into AICEP.

 
Here are links and some basic info from the website.  Hope ya'll have a good laugh. American Institute of Certified Educational Planners.


The American Institute of Certified Educational Planners (AICEP) represents full-time, experienced consultants and school based counselors. Our goal is to recognize these professionals who have achieved the highest level of competence and to raise the standards of the educational counseling profession.

 
CEP Standards

To become a Certified Educational Planner, you must:

• Hold at least a Masters degree in a relevant educational field;

• Submit five professional references who can attest to your experience and expertise;

• Take a written examination that will provide insight into your ability to interpret student needs, including data from relevant testing, and recommend appropriate schools or colleges. The exam is based on case studies in areas that you identify as your own expertise.

The application process includes a thorough census form that reviews education, training, expertise, and professional activities. Individual differences in specialization and competency are fully considered in the evaluation process.

Your application will be reviews by a committee of Certified Educational Planners. Recertification will be required after a five-year period. You will be asked to submit documentation of sustained professional activities during that time.    
   
http://www.aicep.org/default.htm (http://www.aicep.org/default.htm)
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on May 10, 2007, 06:31:13 PM
Poster suppying the CEP information,
Why don't  YOU alert the media, and report Sue Scheff to this organization for claiming certifications she does not have?
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on May 10, 2007, 09:59:05 PM
:wink:
Title: Mount the Donkey Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2007, 06:00:46 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
i tell ya, she looks good in that pic.  i'd mount her!


What are you gay or or old or something?  Dude, you must like to mount old skinny-farty grey donkeys!  

I don't know what pic you're talking about but did you see her in the Aussie doc?  UGLY!!!!!  

That pic on her web is a fake and she had her honker nose fixed twice.

HONK! HONK!  Right Mz. Scheff?   ::madclown::
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on August 04, 2007, 01:58:34 PM
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Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
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Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
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The publishers of the beloved Chicken Soup for the Soul
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A Parent's True Story and Helpful Resources
by Sue Scheff
founder of Parent's Universal Resource Experts
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Each and every parent, therapist, and school counselor working with today's adolescents will find this resourceful book a must-read!

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About the Author
Sue Scheff is the founder of Parent's Universal Resource Experts, an organization dedicated to helping parents of adolescents and teens who are at their Wits End. Through P.U.R.E's many services, parents can find other parents who are dealing with the same problems, educate themselves with the help of experts in the field, and find help in placing their children in alternative learning programs.

Ms. Scheff knows all too well the desperation parents feel when their troubled teen falls out of their control. When her daughter, Ashlyn, became too much for her to handle, she found an alternative educational institution with help from an organization called World Wide Association Of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) where Ashlyn was abused and fell seriously ill. After removing her from the program, Sue realized that she must make positive changes from the negative experiences. WWASPS took Ms. Scheff to court and after a long, trying battle, Ms. Scheff left victorious.

In 2001, motivated by these events and her own personal struggle, Sue Scheff founded Parents Universal Resource Experts. Through P.U.R.E, Ms. Scheff has built a network of thousands of parents and has connected those all around the country who before were suffering in silence.

Sue Scheff and P.U.R.E do not base their expertise on scientific studies and textbook jargon. They know that real parents want real life - real feelings, real situations, and real teens - and that is what they have to offer. Ms. Scheff has helped many parents through their desperation, letting them know that they are not alone in their battle.

Sue Scheff understands that many of the survivors of abusive programs suffered the ultimate price. She feels much remorse for their experiences, however, does not believe that shutting down all programs is the correct line of action. Many have benefited from qualified and safe alternative schools, and PURE works to join parents with the right place for their troubled teen.

Sue Scheff and P.U.R.E understand the need for strong regulation and guidelines for private teen programs and schools. Because currently, there is little or no government regulation or way for children inside these programs to report abusive action, Ms. Scheff and PURE will continue to search out safe alternatives for children and educate parents.

Due to an overwhelming demand from her peers, Sue Scheff has just finished writing her first book, "Wits End". The publication is aimed at all those who work with troubled teens and offers insight and advice through the trials and tribulations of the author and those she has helped through her journey.

©2007 Sue Scheff.
Title: Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
Post by: Anonymous on August 04, 2007, 09:17:28 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Due to an overwhelming demand from her peers, Sue Scheff has just finished writing her first book, "Wits End".


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Title: Re: Interested
Post by: Anonymous on January 28, 2008, 11:37:24 PM
So, how is JH's daughter these days?  Anyone care anymore?