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CCM girl. i dont think you are disliked though I sometimes disagree with some of the things you say. i certainly dont dislike you. I have heard from some people that there are good programs.
I have also occasionally spoken to kids/parents which say their place was not bad in the sense that the kids were well fed and not physically abused or called names. But here is why I see programs as deeply philosophically and morally flawed;

-While every parent who sends their child to a program is not bad, programs do enable bad parents to abandon their children.
 
-Programs (even the good ones) appear to promote the idea that kids problems stem from the fact that the kid is "bad" or has done something wrong. I am yet to see a program which does not incorporate this philosophy at some point. While there are some kids who are real horrors most who are behaving in a way that is just off the charts are either in distress or trying to deal with some other problem. i also just dont think that issues like aspergers, depression etc are moral problems.

-Programs are not about education, they are about changing the way a person views the world. Whether it is about accepting Jesus into your heart in the case of religious programs or accepting some new age philosophy this to me is a serious civil liberty issue. Nobody should be told how they can think. Liberty is also something that American culture claims to value above all else. It must then be very confusing for a kid to hear that they must think a certain way. Deciding to join a cult is one thing. Being placed in one is another

-Programs claim to be able to treat just about everything. How can anything work when it uses the same model for treating drug addiction as it does for mental health disorders or eating disorders. Some problems are unique and require very specific treatment

-The idea that emotional growth is something that can be rewarded or punished is absurd. Nobody is rewarded or punished for physical growth.

-Few programs have adequate abuse reporting systems. Censorship of mail and phone calls or severely limiting phone calls is a recepie for disaster

All excellent points, worth repeating.

CCM - I don't think it is that people don't like you. I think it is that you confuse people. You do often come across as sympathetic to the abusers. On the other hand, you will also sometime speak out against the abuse in very strong terms. Even when speaking of the same person, and the same acts of abuse.

You have often written here, and elsewhere, about the sexual abuse you endured at the hands of Robert Litchfield. Sometimes you seem to understand it was criminal abuse; and other times it seems you think it harmless and normal and no big deal. You will complain about it on a forum board - you sometimes seem to understand that an adult who has power and authority over a child, is committing abuse of that child, when he makes sexual advances; but you refuse to talk about it to anyone that matters - to hold him in any way accountable. And then you'll flip back to its no big deal - everyone does it - who cares; and you seem to be very sympathetic towards this man who took egregious advantage of you when you were the most vulnerable.  It is frustrating for those who read your conflicting posts.

As for Narvin knowing what was going on at Dundee - I wonder how you can have the least doubt he knew the intimate details of everything that happen at Dundee?  He lived on the grounds. If the "students" could hear their friends screaming from the pain of a restraint from across the grounds - do you think he couldn't? When he looked in on the OP room - do you think he went suddenly blind? Do you think he was unaware of the consequences of shutting off the city water and putting a "school" full of Gringos on Costa Rican well water? Do you think he failed to notice the flesh melting off the boys as they were fed starvation rations for weeks and months on end?  Do you think he failed to notice they had 12 cots jammed into room meant to hold 2 ?

Oh but poor Narvin. . . He is only trying to help. He could become a millionaire any number of other less difficult ways, you say.  That's the kind of thing people find offensive.

But I don't think most people who know you dislike you. I think most wish you would find a good PTSD therapist and come to grips with the damage done to your mental health by these bastards.

Isabelle Zehnder's email which has been posted on the Trouble Teen Industry thread:
Isabelle Zehnder referred to Sunrise Adolescent Transport, in St. George, Utah.
Sunrise Adolescent Transport is run/owned by Julie Thompson who states she was formerly employed by WWASP TEEN HELP.

And reportedly also states that she transports to Cross Creek; that Cross Creek is a great program she would send her own kid to.

Time to go now Izzahell. Or at least stop pretending to care about the abuse so rampant in this industry. Be who you are. A profit motivated, ethically challenged, promoter of institutional child abuse.. Sell those programs and arrange those transports, and rake in the cash. But really, you must now know, there is no point in any further pretence of concern for the kids or their families.

One of the best things about being kept away from boys is that any man, no matter how old, what he has to do with the program, whether he is your houseparent, or your shrink, maybe even perhaps an owner, can get lucky lol? They get their pick of all of us young girls. We almost welcome it. We get taken advantage of in a way?!! But, who cares right?

Lots of people care, and so should you. Under those circumstances it is rape.

Can't make much sense of it - but did some googleing and some rearranging.

First Whyte is an Irish name. Is BK DeLong Irish? He is the only Sorcerer I can think of who knows Sue. But there could be others.

Wicca wicca bemto  (Wicca is wicca, I guess; no clue about Bemto, but some folks do have it for a name.)

Bema bema pon  (no clue about Pon, except like Bemto, is is sometimes part of a name, like Von)

[Bema brought up this]
A. The judgment seat of Christ: "the judgment seat," bema {bay'-ma: n, gen, neut, sg}; judgment seat, the seat of a judge, a judicial bench.
B. This is a judgment of WORKS that all believers must face.

Sue scheff susan scheff  (Sue)

Ashlyn scheff bom (bom / mob?) (Why would anyone include her in something like this?)

Bumma som buttka (no clue)

Eye live-evil (Live evil eye)

eit kcab (back tie)

elttob kcalb cigam (magic balck bottle)

acciw tomb (wicca tomb?)

dear siht dna ddii-eeii (read this and die - die ii ?)

Wheres Timocela when you need her?

Maybe I should explain that IF the law firm decided to go after Scheff & PURE I wouldn't disagree or argue they shouldn't. I would assume they know what they are doing. Likewise, as they have decided not to, I won't argue with them. I assume they know what they are doing. I feel I understand why they have decided as they have. I have no problem with it. Not that they would care if I did.

Carey needs to change the back ground color of her web site. It makes the type unreadable.

Guest: That is a very big IF.  My guess would be that the law firm has made it a policy not to file against referring parents. It would be a huge and muddled a mess where they to try and go there. Think about it, and I believe you'll agree.