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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones => Topic started by: Che Gookin on April 17, 2009, 03:26:58 AM

Title: CEDUWATCH updated list
Post by: Che Gookin on April 17, 2009, 03:26:58 AM
Tier 1- Direct linage to CEDU via Ex-Cedu employees or Students

Duckfarm------------------------Founded by-------------------------------current ex-CEDU employees/Residents

Benchmark                         Jane Longnecker                                  Joesph Powell
Monarch                                                                                        Tim Earle
Carlbrook                             Tim Brace                                          Tim Brace
Ventures                                Steve Rookey                                   Steve Rookey
Northwest Academy               RMA/Redux                                      
Aspen Swift River                  Rudy  Bentz  
Transitions of Galveston    
Island

Tier 2- Founders have worked at programs and have had some exposure to CEDU methodology, but are not ex-cedu employees or students.

Aspen Achievement Academy   - A couple of the founders came from ASR..                            
       




Help me out folks.. I'm consider turning this into something larger if I can get some hosting resources behind it. Just add to the list and feel free to correct any mistakes I've made.
Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
Post by: Che Gookin on April 17, 2009, 03:29:02 AM
Tier 1- Direct linage to CEDU via Ex-Cedu employees or Students

Duckfarm------------------------Founded by-------------------------------current ex-CEDU employees/Residents

Benchmark Jane Longnecker Joesph Powell
Monarch Tim Earle
Carlbrook Tim Brace Tim Brace
Ventures------------------------ Steve Rookey ------------------------Steve Rookey
Northwest Academy------------ RMA/Redux
Aspen Swift River-------------- Rudy Bentz
Transitions of Galveston
Island

Tier 2- Founders have worked at programs and have had some exposure to CEDU methodology, but are not ex-cedu employees or students.

Aspen Achievement Academy -------- A couple of the founders came from ASR..





Help me out folks.. I'm consider turning this into something larger if I can get some hosting resources behind it. Just add to the list and feel free to correct any mistakes I've made.

Not being able to edit posts really pisses me off.. edited for spacing.
Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
Post by: Oscar on April 17, 2009, 05:04:38 AM
I will see to that the CEDU spin-off category (http://http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Category:CEDU_spin-off) on the wiki is updated ASAP.

I did not see Innercept (http://http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Innercept) on the list
Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
Post by: Che Gookin on April 17, 2009, 09:09:30 AM
Tier 1- Direct linage to CEDU via Ex-Cedu employees or Students

Duckfarm------------------------Founded by or with the help of -------------------------------current ex-CEDU employees/Residents

Benchmark ----------------------Jane Longnecker ---------------------Joesph Powell- Paul Ornaeles(?)
Monarch -------------------------Tim Earle, Steve Rookey-------------------Tim Earle and ?
Carlbrook------------------------Tim Brace -------------------------------Tim Brace and ?
Ventures------------------------ Steve Rookey ------------------------Steve Rookey
Northwest Academy------------ RMA/Redux
Aspen Swift River-------------- Rudy Bentz
Transitions of Galveston    (Phasing out http://http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/publish/TransitionsGalvestonBN_080706.shtml)
Island
Echo Springs-----------------------Doug Kim Brown-------------------Doug Kim Brown  (Please check for others http://www.echo-springs.com/home_staff.html[/urlAscent                                                                                                               (confirmation needed [url]http://www.ascent4teens.com/staff.htm)

Tier 2- Founders have worked at programs and have had some exposure to CEDU methodology, but are not ex-cedu employees or students.

Aspen Achievement Academy -------- A couple of the founders came from ASR..
Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
Post by: lil_thespian on April 17, 2009, 08:23:28 PM
Woa! Wait.. so this tim rice guy worked at the awful Rocky Mountain Academy and now they're letting him work as headmaster at Carlbrook!? That can't be right...
Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
Post by: lil_thespian on April 17, 2009, 08:25:11 PM
oops typo! I meant Tim Brace**
Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
Post by: Anonymous on April 17, 2009, 08:34:55 PM
Quote from: "lil_thespian"
Woa! Wait.. so this tim rice guy worked at the awful Rocky Mountain Academy and now they're letting him work as headmaster at Carlbrook!? That can't be right...

Tm Brace literally murdered kids. Search this forum, and se what you find.
Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
Post by: lil_thespian on April 17, 2009, 08:45:27 PM
How does Carlbrook not know this? Why would they hire a man with such a record to be headmaster?
Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
Post by: Ursus on April 17, 2009, 09:12:47 PM
Quote from: "lil_thespian"
How does Carlbrook not know this? Why would they hire a man with such a record to be headmaster?

They are obviously more than satisfied with Tim Brace's record. The real question to ask is: what does that tell you about Carlbrook?
Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
Post by: Anonymous on April 17, 2009, 09:16:55 PM
Quote from: "lil_thespian"
How does Carlbrook not know this? Why would they hire a man with such a record to be headmaster?

I’m pretty sure Brace started Carlbrook and runs it. CEDU was a cult. Cults regenerate and spread because individuals become indoctrinated in cultic relationships. It’s a bizarre and unnatural way to relate to another being and once you start doing it, it's hard for many to live any other way. Also, particularly in these "torture"-cults (cults that focus on torturing captive young people into "believing") the individual engages in intense levels of sadism and domination, and there are millions to be made in these torture-cults. That money and lifestyle is attractive to a lot of people. So they leave the base cult and start their own division. CEDU was a division of Synanon, and Carlbrook is a division of CEDU.
Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
Post by: psy on April 17, 2009, 09:22:00 PM
Quote from: "lil_thespian"
How does Carlbrook not know this? Why would they hire a man with such a record to be headmaster?
When CEDU went out of business due to lawsuits, the staff scattered to the winds much like rats on a sinking ship or cockroaches with the lights on.  Predictably, they set up their own little clones, which is where Aspen schools (http://http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1891082,00.html), Carlbrook, Benchmark, and the like came from...  and the apple didn't fall too far from the tree.  They changed the names of things so it wouldn't sound similar, but sure enough, shit sandwich by any other name...  Propheets became "Workshops" or "Lifestep Seminars" and so forth.  Each program has a different name but the practices are generally the same with a few relatively minor modifications.

Eventually, in time, as I predict will soon happen with MBA and Benchmark, the shitholes will get sued and/or shut down and the cycle will repeat itself, as it has done in the past.  These places spread like cancer.  Fucked up thing is the staff who start these places (at least the newer generations) truly think they're helping the kids and that they have the one true way to save kids lives.  They're that indoctrinated (sure the mountains of money help too).  Staff go through the workshops too, and live day in and day out around people who share their same kooky belief system (or at least don't contradict it).  After a while, they can't think outside the group.  Their whole life becomes the program, and they can't survive without it, which is why they need to recreate it when they leave.
Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
Post by: lil_thespian on April 17, 2009, 09:57:35 PM
so there's no chance whatsoever that carlbrook is different than these other schools?

It has been confirmed that this Tim Brace guy is there and his methods are still in full swing just under different names.. different lingo put into play...?

Is there any chance that Carlbrook could just honestly be a decent disciplinary school that helps kids...?

I went to their main webpage.. all of the kids look really happy in the pictures.. It's the nicest looking brainwashing facility I've ever seen.
Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
Post by: Che Gookin on April 17, 2009, 10:11:57 PM
There is a bit of controversy over Tim  Brace's methods. Some students swear by the guy and others say he's a fruitcake. Personally, the whole thing to me seems like the difference saying the word fuck in English and the word fuck in Chinese. Same word, different langauge, different sound, different intonation, and different cultural context.

But in the end it is still the word fuck.
Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
Post by: Anonymous on April 17, 2009, 10:19:22 PM
Quote from: "Che Gookin"
Tier 1- Direct linage to CEDU via Ex-Cedu employees or Students

Duckfarm------------------------Founded by-------------------------------current ex-CEDU employees/Residents

Benchmark                         Jane Longnecker                                  Joesph Powell
Monarch                                                                                        Tim Earle
Carlbrook                             Tim Brace                                          Tim Brace
Ventures                                Steve Rookey                                   Steve Rookey
Northwest Academy               RMA/Redux                                      
Aspen Swift River                  Rudy  Bentz  
Transitions of Galveston    
Island

Tier 2- Founders have worked at programs and have had some exposure to CEDU methodology, but are not ex-cedu employees or students.

Aspen Achievement Academy   - A couple of the founders came from ASR..                            
       




Help me out folks.. I'm consider turning this into something larger if I can get some hosting resources behind it. Just add to the list and feel free to correct any mistakes I've made.


What about people from Running Springs?
Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
Post by: Anonymous on April 17, 2009, 10:29:08 PM
Quote from: lil_thespian
so there's no chance whatsoever that carlbrook is different than these other schools?

It has been confirmed that this Tim Brace guy is there and his methods are still in full swing just under different names.. different lingo put into play...?

Is there any chance that Carlbrook could just honestly be a decent disciplinary school that helps kids...?

Whatever the controversy over what goes on inside Carlbrook, what is incontrovertible is that is abducts and holds young adults captive without due process or habeas corpus upon their guardians’ wishes. So, that in itself means that Tim Brace is a criminal and violator of human souls and destroyer of lives. All of these places “look” nice.
Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
Post by: dishdutyfugitive on April 17, 2009, 10:33:13 PM
Relative to the 1988 Scream/Rage/Scorched earth Power staff Tim Brace was relatively mellow.

Sure he fullfilled his weekly mandatory yelling quota but his yelling was a pleasantry compared to the likes of Steve Rookie, Stacy Wasserman, Caroline Wolfe, Randy Eide. (I'm surely forgetting a few other fucknuts...)

Tim was the headmaster. Therfore he wielded ultimate power 24/7. He didn't have to scream. He killed you with kindness.
His stare was his power weapon not his vocals. He'd pull you in under his wing and speak to you of the promised land. These tender little moments fortified your belief in the kool aid master plan. After a special moment with Tim you were enthusiastic about being a model CEDU student and ready to conquer the world.

One of the oldest tricks in the book - good cop / bad cop
Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
Post by: Che Gookin on April 17, 2009, 11:18:30 PM
Tier 1- Direct linage to CEDU via Ex-Cedu employees or Students

Duckfarm------------------------Founded by or with the help of -------------------------------current ex-CEDU employees/Residents

Benchmark ----------------------Jane Longnecker ---------------------Joesph Powell- Paul Ornaeles(?)
Monarch -------------------------Tim Earle, Steve Rookey-------------------Tim Earle and ?
Carlbrook------------------------Tim Brace -------------------------------Tim Brace and ?
Ventures------------------------ Steve Rookey ------------------------Steve Rookey
Northwest Academy------------ RMA/Redux
Aspen Swift River-------------- Rudy Bentz
Transitions of Galveston (Phasing out http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/p ... 0706.shtml (http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/publish/TransitionsGalvestonBN_080706.shtml))
Island
Echo Springs-----------------------Doug Kim Brown-------------------Doug Kim Brown (Please check for others http://http://www.echo-springs.com/home_staff.html
Ascent (confirmation needed http://http://www.ascent4teens.com/staff.htm--- mainly need the back story of Ascent. )
Mount Bachelor Academy    Confirmation of current CEDUites needed: http://http://www.mtba.com/team.html

Tier 2- Founders have worked at programs and have had some exposure to CEDU methodology, but are not ex-cedu employees or students.

Aspen Achievement Academy -------- A couple of the founders came from ASR..




**Running Springs is closed. If you know of any staff that has branched off to form their own cults let me know. I'll get them on the Tier 1 list.
**** Please help out with Mount Bachelor Academy. I need the link between MBA and CEDU.
***** Ascent.. I need the history and confirmation of any current CEDUites.

Thanks!
Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
Post by: dishdutyfugitive on April 17, 2009, 11:49:34 PM
CEDU to MBA Linkiage?

1990 - 1992

Tim brace  - MBA headmaster

Family head drones

Brett & Lisa Carey

Rey & Sharon Kreider


Bretts Clan and Ray Clans went to SWR (massachusets) in 92 to convert the heathen and fullfill their dream of being a CEDU demi god in the post modern world.

The end result?

Failure.

Where are they now?

Under an south pole iceberg .
Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
Post by: Che Gookin on April 18, 2009, 12:08:23 AM
Tier 1- Direct linage to CEDU via Ex-Cedu employees or Students

Duckfarm------------------------Founded by or with the help of -------------------------------current ex-CEDU employees/Residents

Benchmark ----------------------Jane Longnecker ---------------------Joesph Powell- Paul Ornaeles(?)
Monarch -------------------------Tim Earle, Steve Rookey-------------------Tim Earle and ?
Carlbrook------------------------Tim Brace -------------------------------Tim Brace and ?
Ventures------------------------ Steve Rookey ------------------------Steve Rookey
Northwest Academy------------ RMA/Redux
Aspen Swift River-------------- Rudy Bentz
Transitions of Galveston (Phasing out http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/p (http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/p) ... 0706.shtml)
Island
Echo Springs-----------------------Doug Kim Brown-------------------Doug Kim Brown-Lisa Sutton (Thanks bro!)
Ascent (confirmation needed http://www.ascent4teens.com/staff.htm--- (http://www.ascent4teens.com/staff.htm---) mainly need the back story of Ascent. )
Mount Bachelor Academy--------------Tim Brace--------------------------- Brett and Lisa Carey, Rey and Sharon Kreider
Shortridge Academy--------------------Adam Ranier/Bruce Wilson-------------

Tier 2- Founders have worked at programs and have had some exposure to CEDU methodology, but are not ex-cedu employees or students.

Aspen Achievement Academy -------- A couple of the founders came from ASR..




**Running Springs is closed. If you know of any staff that has branched off to form their own cults let me know. I'll get them on the Tier 1 list.
***** Ascent.. I need the history and confirmation of any current CEDUites.
***********http://http://www.shortridgeacademy.com/home.asp?Page=Faculty%20and%20Staff Any of these wankers look familiar?

Thanks!
Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2009, 12:17:51 AM
Quote from: "Che Gookin"
Tier 1- Direct linage to CEDU via Ex-Cedu employees or Students

Duckfarm------------------------Founded by or with the help of -------------------------------current ex-CEDU employees/Residents

Benchmark ----------------------Jane Longnecker ---------------------Joesph Powell- Paul Ornaeles(?)
Monarch -------------------------Tim Earle, Steve Rookey-------------------Tim Earle and ?
Carlbrook------------------------Tim Brace -------------------------------Tim Brace and ?
Ventures------------------------ Steve Rookey ------------------------Steve Rookey
Northwest Academy------------ RMA/Redux
Aspen Swift River-------------- Rudy Bentz
Transitions of Galveston (Phasing out http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/p (http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/p) ... 0706.shtml)
Island
Echo Springs-----------------------Doug Kim Brown-------------------Doug Kim Brown-Lisa Sutton (Thanks bro!)
Ascent (confirmation needed http://www.ascent4teens.com/staff.htm--- (http://www.ascent4teens.com/staff.htm---) mainly need the back story of Ascent. )
Mount Bachelor Academy--------------Tim Brace--------------------------- Brett and Lisa Carey, Rey and Sharon Kreider
Shortridge Academy--------------------Adam Ranier/Bruce Wilson-------------

Tier 2- Founders have worked at programs and have had some exposure to CEDU methodology, but are not ex-cedu employees or students.

Aspen Achievement Academy -------- A couple of the founders came from ASR..




**Running Springs is closed. If you know of any staff that has branched off to form their own cults let me know. I'll get them on the Tier 1 list.
***** Ascent.. I need the history and confirmation of any current CEDUites.
***********http://http://www.shortridgeacademy.com/home.asp?Page=Faculty%20and%20Staff Any of these wankers look familiar?

Thanks!

Cascade was a CEDU division. What about that place? and what happened to its ex staff
Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
Post by: dishdutyfugitive on April 18, 2009, 12:50:31 AM
Brett and Lisa Carey, Rey and Sharon Kreider first worked at MBA circa 1991 and then went to ASR in 1992ish as a

quasi

"hey CEDU RS cloned out a Bonners Ferry, ID RMA school in the early 80's"... let's do the same !!!
Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
Post by: Che Gookin on April 18, 2009, 03:27:31 AM
I'll fix the list in a bit Dish.. most likely when I'm not here at work with a bunch of 12 year olds looking over my shoulder debating amongst themselves what the word motherfucker means.

** As for Cascade and Running Springs and all the other branches of the CEDU cult that is a really damn good question that I'm curious to find the answer to myself. I think once we do enough leg work here it will be apparent just who and where these ex-ceduites ended up.

If you know of a former CEDUite of one of the other schools ending up starting or working at another program please give us all a heads up. So far its like tracing a ball of yarn. I can't wait till we start unravelling the Aspen connections.
Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
Post by: psy on April 18, 2009, 05:16:40 AM
Quote from: "lil_thespian"
so there's no chance whatsoever that carlbrook is different than these other schools?

It has been confirmed that this Tim Brace guy is there and his methods are still in full swing just under different names.. different lingo put into play...?

Is there any chance that Carlbrook could just honestly be a decent disciplinary school that helps kids...?

Highly unlikely.  I've talked to ex-CB students who report pretty much the exact same practices as happened at CEDU.

Quote
I went to their main webpage.. all of the kids look really happy in the pictures.. It's the nicest looking brainwashing facility I've ever seen.

Yes.  It does look nice.  It's a prep school CEDU.  They have latin names for the propheets to attempt to give quackery a whole new sophistocated sound.
Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
Post by: Che Gookin on April 18, 2009, 08:57:47 PM
Tier 1- Direct linage to CEDU via Ex-Cedu employees or Students

Duckfarm------------------------Founded by or with the help of -------------------------------current ex-CEDU employees/Residents

Benchmark ----------------------Jane Longnecker ---------------------Joesph Powell- Paul Ornaeles(?)
Monarch -------------------------Tim Earle, Steve Rookey-------------------Tim Earle and ?
Carlbrook------------------------Tim Brace -------------------------------Tim Brace and ?
Ventures------------------------ Steve Rookey ------------------------Steve Rookey
Northwest Academy------------ RMA/Redux
Aspen Swift River-------------- Rudy Bentz, Brett and Lisa Carey, Rey and Sharon Kreider
Transitions of Galveston (Phasing out http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/p (http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/p) ... 0706.shtml)
Island
Echo Springs-----------------------Doug Kim Brown-------------------Doug Kim Brown-Lisa Sutton (Thanks bro!)
Ascent (confirmation needed http://www.ascent4teens.com/staff.htm--- (http://www.ascent4teens.com/staff.htm---) mainly need the back story of Ascent. )
Mount Bachelor Academy--------------Tim Brace, Brett and Lisa Carey, Rey and Sharon Kreider-----------------
Shortridge Academy--------------------Adam Ranier/Bruce Wilson-------------

Tier 2- Founders have worked at programs and have had some exposure to CEDU methodology, but are not ex-cedu employees or students.

Aspen Achievement Academy -------- A couple of the founders came from ASR..




**Running Springs is closed. If you know of any staff that has branched off to form their own cults let me know. I'll get them on the Tier 1 list.
***** Ascent.. I need the history and confirmation of any current CEDUites.
***********http://www.shortridgeacademy.com/home.asp?Page=Faculty%20and%20Staff Any of these wankers look familiar?

Can't find a staff page for Northwest. Does anyone know what former CEDUites work there?
Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
Post by: try another castle on April 28, 2009, 01:18:42 AM
Che:

Patrick Stambusky founded Monarch. CEDU alum, CEDU staff. Now called Patrick McKenna, for unknown reasons.


Holy fucking shit, I had no idea that the Careys and the Kreiders worked at ASR and MBA.

Figures.
Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
Post by: Che Gookin on May 04, 2009, 02:56:22 AM
Yeah they apparently got around. The research dept(bro) dug up an article saying they went to work for a local elementry school in Idaho for a spell prior to shipping out to ASR. I looked over the site to the school in Idaho and it turned out to be one of those 8 to 1 pm gigs.

The lack of raps must have sent them packing double time.

I think I'll open a page on the fornits wiki for now for the CEDU watch as well. Not sure I have the interest just yet to push a full website. Given my dollars are being spent on travel more and more it makes sense financially.
Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
Post by: Oscar on May 04, 2009, 03:36:07 AM
The url to the CEDU spin-off category is: http://http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Category:CEDU_spin-off
Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
Post by: Ursus on May 24, 2009, 06:24:15 PM
The following place is especially pernicious, since its target population is "middle-school boys, ages 11-15," a particularly vulnerable and potentially fragile time (get them while they are young). Moreover, it might appear to be relatively easy for such a program to skimp on giving the kids even a shimmer of an adequate education, since they'll be long out of there prior to their anticipated high school graduation.

-:•0•:-

Re. Cherokee Creek Boys School (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=27573):

Founders:

Jackson Culotta - "Headmaster / Co-Founder and Mentor"
Former staff and head at RMA (mid 1990s), head at BCA (late 1990s), head at Cascade (2000-2001), and overall CEDU Admin (Idaho schools: RMA, BCA, NWA; mid-late 1990s).[/list]
Beth Black - "Co-Founder and Mentor" (also "President / Founder and Mentor" on a later webpage which does not include Culotta)
Former CEDU parent; Jackson Culotta was her son's therapist at either RMA or BCA.[/list]

Original Staff (2003) with known CEDU connections:

Ron May - "Manager of Outdoor Recreation / Plant Services and Mentor"
Five and a half years with CEDU, mostly at BCA, last working as a "logistics coordinator" for all three of the north Idaho schools.[/list]
Jane May - "Director of Operations / Human Resources and Mentor"
Ron's wife; five years of "financial management and operational oversight of all support service operations" for RMA, BCA, NWA, Ascent, and Milestones.[/list]
Genelle Petry - "Director of Admissions / Mentor" (also "Executive Director / Mentor" on a later webpage)
Eleven years experience (in 2003) in "residential/emotional growth schools" including being Admissions Director at Cascade School and also at Mount Bachelor Academy.[/list]

Original Staff (2003) with presumed CEDU connections:

E. Shaler Black - "Administrative Assistant / Mentor"
My guess is that this is Ron and Beth Black's son who ended up in Idaho. I have not been able to confirm this. Contents of Bio appear to have been removed from website.[/list]
Jill Culotta - "Family Center Counselor / Mentor"
This is Jackson Culotta's wife. Archiving of Bio appears to have been blocked.[/list]

Current Staff (2009) with known CEDU connections:

Beth Black - "Founder and President"
See above.[/list]
David LePere - "Executive Director"
Met his wife Janine while both were Counselors at MBA; "17 years of experience in therapeutic educational settings" including being "School Director and Executive Director for two therapeutic schools and a wilderness therapy program."[/list]


* There are other staff with other program and/or potential-program backgrounds, but which are not discernibly CEDU in origin. Plus... the most recent incarnation of CCBS's website is a bit more... circumspect, shall we say... about background specifics.
Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
Post by: Ursus on May 25, 2009, 02:23:19 PM
Coronado Academy - now defunct (in existence 2000-2004?), but responsible for yet another spinoff, namely New Summit Academy.

See details HERE (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=27574&p=332341#p332341).

Coronado Academy was owned by "Global Prosperity Schools" or by Saul Rudman, depending on source. Perhaps they are the same thing. Saul Rudman has been with CEDU since at least 1992, taking a few years off to run Coronado shortly after acting as Consultant to the Brown Schools/CEDU "merger." Lori Armbruster was another key employee at Coronado. She and Saul had worked together previously in Idaho. Both Rudman and Armbruster went back to work at CEDU or a CEDU spinoff after Coronado. I believe Rudman still does consultant work for Idaho Educational Services (i.e., Ascent, BCA, NWA). Lori Armbruster is currently Admissions Director at Second Nature (as of last year, after she left Monarch).

In an ironic twist of timing, Saul Rudman once did some consulting work for the program in my just previous post, namely, Cherokee Creek Boys School.

New Summit is a direct and philosophical outgrowth of Coronado after the latter went belly-up due to financial reasons. At least three key personnel from Coronado are now the new owners of New Summit. Some students even ended up attending both in 2004, since Coronado went out of business with little warning (gee, where else have I heard of such a scenario with relation to CEDU?  :D  ).
Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
Post by: Ursus on May 25, 2009, 04:06:35 PM
Quote from: "Ursus"
In an ironic twist of timing, Saul Rudman once did some consulting work for the program in my just previous post, namely, Cherokee Creek Boys School.

This "twist"' is no longer ironic. Based on a single post in this thread (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=8399#p84670) (with now defunct links), I've been able to track down and confirm that Jackson Culotta apparently did some consulting work for Coronado Academy as well. It was/is a mutual admiration society:


See HERE (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=8399&p=332344#p332344) for aforementioned updated data.
Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
Post by: Anonymous on June 03, 2009, 11:50:17 PM
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Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
Post by: -VOID- on June 09, 2009, 11:49:56 PM
theres a school in New Hampshire that has connection to student and staff from the 89-92 RMA days..
  gald to see these adults are being exposed.....

 some are still in the N.Idaho area....
Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
Post by: Ursus on June 10, 2009, 12:37:58 AM
Quote from: "-VOID-"
theres a school in New Hampshire that has connection to student and staff from the 89-92 RMA days..
  gald to see these adults are being exposed.....

 some are still in the N.Idaho area....

My guess is that you are referring to Shortridge Academy (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=25743)? Founder Adam Rainer and Counselor Mike Strader both went to RMA. From Rainer's brief bio (http://http://www.shortridgeacademy.com/home.asp?Page=Faculty%20and%20Staff) on SA's website:

Shortly after graduating from Rocky Mountain Academy, a therapeutic boarding school in Idaho, Adam realized that his personal life mission was to help other teenagers struggling to find success in life.[/list]

Shortridge Academy's Student Life Coordinator Amy Fuller also used to be a Counselor at Northwest Academy as well as two other places before coming to Shortridge (B.A. in Psychology from Cal State still in progress; so much for the myth of credentialed counselors).
Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
Post by: Anonymous on June 10, 2009, 12:48:38 AM
YOUR MOMA BEAR IS BACK....BAD DAY HU
Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
Post by: -VOID- on June 10, 2009, 10:49:22 AM
I know there are truly amazing people that work in these programs....how about the staff that are under qualified and have miss used there influence as an adult working around troubled teens. Why did Rookie pray on a girlfriend of mine after graduation??? Who is any adult that thinks its okay to yell and name call to a minor???..And why do these staff go from job to job? I have been employed twice since 91....I look back now and do thing RMA was nothing short of a freak show..Adults disclosing there most personal problems to these selfish,rich kids..LOL....LOL...LOL...come on what is this..my parents paid how much??
  I have tons of questions about RMA in the 89,91 era.I would never had sent my child off to some school with underqualified staff and pay 40K a year to have me ripped into,yelled at everyday and the favoritsm amongs staff and student was fuckin BS...
   To every old staffer back when i was there if u ever talk down to me or my family like u did when i was going through the program i would beat u down like the bithch u are...

NEW WORLD ORDER IS HERE....


RMA was a form of child abuse and who is accountable now????Staff played power games w/ students...


Lets face it most students as adults have TRUST FUNDS and are well taken care of..how about the graduates who are middle class working stiffs?? what did RMA do for my besides teach me manual labore. wish i had daddys money...
Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
Post by: -VOID- on June 10, 2009, 10:56:02 AM
Quote from: "Ursus"
Quote from: "-VOID-"
theres a school in New Hampshire that has connection to student and staff from the 89-92 RMA days..
  gald to see these adults are being exposed.....

 some are still in the N.Idaho area....

My guess is that you are referring to Shortridge Academy (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=25743)? Founder Adam Rainer and Counselor Mike Strader both went to RMA. From Rainer's brief bio (http://http://www.shortridgeacademy.com/home.asp?Page=Faculty%20and%20Staff) on SA's website:

    Shortly after graduating from Rocky Mountain Academy, a therapeutic boarding school in Idaho, Adam realized that his personal life mission was to help other teenagers struggling to find success in life.[/list]

    Shortridge Academy's Student Life Coordinator Amy Fuller also used to be a Counselor at Northwest Academy as well as two other places before coming to Shortridge (B.A. in Psychology from Cal State still in progress; so much for the myth of credentialed counselors).


    Credible,qualified or are they just trust funder rich kids...what is it???  If Adam didn't have the fincial backing would he have neen able to open a school...he was one of the favorite kids because his daddy has VERY deep pockets..
    Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
    Post by: Ursus on June 10, 2009, 01:16:58 PM
    Quote from: "-VOID-"
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    Quote from: "-VOID-"
    theres a school in New Hampshire that has connection to student and staff from the 89-92 RMA days..
      gald to see these adults are being exposed.....

     some are still in the N.Idaho area....
    My guess is that you are referring to Shortridge Academy (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=25743)? Founder Adam Rainer and Counselor Mike Strader both went to RMA. From Rainer's brief bio (http://http://www.shortridgeacademy.com/home.asp?Page=Faculty%20and%20Staff) on SA's website:

      Shortly after graduating from Rocky Mountain Academy, a therapeutic boarding school in Idaho, Adam realized that his personal life mission was to help other teenagers struggling to find success in life.[/list]

      Shortridge Academy's Student Life Coordinator Amy Fuller also used to be a Counselor at Northwest Academy as well as two other places before coming to Shortridge (B.A. in Psychology from Cal State still in progress; so much for the myth of credentialed counselors).
      Credible,qualified or are they just trust funder rich kids...what is it???  If Adam didn't have the fincial backing would he have neen able to open a school...he was one of the favorite kids because his daddy has VERY deep pockets..

      LOLOLOL. Curious, isn't it, that parents with deep pockets often seem to have kids with "better character," at least as far as these mind-rape mills are concerned... Kinda makes the point that these places are businesses first, regardless of whatever ideology gets spewed to that end.

      (Some might well disagree with me on that last point; I do think it's pretty close to being neck to neck between the ideologues vs. the pragmatics in this industry.)
      Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
      Post by: -VOID- on June 10, 2009, 02:11:14 PM
      Quote from: "Ursus"
      Quote from: "-VOID-"
      Quote from: "Ursus"
      Quote from: "-VOID-"
      theres a school in New Hampshire that has connection to student and staff from the 89-92 RMA days..
        gald to see these adults are being exposed.....

       some are still in the N.Idaho area....
      My guess is that you are referring to Shortridge Academy (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=25743)? Founder Adam Rainer and Counselor Mike Strader both went to RMA. From Rainer's brief bio (http://http://www.shortridgeacademy.com/home.asp?Page=Faculty%20and%20Staff) on SA's website:

        Shortly after graduating from Rocky Mountain Academy, a therapeutic boarding school in Idaho, Adam realized that his personal life mission was to help other teenagers struggling to find success in life.[/list]

        Shortridge Academy's Student Life Coordinator Amy Fuller also used to be a Counselor at Northwest Academy as well as two other places before coming to Shortridge (B.A. in Psychology from Cal State still in progress; so much for the myth of credentialed counselors).
        Credible,qualified or are they just trust funder rich kids...what is it???  If Adam didn't have the fincial backing would he have neen able to open a school...he was one of the favorite kids because his daddy has VERY deep pockets..

        LOLOLOL. Curious, isn't it, that parents with deep pockets often seem to have kids with "better character," at least as far as these mind-rape mills are concerned... Kinda makes the point that these places are businesses first, regardless of whatever ideology gets spewed to that end.

        (Some might well disagree with me on that last point; I do think it's pretty close to being neck to neck between the ideologues vs. the pragmatics in this

        Think about it! Here is a school that has a very wealthy clientele. back in the day there was alot of staff ass kissing to those parents that had deep pockets.
        Many finacial deals have been made between staff,student and parent and yes those kids were the favored ones. these schools are about the profit end of story. These owners of these schools have made millions from the indusrty as any other corporate american company. Wasserman is no diffrent. I heard he had enrolled RMA with so many students that the bookssshowed a huge finical gain in a 10 yr cycle. That's how a business is sold for millions. Waserman knew he was planning to sell yrs before the sale. He knew the industry better than most. And his resources he had with knowing his students parents is endless. Could a student get enrolled at CEDU/RMA if there parents were working class americans? Most likey not.
        Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
        Post by: -VOID- on June 10, 2009, 02:19:26 PM
        Quote from: "Ursus"
        Quote from: "-VOID-"
        theres a school in New Hampshire that has connection to student and staff from the 89-92 RMA days..
          gald to see these adults are being exposed.....

         some are still in the N.Idaho area....

        My guess is that you are referring to Shortridge Academy (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=25743)? Founder Adam Rainer and Counselor Mike Strader both went to RMA. From Rainer's brief bio (http://http://www.shortridgeacademy.com/home.asp?Page=Faculty%20and%20Staff) on SA's website:

          Shortly after graduating from Rocky Mountain Academy, a therapeutic boarding school in Idaho, Adam realized that his personal life mission was to help other teenagers struggling to find success in life.[/list]

          Shortridge Academy's Student Life Coordinator Amy Fuller also used to be a Counselor at Northwest Academy as well as two other places before coming to Shortridge (B.A. in Psychology from Cal State still in progress; so much for the myth of credentialed counselors).

          Hey just because u have been educated does not mean a dam thing. its what u support and protect. Look at the catholic church. Organized educated men with all the resources and they are the abusers. Would u ever send u'r kid to RMA if u know what u know now??
          Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
          Post by: fulltimer on June 10, 2009, 02:56:20 PM
          Saul Rudman was a Wassermanite at the CEDU schools.  Didn't he do  a stint at that WWASP place in  Costa Rica that was raided and closed down/ Or am I confusing that school with another gulag for teens?  Not a surprise he resurfaced at yet another money maker.
          Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
          Post by: -VOID- on June 10, 2009, 03:10:46 PM
          Quote from: "fulltimer"
          Saul Rudman was a Wassermanite at the CEDU schools.  Didn't he do  a stint at that WWASP place in  Costa Rica that was raided and closed down/ Or am I confusing that school with another gulag for teens?  Not a surprise he resurfaced at yet another money maker.


          Not sure about WWASP. but would gladly bet there is a connection of some sort.
          Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
          Post by: Ursus on June 10, 2009, 03:35:58 PM
          Quote from: "fulltimer"
          Saul Rudman was a Wassermanite at the CEDU schools.  Didn't he do  a stint at that WWASP place in  Costa Rica that was raided and closed down/ Or am I confusing that school with another gulag for teens?  Not a surprise he resurfaced at yet another money maker.

          The WWASP program in Costa Rica that was raided and closed down was Dundee Ranch Academy (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2293). I don't think Rudman had anything to do with them, officially at any rate, but I could be wrong.

          He was, however, founder of another Costa Rican program called Coronado Academy (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=27352&start=15#p332343). That program is now defunct due to financial reasons, but out of its ashes evolved yet another program called New Summit Academy (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=27574) (still in existence).

          There is also some ill-defined connection between Coronado and Cherokee Creek Boys School (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=27573) (South Carolina), since the founders of each have also claimed being consultants for the other in their CVs at some point...
          Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
          Post by: Anonymous on June 10, 2009, 09:58:45 PM
          WE KNOW ALL THESE BLOGS ARE YOU GIA, ALL OF THEM.  THESE SLANDEROUS ACCUSATIONS ARE ILLEGAL. SLANDER IS AN UNTRUTHFUL ORAL OR WRITTEN STATEMENT ABOUT A PERSON THAT HARMS THE PERSON'S REPUTATION OR STANDING IN THE COMMUNITY.  WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO TAKE LEGAL ACTION AGAINST YOU FOR YOUR UNTRUE CLAIMS.  EVERYONE YOU HAVE SLANDERED HERE HAS THE RIGHT TO TAKE LEGAL ACTION AGAINST YOU.  THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE YOU ARE SLANDERING ON A DAILY BASIS.

          WE EXPECT YOU TO IMMEDIATELY CEASE SLANDERING.
          Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
          Post by: Son Of Serbia on June 18, 2009, 04:19:17 PM
          Quote from: "HI GIA"
          WE KNOW ALL THESE BLOGS ARE YOU GIA, ALL OF THEM.  THESE SLANDEROUS ACCUSATIONS ARE ILLEGAL. SLANDER IS AN UNTRUTHFUL ORAL OR WRITTEN STATEMENT ABOUT A PERSON THAT HARMS THE PERSON'S REPUTATION OR STANDING IN THE COMMUNITY.  WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO TAKE LEGAL ACTION AGAINST YOU FOR YOUR UNTRUE CLAIMS.  EVERYONE YOU HAVE SLANDERED HERE HAS THE RIGHT TO TAKE LEGAL ACTION AGAINST YOU.  THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE YOU ARE SLANDERING ON A DAILY BASIS.

          WE EXPECT YOU TO IMMEDIATELY CEASE SLANDERING.


          Well now that Russ has been convicted, one can only hope that you'll finally shut up, and
          stop flooding our message boards with your stupid bullshit!  Russ battered his adolelscent
          stepson, and his savage attack was completely unprovoked.  This is all a matter of public record now, and Russ can't run away or hide from this truth.  It will follow him for the rest of his miserable, pathetic life.  Those of us who suffered from Russ's abuse at cedu, already knew what kind of savage animal he is.  Now that the courts have convicted him, the rest of the world (non-cedu survivors) has the oppurtunity to see Russ for what he really is as well.
          I'm definately feeling a slight tingle of vindication here, and I like it.  As for you "HI GIA",
          I guess the only thing left for you to do is  crawl back under that rock where you came from.
          That is of course, if you haven't already done so.
          Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
          Post by: Anonymous on July 13, 2009, 03:01:56 PM
          Hello,

          My name is S. DeGon, and I am a private investigator hired by a family member to investigate the monarch academy. I need to talk to individuals who my have wittnessed any form of abuse within the academy. Also, anyone who my have attended the Rocky Mountain Academy in Idaho. Please contact us at www.degoninvestigations.com (http://www.degoninvestigations.com) and call our office.
          Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
          Post by: Che Gookin on August 01, 2009, 11:40:40 AM
          Any updates to be made on this thread?
          Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
          Post by: Anonymous on August 08, 2009, 03:42:38 AM
          I think many of these so called schools are used as dumping grounds for lost boys from polygamist mormon sects
          Title: Homelines, Boundarylines
          Post by: Ursus on August 26, 2009, 10:58:26 AM
          There's a small program based in Moyie Springs, Idaho, called Homelines, which is run by former Rocky Mountain Academy staff member Richard Armstrong and his wife. A thread on it can be found HERE (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=28340).

          Armstrong has also been operating an escort/teen transport service called Boundarylines since 1990... And has also taken youth on Alaskan Adventures of some sort (this latter enterprise seems to boil down to Armstrong taking one or two youth at a time ... for a few months of hanging out in the Alaskan wilderness).

          In addition to RMA, Armstrong has also worked at the programs Pathfinders Way and Squaw Valley Academy.

          In 1999, Richard Armstrong was found guilty in civil court of drugging and raping an employee of his company, Boundarylines. He was ordered to pay this former employee $164,595.

          Homelines is on ISAC's Watch List (http://http://www.isaccorp.org/documentsam.asp#homelines).
          Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
          Post by: Che Gookin on August 27, 2009, 02:03:21 AM
          Tier 1- Direct linage to CEDU via Ex-Cedu employees or Students

          Duckfarm------------------------Founded by or with the help of -------------------------------current ex-CEDU employees/Residents

          Benchmark ----------------------Jane Longnecker ---------------------Joesph Powell- Paul Ornaeles(?)
          Monarch -------------------------Tim Earle, Steve Rookey-------------------Tim Earle and ?
          Carlbrook------------------------Tim Brace -------------------------------Tim Brace and ?
          Ventures------------------------ Steve Rookey ------------------------Steve Rookey
          Northwest Academy------------ RMA/Redux
          Aspen Swift River-------------- Rudy Bentz, Brett and Lisa Carey, Rey and Sharon Kreider
          Transitions of Galveston (Phasing out http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/p (http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/p) ... 0706.shtml)
          Island
          Echo Springs-----------------------Doug Kim Brown-------------------Doug Kim Brown-Lisa Sutton (Thanks bro!)
          Ascent (confirmation needed http://www.ascent4teens.com/staff.htm--- (http://www.ascent4teens.com/staff.htm---) mainly need the back story of Ascent. )
          Mount Bachelor Academy--------------Tim Brace, Brett and Lisa Carey, Rey and Sharon Kreider
          Shortridge Academy--------------------Adam Ranier/Bruce Wilson-------------
          Cherokee Creek School----------------Jackson Culotta/Beth Black
                         Ron May/Jane May
                         Genelle Petry
                         David LePere
          Coronada ------------------------------ Saul Rudman (program closed down and reopened under new management as New Summit Academy)
          Homelines-------------------------------Richard Armstrong


          Tier 2- Founders have worked at programs and have had some exposure to CEDU methodology, but are not ex-cedu employees or students.

          Aspen Achievement Academy -------- A couple of the founders came from ASR..
          New Summit Academy----------- Key members worked with Saul Rudman at Coronada                
                         -->Coranada Employees now in charge at NSW:
                            Mario Duran
                            Heather Tracy
                            Andy Myers




          **Running Springs is closed. If you know of any staff that has branched off to form their own cults let me know. I'll get them on the Tier 1 list.
          ***** Ascent.. I need the history and confirmation of any current CEDUites.
          ***********http://www.shortridgeacademy.com/home.asp?Page=Faculty%20and%20Staff Any of these wankers look familiar?


          Updated....
          Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
          Post by: try another castle on August 31, 2009, 06:16:01 PM
          Che: still no Patrick Stambusky/McKenna listing for Monarch. He founded the place, as far as I know.. not Tim.
          Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
          Post by: RMA Survivor on August 31, 2009, 10:17:09 PM
          The person Richard Armstrong raped was also a former RMA staff member.  

          What is remarkable is how Tim Brace, Steve Rookie, Richard Armstrong, Caroline Wolfe... None of them had college degrees, actual licensing or formal training in any of these emotional therapy areas.  Steve Rookie was hired to be the cook for RMA back in 1985.  Richard Armstrong was a handyman at RMA in 1984.  Not even a real staff member really.  But these people saw the money to be made, which is why they got deeper and deeper in to it all.  

          Becoming an escort/bounty hunter?  What nonsense!  Armstrong had no more skill or background or knowledge of that than he did therapy and counseling.  

          Brett Carey and Lisa Carey?  These two arrived at RMA in late 84 or early 85 and were the most calm, rational of the staff there at the time.  Polite, friendly and completely innocent.  But that soon changed.  Within months they were "experts".  Soon running raps, helping facilitate propheets.  And no experience in any of this stuff.  It's all Kool-aid drinking and "show me the money!" for these people.

          Caroline Wolfe had attended CEDU as a student.  Her background was for sex.  As I recall she was prostituting herself on the streets of LA and her parents didn't like that.  Next thing she is a staff at RMA shortly after it opened in 1982.  Full of anger and self-righteousness, but no training.  Patient one day, doctor the next.  Most high schools had a sex education class.  RMA had Caroline Wolfe.  Every rap, every word out of her mouth was about sex.  All girls were sluts or teases, all guys were looking for a cheap piece of ass and treated all girls as pieces of meat.  But being staff wasn't enough for our new patient-turned doctor.  Caroline Wolfe hooked up with former RMA student Jackie Guber, daughter to the famous Barbara Walters and started their own school.  New Hampshire or Maine was where it was located.  So Jackie too went from being a patient to being a doctor ready to cure teens with her two years of RMA experience under her belt.

          Tim Brace?  What a nutcase!  The guy barely had a high school education.  He did horrible, horrible things to himself and others before somehow being sent to RMA to run the show by Mel Wasserman.  And he yelled and screamed all the time.  Yes, he smiled a lot, tried to act all warm and fuzzy, but deep down he was a sadist.  Running a school?  What possible training or schooling or experience did he have?  Zero!  Giving therapy to teens?  Nada!  Professional counseling experience?  Zip!  He was a sadist, running a prison camp.  Even the Nazi's had people with experience in such positions.  Did you ever once hear a single RMA or CEDU staff member professionally diagnose a students actual issues?  Their trauma's?  They weren't TRAINED!!  They had no clue.  They made it up as they went along, constantly adjusting the program, altering propheets, coming up with new catch-phrases to throw around and that was all they were really capable of.  

          Russ Decker?  The guy was a bully and admitted it when he arrived at RMA in 1984.  You could see the anger just under the surface every day.  He always jumped in during raps to scream loudest, always with trivial comments but at the loudest volume.  He loved it!  He spoke in every propheet and later every rap about how he had beat the shit out of people all his life.  How his father encouraged it.  And while at RMA, mainly he talked to others about it, not so much to say how he has dealt with it himself, but just to say he had been there, done that.  More like showing off.  He whizzed through RMA, probably one of the biggest "look goods" to grace the school with his presence.  Outside of staff presence he was always the bully, always looking to knock someone down, literally or figuratively.  His cop outs always ate up hours in a proheet.  He had no end to list of shit he had done.  To learn he beat his own step-son?  Yeah!  No surprise there!  Like father, like son!  RMA didn't teach you to deal with it and get better.  These schools reinforced it.  Russ Decker as a staff member?  No different than Caroline Wolfe or her boyfriend Randy Eide.  Randy was also a former CEDU student.  Street fighter, boxer who loved to hurt people.  Made in to a staff member.  

          What blows me away is that in my work, everyone is given drug screens, background checks.  They find stuff on you from way back!  But somehow all these totally unqualified staff, with the most wicked backgrounds, manage to find plenty of work around kids.  Could you imagine a normal school hiring one of these people?  The parents in the neighborhood would go berserk!  People would lose their jobs for hiring such deranged, sadistic, criminals, lacking in college degrees and professional backgrounds.  And this goes to show that the Teen Emotional Growth industry has slightly different standards.
          Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
          Post by: Che Gookin on September 01, 2009, 03:03:48 AM
          Quote from: "try another castle"
          Che: still no Patrick Stambusky/McKenna listing for Monarch. He founded the place, as far as I know.. not Tim.

          Tier 1- Direct linage to CEDU via Ex-Cedu employees or Students

          Duckfarm------------------------Founded by or with the help of -------------------------------current ex-CEDU employees/Residents

          Benchmark ----------------------Jane Longnecker ---------------------Joesph Powell- Paul Ornaeles(?)
          Monarch -------------------------Patrick Stambusky/McKenna-------------------Tim Earle and ?
                                                       Steve Rookey
          Carlbrook------------------------Tim Brace -------------------------------Tim Brace and ?
          Ventures------------------------ Steve Rookey ------------------------Steve Rookey
          Northwest Academy------------ RMA/Redux
          Aspen Swift River-------------- Rudy Bentz, Brett and Lisa Carey, Rey and Sharon Kreider
          Transitions of Galveston (Phasing out http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/p (http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/p) ... 0706.shtml)
          Island
          Echo Springs-----------------------Doug Kim Brown-------------------Doug Kim Brown-Lisa Sutton (Thanks bro!)
          Ascent (confirmation needed http://www.ascent4teens.com/staff.htm--- (http://www.ascent4teens.com/staff.htm---) mainly need the back story of Ascent. )
          Mount Bachelor Academy--------------Tim Brace, Brett and Lisa Carey, Rey and Sharon Kreider
          Shortridge Academy--------------------Adam Ranier/Bruce Wilson-------------
          Cherokee Creek School----------------Jackson Culotta/Beth Black
          Ron May/Jane May
          Genelle Petry
          David LePere
          Coronada ------------------------------ Saul Rudman (program closed down and reopened under new management as New Summit Academy)
          Homelines-------------------------------Richard Armstrong


          Tier 2- Founders have worked at programs and have had some exposure to CEDU methodology, but are not ex-cedu employees or students.

          Aspen Achievement Academy -------- A couple of the founders came from ASR..
          New Summit Academy----------- Key members worked with Saul Rudman at Coronada
          -->Coranada Employees now in charge at NSW:
          Mario Duran
          Heather Tracy
          Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
          Post by: Anonymous on September 03, 2009, 07:33:44 PM
          I was a student at cascade from mid 86 to 1990. Don't ask, I was held back innumerable times, and as the only insurance case I know of at the time I was there, I now think there were alterior motives obviously.  When I got there   there were students named  Grant Price, and  Justin Merritt at cascade.  I can't remember the others I recognized on their website.  These were definitely cascade students.  Anyone else know any info on them?
          Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
          Post by: Anonymous on September 03, 2009, 07:35:53 PM
          oh sorry grant price and justin merritt was in reference to carlbrook.
          Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
          Post by: Ursus on September 03, 2009, 08:06:45 PM
          Quote from: "lena"
          I was a student at cascade from mid 86 to 1990. Don't ask, I was held back innumerable times, and as the only insurance case I know of at the time I was there, I now think there were alterior motives obviously.  When I got there   there were students named  Grant Price, and  Justin Merritt at cascade.  I can't remember the others I recognized on their website.  These were definitely cascade students.  Anyone else know any info on them?
          Quote from: "lena"
          oh sorry grant price and justin merritt was in reference to carlbrook.
          Sorry, I'm confused... Are you saying that Grant Price and Justin Merritt (who were both part of the founding lineup at Carlbrook in 2001*) were both students at Cascade School when you were there during 1986-1990?


          * Founders & Board of Regents (http://http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives/2001/10/np4.html), Carlbrook School (2001):[/b]

          Glenn F. Bender, Ph.D., Dean of Academics
          Justin J. Merritt J. D., Dean of Faculty and Administration
          Jonathan Gurney, M.S.W., L.C.S.W., Dean of Advising
          Timothy B. Brace, M.A., Dean of Students
          R. Grant Price, M.A., Dean of Admissions
          Jason L. Merritt, M.D., Consulting Physician[/list]
          Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
          Post by: try another castle on September 04, 2009, 03:21:57 PM
          Quote from: "Ursus"
          Quote from: "lena"
          I was a student at cascade from mid 86 to 1990. Don't ask, I was held back innumerable times, and as the only insurance case I know of at the time I was there, I now think there were alterior motives obviously.  When I got there   there were students named  Grant Price, and  Justin Merritt at cascade.  I can't remember the others I recognized on their website.  These were definitely cascade students.  Anyone else know any info on them?
          Quote from: "lena"
          oh sorry grant price and justin merritt was in reference to carlbrook.
          Sorry, I'm confused... Are you saying that Grant Price and Justin Merritt (who were both part of the founding lineup at Carlbrook in 2001*) were both students at Cascade School when you were there during 1986-1990?


          * Founders & Board of Regents (http://http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives/2001/10/np4.html), Carlbrook School (2001):[/b]

            Glenn F. Bender, Ph.D., Dean of Academics
            Justin J. Merritt J. D., Dean of Faculty and Administration
            Jonathan Gurney, M.S.W., L.C.S.W., Dean of Advising
            Timothy B. Brace, M.A., Dean of Students
            R. Grant Price, M.A., Dean of Admissions
            Jason L. Merritt, M.D., Consulting Physician[/list]

            Im pretty sure they were staff. I recall several people saying, right when the carlbrook issue came to light on this forum, that it was started by both ex-cedu and ex-cascade staff.
            Title: Grant Price, Justin Merritt of Cascade School
            Post by: Ursus on September 04, 2009, 07:39:58 PM
            Quote from: "try another castle"
            Quote from: "Ursus"
            Quote from: "lena"
            I was a student at cascade from mid 86 to 1990. Don't ask, I was held back innumerable times, and as the only insurance case I know of at the time I was there, I now think there were alterior motives obviously.  When I got there   there were students named  Grant Price, and  Justin Merritt at cascade.  I can't remember the others I recognized on their website.  These were definitely cascade students.  Anyone else know any info on them?
            Quote from: "lena"
            oh sorry grant price and justin merritt was in reference to carlbrook.
            Sorry, I'm confused... Are you saying that Grant Price and Justin Merritt (who were both part of the founding lineup at Carlbrook in 2001*) were both students at Cascade School when you were there during 1986-1990?


            * Founders & Board of Regents (http://http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives/2001/10/np4.html), Carlbrook School (2001):[/b]

              Glenn F. Bender, Ph.D., Dean of Academics
              Justin J. Merritt J. D., Dean of Faculty and Administration
              Jonathan Gurney, M.S.W., L.C.S.W., Dean of Advising
              Timothy B. Brace, M.A., Dean of Students
              R. Grant Price, M.A., Dean of Admissions
              Jason L. Merritt, M.D., Consulting Physician[/list]

              Im pretty sure they were staff. I recall several people saying, right when the carlbrook issue came to light on this forum, that it was started by both ex-cedu and ex-cascade staff.
              Mmmmm... Nah, I gonna tentatively go with students.

              1.) According to perusal of various "find people" type sites, Justin J. Merritt was born in January of 1969, and R. Grant Price was born in September of the same year. While birth dates from this source have been known to be wrong by a year or two on occasion, even if so, it'd still put them at a kinda young age to be staff (although I could be wrong).

              Assuming that the dates are correct (for the time being), if Lena did in fact arrive at Cascade in mid 1986, Merritt would have been 17 and a half, and Price would have been about 16 and three-quarters years old. It is entirely believable that when Lena got there, "there were students named  Grant Price, and  Justin Merritt at cascade.  I can't remember the others I recognized on their website.  These were definitely cascade students."

              2.) According to a Carlbrook School Visit Report (http://http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/publish/printer_CarlbrookSchoolVR_031027.shtml) by Loi Eberle published on Struggling Teens Oct 27, 2003 (visit took place on June 24, 2003), both Kelly Dunbar, Assistant Dean of Admissions, and Grant Price commented on the fact that Carlbrook administration has both a former director and a former student perspective (bold emphasis mine):

              Since Carlbrook is a relatively new school, I asked about its origins. Kelly named the founders and deans of this school: Timothy B. Brace, M.A., Dean of Students, Glenn F. Bender, Ph.D., Dean of Academics, Justin J. Merritt J. D., Dean of Faculty; John Henson, M.B.A., Dean of Administration, Jonathan Gurney, M.S.W., L.C.S.W., Dean of Advising, Jason L. Merritt, M.D., Consulting Physician and Grant Price, M.A. Dean of Admission. Three of these seven had directed emotional growth programs, and four had been successful graduates from various ones. They had collectively dreamed about creating this school for quite awhile, and eventually solidified their plans and located this property, with its elegant buildings and large grounds, which seems a perfect location.

              When Grant joined us on the porch he talked about what it was like to run the school with this team of directors. Grant laughed about the length of some of their meetings, which sometimes were heated discussions between those who had been former directors and those who were the graduates of previous schools. They would closely examine the vision of emotional growth education in theory, and then would hear feedback about what parts of it had actually been effective in practice.
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              Title: Re: Grant Price, Justin Merritt of Cascade School
              Post by: Ursus on September 07, 2009, 11:33:59 PM
              Quote from: "Ursus"
              I gonna tentatively go with students.
              Bear rooting amongst the campground leftovers, continued:



              3.) From Classmates.com (couldn't find an entry for Justin Merritt):

              Grant Price (http://http://www.classmates.com/directory/public/memberprofile/list.htm?regId=7330810120)
              Cascade High School
              Whitmore, CA
              Class of 1988[/list]

              4.) Some excerpts from a blog entry by someone who went to Cascade 1988-1992 (age 12-16?). The entry describes going to a book signing for Gone to the Crazies: A Memoir (http://http://www.amazon.com/Gone-Crazies-Memoir-Alison-Weaver/dp/0061189588?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1184561299&sr=1-1) by Alison Weaver (who went to Cascade and wasn't too positive about it), and consequently meeting up with a few other Cascadians, one of whom attended Cascade from 1986-1988.

              From The Book Signing. (http://http://mommamiameaculpa.com/?p=579) (Sunday, July 29th, 2007) (bold emphasis mine):

              ...Then again, as I flipped through the pages, there were other people I haven't thought about since I was 14 years old. I wondered what happened to them? Marc had some of the answers. Some people died, drug over doses, or medical conditions. Some were married to each other and had children. Some went on to do great things with their lives. A few of the other students have formed a new school, located in Virginia based on some of the Cascade concepts. We Googled random students names, to find some alarming articles about other Cascade Graduates and some Cascadians have simply dropped off the face of the earth.

              I cried, I laughed. I remembered some people with fondness and others with crossness for ripping into me during forums. I saw photos of the students coming out of the 'Summit Workshop' dressed in all white. I saw the 'Dishes Committee' and was vividly reminded of the people who used to put me on Grill every single night. I saw the names of the 'Families' the school was divided into. I had completely forgotten the 'Family' names. I read quotes in yearbook that were used as 'tools' in workshops and celebrations along the way at Cascade. I was reminded of the acceptable music that pumped through the main house on campus. It was a wild journey down memory lane. We took funny pictures and reminisced until 2 am...

              <... snip snip ...>

              I arrived safely home and tucked into my bed by 330am. But I couldn't sleep. There was still too much going on in my head. Even days later there still is. I am interested in finding out more about the Carlbrook school, located in VA, because I am very curious, since three former Cascade students are on the faculty: John Henson, Justin Merrit, and Grant Price. I am interested in finding other Cascadians. I am dying to do some real research on the evolution of the school, and obtain a detailed version, fact based, about the exact nature of what led to the downfall of Cascade...
              [/list]

              5.) According to one of the comments (http://http://mommamiameaculpa.com/?p=579#comment-4909) to the above blog post, Glenn Bender and Kelly Dunbar were also from Cascade:

              Re: the school in Virginia, there are a number of people associated with Cascade who are now on faculty there, including Glenn Bender and Kelly Dunbar.[/list]
              Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
              Post by: Ursus on September 08, 2009, 12:26:55 AM
              Summary of the previous two posts, in case ya can't bear to read through all of it:

              Re. current Carlbrook School staff/administrators who were previously at Cascade School:

              [/li][/list][/li][/list]
              Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
              Post by: Che Gookin on October 04, 2010, 05:06:59 AM
              any updates needed to the CEDUWATCH list?
              Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
              Post by: cooltherapy on October 05, 2010, 09:33:52 PM
              Yes! Carlbrook kids are ready to speak... help!

              Class action lawsuits cannot be filed in Virginia.... guess that's why the former CEDU and Cascade staff members decided to move all the way out to a tobacco plantation in Virginia.

              What other options are there? This school is using many of the same emotionally abusive tactics that were used at CEDU. What exactly is CEDUWATCH? Is this here so that we can just list places that should be shut down? Or is there anything that could be done???
              Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
              Post by: Che Gookin on October 05, 2010, 10:36:01 PM
              Just a list at this point.
              Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
              Post by: USCGPsYkRo on February 22, 2011, 01:32:47 AM
              Just to clarify, Kelly Dunbar was a staff member at Cascade.  She was one of the only real people at Cascade, and one of the most amazing women I know.  She's been a great friend over the past 12 years since I graduated from Cascade.  I still have mixed emotions about Cascade, and am honestly fucked in the head because of Cascade, but Kelly has been a saving grace for me since my graduation from there.
              Title: Re: CEDUWATCH updated list
              Post by: Che Gookin on March 29, 2012, 05:13:56 AM
              Gotta update this sucker one of these days. So many new CEDU clones out there.