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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Anne Bonney on October 15, 2009, 02:02:39 PM
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I'll be at the hearing again. Anyone else wants to go, contact me.
http://http://www.tampabay.com/news/localgovernment/request-to-add-cupola-evokes-madeira-beach-dispute-of-2005/1036442
Request to add cupola evokes Madeira Beach dispute of 2005
By Sheila Mullane Estrada, Times Correspondent
In Print: Wednesday, September 16, 2009
MADEIRA BEACH — After a contentious neighborhood zoning dispute in 2005, a small cupola topped by a cross was taken down and stored away.
Now four years later, Father Cassian Newton, formerly known as Miller Newton, wants the city to let him put the cupola back on the chapel roof of his Christ at the Sea Foundation religious retreat.
The converted home at 13280 Fourth St. E and the foundation-owned duplex next door operate as a temporary residence and prayer center for members of the Orthodox Church of Antioch. Currently, seven people are living at the religious complex.
The cupola in question was the trigger for a zoning dispute in 2005. Neighbors circulated a petition demanding the cupola be removed and that the property owners not be allowed to operate a church at the site.
The zoning controversy was further complicated when former clients of the Straight Inc. drug treatment program crowded city zoning hearings to protest Newton's involvement with the program.
The controversy ended after Newton successfully sought a special exception to continue operating the religious retreat.
But, as part of then-Special Master Herbert E. Langford's ruling, Newton was ordered to remove the 51-inch cupola and 38-inch cross from the chapel.
The order allowed the foundation to keep three other long-standing crosses and a sign, but specified that "no additional signs nor symbols of any type shall be added to the property's exterior."
Langford also ruled that "by all outward appearances, the property is residential to maintain its compatibility with the neighborhood and character of the area."
Last month, City Attorney Michael Connolly said reinstalling the "cupola with a cross is not consistent" with Langford's June 2005 ruling.
Newton said Tuesday he has informed his immediate neighbors of the foundation's intent to reinstall the cupola on the chapel roof.
"I don't think we will have the same problems. We had a lot of neighbors apologizing to us for being misled into signing the petition," Newton said.
He said the cross and cupola have been in the garage too long.
"The cupola was a donation from one of our supporters and his feelings were hurt when we had to take it down. We are trying to correct that," Newton said.
The cupola would be placed on the rear of the chapel roof, about 15 feet farther back from its original location. Newton's application points to five similar cupolas in the area, including one that has a cross.
Paula Cohen, the city's planning and zoning director, said Newton's request requires a special exception and cannot be approved unless first reviewed by the city's Planning Commission and subsequently agreed to by the city's current special master, James Denhardt.
The Planning Commission is scheduled to meet on Oct. 12.
Newton's request could be heard at the following special master hearing on Oct. 26, according to Cohen.
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You think he's gonna show up in the straight mobile? also.... take pics of the show please.
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I'll be at the hearing again. Anyone else wants to go, contact me.
Consider yourself contacted :bs:
"The cupola was a donation from one of our supporters and his feelings were hurt when we had to take it down. We are trying to correct that," Newton said.
What of the hudreds, if not thousands of others (us) "feelings were hurt"...why not make amends to us as he does is donatee? :bs:
Call to Arms! Call to Arms! Call to Arms!
Man your battle stations! Man your battle stations! Man your battle stations!
Warning! Warning! Warning!
Red Alert! Red Alert! Red Alert!
This is NOT a drill! Repeat, This is NOT a drill!
:soapbox: :twofinger: :soapbox: :flame: :soapbox: :moon: :soapbox: ::unhappy:: ::unhappy:: ::unhappy:: :soapbox:
"And the meek shall inherit the earth"...Jesus Christ, Sermon on the Mount...Perhaps best said in 2112 [ I. Overture ] Rush
"And blessed are the cheese makers...what's so special about the cheesemakers? ...obviously it's not meant to be taken literally; it refers to any manufacturers of dairy products" Life of Brian, Monty Python
(cupola, not sure what that is....Fransis Ford Cupola :notworthy: ...cupola old friends :-* ...cupola cold ones :cheers: ...cupola phatties :rasta: ?)
I think the smilies illustrate my emotions! The satarical, sarcasim and blatant plagerisim...well, that just makes me smile.(now I feel better)
October 26 according to Cohen is the date....Mark your Calendars and keep your powder dry! I am gonna go pre-wrap a few party favors....ahem :seg2:
Much Peace (with an effort at comic relief :seg: )
Much Healing (staring into the eyes of evil :poison: )
Woof
OBTW...Have HD Camera will travel, also have 300lb psychotic friend as an assistant camera man. Anne, he is the friend I wrote to you about...CRAZY, certified with paperwork and everything...Crazy, but lovable (maybe)...Even if police arrrest him, he goes to a psych ward for 72 hours, will never set foot in a jail. And he is cheap, works for 4.20 an hour...but I should be responcible for his transportation to the hearing. And would be best if we met a lil bit before the hearing, so he can distinquish whose who first...in the event shit goes south.
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Maybe we could all wear priest costumes........it'll be close to Halloween, y'know. Ann could wear a Dorothy Hamill wig, in homage to the lovely Ruth Ann..........
Hopefully, I'll be able to make it down there for this.........I wanna see those shitbags squirm. Plus, I welcome the chance to openly mock and ridicule Virgil, Ruthie, and any of his zombies that attend.
Hey Virgil, that trespassing warrant only applies to your church and home, you can't keep me away from a public hearing. Look for me there---I'll be the one shooting half a peace sign at you.
All kidding aside, it's not only great fun to see Virgil and Ruthie get frustrated, but it also lets everyone know that Virgil is a child-abusing criminal, and that his victims have not forgotten his crimes against them.
By the way, maybe someone should call Virgil @ 727-392-3437 (call several times, preferably late at night) and let him know we'll be seeing him.............
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Maybe we could all wear priest costumes........it'll be close to Halloween, y'know. Ann could wear a Dorothy Hamill wig, in homage to the lovely Ruth Ann..........
Hopefully, I'll be able to make it down there for this.........I wanna see those shitbags squirm. Plus, I welcome the chance to openly mock and ridicule Virgil, Ruthie, and any of his zombies that attend.
Hey Virgil, that trespassing warrant only applies to your church and home, you can't keep me away from a public hearing. Look for me there---I'll be the one shooting half a peace sign at you.
All kidding aside, it's not only great fun to see Virgil and Ruthie get frustrated, but it also lets everyone know that Virgil is a child-abusing criminal, and that his victims have not forgotten his crimes against them.
By the way, maybe someone should call Virgil @ 727-392-3437 (call several times, preferably late at night) and let him know we'll be seeing him.............
Oh god.. if you do that.. fuck the pictures... get footage for youtube.
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I'm up for dinner/drinks before and/or after. I'm also up for the costumes!!!! That would be GREAT!!!!
Anyone who wants to meet up, email me..... [email protected]
Assembly Room, City Hall, 300 Municipal Drive, Madeira Beach, Florida
http://http://www.madeirabeachfl.gov/Pages/MadeiraBeachFL_SMAgendas/09-10-26%20SM-VAR%20agd%202.pdf
7:00 P.M. MONDAY - OCTOBER 26, 2009 ASSEMBLY ROOM
I. MEETING CALLED TO ORDER
II. ROLL CALL
III. NEW BUSINESS
Application 09.04 Special Exception Use
Property Owner: Christ at the Sea Foundation, Inc.
13253 Boca Ciega Avenue
Madeira Beach, FL 33708
Property Address:
Legal Description:
Parcel #:
13280 - 4th Street East, Madeira Beach, FL 33708
Page’s Replat of Mitchell’s Beach Block J, Lots 12 and 13
15/31/15/65304/010/0120
Request: To modify Section 17 of the Special Exception Use Application No. 04.50
granted February 7, 2005, modified June 3, 2005 and again modified on
November 20, 2008.
Specifically, the applicant is seeking to change the outward appearance to
permit the installation of a 51 inch x 45 inch decorative cupola with a 1 inch
by 2 inch by 38 inch ornamental cross on the roof. The placement would be
3.5 feet to 4 feet from the rear (west end) of the private chapel.
Notification: 47 property owners were notified.
Anyone know anything new about the bankruptcy fraud charges???
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I don't know much about this topic, but if it means I can get a good look at your lovely, round, luscious booty, or maybe get a nice handful of it, I'd go for sure. Why don't you post that pic for us again, love?
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I don't know much about this topic, but if it means I can get a good look at your lovely, round, luscious booty, or maybe get a nice handful of it, I'd go for sure. Why don't you post that pic for us again, love?
Aww, thanks! It's floating around here somewhere.
I'd love to dress up as Ruthie, have the thong on under the costume and then moon/flash 'em on the way out. Don't want to do it before and get removed. Somebody help bail me out if I get arrested??? LOL!!
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Well, the link is there, but the pic isn't (on fornits). I had to copy the link and paste it in my browser. But the pic is still there. Damn. Perfect ass, slightly upturned, thong revealing smooth cheeks, but hiding the honeypot (barely). This is spank-tacular.
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Log in and it's' there. ;-)
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Now I have to log in just to gratify myself to your picture? You gotta do what you gotta do I guess. Any frontals available?
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Is it possible to watch the Madeira Beach cable channel over the net? I would like to see this meeting but I'm out of state. I just googled this link:
http://www.channelchooser.com/tv/watch/ ... each/4812/ (http://www.channelchooser.com/tv/watch/local/madeira-beach/4812/)
According to the earlier link in this thread by Anne Bonney,: http://www.madeirabeachfl.gov/Pages/Mad ... gd%202.pdf (http://www.madeirabeachfl.gov/Pages/MadeiraBeachFL_SMAgendas/09-10-26%20SM-VAR%20agd%202.pdf) - I went in there and they said it would be broadcast live...
hmmmm, sounds like a plan....... :shamrock:
Ken
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Is it possible to watch the Madeira Beach cable channel over the net? I would like to see this meeting but I'm out of state. I just googled this link:
http://www.channelchooser.com/tv/watch/ ... each/4812/ (http://www.channelchooser.com/tv/watch/local/madeira-beach/4812/)
According to the earlier link in this thread by Anne Bonney,: http://www.madeirabeachfl.gov/Pages/Mad ... gd%202.pdf (http://www.madeirabeachfl.gov/Pages/MadeiraBeachFL_SMAgendas/09-10-26%20SM-VAR%20agd%202.pdf) - I went in there and they said it would be broadcast live...
hmmmm, sounds like a plan....... :shamrock:
Ken
Great idea!
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Is it possible to watch the Madeira Beach cable channel over the net? I would like to see this meeting but I'm out of state. I just googled this link:
http://www.channelchooser.com/tv/watch/ ... each/4812/ (http://www.channelchooser.com/tv/watch/local/madeira-beach/4812/)
According to the earlier link in this thread by Anne Bonney,: http://www.madeirabeachfl.gov/Pages/Mad ... gd%202.pdf (http://www.madeirabeachfl.gov/Pages/MadeiraBeachFL_SMAgendas/09-10-26%20SM-VAR%20agd%202.pdf) - I went in there and they said it would be broadcast live...
hmmmm, sounds like a plan....... :shamrock:
Ken
Great idea!
Just think, LOL, we can hook up that pecker LIVE...coast to coast! :cheers:
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This is gonnna be good.
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Is it possible to watch the Madeira Beach cable channel over the net? I would like to see this meeting but I'm out of state. I just googled this link:
http://www.channelchooser.com/tv/watch/ ... each/4812/ (http://www.channelchooser.com/tv/watch/local/madeira-beach/4812/)
According to the earlier link in this thread by Anne Bonney,: http://www.madeirabeachfl.gov/Pages/Mad ... gd%202.pdf (http://www.madeirabeachfl.gov/Pages/MadeiraBeachFL_SMAgendas/09-10-26%20SM-VAR%20agd%202.pdf) - I went in there and they said it would be broadcast live...
hmmmm, sounds like a plan....... :shamrock:
Ken
I think it's only broadcast on the local government channels here, but if someone else can figure out how to get it online....GREAT!!
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I watched on-line. Thanks to all who spoke out against Newton and his fucked up attempt at legitimizing his "church" (read: cult indoctrination center).
Excellent points made by AB, W-a-D, Kpickle (by email), RB, and a number of others. If nothing else is accomplished, at least it reminds Newton that his victims have not forgotten his crimes.
And a very large "EAT SHIT AND DIE" to Newton and all his asswipe supporters........
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links?
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I watched on-line. Thanks to all who spoke out against Newton and his fucked up attempt at legitimizing his "church" (read: cult indoctrination center).
Excellent points made by AB, W-a-D, Kpickle (by email), RB, and a number of others. If nothing else is accomplished, at least it reminds Newton that his victims have not forgotten his crimes.
And a very large "EAT SHIT AND DIE" to Newton and all his asswipe supporters........
Good time had by all!
Except maybe Miller. I remember in school discussing the most read colors, which are Black, White and Red.That being said, Miller was all dressed up in his Black "priest" outfit, with his White Collar and his face went from a pasty White, to a crimson Red. His face was so Red, and varied in so many differnt shades of Red...I seriously thought he would: 1) Have a heart atttack 2) Have a massive Stroke.
Apparently he saw Anne who gave him a whimsical if not miniacal grin, to which Miller responded like an octopus and varied his shade of Red to Crimson, to that of almost a overly ripe plum.He was still that odd shade of plum when I walked into the hearing room with my metal case with all my camera equipment. He was physical shaken as I removed my camera and trained it on his face. He eventually stood up and walked out, presumably for water or fresh air. However, it was clear he felt trumped and simply excussed himself to regain his composure. Which he may have done, yet he returned with the same shade of Red as he walked out with. I could tell, from his inquisitive glare, that he could not place who I was. Certainly he recognised AB and RB and he was clearly distraught over those two. Yet when I sat with them, AB & RB, one could see the moment when he realized I was not a member of his community, I was not a reporter, I was not there for the hearing held after his. He realized I was there "representing". I could see the face that was clearly looking for a friendly face to support and or document his efforts. The look of disappointment on his face as I sat between AB & RB was to me....priceless.
One thing that struck me and stood out the most was his eyes. They were cold, if not flat out evil. Afterwards, AB and I discusssed out favorite TV programs, on the ID Discovery channel, Investigation shows, that kinda thing and I recalled a show that HBO put out on a Hit Man, whom they dubbed the Ice Man. Even in that program the "Ice Man" would ocasionally have a glint in his eyes, even showed a bit of humor as he was interviewed. Miller did not even have this capasity. Not one glint, one sparkle, just ocasionally looking about like a caged rat, not a helpless lil church mouse (no pun intended). It was as if death had already come to his darkened soul.
Also what struck me was the priest attire. Yes, I knew he claimed to be a priest, infact, I have seen photos of him in the priest get up. But I was unprepaired for the lack of "priestly-ness" about him. I tried my best to be as objective as I could, tried removing him from memory and just observe him as a man. Something was lacking, emotionally I sensed something was askew.As I explained to AB, if around a fireman, one feels a certain way. If one is close to a judge, they feel a certain way, if around a policeman, still yet another way. If one is in the presence of a Holy Person, one can sense the sincerity, the faith or something. Point being, there is an emotion, or visceral reaction around certain people in uniforms, or clothing that carries significant authority. I did not sense that at all from him. He might has well bought the priest attire at the Good Will or some second hand shop. For there was no priestly, holy feeling about him and of course the cold, dead eyes didnt match with any other "Holy" person I have ever sat with.
Immediately following the hearing, MIller scampered off to the parking lot, with AB&RB in hot pursuit. (AB can speak on that mater if she chooses) Because I was putting away my gear I didnt see which way anyone went. And so I went to where we were parked and met up with several of his neighbors, who were also discussing the hearing. They welcomed me and gave the obligatory "Ya did a good job" etc. His neighbors are not at all unfamiliar with Millers involvement with Straight Inc. Infact encouraged us to demonstrate at the park seperating his house from the so called church. One woman, a lil spitfire of a woman essentually gave an open invitation to protest on the land of the park and annoy by sea (Sitting directly off his dock in the international coastal waterway).
I made mention that we, as Survivors simple ask for validation, and flippantly I suggested the park be named Survivors Park, to which they kinda balked...but when mentioning a Rock, or a Plaque recognising the suffering of thousands at the hands of one man, MIller Newton. This suggestion brought about a silence in the small crowd, as if indicating it was a possibility, but nothing more was said. However, it is something we could think and discuss, and possibly respectfully, formally request a small monument to be set in stone on that city property. Since MIllers Three Story water front home and the alleged church have this park in between the two, It looks like a natural walking path for Miller to access his "church". This monument would be a constant reminder of those who he has affected in the past. And it would serve as an honor to those who did not survive.
Of course this would be an up hill battle, fighting city hall and all. As has been said, it is not enough to fight against something, there must be something to fight for.
The city of Maderia Beach, is in turmoil over Millers deceptions, blatant disregard for the laws of Maderia Beach.
One note of interest, what was once a retreat, a place where members of the church of Antioch(sp) could retreat to and gather thier thoughts and sit in sanctity with thier god....is no more. The retreat, is filled with paying tennents, which boils down to, Miller is making $$$ of Beach Rental Property. Because he has formed a church, it is tax excempt. One of the nighbors, "the fiesty one", informed me that Miller is prompt on reporting the "foundations" finacial standings. When I asked her how much he was making, she repeated that the report was on the "foundation". I asked her that even if the "foundation" claims its income, that it's executive directors and other executive members of the "foundations" would be paid as well, and is, or should be included in the Finacials of the "foundation"...she looked at me, and said, "Your right, I will have to look into that."
In short, there is a hornets nest brewing on Maderia Beach, and Miller Newton is in the middle of it. And from the looks of it, Miller has no shame, no remorse and as said last night, he will circumvent the law, ignore the law, twist the law to suit his own agenda.
More later, there is much to process tween my own ears, my own emotions, my thoughts and what level of involvement I can best serve. This much I know, it wont be my last involvement. The HD videos will be posted on Youtube ASAP, my apologies for the herky jerkness at times, I am not a professional videographer, but well enough to convey the event.
Much Healing
Much Peace
woof
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It really was pretty great. Newt tried all his usual tactics...lying, misrepresentation, bullying etc. No one was buying it. I followed them and their entourage out to their cars, calmly and rationally asking pointed questions all the way....
........ "When you're laying awake at night, do you hear the screams of Kim Wassmer as you're dragging across the building by her hair?" "How does it feel to know you destroyed so many lives?" "Do you remember Sara Mannira (Toth) being locked in a Time Out room for weeks on end being beaten and starved? Do you have any clue what that did to her? Do you care?" "Ruthie...remember Lori McMaster and how you'd emotionally torture that poor girl until she chewed her fingers down to the quick, bleeding constantly?" "Do you remember Bob Schools arms?" "Do you remember Linda Alexanderwicz who never did any drugs and how you mercilessly wore her down until your broke that poor child?" "Do you think about Kristen Stottlemeyer when you're lying awake?" "Do you think about Steve Matthews?" (Don't know if Steve was ever under Newt, but wanted his name to get in there) "Do you ever wonder how many suicides there are by now?"
At one point he turned towards me and said "if you don't leave me alone I'm gonna call the deputy over". I said " Oh christ!!!! How pathetic you are...Still thinking you're in control of ANYthing at all....Go ahead...what are you gonna tell him? That I was speaking to you??? I'm allowed to say whatever the fuck I want. Look Virgil..we're not in straight anymore....you don't get to call the shots. You don't get to tell me when I can or cannot speak,....you're not in control and that pisses you off to no end. You're a child abuser. I know it, you know it and He (pointing skyward) knows it" I said that last part over and over as they were getting in their cars and leaving.
At a meeting at this "church" last week, apparently (I'd LOVE to know who the spy was at that meeting!!!) Newt said that there would be 'acts of civil disobedience' if he was again ordered not to erect it. He said "Let the city try and come tear it down". Same arrogant prick he's always been. Nobody's gonna tell him no.
And since I KNOW he's gonna be reading here today......Dude.....your face was redder than my dad's car. Repent or you're gonna stroke out soon. Your blood pressure must have been sky-high. We got to you last night and you know it. I think we may have reached one or two of your vacant eyed followers too. They gave some startled looks when I told them that I PERSONALLY was a victim of and witness to your brutality. I PERSONALLY watched you physically harm so many children. That little seed of doubt that I planted in them will continue to grow because you'll continue to be your narcissistic self and they'll start to realize that the emperor has no clothes.
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Thank you Kim and "Woof-a-Doof", along with Richard for going and letting me be heard without even being there. I live out of state from you guys. Though I didn't (thank God) know that demon inspired thing aka Newton, I am glad you guys were there to help continually expose that bastard.
You're right Kim, from what I could see on the live streaming, Newt looked horrible. Those followers of his looked pretty zombie-like. God only knows what he is doing to them.
Ken
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...I seriously thought he would: 1) Have a heart atttack 2) Have a massive Stroke.
It's really too damn bad that he didn't. It would be awesome to kick him a few times while he's on the floor, convulsing in pain, clutching his chest, and losing control of his bowels. "Ruth Ann, call an ambul----ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!"
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There is nothing wrong with Miller Newton....... All the man needs is a little love and admiration. I myself would love to be there dressed in a Gorilla Suit as I lay a big ole monkey paw of support on that dear, dear old man's shoulder and gently ease him back into the soothing salt water and Baptise him until there are no more bubbles of redemption coming forth from him. After that, we can take Miller and do a re-make of "Weekend at Bernies" by propping him up on a custom rig, water skiing him all along the Gulf Shore waterfront and selling advertising banner space. :flip: :flip:
On second thought, there is nothing really funny about Miller Newton. I used to not get too worked up over him because he really was not a part of my program.
I graduated (stepped) in late August of '79, just in time to finish my last year of High School free from the clutches of Straight, and back then Straight was the old Morgan Yacht Building on 72 street the other side of the tracks from Tyrone Mall. There was no NEW BUILDING and all there was to be seen was a decrepit old Gas Station that parents claimed was gonna be part of the new building. Next to that was cleared out scrubland that would be the new Straight Building and up the frontage road almost to the curve was a really shitty trailer park. This was a good 15 years before Gateway Industrial Park was even started on. The paved road ended at the trailer park and then became a wide road of crushed shells, sand and dirt that led to the Toytown Landfill.
I just remember Miller Newton as a parent standing up in open meeting. He always had this pissed off look on his face like he needed to take a shit real bad, but the toilets were all out of order. I was too young and naive at the time to recognize the look for what it really was, the look of an extreme pscychotic that stops at nothing to obtain their goals. That man saw an opportunity and went with it. It remains to be seen whether Newton wrangled his way into the leadership of Straight, or whether he was recruited, but I do remember a HUGE falling out once he gained power. I was a graduate by then from the program as well as High School along with several friends, and yeah it did fuck us up. We were promised a place to come and meet and stay in touch, and now we had this terminal power freak fucking up everything we had deserved. Within the time the group moved from Morgan Yacht to the Gandy facility, me and my friends I graduated with knew NOT ONE single person below 5th phase, I mean why the hell would we? Straight was over for us, and it had absolutely nothing to do with drugs. I had friends that "screwed up" but I was'nt gonna go all to pieces over it. We all in our hearts hated Straight for what it did to us, but what the fuck were we supposed to do? How much can one fperson do on $3.15 a fuckin hour? I was considered a king back then, because I had a job making $4.85 an hour that actually would pay over-time. Miller got away with his shit because their were enough people willing to let him. There were enough parents willing to pay someone to modify their childrens behavior for them. It was there, it was convienient, effective, and accepted. Just like dropping shit off at the dry cleaners, only some of us came back more fucked up than when we went in. I saw what's left of Miller Newton on several occasions, and I know in my heart that that fucker is about 45% dead already. That man gets no joy out of life, and I personally believe that God is keeping him alive for the sole reason that it is merely prolonging his agony. Smoke one for me...
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I forgot....he's given himself yet another promotion. He referred to himself as a "retired neuro-psychiatrist"!!!! I couldn't believe it. How crazy do you have to be to be able to delude yourself like that???
Link to where the hearing will be posted. It's not up yet, but will be fairly soon. http://http://tinyurl.com/ygonaag Click on the October box and look for when the date of the 26th appears.
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The City doers not post those type's of hearings to their web site, so we requested a copy and Thursday night you will be able to watch it on www.orangetoiletnews.com (http://www.orangetoiletnews.com), thank you Mr. Smith
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Considerin Miller has been "evaluating" at least one client who was drugged up and sent to KHK just a few years back, it makes sense to me to see if anyone down there could "stick their ears through the fence" or something... where are the kids going now that PFC/KHK is closed. Are they all being shipped to AARC? Why's the DFAF so hard to contact now? IF Miller is expanding or trying to or whatever, then where are these kids going? Do any of you local survivor folks know? What's up? Smith? Bonney? Woof?
RG
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Considerin Miller has been "evaluating" at least one client who was drugged up and sent to KHK just a few years back, it makes sense to me to see if anyone down there could "stick their ears through the fence" or something... where are the kids going now that PFC/KHK is closed. Are they all being shipped to AARC? Why's the DFAF so hard to contact now? IF Miller is expanding or trying to or whatever, then where are these kids going? Do any of you local survivor folks know? What's up? Smith? Bonney? Woof?
RG
Mums the word RG, everything is tight lipped as to be expected. One hope of finding out is thru the neighbors. AB got the phone number to one particularly fiesty woman, who is not in favor of Miller. She reports that there are famillies renting space at the "retreat". In short, I dont know the answer. However that doesnt mean answers cant be found.
Much Healing
Much Peace
woof
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While waiting for Mr.Smith to get a full copy of the hearing, I have posted some of my video on youtube. They are HD videos, which take time to convert to a file acceptable to youtube. As a result, only a few have gone thru thus far...more to come. The ones up now are:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI4LfUtn668 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI4LfUtn668)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJpe0wL_K18 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJpe0wL_K18)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAhzWqMHQZ0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAhzWqMHQZ0)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjY6eDS9pqw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjY6eDS9pqw)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRue1cK81Ik (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRue1cK81Ik)
More are being uploaded this morning!
Forgive my poor videographic skills and labeling the sequence of events in chronological order, am doing best I can with limited knowledge, as the camera, the application and youtube are somewhat new to me. The history of events between Miller and Maderia Beach are long and cumbersome, yet vital to understanding how Miller still has the inate ability to circumvent the laws to suit his agenda.
If anyone is profiecient with youtube and can transfer the videos here or show me how to do so, I will be glad to...it will make commentary on the proceedings much more fluid I think.
The comments on Acts of Civil Disobediance sent shivers up my spine. My first thoughts were David Koresh/Waco Texas. I didnt havethe heart to say this to the innocent neighbors and possibly placing undo fear upon them. We, as Survivors clearly have the support of the immediately surrounding neighbors. They clearly stated, we, as Survivors are welcomed, and encouraged to attend all meetings. As far as Civil Disobediance is concerned they are not oppossed to pressure we put on Miller, from land (the park tween his 3 story house and the alleged church) and from the water. Millers house sits on the ICW (International Coastal Water way). But as a courtesy to his neighbors, who support us, I think a phone call prior to any action is in order, for the sake of the neighbors who are well intentioned people caught in a quagmire.
We are intellegant group of people that can be a major thorn in his side and possibly thwart any future plans. Lets put our minds together as one. I dont think it would take much for Miller to loose his religion...no pun intended. And if his followers are presented the facts by scores of his abused, he very well may not have a following. Without a following Miller looses his power, as Samson in the bible lost his strength when his hair was cut.
We Survived Miller's siege on our lives....many others did not. There are young families, with children under his control as I type these words. Despite our differences and our petty grievances, lets set them aside and act as one mind, one body and with a singleness of purpose. Bring down Miller Newton! Not only for our sense of satisfaction, but for the young couples and children that reside in his clutches. We owe this to them and we owe this to ourselves. Survivors in the Legal Community, I know your out there, what are or limits of can and cannot do's.
A floatilla along the seawall of his residence is in discussion, bring your boats, kayaks, canoes. If ya havent any floating device, there are many marinas that will rent boats of all sizes for the day, or weekend. Survivors of all varieties are welcomed, cop outs, graduates, pulls, ex-staff and concerned parents are also welcomed. The impression we make on Miller is one thing, a huge impact. The impression on his neighbors....priceless!
Stay tuned....and dont touch that dial!
Much Healing
Much Peace
woof
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While waiting for Mr.Smith to get a full copy of the hearing, I have posted some of my video on youtube. They are HD videos, which take time to convert to a file acceptable to youtube. As a result, only a few have gone thru thus far...more to come. The ones up now are:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI4LfUtn668 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI4LfUtn668)
In this one he identifies himself as a "retired neuro-psychiatrist" at 1:10 into the clip.
At 2:21 into it, the letter from a Dr. Tara Stewart (?) is read into the record. It was fantastic!!!!!
And at 7:02 is Mr. Sherman's (certified city planner) presentation via email, I think.
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While waiting for Mr.Smith to get a full copy of the hearing, I have posted some of my video on youtube. They are HD videos, which take time to convert to a file acceptable to youtube. As a result, only a few have gone thru thus far...more to come. The ones up now are:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI4LfUtn668 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI4LfUtn668)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJpe0wL_K18 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJpe0wL_K18)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAhzWqMHQZ0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAhzWqMHQZ0)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjY6eDS9pqw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjY6eDS9pqw)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRue1cK81Ik (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRue1cK81Ik)
More are being uploaded this morning!
Forgive my poor videographic skills and labeling the sequence of events in chronological order, am doing best I can with limited knowledge, as the camera, the application and youtube are somewhat new to me.
I'd suggest updating the "tags" to include "Straight, Inc.", "Miller Newton", "Fr. Cassian", and "Child Abuser", so as to make the vids more easily show up from a search engine. "Just" my .02.............
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I sent someone to pick up a copy this morning at 8 am of the hearing from 10-26-2009.
Its a large file, we are in the process of working with it to get the enitre hearing online at www.orangetoiletnews.com (http://www.orangetoiletnews.com).
I am sorry I did not get to visit with the Straight victims who came and spoke as I have a very bad cold right now as I think something is going around.
I have watched the video and the part about "Acts of Civil Disobediance" Jim Jones immediately came to mind. Everytime I research this subject I think Mr. Newton is another Jim Jones.
I watched as Mr. Newton's victims each spoke out and that took a great deal of courage on their part and I admire everyone of them.
Give us through this evening and I think we should have it up and running, thank you Brill
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While waiting for Mr.Smith to get a full copy of the hearing, I have posted some of my video on youtube. They are HD videos, which take time to convert to a file acceptable to youtube. As a result, only a few have gone thru thus far...more to come. The ones up now are:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI4LfUtn668 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI4LfUtn668)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJpe0wL_K18 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJpe0wL_K18)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAhzWqMHQZ0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAhzWqMHQZ0)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjY6eDS9pqw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjY6eDS9pqw)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRue1cK81Ik (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRue1cK81Ik)
More are being uploaded this morning!
Forgive my poor videographic skills and labeling the sequence of events in chronological order, am doing best I can with limited knowledge, as the camera, the application and youtube are somewhat new to me. The history of events between Miller and Maderia Beach are long and cumbersome, yet vital to understanding how Miller still has the inate ability to circumvent the laws to suit his agenda.
If anyone is profiecient with youtube and can transfer the videos here or show me how to do so, I will be glad to...it will make commentary on the proceedings much more fluid I think.
The comments on Acts of Civil Disobediance sent shivers up my spine. My first thoughts were David Koresh/Waco Texas. I didnt havethe heart to say this to the innocent neighbors and possibly placing undo fear upon them. We, as Survivors clearly have the support of the immediately surrounding neighbors. They clearly stated, we, as Survivors are welcomed, and encouraged to attend all meetings. As far as Civil Disobediance is concerned they are not oppossed to pressure we put on Miller, from land (the park tween his 3 story house and the alleged church) and from the water. Millers house sits on the ICW (International Coastal Water way). But as a courtesy to his neighbors, who support us, I think a phone call prior to any action is in order, for the sake of the neighbors who are well intentioned people caught in a quagmire.
We are intellegant group of people that can be a major thorn in his side and possibly thwart any future plans. Lets put our minds together as one. I dont think it would take much for Miller to loose his religion...no pun intended. And if his followers are presented the facts by scores of his abused, he very well may not have a following. Without a following Miller looses his power, as Samson in the bible lost his strength when his hair was cut.
We Survived Miller's siege on our lives....many others did not. There are young families, with children under his control as I type these words. Despite our differences and our petty grievances, lets set them aside and act as one mind, one body and with a singleness of purpose. Bring down Miller Newton! Not only for our sense of satisfaction, but for the young couples and children that reside in his clutches. We owe this to them and we owe this to ourselves. Survivors in the Legal Community, I know your out there, what are or limits of can and cannot do's.
A floatilla along the seawall of his residence is in discussion, bring your boats, kayaks, canoes. If ya havent any floating device, there are many marinas that will rent boats of all sizes for the day, or weekend. Survivors of all varieties are welcomed, cop outs, graduates, pulls, ex-staff and concerned parents are also welcomed. The impression we make on Miller is one thing, a huge impact. The impression on his neighbors....priceless!
Stay tuned....and dont touch that dial!
Much Healing
Much Peace
woof
Woof - great vids. You should be in hollywood! Thanks so much for your efforts in helping to stop the cycle of abuse.
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I have watched the video and the part about "Acts of Civil Disobediance" Jim Jones immediately came to mind. Everytime I research this subject I think Mr. Newton is another Jim Jones.
And this bothers you why? I think that a mass suicide of Newton and his followers would be the least he could do, and a cause for celebration.
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Thank you Kim and "Woof-a-Doof", along with Richard for going and letting me be heard without even being there. I live out of state from you guys. Though I didn't (thank God) know that demon inspired thing aka Newton, I am glad you guys were there to help continually expose that bastard.
You're right Kim, from what I could see on the live streaming, Newt looked horrible. Those followers of his looked pretty zombie-like. God only knows what he is doing to them.
Ken
I'm curious about his followers. Is he actively recruiting new people? And 'into' what? His church? Or are they 7-steppers from the program? Were there any shots of them, does it look like he tries to control their attire or anything like that? And what about kids? It scares me to think about children being around Newton, because we all know what he is capable of...
I have watched the video and the part about "Acts of Civil Disobediance" Jim Jones immediately came to mind. Everytime I research this subject I think Mr. Newton is another Jim Jones.
And this bothers you why? I think that a mass suicide of Newton and his followers would be the least he could do, and a cause for celebration.
A Newton suicide maybe, but not a mass suicide of followers. I was one of them for a while, and I'm glad that I was able to gain control (well, sort of lol) over my own life and mind especially. I just hope that the followers of today will be able to reach out into the world again and live, rather than blindly follow.
Thanks for showing up and speaking out. I don't think that I could have done that. Also, thanks for posting the videos :)
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Well... I wish to voice my great appreciation for the cinematographer who honed in on the purple foci of the overall crimson countenance of the subject in question. Priceless. :twofinger:
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Well... I wish to voice my great appreciation for the cinematographer who honed in on the purple foci of the overall crimson countenance of the subject in question. Priceless. :twofinger:
A pleasure good Ursus! Good lord, such big words for me to follow this early in the morning, where is my Websters link? At any rate, I guesing your making reference to his coloration of his skin. And yes he looked as if he would have a brain hemorage right on the spot. As intruquuing as that was, what grabbed my atention was the "collar", which to me denotes a priest. Yeah, I knew prior to walking into the situation that he claimed to be a priest. But I was captivated by the "collar", it didnt fit with my memories of him at all...matter of fact it didnt seem to fit HIM at all. It was like a Twigh light Zone episode, so very surreal.
Although not a Christian, I respect the Christian faith and for what it stands for. If walking thru a hospital and I see a member of the clergy, and I see the collar, I have a degree of respect and reverance for them. I look into thier eyes and admire the tranquility about them, I think of the congergate member whom he just visited and all others of his congregation and think of the things he does for them....I did not get that feeling from him at all. It seemed as if Miller was not in a public hall, the city hall which doubles up as the police station. Miller would have unleashed. He was furious! Yeah, he modulated his voice in a professional manner and by all other outside appearances seemed calm. But the discoloration of his face spoke volumes of what was churning inside. And his eyes where cold as death itself.
It was as if several agendas were taking place before us. We had the "coupla" issue, the city's heat/pressure, clearly the magistrate (The cities lawyer) was less than amused, Miller looked infuriated, and the three of us there certainly had our own emotions and agenda. There was also a 2nd hearing to take place after MIllers, there is no telling what these people were thnking, hell, the were there for a code violation. But they watched stunned as everything unfolded.
I would do it again in a heart beat!
Much Healing
Much Peace
woof
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A few more video's of Millers hearing:
http://www.youtube.com/woofadoof#p/u/7/65Z3-ZVvCLk (http://www.youtube.com/woofadoof#p/u/7/65Z3-ZVvCLk)
http://www.youtube.com/woofadoof#p/u/6/NGdO5dDJMcc (http://www.youtube.com/woofadoof#p/u/6/NGdO5dDJMcc)
http://www.youtube.com/woofadoof#p/u/5/UsYzUe8nPsU (http://www.youtube.com/woofadoof#p/u/5/UsYzUe8nPsU)
http://www.youtube.com/woofadoof#p/u/4/3BN0VOmN834 (http://www.youtube.com/woofadoof#p/u/4/3BN0VOmN834)
http://www.youtube.com/woofadoof#p/u/3/GqykFnGJ3hw (http://www.youtube.com/woofadoof#p/u/3/GqykFnGJ3hw)
http://www.youtube.com/woofadoof#p/u/2/oXs4bT-6blk (http://www.youtube.com/woofadoof#p/u/2/oXs4bT-6blk)
http://www.youtube.com/woofadoof#p/u/1/lKfqmB1xzyA (http://www.youtube.com/woofadoof#p/u/1/lKfqmB1xzyA)
http://www.youtube.com/woofadoof#p/u/0/gbfjQCVPecA (http://www.youtube.com/woofadoof#p/u/0/gbfjQCVPecA)
More to be uploaded this morning
woof
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I have watched the video and the part about "Acts of Civil Disobediance" Jim Jones immediately came to mind. Everytime I research this subject I think Mr. Newton is another Jim Jones.
And this bothers you why? I think that a mass suicide of Newton and his followers would be the least he could do, and a cause for celebration.
A Newton suicide maybe, but not a mass suicide of followers. I was one of them for a while, and I'm glad that I was able to gain control (well, sort of lol) over my own life and mind especially. I just hope that the followers of today will be able to reach out into the world again and live, rather than blindly follow.
Wouldn't bother me in the slightest if all his followers took themselves out, too. Particularly now, when so much evidence of Newton's crimes is available for all to see...........his followers have to know what kind of monster he is, yet they continue to look to him for leadership and guidance. A bunch of idiots the world would be better off without, if you ask me.
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O! Man! You kids are too much... :rofl: !
I only watched the first one so far...opening remarks...
In a way it's hard to believe a guy like this could manage to pull off the whole $tr8 scam, lookin at him here, he aint sittin up too $tr8 or maintaining eye contact with the person talking and he is fidgeting all over the place like he's avoiding himself or something... :roflmao: .
When I was in we had Suzanne Byrd and Mel Riddle, in Springfield.
Anyway, fun-nny...the whole thing, the exact dimensions of the cross 'n' all...
I only have the dial up though, so it took about 31/2 hours to load the first 10 mins.
Which link has the part with the $tr8 survivor testimonies, if you please ??
:roflmao: :rofl: :tup:
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. But the discoloration of his face spoke volumes of what was churning inside. And his eyes where cold as death itself.
I guess we can take some joy in "what's churning inside" Newton........but the facts are, he is living in a large waterfront home, has a steady gig at his latest brainwashing facility, I mean, "church", and has more followers willing to attend boring civic meetings on his behalf than the number of survivors of his abuse that opposed him. I guess that's what bothers me the most, that this child-abusing con man in a priest costume is doing better than most of his victims, materially, anyway.
Until some survivor of his abuse kidnaps and tortures him to death, and does the same to his syphilitic consort, Ruth Ann, I don't think we can say that he has paid for his crimes. If anything, he continues to profit from and enjoy the fruits of his crimes. A damn shame. We can congratulate the participants in the hearing, and each other until we are blue in the face, but that is not going to make a damn bit of difference. Chances are, Miller Newton lives in a nicer house than you do, and has more money at his disposal. He was able to rally more supporters to come out to the hearing, and although we may be annoying to him, no real justice has been served---even in the Corter case, Miller didn't lose a goddamn dime. It was paid by his insurance company. Compared to most of his victims, Miller Newton is living pretty large. And that is the real injustice that needs to be addressed.
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Compared to most of his victims, Miller Newton is living pretty large. And that is the real injustice that needs to be addressed.[/quote]
The "living" part, anyway.......
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O! man...too funny... :roflmao:
Thru the first 3 but still waitin to hear Father Cassian s statement.
Thanks Woof, this is fantastic stuff.
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I would rather have spoken extensively about his abuses of kids but they were cutting people off that didn't stay on the topic (and I was extremely nervous) of the hearing so I did my best to stick to that, trying to get shots in where I could. I did look right at him when I addressed the board and did the (clearing my throat loudly and rolling my eyes)....'Dr.' Newton, when referring to him. The best though was afterwards, out in the parking lot when I was able to speak my peace (piece? I never know which is right....lol). Rich said he thought he got it on video. Hopefully he'll put it up soon.
I hear ya that it's frustrating that he lives the life he does, but take at least a little comfort in knowing that he knows he's hated in the neighborhood and he HATES that people "throw his past up in his face". Understand that this is a psychopathic personality....a malignant narcissist (seriously, look up the clinical definition and tell me if it doesn't EXACTLY describe that man) who cannot STAND being challenged in any way. How dare anyone?! Don't they know who he is?!?! The fact that I/we now CAN go up to him and say whatever the fuck we please and there ain't a goddamned thing he can do about it pisses him off!!!!! He's humiliated and humbled in front of everyone each time he does anything like this. Years back, shortly before I found Fornits he tried to open a "practice" as a psychologist, treating adolescents and survivors made sure the governing board was aware of his past. The board ordered that the only way he could practice was if he did under the supervision of another treating psychologist. He refused and then ran off to become a "priest" in order to get around the regulations. This is a man who needs to feel like he's in charge, he's the expert. His entire identity depends on him being the respected guru and it's thrown in his face that he's nothing but a pathetic old man, still trying to convince himself and anyone who'll listen that he's an important person. Or even a human being.
My point is that he is not a well or happy man. Little consolation, I know.....but it's something. To see him forced to do anything, let alone listen to us is a small yet satisfying victory. To see him have to (as someone else put it) "sit in homes rap" and have to beg for his precious cupola was pretty damned sweet. Oh...and to watch him squirm as that letter from the survivor was read into the record ;D was awesome! That was an incredible letter!!!! I'll continue to show up, because I get something out of it. I yelled and screamed the first few times I "confronted" him, but now I'm more calm about it and just state facts or name names or specific incidents that I know[/b] they remember. That at night, when the lights are out and they're laying there trying to go to sleep I truly believe that the names of those girls and thoughts of those incidents creep into his evil brain. Ruthie to me truly did look stunned for a moment when I locked eyes with her and said "I know it, you know it and He knows it (pointing skyward)". The people around us...some followers, some neighbors....... saw it too and I know things like that plant the seeds of doubt. Those are my small victories. I had nothing for so long...I'll take these.
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I would rather have spoken extensively about his abuses of kids but they were cutting people off that didn't stay on the topic (and I was extremely nervous) of the hearing so I did my best to stick to that, trying to get shots in where I could. I did look right at him when I addressed the board and did the (clearing my throat loudly and rolling my eyes)....'Dr.' Newton, when referring to him. The best though was afterwards, out in the parking lot when I was able to speak my peace (piece? I never know which is right....lol). Rich said he thought he got it on video. Hopefully he'll put it up soon.
Well, yeah, that's understandable, testimony at the hearing has to stay on the topic at hand, which was the cupola, whether it was being raised by Hitler, Stalin, Miller Newton, or Mother Theresa---the matter at hand was zoning regs, not child abuse.
I hear ya that it's frustrating that he lives the life he does, but take at least a little comfort in knowing that he knows he's hated in the neighborhood and he HATES that people "throw his past up in his face". Understand that this is a psychopathic personality....a malignant narcissist (seriously, look up the clinical definition and tell me if it doesn't EXACTLY describe that man) who cannot STAND being challenged in any way. How dare anyone?! Don't they know who he is?!?! The fact that I/we now CAN go up to him and say whatever the fuck we please and there ain't a goddamned thing he can do about it pisses him off!!!!! He's humiliated and humbled in front of everyone each time he does anything like this. Years back, shortly before I found Fornits he tried to open a "practice" as a psychologist, treating adolescents and survivors made sure the governing board was aware of his past. The board ordered that the only way he could practice was if he did under the supervision of another treating psychologist. He refused and then ran off to become a "priest" in order to get around the regulations. This is a man who needs to feel like he's in charge, he's the expert. His entire identity depends on him being the respected guru and it's thrown in his face that he's nothing but a pathetic old man, still trying to convince himself and anyone who'll listen that he's an important person. Or even a human being.
Again, I agree with you, but the fact remains, Miller Newton is living a more comfortable, arguably a "better" life than 99% of his victims.
My point is that he is not a well or happy man. Little consolation, I know.....but it's something. To see him forced to do anything, let alone listen to us is a small yet satisfying victory. To see him have to (as someone else put it) "sit in homes rap" and have to beg for his precious cupola was pretty damned sweet. Oh...and to watch him squirm as that letter from the survivor was read into the record ;D was awesome! That was an incredible letter!!!! I'll continue to show up, because I get something out of it. I yelled and screamed the first few times I "confronted" him, but now I'm more calm about it and just state facts or name names or specific incidents that I know[/b] they remember. That at night, when the lights are out and they're laying there trying to go to sleep I truly believe that the names of those girls and thoughts of those incidents creep into his evil brain. Ruthie to me truly did look stunned for a moment when I locked eyes with her and said "I know it, you know it and He knows it (pointing skyward)". The people around us...some followers, some neighbors....... saw it too and I know things like that plant the seeds of doubt. Those are my small victories. I had nothing for so long...I'll take these.
I certainly hope you are right, but somehow I doubt it. If he could "silence the voices" in his head while the abuse was happening, how hard can it be for him to discount those "voices in his head" (if indeed he has a conscience, which you seem to be presupposing) twenty or thirty years after the fact?? At best, we are a minor nuisance to him, a mere annoyance......assholes like Newton HAVE NO CONSCIENCE. The best we can hope for is that some deranged survivor of his abuse abducts, tortures, and slowly and painfully extracts the ultimate vengeance upon Miller Newton's sorry ass.
Until such vengeance is taken, Miller Newton is winning his war against us.......
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I don't really think Miller Newton is winning anything...I certainly wouldn't want his life. The man is some kind of a desperate, undignified fool.
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. But the discoloration of his face spoke volumes of what was churning inside. And his eyes where cold as death itself.
I guess we can take some joy in "what's churning inside" Newton........but the facts are, he is living in a large waterfront home, has a steady gig at his latest brainwashing facility, I mean, "church", and has more followers willing to attend boring civic meetings on his behalf than the number of survivors of his abuse that opposed him. I guess that's what bothers me the most, that this child-abusing con man in a priest costume is doing better than most of his victims, materially, anyway.
Until some survivor of his abuse kidnaps and tortures him to death, and does the same to his syphilitic consort, Ruth Ann, I don't think we can say that he has paid for his crimes. If anything, he continues to profit from and enjoy the fruits of his crimes. A damn shame. We can congratulate the participants in the hearing, and each other until we are blue in the face, but that is not going to make a damn bit of difference. Chances are, Miller Newton lives in a nicer house than you do, and has more money at his disposal. He was able to rally more supporters to come out to the hearing, and although we may be annoying to him, no real justice has been served---even in the Corter case, Miller didn't lose a goddamn dime. It was paid by his insurance company. Compared to most of his victims, Miller Newton is living pretty large. And that is the real injustice that needs to be addressed.
Yes, you said it well, he has "more money at his disposal", and "Lives in a nicer home", there is no question about that.
And yes, it woud appear more of his supporters/followers attended than did Survivors. (I personally didnt feel out numbered, cant speak for AB or RB...but he (RB) has almost a foot on me, and maybe 25lbs on me....I dont think he felt out numbered either) I think its pretty simple to figure out. Miller and his crew only live a few blocks from the city hall. The Survivors, two of us live in the county inwhich he resides, and one lives in the next county. I can not speculate why more Survivors couldnt book a flight to Tampa, or Clearwater/St.Pete airport, get a hotel, arrainge transportation, meals, take time from work, possible leave family behind to attend the hearing. My guess is however, the logistics of such a venture would have been impossible for a vast majority of us, since we are spread across the country and the globe.
As far as congradulating Survivors in attendance "Till we are blue in the face"....STOP!, why, because you are right. Our purpose was not the "couplua", I still dont know what one is, or even what one looks like, for me, it's irrevelent. However, I have been told I am am annoying, so, why not put it to good use? Sure, we are thorn in his side (can ya feel us sticking). But that is strickly for Millers benifit and to that end, look at his face, its clear to see we annoyed the hell out of him. and at the same time informed those in the hearing of his past. We aslo made valuable connections in the Madria Beach community that either live adjacent to his property, or very close by.
We approached people, without yelling, screaming, hootin and hollering ( have done that before for Mel Sembler). This type of action raises eye brows of the social elite, at least at the gatherings for Mel Sembler. Once the eye brows go up, our credibility goes down. We are viewed as crack pots, lunitics, angry mob of druggies, disenchanted misfits with an axe to grind. As such, it is easy to dismiss such a mob. Not just dismiss us as a group of people, but also dismiss everything we say. It is an approach that has been used with little if any degree of success.
Now, with the introduction of the idea of kidnapping, torture and death (not that I dont understand the sentiment) is not an answer either. Actually it is the issuing of a Terroristic Threat, illegal in most states! Issuing a Terroistic Threat, how eactly is that going to help our cause? It may satisfy a murderious rage of one or more people, yet as a whole, the Survivor community would have a huge blemmish. We are not murderers, kidnappers, or torture mongers. This is not a viable plan of action. Slowly but surely more and more Survivors are coming from the wood work and out of hiding, just beggining to get thier feet on the ground, just starting to connect the dots and come to grips with what took place and are just tasting the sweetness of VALIDATION. Then it is suggested to kidnap, torture and kill. Again, I understand the authors sentiment, I respect the years of anger and rage carried on your shoulders, I know you want nothing less than to be free of this burden, who wouldnt?
Yes, Miller is living large and I agree it is an injustice and it need be addressed. Violence will not resolve this matter. Miller got where he is today after suffering a major defeat by using legal manuvers (sp), circumventing the laws and using powers of persuasion to achieve what he has thus far. Sooooooo, if it works for a fuck like Miller, it could work for us. We have to ask ourselves, are we as tenacious as Miller Newton? Can we think outside the box?
I am not sure of the order of the church his is suppossed to be a priest of, I know "Stillahippie" is a member of the church, not Newtons church, but the Church Miller represents. Why not have him defrocked? Why not have the real CHURCH strip him of his stained collar. If the city can not remove him from his residence, and his 'church/organization', why not approach his higher authority?
You see, there are ideas that have not been explored, much less even looked at. In our Survivor Community we have several LawDawgs, Lawyers. Ok, so Lawyers have said our time is up, whatever they call it , satutue of limitations. But this is no longer about money, for some it may be, for me personally, it is not. Yet, I have never heard anything beyond the Statute of Limitations door being slammed shut....Fine, what else? Defrock the Priest? Approach leaders of his Church, present to them the facts of our lives.They suppossedly ordained him, if they reviewed the facts, with names, places, dates, information found on the internet, youtube, personal testimony. If officials of the church have no problem with his transgressions with children....we have a biger problem than Miller.
You, or some one asked for a derainged Survivor of his abuse, abduct, torture and painfully extracts the ultimate vengence upon Miller Newtons sorry ass. Your asking for a martyar (sp)? You suggest "Some derrainged survivor" to do this, who would that be? Under examination, any of us that had anything to do with Miller Newton, if closely looked at could be considered derrainged, shell shocked, suffering from PTSD, battle fatigue...whatever, that person then spends his/her life in prison and the rest of us are then viewed as a Terrorist orginization. I havent read the full "Patriot Act" but I know it touches every aspect of every American. And I am pretty sure it covers home-grown Terrorists as well. And should anything happen to Miller or Ruthie, who do you think would be first suspects? Every Survivor site would recieve search warrants to hand over IP addresses and dont think they wouldnt scour every written piece of correspondence. Once the ISP hands over the IP address's, feds knocking on the door wouldnt be far behind, confisgating every harddrive, placing everyone as a suspect. And the post suggesting kidnapping, torture and death would be charged with conspiracy to commit murder.
Again, I understand your reasoning, your emotions, your anger, your rage, your wrath, and your wish for vengence/justice. I am afraid however all of these things combined is clouding your judgement. I am not writing to offend your emotions or to dismiss them in any other way except to say, what your purposing puts us all at risk.There is but one Miller Newton and he achieved everything he has thru loop holes in the law. There are thousands of us, most extremly intellegent, We have to put our minds and body together as one and unify. What ever action we take, we must do with in the boundary of the law, we must repect his neighbors if we wish to have thier continued support. Rash statements, threats of bodily harm and the like will destroy any work that has been done up untill now.
As heated as this situation with Miller is, we must keep our cool, we have to maintain a sense of civility. We have to present ourselves with dignity, integrity, honesty and a singleness of purpose. I am not dismissing any of our emotions, I am saying that for the time being, our emotions need to be kept in check, if we ever hope to have an acceptable outcome.
Then again, I tend to fall for the Dark Humor. I mistake it for being exactly what it looks like, and so my passionate plea here. If in fact, this post I am replying to is Dark Humor...Ok ya got me again, Mea Culpa. Yet, if you were sincere, and meant notihng to be humorious in your statment, understand, that we understand. But the Law may see it as for what said. Kidnapping, torture and death.The legal system most probably will not appreciate your humor, especially in the event of harm coming to Miller or Ruthie.
I encourage:
Much Heaing
Much Peace
woof
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I certainly hope you are right, but somehow I doubt it. If he could "silence the voices" in his head while the abuse was happening, how hard can it be for him to discount those "voices in his head" (if indeed he has a conscience, which you seem to be presupposing) twenty or thirty years after the fact?? At best, we are a minor nuisance to him, a mere annoyance......assholes like Newton HAVE NO CONSCIENCE. The best we can hope for is that some deranged survivor of his abuse abducts, tortures, and slowly and painfully extracts the ultimate vengeance upon Miller Newton's sorry ass.
I am not suggesting he has a conscience......not at all. I AM suggesting that he knows that his "status" in the community has been obliterated. I think when he goes home after these things, it's more of an "oh shit" feeling. And anger that he can't control us, can't dictate what we say and to whom and the realization that we will NEVER forget.
Until such vengeance is taken, Miller Newton is winning his war against us.......
He's not winning it against me.
I'm not looking for congratulations from anyone. I went there for my own purpose, not necessarily to 'represent' anyone. It does my soul good to be able to stand face to face to him and not be the scared little kid anymore.
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I have read this thread with interest and was fascinated to see the video of the hearing in Madeira Beach. I feel a need to put my 2 cents in. What Miller Newton and his wife have no ability to handle is the reality that they were absolutely wrong about the inevitably of horrible things happening to people that did not live their lives based on his bizarre and absolute beliefs. Newton convinced himself and then his wife that each of their victims was a drink, a sweet, or an orgasm away from a hell described by him as prison, a mental institution, prostitution, life on the streets etc. There is no room in the Newton world or the world of other absolutists for nuance, greys, good days and bad ones, social drinking, Follow me or die was his message and that instrument of a voice he still has and the confidence he was once able to project made him a seductive lifeline for people looking for simple (cook book or paint by numbers) answers to everything that makes all of our lives both hard and worth living.
The existence of those he abused who have gone on to have lives and become “regular people” with lives and jobs and friends and happiness and sadness and problems that they work through is what he and his wife have no ability to comprehend. Their existence alone is the proof that he is a con man. If it is possible to first be subjected to his” treatment,” reject it and then go on to a productive life then the treatment was not treatment at all. It was something much darker, perverse and evil.
I saw Newton’s red face on the video. It comes from being confronted with the living proof of what he is and the scope of his crimes. When I saw what Anne Bonney and woof a doof and Richard Bradbury looked like on the video and I heard the comments of the city planner who survived straight and was able to explain in professional terms why Newton’s application should be denied I knew they were collectively what Newton and his followers can’t handle. They are the living picture and proof that reduces all of his words to the dribble of an old man who has committed sins to numerous to count and still lives in denial surrounded by a few lost souls.
He should have gone to prison. He did not but he is not living large. The rest of us need food and love and a roof over our heads to make it. He needs followers. There are a few left but even they will eventually drift away. The power of the internet, the survivors, the reams of documents, the legacy of Wes Fager, and the truth will keep shrinking his little world until he leaves it.
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I don't really think Miller Newton is winning anything...I certainly wouldn't want his life. The man is some kind of a desperate, undignified fool.
:rofl: :rasta: :roflmao:
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Ho lee shiat! Thanks for that post, St. Philip :notworthy: And thanks to Kim, Rich, Woof, Mike, Pokrov and all other who helped make a good show of force to that sadistic lunatic.
BTW, I just posted a blog entry to http://OrangeToiletNews.com/ (http://OrangeToiletNews.com/) Please comment and promote!
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. But the discoloration of his face spoke volumes of what was churning inside. And his eyes where cold as death itself.
I guess we can take some joy in "what's churning inside" Newton........but the facts are, he is living in a large waterfront home, has a steady gig at his latest brainwashing facility, I mean, "church", and has more followers willing to attend boring civic meetings on his behalf than the number of survivors of his abuse that opposed him. I guess that's what bothers me the most, that this child-abusing con man in a priest costume is doing better than most of his victims, materially, anyway.
Until some survivor of his abuse kidnaps and tortures him to death, and does the same to his syphilitic consort, Ruth Ann, I don't think we can say that he has paid for his crimes. If anything, he continues to profit from and enjoy the fruits of his crimes. A damn shame. We can congratulate the participants in the hearing, and each other until we are blue in the face, but that is not going to make a damn bit of difference. Chances are, Miller Newton lives in a nicer house than you do, and has more money at his disposal. He was able to rally more supporters to come out to the hearing, and although we may be annoying to him, no real justice has been served---even in the Corter case, Miller didn't lose a goddamn dime. It was paid by his insurance company. Compared to most of his victims, Miller Newton is living pretty large. And that is the real injustice that needs to be addressed.
Yes, you said it well, he has "more money at his disposal", and "Lives in a nicer home", there is no question about that.
And yes, it woud appear more of his supporters/followers attended than did Survivors. (I personally didnt feel out numbered, cant speak for AB or RB...but he (RB) has almost a foot on me, and maybe 25lbs on me....I dont think he felt out numbered either) I think its pretty simple to figure out. Miller and his crew only live a few blocks from the city hall. The Survivors, two of us live in the county inwhich he resides, and one lives in the next county. I can not speculate why more Survivors couldnt book a flight to Tampa, or Clearwater/St.Pete airport, get a hotel, arrainge transportation, meals, take time from work, possible leave family behind to attend the hearing. My guess is however, the logistics of such a venture would have been impossible for a vast majority of us, since we are spread across the country and the globe.
As far as congradulating Survivors in attendance "Till we are blue in the face"....STOP!, why, because you are right. Our purpose was not the "couplua", I still dont know what one is, or even what one looks like, for me, it's irrevelent. However, I have been told I am am annoying, so, why not put it to good use? Sure, we are thorn in his side (can ya feel us sticking). But that is strickly for Millers benifit and to that end, look at his face, its clear to see we annoyed the hell out of him. and at the same time informed those in the hearing of his past. We aslo made valuable connections in the Madria Beach community that either live adjacent to his property, or very close by.
We approached people, without yelling, screaming, hootin and hollering ( have done that before for Mel Sembler). This type of action raises eye brows of the social elite, at least at the gatherings for Mel Sembler. Once the eye brows go up, our credibility goes down. We are viewed as crack pots, lunitics, angry mob of druggies, disenchanted misfits with an axe to grind. As such, it is easy to dismiss such a mob. Not just dismiss us as a group of people, but also dismiss everything we say. It is an approach that has been used with little if any degree of success.
Now, with the introduction of the idea of kidnapping, torture and death (not that I dont understand the sentiment) is not an answer either. Actually it is the issuing of a Terroristic Threat, illegal in most states! Issuing a Terroistic Threat, how eactly is that going to help our cause? It may satisfy a murderious rage of one or more people, yet as a whole, the Survivor community would have a huge blemmish. We are not murderers, kidnappers, or torture mongers. This is not a viable plan of action. Slowly but surely more and more Survivors are coming from the wood work and out of hiding, just beggining to get thier feet on the ground, just starting to connect the dots and come to grips with what took place and are just tasting the sweetness of VALIDATION. Then it is suggested to kidnap, torture and kill. Again, I understand the authors sentiment, I respect the years of anger and rage carried on your shoulders, I know you want nothing less than to be free of this burden, who wouldnt?
Yes, Miller is living large and I agree it is an injustice and it need be addressed. Violence will not resolve this matter. Miller got where he is today after suffering a major defeat by using legal manuvers (sp), circumventing the laws and using powers of persuasion to achieve what he has thus far. Sooooooo, if it works for a fuck like Miller, it could work for us. We have to ask ourselves, are we as tenacious as Miller Newton? Can we think outside the box?
I am not sure of the order of the church his is suppossed to be a priest of, I know "Stillahippie" is a member of the church, not Newtons church, but the Church Miller represents. Why not have him defrocked? Why not have the real CHURCH strip him of his stained collar. If the city can not remove him from his residence, and his 'church/organization', why not approach his higher authority?
You see, there are ideas that have not been explored, much less even looked at. In our Survivor Community we have several LawDawgs, Lawyers. Ok, so Lawyers have said our time is up, whatever they call it , satutue of limitations. But this is no longer about money, for some it may be, for me personally, it is not. Yet, I have never heard anything beyond the Statute of Limitations door being slammed shut....Fine, what else? Defrock the Priest? Approach leaders of his Church, present to them the facts of our lives.They suppossedly ordained him, if they reviewed the facts, with names, places, dates, information found on the internet, youtube, personal testimony. If officials of the church have no problem with his transgressions with children....we have a biger problem than Miller.
You, or some one asked for a derainged Survivor of his abuse, abduct, torture and painfully extracts the ultimate vengence upon Miller Newtons sorry ass. Your asking for a martyar (sp)? You suggest "Some derrainged survivor" to do this, who would that be? Under examination, any of us that had anything to do with Miller Newton, if closely looked at could be considered derrainged, shell shocked, suffering from PTSD, battle fatigue...whatever, that person then spends his/her life in prison and the rest of us are then viewed as a Terrorist orginization. I havent read the full "Patriot Act" but I know it touches every aspect of every American. And I am pretty sure it covers home-grown Terrorists as well. And should anything happen to Miller or Ruthie, who do you think would be first suspects? Every Survivor site would recieve search warrants to hand over IP addresses and dont think they wouldnt scour every written piece of correspondence. Once the ISP hands over the IP address's, feds knocking on the door wouldnt be far behind, confisgating every harddrive, placing everyone as a suspect. And the post suggesting kidnapping, torture and death would be charged with conspiracy to commit murder.
Again, I understand your reasoning, your emotions, your anger, your rage, your wrath, and your wish for vengence/justice. I am afraid however all of these things combined is clouding your judgement. I am not writing to offend your emotions or to dismiss them in any other way except to say, what your purposing puts us all at risk.There is but one Miller Newton and he achieved everything he has thru loop holes in the law. There are thousands of us, most extremly intellegent, We have to put our minds and body together as one and unify. What ever action we take, we must do with in the boundary of the law, we must repect his neighbors if we wish to have thier continued support. Rash statements, threats of bodily harm and the like will destroy any work that has been done up untill now.
As heated as this situation with Miller is, we must keep our cool, we have to maintain a sense of civility. We have to present ourselves with dignity, integrity, honesty and a singleness of purpose. I am not dismissing any of our emotions, I am saying that for the time being, our emotions need to be kept in check, if we ever hope to have an acceptable outcome.
Then again, I tend to fall for the Dark Humor. I mistake it for being exactly what it looks like, and so my passionate plea here. If in fact, this post I am replying to is Dark Humor...Ok ya got me again, Mea Culpa. Yet, if you were sincere, and meant notihng to be humorious in your statment, understand, that we understand. But the Law may see it as for what said. Kidnapping, torture and death.The legal system most probably will not appreciate your humor, especially in the event of harm coming to Miller or Ruthie.
I encourage:
Much Heaing
Much Peace
woof
Wow. Didn't think my sick sense of humor would be taken for anything other than that. Of course I don't want to see any of Newton's victims to let him in ANY way continue to be a dtriment to them---ands certainly making Newton a martyr and themselves a murdere would be letting him have the ultimate control over them. Personally, I think he is a pathetic old fuck, and although I intend to dance on his grave one day, I certainly don't want anyone to put him there early. LEt the old shithead stew in the knowledge that he is scorned and hated, and once Nature takes it's course and offs the old fuck (hopefully after some serious pain along the way) we can all have a party and breathe a little easier knowing that we OUTLASTED the old child abusing pretend priest, that he and his kind are dinosaurs, doomed by natural selection to extinction. If he is as miserable as he looked on the video of the hearing, he ain't too happy with life. HE looks like the bitter, impotent, constipoated old fuck that he is, and he has to live with Ruthie.......so let him suffer in that Hell of his own creation, and let that be the only lasting legacy of his crimes......and don't any of his victims further contribute to the dmage he has done by harming themselves, even in some misguide, though peerfectly understadable from, my POV, desire for revenge or justice or whatever. Whgich brings me to my main point---I don't think we, as a collective, or even as individuals, will ever see "justice" for what was done to us, it just doesn't exist in this world, or if it does, it's been doing a damn good job of hiding. Life isn't fair, there ain't no justice, no free lunch, and Miller Newton lives on a waterfront lot......and any attempt to "bring him to justice" would not only be impossible at this point, I mean, Justice would be us getting back our formative years, and that just ain't gonna happen, can't happen, won't happen.....so not only would it be impossible to get this "justice", but it would inevittably lead to more harm than good.....if nothing else, the sheer frustration of tryingto achieve some sort of retribution. Living well is the best revenge that we can have at this point, and by living well I don't necessarily meqan having a couple of BMWs in the garage...some of the most miserable fucks I have known have had morer $$$ than GOd.....by living well I mean more of taking control of our own lives and renouncing any cult of victimhood. And while I understand that confronting an abuser can be one of the most effective methods of healing or coping with the trauma they inflicted, to adopt the tactics and methods of the abuser, such as doing actual physical harm, would inevcitably lead to Virgil's martyrdom, and a regression by his victim, knowing thaht he had playe d them, made them the instrument of his attempt at sainthood and finalizing his prediction that the victim was doomed to Jails, Institutions, Etc. 'cause they wouldn't follow the Anointed Vision of Miller Cassian Newton.....so to anyone who may have thought I was doing anything orther than exercising a sick sense of humor, DON'T GO KILLING OR MAIMING VIRGIL OR RUTHIE.....LET 'EM ROT IN THEIR OWN EXCREMENT FOR ANOTHER FEW YEARS, IT WON'T BE LONG< and once they die of painful natural causes, I'll burn one with you on his grave.
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If newton is alive, his existence tortures his victims. Religious folks claim that there is a hell and a heaven. Does anyone think he's going to heaven? :flame: :flame: :flame: It is unfortunate that we are not "authorized" to make this ultimate choice for him, yet there seems to be an intense yearning for hoping he dies sooner than later. Time's a wastin!! God's busy enough as it is you know and reservations for heaven might sell out :roflmao:
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I can envision a group of survivors (and other interested people) agitating Virgil to the point of having a coronary!!! :rofl: It might not be that hard to do, as he seems to get worked up whenever survivors "confront" him...the right amount of people, the right combination of words, timing, etc...I think it could happen... But first I'd like to see him defrocked. Like Woof said (and like I already knew), Stillahippie is Syrian orthodox and therefore could accomplish this. That would be great for a start...
But it would be wonderful if he just up and keeled over from anger! :flame: :flame: :suicide:
I'd love to watch that!!! :roflmao: :rofl: :clown: :rocker:
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I'd like to see him defrocked. Like Woof said (and like I already knew), Stillahippie is Syrian orthodox and therefore could accomplish this. That would be great for a start...
...and the agitated mob clamors for our hero, Still-a-Hippie, and begins to chant louder and louder: "Still-A-Hippie"..."Still-A-Hippie"
...and swift riders are dispatched to to carry the message that must get through... "Still-a-hippie, we need you!"
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Hasn't he been trying to tell them about Newt for a few years now? I thought I remembered him posting rather extensively about his plans to do so.
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Hasn't he been trying to tell them about Newt for a few years now? I thought I remembered him posting rather extensively about his plans to do so.
Actually, I don't think he ever got around to doing it, so it's about time!
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Ok ya'll, I got an idea, but not everyone is gonna like it and maybe it might offend Still-a-hippie and members of his church, but then again maybe it'd be cool, so here it is... :eek:
What if we all just joined Hippies church and all went down there and infiltrated Father Cassians flock and then mutinied on him. Wouldn't that be fun ?? Can you imagine it ?? Father Cassian would think he was really pullin the wool down on us when suddenly at one of the Christ by the Sea foundation prayer meetings we could suddenly rise up out of our submissive postures and hand Virgil a mutiny. Can you imagine the look on his face when he realizes the $tr8 survivors have taken his power! We could all be members of the church, we could become his nightmare! :birthday: :trophy:
... :roflmao: :rofl:
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Hasn't he been trying to tell them about Newt for a few years now? I thought I remembered him posting rather extensively about his plans to do so.
Actually, I don't think he ever got around to doing it, so it's about time!
Yeah! :whip:
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Ok ya'll, I got an idea, but not everyone is gonna like it and maybe it might offend Still-a-hippie and members of his church, but then again maybe it'd be cool, so here it is... :eek:
What if we all just joined Hippies church and all went down there and infiltrated Father Cassians flock and then mutinied on him. Wouldn't that be fun ?? Can you imagine it ?? Father Cassian would think he was really pullin the wool down on us when suddenly at one of the Christ by the Sea foundation prayer meetings we could suddenly rise up out of our submissive postures and hand Virgil a mutiny. Can you imagine the look on his face when he realizes the $tr8 survivors have taken his power! We could all be members of the church, we could become his nightmare! :birthday: :trophy:
... :roflmao: :rofl:
Holy Hell. I mean if someone really wanted to mess with the guy ... cause it would be a major case of turning the table on him. There must be lots of survivors he wouldn't recognize or remember. And it would take time and dedication to achieve the end but a hardcore and determined band of well focused survivors could join his particular foundation, no offense intended toward Hippie or his church, and slowly gain status and trust within the organization. brining more survivors every week until the majority were $tr8 survivors and then one day, at the right time, and on red temple prayers signal, I guess he'd have to be pretty well disguised, :rofl: we could begin to question him and turn on him and it could get ugly...I don't know...I could see it. :cheers:
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In order to facillitate ensuing asshattery would somebody post the following for all to see;
the addy of whom ever the antiocain church
the addy of "christfraud by the sea'
have at it. :seg:
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...or even one secret $tr8 survivor secret agent could infiltrate Miller's foundation and run a sabotage campaign that would bring all kinds of negative attention from the church elders, ultimately leading to his defrocktion.
I don't know maybe we could all just join Hippie in his letter writing too. You know like if everyone wrote a letter supporting Hippies letter that might work. Of course they couldn't be crazy "I can't wait to dance on Virgil's grave" letters, but just inform the church elders who this guy really is, without making it too personal...I actually know Hippie so if I were to write a supporting letter, even though I'm not amember of the church it might lend Hippies letter some credibility... :roflmao: ... :eek: ... ???
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I don't know maybe we could all just join Hippie in his letter writing too. You know like if everyone wrote a letter supporting Hippies letter that might work. Of course they couldn't be crazy "I can't wait to dance on Virgil's grave" letters, but just inform the church elders who this guy really is, without making it too personal...I actually know Hippie so if I were to write a supporting letter, even though I'm not amember of the church it might lend Hippies letter some credibility... :roflmao: ... :eek: ... ???
No, yeah, this part I'm serious about. It might help, but we should let Hippie take the lead on this and let us know what we can do to help. :shamrock: O0
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Hasn't he been trying to tell them about Newt for a few years now? I thought I remembered him posting rather extensively about his plans to do so.
Actually, I don't think he ever got around to doing it, so it's about time!
Even if he hasnt, rather than Still-a-Hip approaching the church alone, it would be in his best interest if he had our support. Still-a-Hip, please take this the way I write it. I know your a sensitive being and I know the intense emotions you can go thru. You do not have to do what we are purposing. If you choose to help in this endeavor, we....I will be willing travel to where ever it is we need to go and stand beside you and present this to the elders of your church. You would not have to be alone in doing so. We have reams of information regarding Miller Newton, we have testimony, we have our own experiance with Miller.
As crafty and snake like as he is, it is ill advised to take this adversary alone without support. I know your anger and outrage at Millers denegration of the good name of your church. You know he should not be there, I know he shouldnt be there and I venture to say Miller knows he doesnt belong there. Its now time Matt, for Miller to be brought down to size. He is not a boogey man to be afraid of. He is a pathetic piece of shit that has no control over us any longer. At the mere sight of us, one can see he has a visceral reaction to us. He simply is afraid. His words are moot, his threats are bogus his power is what it has always been....nothing. More and more see it with our own eyes. He is a pathetic old man desperately trying to use your Churches good name to control, generate fear in good folks that only wish a closer relationship with thier God. And you know Miller as well, if not better than I do. You know he will do nothing but sabotage thier desire to be closer to thier God. He has planned some sort of "Act of Civil Disobeiance" which no doubt will include his followers...there is no reason for any harm to be brought to them while caught up in his bid for power. Matt, we can prevent this.
For the sake of your church, for the sake of the good people under his rule, help us expose Miller Newton as the liar that he is. Its too late for our justice, but the justice for those in his flock is timely. The good that comes out of our efforts, is not for our benifit, but for the seekers of your faith....they are the ones now in jepordy, the innocents now....the families now....the children now. It would be less than honest to imply we would not derive satisfaction from seeing him stripped of power, that is true. But today, now, tonight, this upcoming week he will have direct influence on your brothers and sisters of your faith.
For what ever reason this has been an oversight. It may have been mentioned, but set on the back burner. This is most unfortunate. As I said, what ever support you need, physical, finacial, emotional assistance you need, I will do everything in my power to assist you and I venture to say I am not alone.
Much Healing
Much Peace
woof
PS. I know Still-a-Hip has dropped from the radar recently, but I have his contact info and will get in touch with him.
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Yeah, there's something else stillahippie was talking about doing, and I was going to go into it here, but on second thought, I should refrain from elaborating publically, lest I spoil any fun.
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Hey....I'm all for it and will do whatever I can to help. I think that's probably our best shot and what would do the most damage to him. As I've been saying, he thrives on....LIVES for the adulation and respect of others in the community. So far, we've whittled that down to an extremely small segment of the population. It's time to bring the hammer down on his last vestige of refuge. He is in NO WAY a 'clergyman'. He fancies himself on believing that he's important or holds some stature in the community at large, but as evidenced at EVERY turn..he's dead wrong.
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Have contacted Stll-a-Hip! Stop
He is willing to do what is nessasary. Stop
Am exhausted. Stop
Must sleep. Stop
We will Survive. Stop
We will Thrive Stop
More in the morning. Stop
Much Healing
Much Peace
woof
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In an effort to save time and relieve the cramps in my hands from typing since 0500, I will post my responce to Still-a-Hip which he wrote on the Yahoo Board, I am in hopes he will not mind if I do so, considering the spirit inwhich it was writen.
--- In [email protected], "hippie"
<stillahippie564@...> wrote:
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> woof wrote and called me...i'm almost ready...give me a time table to
go on and i'll make sure i can swing this journey back to the place all
this started for me....
>
Still-a-Hip
I was glad to get a hold of you! I know enotions are running high now,
for you, for myself and for many many others. Your experiance with
Straight is your own. My experiance with Straight was my own. They are
seperate experiances experianced by two seperate beings. If we look at a
larger picture we will see, lets say a 1000 of us had 1000 esperiances.
That is a 1000 different experiances with Straight Inc. Each one varies
with the individuals experiance, and each one is different. Different
due to experiance, due to individual perceptions, due to differnt
"Buildings", due to time spent in the respective "Buildings" and due to
the amount of time we each have been seperate from Straight Inc.
In middle school mathmaticcs I learned of the LCD, The Least Common
Denominator. Our Least Common Denominator is Straight Inc. There is a
tendency for me to forget this from time to time. I remember MY program.
I remember how "I" was abused. I remember the shit "I" went thru. Just
the same you remember "your" program. You remember how "you" were
abused. And you rember the shit "you" went thru. It is obvious to say
that our own experiances resonates thru our own minds and to our own
minds, it does seem to take precedence over anothers experiance. But
lets not for get the LCD, the Least Common Denominator. We all went thru
Straight Inc. It is not in our favor to merely focus on our individual
experiance. We are a collective group of individuals, with a vast amount
of experiances, some bad, some terrible, some horible, some unspeakable,
some that go beyond all I have just listed and bless thier souls, that
have removed themselves from this sphere we call earth.
It is a huge picture to wrap our minds around, we need to hear/read of
each individuals experiance to begin to grasp the Straight Inc.
experiance. This does not imply that as individuals we forget our
personal experiance, but merely set it to the side and allow for others
expressed experiance. Here is where and how I think we can sooth our
high state of emotions now. In the story of the Three Musketers (sp),
there is a line which for whatever reason has stuck with me from the
first time I read the story. That line is; "It is not enough to fight
against something, it is more important that we fight for something."
That is we fight for the greater good, we fight for all!
Thinking along these lines, I think perhaps we can individually calm our
individual emotions. With a clear mind, with clear intent we can make
clear descions that serve the greater good. I, alone, by myself can not
fight and expect the desired outcome. You, alone, by yourself can not
fight and expect the desired results. None of us can fight, alone, by
ourself can not fight and expect the desired result.
Lets put our minds together as one. Yes, a tall order, a seemingly
impossible task, yet i think it essentual that we do so...if the desired
result is to be obtained. But how are we to put our minds together as
one, that is to unify? Well, it seems prudent that we begin with the
merely obvious, discontinue the things that seperate us. The idea of
"Me" and "THEM/OTHERS" must morph into "US" and or "WE".
This, that which we spoke about last night, is not my fight, just the
same it is not your fight, this is not Anne Booney's fight, this is not
Richard Bradbury's fight...This is "OUR" fight. We can not afford to
forget this vital piece of insight.
Myself, and others involved appreciate your willingness to assist us in
this endeavor. As game plans are drawn (you will be included) and dates
are set, all our T's are dotted and our I's crossed we will keep you
well advised. We have much to do, much to plan and much to discuss. Let
us set aside our differences if only for a short time (there will be
plenty of time to resume our normal state of afairs, back-biting,
bickering and bantering) let us be patient with each other, let us
encourage, support and comfort each other. And when the lighting is
right, when the music is right and the mood is right....we shall dance!
Much has been said of "fighting", this may seem contrary to my normal
stance of Peace & Healing. Let us exchange the word "fight" with the
word "effort". We have a general idea of the task before us, it would be
misleading to imply that this is a slam dunk type of effort. Infact, at
present it seems like a massive undertaking, perhaps due to my own
mental/emotional state of exhaustion, here is were I/we must rely on
each others support, encouragement and care. I know others have my back,
I know you now, along with others will lift my spirits by each of your
own efforts, ideas, and individual talents. I know, intellectually and
emotionally this to be true. I also know my sprits will be lifted in
days to come. I knew this yesterday, my spirit began to rise immediately
following our conversation.
My wish for you and all of us as a collective body of Survivors;
Much Healing
Much Peace
woof
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I would be willing to help in anyway that I can. I would be happy to write a letter to the church detailing my experiences while I had my weekend stay at the retreat in question. I have a copy of Newton's version of a drug assessment he did on me, as proof that he is indeed still playing that game. I'm sure you all are familiar with the five levels. Just tell me what to do. I'm so grateful that there are people out there willing to take up this fight. I think woof put it well,
But
lets not for get the LCD, the Least Common Denominator. We all went thru
Straight Inc. It is not in our favor to merely focus on our individual
experiance. We are a collective group of individuals, with a vast amount
of experiances, some bad, some terrible, some horible, some unspeakable,
some that go beyond all I have just listed and bless thier souls, that
have removed themselves from this sphere we call earth.
....
That line is; "It is not enough to fight
against something, it is more important that we fight for something."
That is we fight for the greater good, we fight for all!
Thinking along these lines, I think perhaps we can individually calm our
individual emotions. With a clear mind, with clear intent we can make
clear descions that serve the greater good. I, alone, by myself can not
fight and expect the desired outcome. You, alone, by yourself can not
fight and expect the desired results. None of us can fight, alone, by
ourself can not fight and expect the desired result.
Lets put our minds together as one. Yes, a tall order, a seemingly
impossible task, yet i think it essentual that we do so...if the desired
result is to be obtained. But how are we to put our minds together as
one, that is to unify? Well, it seems prudent that we begin with the
merely obvious, discontinue the things that seperate us. The idea of
"Me" and "THEM/OTHERS" must morph into "US" and or "WE".
This, that which we spoke about last night, is not my fight, just the
same it is not your fight, this is not Anne Booney's fight, this is not
Richard Bradbury's fight...This is "OUR" fight. We can not afford to
forget this vital piece of insight.
cheers
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I would be willing to help in anyway that I can. I would be happy to write a letter to the church detailing my experiences while I had my weekend stay at the retreat in question. I have a copy of Newton's version of a drug assessment he did on me, as proof that he is indeed still playing that game. I'm sure you all are familiar with the five levels. Just tell me what to do. I'm so grateful that there are people out there willing to take up this fight. I think woof put it well,
Wait. :eek: Wait, wait, wait a minute. You spent a weekend at his "church"?! How did this come about? How long ago was it? What happened while you were there?
Glad you got away.
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He's used that "church" for drug treatment referalls/assessments to a program that was directly related to straight inc. It has been known for some time, however, since that particular program is closed, there is most likely another one that is being used in this regard. (AARC, Teen Challenge etc...). Current Newton followers come from the KIDS era as well. As always, anything you can do to help investigate and expose this activity would be greatly appreciated. :nods:
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There is a post from someone on another thread that claims to have been sent to PFC (I think) after a "counseling" session or two with Newton.......is that you?
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Miller Newton is still involved with Kids Helping Kids. He is the reason that I was sent into that program. I had an 'intervention' if you could call it that in Florida at his spiritual retreat, he's a greek orthodox priest now i guess, and he recommended to my parents that i be sent to khk. they didn't even do an assessment of me. I wasn't a heavy drug user, my entire family has apologized for sending me there, they said they were scared into it, which is understandable i guess, but it sucks that i lost those years to that place. i was in just because miller newton referred me there. although i guess it technically isn't kids helping kids anymore, it's pathways family center.
This is the post, it's in the "Call Miller Newton" thread, and originally on the KHK forum......
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He's used that "church" for drug treatment referalls/assessments to a program that was directly related to straight inc. It has been known for some time, however, since that particular program is closed, there is most likely another one that is being used in this regard. (AARC, Teen Challenge etc...). Current Newton followers come from the KIDS era as well. As always, anything you can do to help investigate and expose this activity would be greatly appreciated. :nods:
I've been thinking a lot about that girl that was at the retreat when I was there. If she has turned away from Newton, what he did to her (specifically as a priest or while at the retreat for defrocking purposes) could be very powerful as far as shutting Newton down. I also can't help but think that he's created a mini program like that for others, and may still do that. Did I read in this thread that he rents out that space now? Who are the tenants? I wonder if any are undergoing a mini Newton program. With that particular girl, I wonder if her family paid him to do that? Or maybe that he is 'counseling' the current tenants and making money off of the rent? I have always wondered, what does he gain from doing this? Is is strictly monetary? I am very interested in doing anything to stop this sort of activity, family rejection or not. As always, I am unsure of the next steps that need to be taken.
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If Newton is using this facility for any purpose other than what he has disclosed to the City of Madeira Beach then that would revoke his usage of the property period!
If you have such proof email it to me at www.orangetoiletnews.com (http://www.orangetoiletnews.com)
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If Newton is using this facility for any purpose other than what he has disclosed to the City of Madeira Beach then that would revoke his usage of the property period!
If you have such proof email it to me at http://www.orangetoiletnews.com (http://www.orangetoiletnews.com)
That's what I'm thinking too!!! I wish I'd had this info before the hearing...I'd have definitely brought it to the attention of the hearing master. Lemme know if there's anything I can do.
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I've been thinking a lot about that girl that was at the retreat when I was there. If she has turned away from Newton, what he did to her (specifically as a priest or while at the retreat for defrocking purposes) could be very powerful as far as shutting Newton down. I also can't help but think that he's created a mini program like that for others, and may still do that. Did I read in this thread that he rents out that space now? Who are the tenants?
Don't know....just heard from the neighbors that he is indeed renting out space on the property.
I wonder if any are undergoing a mini Newton program. With that particular girl, I wonder if her family paid him to do that? Or maybe that he is 'counseling' the current tenants and making money off of the rent? I have always wondered, what does he gain from doing this? Is is strictly monetary?
He gets off on being the "guru". He NEEDS to be adored and have followers who hold him up on a pedestal as the "father" that can do no wrong. That's really it. He's a malignant narcissist.
I am very interested in doing anything to stop this sort of activity, family rejection or not. As always, I am unsure of the next steps that need to be taken.
I'm sorry about the family rejection. I'm right there with you...my dad and I don't speak. Unfortunately, this seems to be one of the major outcomes of being Newtonized. Families are shredded to pieces. hang in there and check your PMs.
:peace:
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One woman at the hearing, a Newton zombie, stated that she lives on the property.
She probably fucks German Shepherds with Ruthie in lieu of paying rent.......
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He's used that "church" for drug treatment referalls/assessments to a program that was directly related to straight inc. It has been known for some time, however, since that particular program is closed, there is most likely another one that is being used in this regard. (AARC, Teen Challenge etc...). Current Newton followers come from the KIDS era as well. As always, anything you can do to help investigate and expose this activity would be greatly appreciated. :nods:
I've been thinking a lot about that girl that was at the retreat when I was there. If she has turned away from Newton, what he did to her (specifically as a priest or while at the retreat for defrocking purposes) could be very powerful as far as shutting Newton down. I also can't help but think that he's created a mini program like that for others, and may still do that. Did I read in this thread that he rents out that space now? Who are the tenants? I wonder if any are undergoing a mini Newton program. With that particular girl, I wonder if her family paid him to do that? Or maybe that he is 'counseling' the current tenants and making money off of the rent? I have always wondered, what does he gain from doing this? Is is strictly monetary? I am very interested in doing anything to stop this sort of activity, family rejection or not. As always, I am unsure of the next steps that need to be taken.
I'm sure he is "counseling" people---but since he's wearing his priest costume, rather than his "Doctor of Anthro Psych" costume, he thinks he can get away with defying the state order that he can't counsel unless under someone else's supervision....the whole separation of Church and State thing. If it can be proven that he is disregarding the order, it could be another nail in his career's (as a child abuser and general psychotic, no-good shit) coffin......
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From what I understand what he's doing amounts to an intake, but for an entire weekend. And he's using the same fucking tactics....."I can tell by your eyes that you've done a lot of coke in the last week. You have no rights. You need to "get honest"...." and on and on. Then the kid gets shipped off the the current incarnation of Straight.
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I'm sure he is "counseling" people---but since he's wearing his priest costume, rather than his "Doctor of Anthro Psych" costume, he thinks he can get away with defying the state order that he can't counsel unless under someone else's supervision....the whole separation of Church and State thing. If it can be proven that he is disregarding the order, it could be another nail in his career's (as a child abuser and general psychotic, no-good shit) coffin......
Does anyone know where I could find this order, or any information about his court cases?
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I'm sure he is "counseling" people---but since he's wearing his priest costume, rather than his "Doctor of Anthro Psych" costume, he thinks he can get away with defying the state order that he can't counsel unless under someone else's supervision....the whole separation of Church and State thing. If it can be proven that he is disregarding the order, it could be another nail in his career's (as a child abuser and general psychotic, no-good shit) coffin......
Does anyone know where I could find this order, or any information about his court cases?
I saw references to it on Wes Fager's site, thestraights.com, but I don't know where. The order came after Newton had been dismissed from St. Petersburg College, when he was "counseling" (setting up for abuse) teens at his "church" (brainwashing indoctrination center/tax dodge). I'm sure that some of the other contributors to this thread could help with the details and/or location...........
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Found an old St. Pete Times article on it on ISAC....
http://www.isaccorp.org/straight/NewtonCollection.pdf (http://www.isaccorp.org/straight/NewtonCollection.pdf)
Ex-Straight Leader Files to Helps Kids
By Curtis Krueger
Originally published in the St. Petersburg Times, August 24, 1999
ST. PETERSBURG - The once controversial counselor, however, says he's not interested
in working with a substance abuse program again. Miller Newton, who once helped lead
the highly controversial drug treatment program Straight Inc., applied earlier this year for
the right to provide substance abuse counseling to youths referred by Pinellas County's
Juvenile Assessment Center. But Newton, a psychologist who also came under fire for
his work at a center he managed in New Jersey, said Monday that he has no intention of
getting back into substance abuse treatment of teenagers. "I'm not involved in any highprofile,
controversial kind of work anymore," Newton said. "I'm 61 years old next week,
and I'm living a little quieter kind of life. I'm not really interested in directing a program
or doing anything like that any more." In the early 1980s, Newton served as national
clinical director and in other posts for the St. Petersburg-based Straight Inc., which was
repeatedly criticized and sued by former clients for alleged psychological and physical
harassment.
He left the center in 1983 and later became president of Kids of North Jersey, which
provided mental health services for youths. This agency was involved in controversies
similar to the criticisms leveled at Straight.
A report filed earlier this year by New Jersey Assistant Attorney General Barbara Pryor
Waugh said that in the Kids program youths often were prevented from contacting their
parents; clients were restrained without proper authorization; clients were restrained by
other clients; and staffing was insufficient.
The New Jersey program paid $45,000 to the federal government in 1996 to settle a claim
that Newton and the program improperly submitted 254 insurance claims. The program
and Newton denied any wrongdoing. The Kids program closed last year.
Newton said he is working locally as a psychologist and worked briefly with another
psychologist, Roma Schiefer, who has an office in Seminole.
Newton said he did not recall sending an application for referrals for substance abuse
counseling in January to the Juvenile Assessment Center, which is where juveniles are
evaluated after being picked up by police in Pinellas County.
But he said he could have because the office he worked with was sending out several
such letters to build up clients. An advisory board to the Juvenile Assessment Center
reviewed his application and decided in June to table it until board members could learn
more about Newton's work since his days with Straight. The state Department of
Children and Families sent Newton a letter this month saying he "cannot continue to
operate without a (substance abuse) license," or without proving that he is exempt from
needing one. But Miller said he is not working as a substance abuse counselor. He said he
is properly licensed as a psychologist. He said he works primarily in the area of
neuropsychological assessments and is not doing any ongoing treatment of clients, except
to finish with a few people he worked with at Schiefer's practice. He has otherwise quit
Schiefer's practice, but she said the parting was a business decision and not based on any
concern over his treatment methods.
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Have you called Miller Newton today to express your disgust that he is still alive?
Seriously, this asshole is STILL, after all these years, continuing to fuck up the lives of children. Now it's the kids of his "followers" that are being victimized. You see, there are individuals who are still brainwashed, who still regard him as some kind of guru with the final word on Life and how to live it. Those sad excuses for human beings now have children of their own who they raise according to the will and whim of "Dr.""Dr." Rev. Virgil Miller"Frather Cassian" Newton. The destruction this evil man has wrought on countless lives, many, if not most, of whom are children, is continuing to this day in the form of "counseling" sessions and "parenting advice". If for no other reason than to potentially disrupt his schedule of fucking up the minds of the young and exploiting the stupidity and/or brainwashed condition of his followers, you shouod call him and let him know that you have not forgotten his abusive acts and criminal antics. He is a child abuser, a liar, a con man, a swindler, and an all-around asshole. We must continue to remind him that we have neither forgiven nor forgotten the crimes that he has committed and continues to commit. Every second he spends on the phone hearing us tell him about himself is a second that he is not harming the psyche of an innocent child. Miller Newton and his truly disgusting philosophy, which I refer to as "Newtonism", are cancers on the body and mind of humanity. Newton and Newtonism must go. Too bad we can't burn him at the stake on live TV as a warning to other would-be Newtons......but we can call him at his home or office, 727-392-3437, and let him know that we are keeping an eye on him, doing what we can to contain the spread of his sick philosophy and dangerous, criminal activities. He has destroyed many lives and poisoned many young minds, and unfortunately, the damage he does is contagious. There are many who have never met the monster in person who are still being adversely affected by his crimes---the children, siblings, families and friends of those who were exposed to his madness and evil are often the ones who suffer as severely as those who were directly damaged by his antics. From the induced neurosis of his firsthand victims to the psychological scars borne by their children and families, the destruction brought about by adherence to his insane, demented philosophy continues, bringing only pain and suffering in its wake. Call Miller Newton today, at 727-392-3437 and tell him that you have not forgotten his crimes, and demand restitiution from him. If nothing else, you are helping to ensure that he is reminded of his crimes. Don't give him a moment's rest from the righteous anger of his victims.
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O Man! thanks Woof. I'm well amused by your work. Dial up is so slow though :smashcomp: , I'm just now downloading the "Miller makes his case" clip. :D :cheers: