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Title: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on June 18, 2009, 12:26:19 AM
After consulting with several attorneys on this matter. A few of us have collectively decided to file a class action against, The Seed Inc., its shareholders, former staff members, and the State of Florida.

Please, forward your names and contact information if you are interested in participating in this class action claim, which will be filed in Federal Court, under diversity of citizenship. (If interested, I will forward you direct contact information.)

We only need 40 participants for a class filing. We have many more than that already who are onboard. We will be posting adverts in several Florida publications as required legal notice.

Action would include:

Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress
False Imprisonment
Kidnapping
Improper use of federal funds raised for drug treatment purposes and used for other purposes
Violating state, and federal law that mandated school attendance for children up to 16 years of age
Emotional, physical and psychological abuse on a minor
Fraud
Inducement
Cruel and unusual punishment
Destruction of medical records
Damages
Punitive damages

These charges fall under civil as well as criminal in nature, and federal court is the proper venue for such matters. Federal courts may hear both civil and criminal matters simultaneously. State courts may not. Further, since the State of Florida will be a named defendant, federal court is the proper venue.

We hope this would finally appease those injured by that unjust organization.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: susan on June 18, 2009, 09:03:01 AM
What should have been done so long ago thank you for helping, and anything at all let me know,  and all stand up for selves, no more being afraid and hiding who and how one feels, we are human damn it , not criminals, not children of the seed, we are souls, not bodies sitting on a hard chair, and we deserve to help others that  are still going through this crap, so please all stand up, and sign, and be part of something that we all have control over now, that's our justice, and our peace. our Humanity. I always knew their was a God, and i knew it was not FART BARKER.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: susan on June 18, 2009, 09:05:29 AM
They should indeed have to pay back anyone they took from, whether it be a child suffering or just the greedy checks they so stole from so many parties.  tell me where i sign, and may i use my blood. Peace.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Cyndeelouwho on June 18, 2009, 12:17:38 PM
:twofinger:  :notworthy:  :soapbox:  :timeout:  :cheers:  :shamrock:  :jamin:  :rasta:

I love you sis!
Sign in blood.

Thats the best yet....
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on June 18, 2009, 11:21:27 PM
posting.php?mode=reply&f=8&t=27723# (http://fornits.com/wwf/posting.php?mode=reply&f=8&t=27723#) this guy is cute, reminds me of the cool dude on the keep on trucking when i was pulled out of school, i use to love to  see jack drawling him, ans so many other kids, keep on! posting.php?mode=reply&f=8&t=27723# (http://fornits.com/wwf/posting.php?mode=reply&f=8&t=27723#)
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on June 19, 2009, 07:29:13 AM
how do i get the cute  smillys to work???
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Antigen on June 19, 2009, 07:36:15 AM
Who's the lawyer?
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Stripe on July 03, 2009, 07:08:45 PM
That's a good question.  Who is the lawyer or firm?
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 04, 2009, 12:37:52 AM
its in the works.

please, try and find as many victims as you can.

don't worry about statutory limitations.

we are raising funds, some people are even offering to sell their cars, and other properties to have their day in court.

personally, i don't believe anyone will go to jail, although they should. but, they will be stripped of all their assets.

it would be nice to see art barker in his final days, in the same condition he was in when he arrived to torture, rape, and murder kids.

homeless!!!
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Inculcated on July 04, 2009, 01:01:20 AM
S. Jones
If you’re legit then by all means I wish you the best in your endeavor.

 However, I have to wonder why someone asking others to rally fellow victims to their cause has asked this while leaving no contact information, and has never signed in. While I certainly understand any troll trepidation as being reason for caution, “It’s in the works” seems to be a very vague for someone coordinating such a plan.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 04, 2009, 01:05:30 AM
these things take time.

i live in japan.

i walked away from this shit for 30 plus years.

now i realize the harm the seed, and this tough love programs are causing.

http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-gulags.html (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-gulags.html)

literally, thousands if kids are dead because of these false profits.

it must be stopped.

only one pathway program is left.

all others have been shutdown by protest and awareness.

its a good start.

any of these programs shut down - is a good start.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Inculcated on July 04, 2009, 01:14:13 AM
Okay.
(revised)
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 04, 2009, 06:56:30 PM
You may think you can walk away but it never leaves you, courts are here for a reason I say go for the kill do on to others as they did to you, I for sure will back you in all you have said, and then some, I think it would help many get on for once in life rather then just get.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Cyndeelouwho on July 04, 2009, 08:23:37 PM
Sign me up, how much $$ do you need, I have 20 ares in Taos I can sell
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 04, 2009, 11:04:22 PM
I have a car I am willing to sell, no joke was saving it for what ever, might as well use it for healing, it would heal me to see those fuckers have to stand before a court of law, hope I have a chance to just spit one time in their face like they did to me, sorry but I hated that day, and I have yet to accept that day being a good day, those bastards deserve nothing, and I hate to say it but yes they could  end up in jail where they belong, shit who cares about jail at this point, if I was any of them, I would so be like not sleeping well, imagine being them instead of us, lol, sleep well my stupid fools, as there are many that hate you, I for one am your biggest hater, the seed indeed is not what it be, I can not believe the Government was so stupid to give any funds to a freaking drunk/comedian.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: ross on July 05, 2009, 08:10:13 PM
yyes i am interested! let us know how to proceed.. i am personally aware of documentation that exists which would be of benefit  post contact information here soon... also i thank god for stack i too was in tropical park, and it was a different operation than others i've read about.... hey stack remember the metro-dades responding to bomb-calls there? i do.  let's move on this as this heart at least cries for justice!     LET'S ROLL, GRIGSY!
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 05, 2009, 08:34:39 PM
I am ready to sign anything needed to get this out in the public view, making anyone aware of places like this  is so important, too many lives are hurting daily still from places as this. Thank you stack for showing us that we can speak up and not be frightened nor ashamed to say what really went on in that place. Thank you again.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 10, 2009, 07:58:13 AM
yes, i do remember being dragged arm in arm into the parking lot for bomb threats.

but, if you know anything about false flag operations, it was barker himself making those phone calls.

the mayor of miami -- we all know now, kicked barker out of miami, and played a major roll in getting barker's licensed yanked permanently in broward county.

--

barker would do anything for a tenth of a penny.

and for the publicity he craved.

sadly, for him and a victory for all of us, nearly all of his press, was negative.

he is a pedophile psychopath that never acknowledged his crimes. but, then again psychopath's don't.

sadly, neither has the state of florida, or ohio.

but, we all know this.

he is a complete failure.

where is the seed now?

his claim of a 90% success rate, would have him at the top of the heap.

instead, he's now living behind his "bricked walls" in sheer loneliness.

he is merely a mocked and scorned cartoon of the past.

a symbol of an arcane - manson like figure. locked away and forgotten.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 10, 2009, 09:58:15 AM
What makes this art barker any different then any other criminal, what keeps him out of the courts, I for one a victim would like to know how, why is this not looked into, do we all not have rights, my sister will be here in few weeks and  will guide me to the court house and I will myself begin a life long dream, I want my true story told to the courts, and I want justice, nothing wrong with wanting justice, it will heal me to see something done, I do not care if it is  100 years later, something need be done, Stack is a special soul, he lets ones soul remember the pain, but in a way I no longer have to be frightened, thank you Stack, Peace. Anyone else wanting to join me with sister to the courts let me know,  few weeks from now I know I will feel lighter, and a true smile that was taken from a 13 year old girl is going to light up again , stealing a child's soul at 13,  ( trying too steal I did not let them get my soul ) taking their child hood is a crime as far as I am concerned, and maybe my cried out acts of violence against me from that place will help keep someone out of those type of places Keep up the good help Stack, again thanks. Again and again Peace, to all.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Johnny G on July 13, 2009, 01:28:38 PM
Truth is, the seed, inc no longer exists; the staff, art barker, lybbie, etc. are not individually responsible for anything, only the corporation is/was responsible;  Any funds the program had accumulated have been stashed in various legal entities well beyond the reach of dissatisfied clients.

NAme calling is about all that is left.

If you were a minor, you were put there by your parents - as a minor you did not need to be informed or consulted about anything; your consent was not required.  Minors have no rights;
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 13, 2009, 01:51:05 PM
hmmm.

johnny g. you bring up some valid points.

however, the catholic church was found liable for thousands of crimes against children in civil proceedings.

the same concept does apply here.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 13, 2009, 01:58:45 PM
let's cut the crap! the reason there are trolls is that this thing goes far  and wide! there are many and many who seek justice let the lawyers publish their contact info and you'll have a host!              to the trolls...justice will follow, and you just don't know whom you might meet one day.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 13, 2009, 02:36:30 PM
we shall see who is responsible.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 13, 2009, 02:38:01 PM
we shall see who is responsible.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Johnny G on July 13, 2009, 03:18:26 PM
The catholic church still exists as a business and a legal entity, the seed (and its bank account) is but a memory.
The inner circle may have their faults but they are not stupid.  

All of the assets have been passed to various trusts, etc. and are most likely well protected.

Any legal action would be for personal satisfaction only, there would be no jackpot.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Cyndeelouwho on July 13, 2009, 03:21:04 PM
I am not looking for any jackpot.

I am looking to expose crackpots

Crackpots that live in million dollar condos on the intracoastal waterway with views of the ocean from their 2660 square foot luxury digs

Money they got from acts of fraud
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 13, 2009, 03:36:43 PM
Money they got from the EXPERIMENT they said I was, somebody better pay me for being an EXPERIMENT, because I am no way a fucking EXPERIMENT. Libby looks like a hillbilly herself, oh Libby, are the rain drops falling on your head?????? ahahahahahaahahah may you forever hate your past, may you wake up peeing in your jeans daily.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Johnny G on July 13, 2009, 03:37:30 PM
In south florida, the seed is old news;

Most of the current residents weren't there when it was happening and don't care. those that were there then are done with it.

The rest of the world is blissfully unaware;  The parents of the kids that were affected are glad that chapter is closed.  

Most folks don't want any association with a rehab publicized for professional reasons (hence anonymity rules), so few of those directly affected will be willing to come forward in a public forum such as a courthouse where legal standing would need to be established.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Johnny G on July 14, 2009, 03:31:57 PM
I see people selling land and cars to support the effort

It's in the works?  

Soundslike you have resources coming in based on a pretty nebulous cause - do we send money to a bank in Nigeria?

Seems to me that any effort at a class action suit has degenerated into a volley of name calling and idle threats;

can't say I didn't see that coming.

I will be interested to see where this is going.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 14, 2009, 03:39:42 PM
Power to the VICTIMS, FUCK THE STAFF.
libby, libby, libby
on the table, table, table
sucking, sucking sucking
but art's not able, able , able
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Johnny G on July 14, 2009, 03:40:57 PM
Thought so
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Cyndeelouwho on July 14, 2009, 07:37:25 PM
These things take time, unfortunately every one that wants something done, wants it done now.

No one asked you to send $$ or anything for that matter.

If you feel its some sort of scam, stay away from it, your freedom. That is what is so lovely about a class action.

For some, name calling is a way to express past events that were so haunting and criminal, they get a certain euphoria from being able to rant a little now.

It's nothing compared to what was suffered at others hands so long ago.

So many have died, moved on and/or want anonymity, as you claim. Thats cool, nothing wrong with that.

I , for one, am not in a situation where my job would be jeopardised because there are no records of me ever being there (according to research I did back when they closed in 2002)

That in itself is a little disturbing, if you get my drift.

So keep your chin up johnny g, all is well in whoville.

We are just having a little fun and games, probably like you had when you first showed up here at this forum.

No harm, no foul. :shamrock:

Peace and good energy
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 14, 2009, 08:33:22 PM
YEA!
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 15, 2009, 02:09:14 PM
to the top
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: susan on July 15, 2009, 03:40:43 PM
too the top :peace:
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 15, 2009, 03:41:52 PM
bump
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Stripe on July 15, 2009, 04:32:51 PM
Stack,

Here's one of the many problems with a class action in a U.S. state or federal court: There is no existing entity, with money, that can compensate for damages or that can be punished with punitive damages.  Illegal actions by officers and directors will pierce the corporate protection veil and subject the corporate evil-doers to personal liability.  That assumes any case filed would get beyond a motion to dismiss or a motion for summary judgment. Also, the suit would have to name  "everyone and his brother" to actaully be an effective tool.That means everyone - including  the staff members/Sgt. Schultz types who claim they "knew nothing," successor programs and the program directors, their staff members, etc.    

As for the money, a dissolving 501(c)(3) like The Seed is required under the Internal Revenue Code to donate its holdings to one or more 501(c)(3) corps. upon dissolution. It would be possible to trace the charitable money, but to what end? If the blood money went to successor drug programs, then by all means it should be yanked.  But if it actually ended up doing some good, what is the current social benefit of stripping funds from charity that actually helps people?  The place is closed so there's not much by way of injunctive relief, either.  

Not saying this could not be done, just thinking.

Peace out.

Stripe
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 15, 2009, 11:22:35 PM
stripe, your considerations are excellent.

however, i doubt barker took any of the proceeds he had and used them for other npo's or programs mentioned. i'm certain there could be a showing he co-mingled those funds with his personal assets, through tracing those funds.

also, in a class - you need 40 participants. we have that already.

but, i don't think anyone is interested in money - they are interested in justice.

its more the message to existing programs that are killing kids. and they are in fact, killing kids.

remember the old laidlaw case - laidlaw was out of business when it lost that matter. there are a myriad of cases where tracing funds were recovered, after the corp. failed.

here - just putting barker back out on the street -- the place he started when he came to so. fla. would be a victory. it would be nice to see that ft. lauderdale condo up for auction.

i doubt anybody is interested in proceeds.

but it would be nice to have 3 victory parties. one at the old tropical park location, one at the old blimp hangar location, and one at the old highway 84 location.

of course, he would probably be dead before this all happened, but it is a nice thought.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 15, 2009, 11:31:12 PM
I think that's a lovely idea, I for one could care less about profit, if I did I would have done something long time ago, fact is there are thousands of  kids out there today that need our help  to become free again, profit is something those fools were into, think the fact that the bastard would be where he started is grand, likes this a lot, Peace stack, you are a smart guy. Car is still available to help with this case.  :peace:
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Cyndeelouwho on July 16, 2009, 12:44:57 PM
nazi war criminals were tried years after they escaped germany

we choose not to forget in order to help future generations

this was never about money, it is and always will be about stopping abuse

barker started an evil cycle of kidnap, torture, rape, abuse and murder and lives high on the hog off the proceeds from commiting crimes against humanity and fraud

it allows people like Terri Nissley (Pathways) to carry on in his same money grabbing tradition

It is sad when innocent lifes are traded for a buck

It is sad that money provided by parents to help their children is used to buy a luxury condo.

Most of the true humanitarians in the world (ghandi, mother teresa)
 do not live in the lap of luxury.

barker thinks he is the pope, he is sadly mistaken
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 16, 2009, 12:55:54 PM
Exactly how I feel, thank you, Cyndeelou,Peace! :peace:
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 16, 2009, 03:57:02 PM
+1
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Stripe on July 17, 2009, 03:07:20 PM
Stack,

Back in 2004 (when I was "waking up") I did some pretty extensive research on Mr. Barker.  He does, in fact, invest heavily in real estate here in S. Fla. - Palm Beach County in particular. It's through a company called Sound Mortgage (in business with some seedlings).     It's a pretty clever tax avoidance scheme - I have to hand it to the planners.  Anyway, he did invest in a drug rehab in Delray Beach, FL and that business is still open - so there may actually be some injured persons whose claims are within the SOL.

As for barker, I have all my research in a drawer in my file cabinet.  There's nothing illegal about tax avoidance and tax planning - but it was funny, when I laid the scheme out for all to read, I was hit with a ton of sour grapes.  My dad used to say that a hit dog always hollers.
I have a knack for tracing (money, assets, investments) so if your proposed attorney needs assistance on that, have that party contact me via email here.  I'm licensed to practice law here in FL - the offer is legitmate.  

I thought I had a golden idea the other day: seek redress in the International Criminal Court - for war crimes (declared drug war on US citizens) but unfortunately, the U.S. is NOT a signatory on the Treaty of Rome so it's not subject to ICCt jurisdiction. I can't really see any current or future president or congress pushing to sign the treaty  - there would be hell to pay by the exectuive and legislative branches of the US gov't. for war crimes in other areas of the world if the US signed on.  As far as I can tell, unless and until the US signs the treaty of Rome, US citizens cannot be tried in that court.  Maybe there is a way around it.  I don't know.  I had to concentrate on "paying" work so I can pay the bills.  

Stripe
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 17, 2009, 04:01:37 PM
I heard about a lot of that when some of the "staff" and inner circle guys were getting established in various businesses;
Overheard a lot of conversatiuon when "spending the nite" at the seed (being unpaid security guards.

The focus on real estate was rolling in the mid 80's;  

They weren't stupid
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 17, 2009, 04:14:14 PM
Keep digging stripe, you are over looking all the crimes this art barker has done, and as far as getting paid, what would the price be to get this out into the real world, talking news press, etc.. I do believe that if this person still has a drug rehab going it should be closed down, stay forward on this, if you are legit, you will find a way to get this bastard behind bars, this all seems like some nightmare that will not end till he is confronted in a court, once he is confronted it all will spill out, every freaking thing I promise that one to anyone, keep eyes ears open, lose no sleep over it, the law stands for anyone  and time should not matter, what you have is a wicked soul still out harming , and this has got to stop, I said I would meet with you, you said you were in Florida, so am I, and close to where they live, in that area, they should not own shit, and talking about it bugs the crap out of me, he has because of others blood, I myself would like to help in any way close anything that bastard has, sorry for the boldness, but what I went through and what my family still goes through, deserves  a day in court, it will just take a strong soul that can handle all the pain that will be heard , in other words, what anyone thinks does not matter,  but if we are heard it will matter, this is not some small task, it is a hard task, for one it will take a while before anyone is heard, and the bastard may just drop dead before it is even set, but to be heard and to get any place  like that shut down,  well  would be saving lives,  I say if  because it is going to take a strong soul to handle this, thing is  are you strong enough, and can you handle this? Tell you what I want nothing out of this,  but if something  was  to come out of it, you be well known,  and that too will take a strong soul to handle that.  I could go on for days, but it is you that has to be strong, I myself already am, and  my story alone will blow the news papers, I was 13 back then, I am 49 now, well, I am looking forward to meeting you, Peace. :peace:
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 18, 2009, 10:58:03 AM
stripe.

we are all churning the legal concepts at this point.

i'm a lawyer, in japan. working in immigration law.

--

many years ago some people i knew were in the marijuana smuggling business.

about 20 years later the DA in miami filed charges against 70 co-conspirators. top on the list was pablo escobar, the second name on the list was my old band manager. probably half the others i knew. he spent 5 years in federal prison before the guideline requirements. the other half i knew all got 15 or 30 years in federal. doing 85% of their time.

i was NOT part of that ring. as everybody that ever knew me, knows i was against that crap.

but what is worth noting from that case is two things.

one - SOL did not apply when the DA came up with a scheme to say that a 500 dollar drug debt was paid 20 years later, so it brought the entire case retro.

it was moved to gainesville. need i say more?

second, the DA had NOTHING, but once they ran with this, and used their intimidation, every one that had something to hide and something to gain rolled on others.

oh, roy black was my managers attorney.

today my old manager has federal contracts and has a great life.

--

points...

1) SOL is dissolved with barker investing in drug rehabs.

2) what old staff members facing federal crimes would not rollover to become state witnesses.

its the way the game works.

we can discuss this further.

email me.

[email protected]

i'm not afraid to give my contact.

unlike the robber barons.

one sister has a classic nearly undriven mustang and the other land to sell.

some other people offered money.

but, from some of the posts, it looks like the defense might try to make an offensive move.

--

i really think this is a great movie.

i am friends, and have worked with both alan sacks, and jeff levine in hollywood. two big producers.

there is plenty of money in this from a movie deal.

whether is is a fantasy scenario, as i depicted, or a realistic movie.

it is a sure fire hit.

you know as well as me, that what it takes to make a name for yourself as a lawyer, is a great case. something novel.

this is that.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 18, 2009, 03:48:13 PM
Car could go on auction for a good cause,( double what it is worth or more) for one it would also bring out more people from hiding,( even some wealthy seed victim may come out of hiding, and want to kick some ass too)  I say go for it, I am so backing this, need I say more...... lets rock :twofinger:
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 20, 2009, 07:02:21 AM
pop
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 21, 2009, 06:33:53 AM
bump
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 21, 2009, 12:50:47 PM
lets focus on whats important
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 21, 2009, 01:02:13 PM
Like closing everyone of those places up, that would be a good thing, Peace! :peace:
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 21, 2009, 03:43:14 PM
yep
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 21, 2009, 05:05:22 PM
All righty then folks, time for just a little honesty, truth, fidelity bravery, all the good words that mean nothing when times are good. Seedlings this is America, you can hate me as you like, long as it's fair.
what the seed meant to me.. at a young age, falsely accused, made to serve an indeterminate sentence. sentence was to include, but not be limited to, fatigue, pain, humiliation, intimidation.The infliction of  pain would include the witness of,and public approval of, public humiliation of others. sentence completion was dependent on one's ability to lie, utterly and completely. Sentence completion would , as a necessity for release, include devotion to the captors, and other actions to be determined by captive agency. sentence completion would also neccesitate social isolation, and a dependency on the captive agency
POST THE LAWYERS ADDRESS< I WILL TESTIFY
as to the money( always the cool eye drifting toward the money) I knew as a kid, that 250.00$ per kid, even with donations of food and transport and labor and huge buildings for a dollar a year were not enough to support  all the lifestyles, all the hidden initiatives, i knew then, as i know now, that the favors of the politically prominent can not be be bought with good words alone, sooner or later, there must be cash on the barrel-head .
post sentence ; a ruined education, a social status as a pariah( good friends, including teachers, avoided me because they had been , or felt threatened, by the taint i had acquired.. they might lose careers, marriages, hopes, social standing themselves amidst the hysteria ... he's a druggie, she's a druggie, she or he associates with druggies, didn't ya know?)  So then what happened? i found a career in high-stress, high-risk work, these days, i've got quite a few war stories, but not much else.. it all has "the cast of the inevitable".... what's your story? and what do you wanna do about it?
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 21, 2009, 05:16:24 PM
you go Justin, I will tell my story one day, it was horrible, t.y. for sharing and I too will back Justine, thinks this shit needs :peace:  a long jury trial, no one should be a prisoner. Peace
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 22, 2009, 06:44:01 AM
bump
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 22, 2009, 10:00:54 AM
what does pop and bump stand for???? sorry just want to understand what they mean.no pun intended.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 22, 2009, 10:45:42 AM
My guess is that someone wants this to be at the top
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 22, 2009, 10:50:18 AM
cool thank you. :twofinger:
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 23, 2009, 04:44:43 PM
Don't forget that noted attorney, webmeister, writer, musician and all around wonderful guy, Stack Jones, together with his wonderful family - cindylou and susan and guest and justin and..., are going to swoop in from Japan and save the day - this is serious and please open up and send us your info so we can get a case together - it is all in the works

WE have a collector car and a bunch of real estate to sell to pay for costs;

Watch this space!!!
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 23, 2009, 04:47:14 PM
LMFAO!!  Thanks for the laugh!
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 23, 2009, 08:17:31 PM
don't you dare!  I am not stack , nor do i know or affiliate with him! read my posts and you will see that there is a significant difference, I am insulted, both by stack's language, and any inference that i might be him. read my posts.. think.. done and over, Yeah? after the post which mocked ginger's loss and the one that effectively threatened greg;s family, i can not think of that guy ,if one guy it is, as anything but a serpent.. Haven't much use for them.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 23, 2009, 09:23:56 PM
Juston stop being a pussy, Stack and his family rock,  he seems to have the balls around here, remember the screaming in your ear from those staff members, focus on what happened, and ignore the idiots that try so hard to stop what was really done in that God horrible place, focus everyone! :peace:  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 24, 2009, 12:34:11 AM
The three ring circus these three form is certainly no class act.
-There is a sucker born every minute.
The Jonses :twofinger:   :spam:   :clown:
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 24, 2009, 09:09:59 AM
Express what you think class is, especially when it comes to abuse, please express your class act.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 27, 2009, 07:09:22 AM
bump
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 27, 2009, 09:29:18 AM
Quote from: "P.T. Barnam"
The three ring circus these three form is certainly no class act.
-There is a sucker born every minute.
The Jonses :twofinger:   :spam:   :clown:
                                                                            :flip: This guy is as smart as the lent in my bellybutton, JONES, get it right you flippin looney. :flip:
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 28, 2009, 06:42:35 AM
bump
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 28, 2009, 09:06:19 PM
1xrm
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 29, 2009, 03:49:37 AM
I'm guessing this thread is as real as the obit one was. Nothing new is ever posted, just bumpity bump bumps. ::)
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 29, 2009, 06:41:54 AM
This is a good barometer of how serious the radical gang of one (2 or 3) is that has recently swamped this forum.
It is, however, the only vehicle available to "save kids" and "stop these people" from whatever.

I do think it is misplaced, it belongs on the Straight forum, as Mel Sembler et al have more to fear from public opinion than any of the principals at the Seed.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 29, 2009, 08:12:36 AM
Sorry Greg not working, now lets see how long  you go at this today getting near weekend, you watching your kid today again, or playing on line like the fool you always have been, no matter what happens, you will always look like the fool you are. Antigen rocks, and you well,  just roll on out of here like you did long time ago.  :roflmao:
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 29, 2009, 12:55:44 PM
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Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: GregFL on July 29, 2009, 02:08:40 PM
Quote from: "Guest"
This is a good barometer of how serious the radical gang of one (2 or 3) is that has recently swamped this forum.
It is, however, the only vehicle available to "save kids" and "stop these people" from whatever.

I do think it is misplaced, it belongs on the Straight forum, as Mel Sembler et al have more to fear from public opinion than any of the principals at the Seed.

I promised myself I would stay out of here but this post is the only intelligent thing I see on here lately worth of a  response. I don't think even Sembler, et al. has much to fear from public opinion anymore as anyone who cares already knows about him and he lives his life in the upper echelon of society where public opinion is a mere inconvenience. The real battleground is in the current programs.

I would say this.  I understand the anger that people feel when they have buried this stuff and then it percolates to the surface.  Not only do I understand it I have experienced it first hand. I just processed it differently and luckily was able to get over it without harming myself.   This anger was indeed the inspiration for the seed discussion forum.  

I am fortunate enough to have gone thru this quite a few years ago when only a handfull of us were on the internet talking it thru.  Those conversations can be found somewhere on fornits archived from a prior bulletin board that Ginger and Wes (may he rest in peace) set up.  I was maybe the 7th or so person to the party. We all from all parts of the country  decided to channel our outrage onto a  current program in Orlando, showed up with homemade signs (my older daughter and I spent all night making signs). I found my best use was talking to the parents in a rational manner and noticed that when people raged, they just shrugged it off. Things just started snowballing from there. We used to spend hours every day going from forum to forum on the internet talking about this stuff, chasing news articles and telling people what was going on. Even still, I never wanted to moderate this forum but with steady prodding from Ginger and with an idea I had, that I could create a different type of forum from the rest of Fornits that actually brought in real answers from the insiders, nutured all who came in to talk and allowed a real conversation instead of a shouting match, encouraged debate instead of attacks and gave people a chance to heal instead of just vent. The conversations that ensued were only part of it. I had people VERY close to Art Barker calling me and sending me things, tellling me stories that led me down paths I had no idea existed , and generally fascinating me to no end. Ginger, for all her flaws (and mine, and all of ours) has steadfastly, thru personal tragedy, thru thick and thin,  committed to keeping this place up.  She is the real reason so much attention is now focused on these programs. So there you have it, the reason this forum exists, and the reason the current programs are  catching so much heat,  A small group of people talking on the internet, and a  middle aged lady who is committed to shine a light on the teen help industry  and those inspired by the conversations and revelations that have come out of these forums.  

Back to the anger. The trick is to channel the negative energy into something constructive.  Is attacking people you don't know  and that are pretty much untouchable constructive?  I don't think so.  Is attacking people who may have also been misguided and are trying to live out their lives in peace and do good in the world constructive? Not in my book.  Is a recoverable lawsuit against the Seed or any of its participants likely?  No. Way too much time has gone by and the courts aren't friendly to these lawsuits anyway.  I sat in federal court  at the request of a kid and his mom for moral support and watched a clear case of current abuse get dismissed.  The kid afterall was a 'druggie who needed help' and claims of cult, abuse, etc were dismissed out of hand.  How will that change? Certainly not by trolling a forum.  Is violent imagery lending credibility to your position, whether it is satirical or not?   Of course not. In addition to making you look crazy, it makes the entire totalitarity of all critics look sketchy.  That is why I believe someone thinks the trolling may be an attempt to discredit the forum. I don't. I think it is genuine rage that needs addressing.  I don't think it is healthy at all and wish peace on those that are doing it. I also wish they would stop and not for my benefit.  With knowledge comes responsibility, and the responsible thing to do is educate others on this topic , not repulse them.

The real battleground for people who want to do something constructive is in the current programs and the recently closed programs, and unless you are a very special person, this really isn't our battle.  We do howver play a very  critical role in understanding just what exactly is going on, and To that end our collective experiences are very important.  We were the first victims of this system, the first synanon type program (en mass) designed for children.  As such, we have an important story to tell and a responsibility to tell it in a way that doesn't sound like sour grapes. By doing the right things, we can and have discredited these programs to the point of them shutting down , instead of just discrediting ourselves. By doing the wrong things we can make things worse for the people who are in a position of recovery against a current or recent program.

If we are to tell an important story and pass the torch to people who really have a battle to fight, we need credibility.  That is lacking currently.  I could care less who these people are who are trolling the forum, whether they sing good or look goofy on youtube or really are lawyers , writing, or whatever.  That is not my concern.  My concern is and was the message and inspiration this forum provided for people who were involved with the seed  and provides for many of the people carrying the torch forward.  As it stands no one could take this forum seriously anymore.  I don't care who likes or dislikes "Gregfl" or who wishes me or my family harm.  These are nameless people on the internet and I fear none.  I do care for what happened to our forum but am powerless to fix it.  For that I am sorry.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Ursus on July 29, 2009, 02:38:54 PM
Quote from: "GregFL"
We were the first victims of this system

You might want to do a little more research before making that statement.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: GregFL on July 29, 2009, 02:41:04 PM
Quote from: "Ursus"
Quote from: "GregFL"
We were the first victims of this system

You might want to do a little more research before making that statement.


I know about Cebu Ursus, but I am talking about this particular system that led to the straight et al. Sorry I wasn't more clear. Maybe for once you could try to process a message without trying to pick it apart, Mkay?
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Ursus on July 29, 2009, 03:10:08 PM
Quote from: "GregFL"
Quote from: "Ursus"
Quote from: "GregFL"
We were the first victims of this system
You might want to do a little more research before making that statement.
I know about Cebu Ursus, but I am talking about this particular system that led to the straight et al. Sorry I wasn't more clear. Maybe for once you could try to process a message without trying to pick it apart, Mkay?

The system is based on group peer pressure effected by a therapeutic community modality. It was used on adolescents in New Jersey as early as the mid-late 1950s, before Synanon even. Experimental results gleaned from the Highlands(?) reformatory were published by Lloyd McCorkle in 1958. He called the method "Guided Group Interaction."

It was a direct outgrowth from McCorkle's TC experiences during World War II, when the therapeutic community model was specifically used by both the Americans and the British to ensure unit loyalty and solidarity, not to mention keeping the soldiers psyched for war.

A war, I might add, that Art Barker participated in. I'm kinda wondering just what the TC welcoming committee subjected him to, after he came back from going AWOL for awhile. Think it might have been a little like what you experienced at the Seed? Hmm?

My bad, maybe they didn't do the belt-looping or the toilet voyeurism back then. Art has to get credit for something, huh? On the other hand, maybe they did. Soldiers who went AWOL were considered total pariahs at the time.

What's the criteria for you? Only an exact replica of The Seed will do?

Yeah, when was CEDU? 1970 or 71? Do ya think they don't use a TC approach? Ah... shucks, I almost forGOT! Hyde School, founded 1966. Or do you discount any place that has "prep" or "academy" in the description?

I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying there is considerable evidence out there showing that stuff of this ilk has been going on for quite some time.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Cyndeelouwho on July 29, 2009, 03:29:39 PM
Interesting point to bring up regarding history and how early onset rage may have been the catalyst for the outline of  the treatment model used to formulate what would become the seed rules and program guidelines.

If a petty criminal  from the streets of the New York ; who goes AWOL and is exposed to reading some early psycology studies and attends AA to "get sober"can come to Florida and get paid to create a program for drug addicts, with no education, training or expertise;  it is a scary world.

Regardless of his good intentions, it had dangerous implications when the harvesting of children from public schools became the norm.

That was ego and greed, disguised as helping children get better.

I have not found any information about synanon going into public venues to recruit.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 29, 2009, 04:05:13 PM
Greg again get over self, I'm sure I  was put in there way before you, so you are not the original soul in that place, so my story from day one will be told one day, and trust me, I will leave no names out, nor will I give a shit if someone likes the way I post it, so try again, Antigen, is still a lot nicer and loved more then you any day of the year. It is people  like you  who think that each soul is the same, I am way different then anyone, I saw things that should not have been kept quiet, and  see I did go on with my life, and a grand one it be, but because you seem to think that  a street walking junkie at 18, on probation and court ordered  was a child, and now because she is old  that all should shut up, NO, I will never shut up again. I will be heard louder then you ever tried to be heard. I do not care how your way goes, my way, is not going to be a silent way. Not any more, this is helping me, I kept closed up  for so long, and I feel great letting this crap be known, because that is what it is crap, and if your  pals that you made over the years from the forum do not like what I have to say, do not read it then, and stop making stupid comments back to all, maybe then you will see all become calmer, seems you allowed yourself to purge, well I have not even begun yet, so either this  one day ends up in court as it should be, won't matter either way, point is it should, and it very well may, I go to the court house sometime next week to find out info  on how to open this as a case, I do not care what schooling I have, souls are still suffering, I for one do want it to stop, seeing people raped and  abused as I did sucks to have had to keep this shit in, they are criminals, and  how I pray they get stood up in court, if not,then  this is my court room, and I will get this story of mine out, just not today, because you make me laugh so bad, and I do have this nice new furniture to deal with, I think you need to start listening whether you agree or not,( did you hear what I said, I said listen, I have noticed it is something you never do) there are people that are sick and tired of hearing how this Libby person, now wants all to think she was a victim, that's the biggest joke I have ever heard in my life, so stuff it, no way will I shut up, but also when all stop acting like idiots maybe I can get my story out, maybe then you may want to listen rather then mock someone for not having any school, its because of places like that, that are making children not get the proper education, I for one am an example of what happened, sad yea but that's what I am, and I do not want any child not to get the schooling they so deserve. Nor do I wish this to ever happen to anyone, let the people purge and say their side, if it is helping me, then it is helping someone else. Let others say what's on their minds, maybe talking rather then arguing yourself may indeed help, as from what I have read in all your post, you really are crying for nothing at all. You think it is so horrible what is being said, try experiencing it, because you have no clue why I ran from that place. ( anyone who was a staff member there is the most fucked up person s on this planet, and every last one of you should have to listen to what you did do to others.( the mushroom icon would be nice) who do I talk to to help with payments here?
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 29, 2009, 04:10:39 PM
Aww, she forgot to add the smilies. She's slippin', our Crazy Susan is slippin'.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 29, 2009, 04:20:36 PM
You know you had me until you said Antigen was a nice person.  Have you ever read her posts?  Sorry she's a evil witch actually she would fit in well with your family.  Is Stack available?  Susan she could help you with your coloring books.  Then it would be 3 sisters...One big happy family.   and more clothes for Stack to borrow...
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 29, 2009, 04:29:46 PM
I never met her nor do I know her, I do that to get the real Greg out, now go color your madness with someone else looks like we got you  by the coloring book. :rofl:  :roflmao:  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 29, 2009, 04:39:15 PM
Someone else already said it on one of these threads, and I have to agree. I think it was guest666.

It's amazing how paranoid Crazy Susan is. Whenever someone disagrees with her, she spouts off with all this craziness. First she thought it was Libby, then Libby's husband, now it's GRegFL. Oh, and maybe that guy Ericbeer. I'm too lazy to go look it up, but she probably thought he's Libby/husband/Greg. And then Sally.

Sheesh.

Wonder who's next...?
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 29, 2009, 04:58:00 PM
Susan,

Why don't you tell us your story?
Tell us about who did what, said what and when it all happened;  
This would probably be helpful for you.
then you wouldn't need to feel persecuted - you are safe here.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 29, 2009, 05:38:55 PM
Because I may just go to the news papers  instead. Think it best to have someone educated enough to listen to me first. This place is a good way for me to see how all react. And react you do, so imagine  this all in the papers rather then in just some silly forum, The libbys and the sallys , and the bald headed gregs, and beardedbeer  idjits who come in as guests and expect me to guess their names, do they really think I would give my story to a forum first, no this is just a  small experiment,now imagine again this out in the open, instead of a small forum. Imagine every sleepy soul in the world  waking up to the front page, because I personally think it would make front page, ( I will pay to have it front page) names coming out of the woodwork, who cares if they are dead even, see that to me would be JUSTICE, and maybe some mother, father would not put their child in such a horrible situation, but they are not to blame, no, they too were lied to, I bet this helps many families come back together too, like  I was lucky to have  had finally happen , that to me would be cool, and if I act 15 , don't be jealous, I have a grandson, and he so keeps me like that, to me just getting the truth out, well that's  more then I ever wanted. Oh, and to find out what they really did to Mida Garcia, I too have letters from this girl who ran away from that place Lord knows how many times, and then one day never to b seen again, yea like I said I have a story, seems we all forget about the souls that were never found, well I never did.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 29, 2009, 05:41:49 PM
We should have a smilie that yawns.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: GregFL on July 29, 2009, 11:15:05 PM
Thanks for the history lesson Ursus, but your diabribe missed the mark and ignored the message of my post.  That was in part, we were the first victims of the synanon system used en masse against children. We were the first warehoused kids, held sometimes by a thousand or more in abandoned warehouses. Art Barker got the techniques from AA and then the synanon techniques were layered on top.  there is still a bit of mystery surrounding how that came about, but I have my theories.

We have a rightfull place in the history of this story.  While the synanon style academies predated our experience and had similarities, it was Art Barker that changed the direction and tone of the experience.  We also have a responsibility to the current victims of descendent programs to act and operate in a credible manner, IMO. Your opinion may vary.  I suspect it does.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2009, 06:57:34 AM
guest567 wrote:
Nice, Stripe. Very well written.

Are you still working with him on the "Class Action Lawsuit?" I'm being sincere and you can tell me to MYOB, but I am curious.



I am curious too Stripe. Are you involving yourself with these people and is this guy really a bar member?

I am also curious - this started off so hopefully, but seems to have degenerated into name calling and has lost focus on the greater good.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2009, 07:39:41 AM
I still have that car  to put up on auction, how do I get in contact with you stripe?
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2009, 07:51:23 AM
Susan I think you've watched too many movies on Lifetime channel.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2009, 08:21:28 AM
^ Now that's funny! :notworthy:
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2009, 08:23:13 AM
Not to mention I'm pretty sure Stripe isn't an auctioneer.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2009, 09:03:12 AM
Quote from: "GregFL"
Thanks for the history lesson Ursus, but your diabribe missed the mark and ignored the message of my post.  That was in part, we were the first victims of the synanon system used en masse against children. We were the first warehoused kids, held sometimes by a thousand or more in abandoned warehouses. Art Barker got the techniques from AA and then the synanon techniques were layered on top.  there is still a bit of mystery surrounding how that came about, but I have my theories.

We have a rightfull place in the history of this story.  While the synanon style academies predated our experience and had similarities, it was Art Barker that changed the direction and tone of the experience.  We also have a responsibility to the current victims of descendent programs to act and operate in a credible manner, IMO. Your opinion may vary.  I suspect it does.
Before I start off, you spelled descendant wrong----------lol,........ and,   are you  saying diatribe, because that is incorrect as well, see where you typed (diabribe) oh and rightfull is one L    (sometimes one learns more without school)          Greg you were only there because of  art barker, he did not change shit, except to cover up what was obviously something gone a muck ( I removed  saying you idiot), I am trying to focus on what could be the next step, rather then keep hearing how this perverted soul changed anything, , he helped only himself, not you, not one soul did that bastard help, only thing he could have changed was a pack of cigarettes when he ran out, if that stupid fool left children alone,( and took in the legal so called kids, the court ordered ones), it still would not have been right the way things were, he abused beyond control is all that happened, who cares when anyone was there, I for one just know I was there against my will, and know everything he did to get to where he was at,( children were murdered Greg and all you followers of Art Barker) anything he did was to  benefit him, What ever happens to him or the followers of such a cult will only continue on, should be stopped not allowed to continue in any way, I will say it over and over, and I am not arguing,  that place never should have been opened, I am happy it is closed, but I know  there are places opened up all over like them, yes some worse, for what, for profit is all, no one should be allowed to make any profit off of kids. So now how do we stop any more from opening, it all has to be  taken to court, so laws change to protect kids now, stories have to be told from way back when it started, to show the chain keeps going on, I just want to hear about the legal shit now, on what could be done, the fighting shit is  like that experiment, it is getting  so out of control that all seem to focus still on them, rather then what now can indeed be done. I think for one, someone with knowledge to write a book, a true honest book, sworn in statements from  people that are not afraid to tell their stories, That is what I would like to see done, not in that manner but all should understand what I am trying to say, I am one willing to meet with anyone at all, including the idiots that harmed me, for one it will help me, but maybe it will help the thousands you talk about in those warehouses, warhouse for goodness sakes,( and  I mean  WARHOUSES because that is all they are is WARHOUSES) blimp hangers, old moldy buildings, it all need stop, I hear kids screaming still in my head at night  sometimes when I sleep, and I am sure there are some that still do as well, I guess when someone  keeps something so much inside for so many years then you find this forum, you just want to  scream too, one thing for sure, since all make fun of education, I sure shit will make sure someone  with an education writes my story for me so all do understand it, I for one am sick and tired of the nit picking crap all for a sake of attention, what happened to working together , anyone want to try that,its okay not to like what all have to say, thing is all should be allowed to say  what they want. Set aside the you part and think of all, all could change laws, they are changed daily, nothing like a good change for a change. P.S. Greg I did the spell check to show you that no matter how much school you have you can never learn enough on own.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2009, 09:11:23 AM
Oh, Susan, I am so proud of you! Truly, it warms my heart to see you trying to learn.  Yes, Spell Check can be your friend.

Now, please dear, try to put periods after sentences. We'll move on to other forms of punctuation later. For now, let's focus on sentences.

Sigh. An editor's work is never done.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2009, 09:31:50 AM
wow now this looney jones girl is confusing greg with being an art barker follower and she also dares to spell check what other people write.  she also thinks she can sue art barker for things that happened 40 years ago hasn't she heard of a statue of limitation wow  Is she so dense that she doesn't understand heresay evidence and that  meeting any burden of proof would be next to impossible if by some miracle she could jump the sol?  What a strange family these people are if it really isn't just one person pretending to be a bunch of different people.  i stil think they are trying to disrupt the forum and nothing more.  Sad.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2009, 09:54:45 AM
This Jones girl,  just got to someone again, good work jones girl.  Keep posting they look as dumb as they type anyways, Greg or not, ahahahahahhaha :roflmao:  :rasta:
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2009, 10:30:02 AM
Quote from: "SusanStoned"
Before I start off, you spelled descendant wrong----------lol,........ and.


LOL for real.


de·scen·dant    (d-sndnt) KEY  

NOUN:

A person, animal, or plant whose descent can be traced to a particular individual or group.
Something derived from a prototype or earlier form: Today's bicycles are descendants of the earlier velocipede.
In astrology, the point of the ecliptic or the sign of the zodiac that sets in the west at the time of a person's birth or other event.
ADJECTIVE:

Variant of descendent.

LOL at SusanStoned trying to correct other people's writing skills.



   :-  :ftard:  :-  :ftard:  :-  :ftard:  :rofl:  :dose:  :rasta:  :moon:  
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2009, 10:36:26 AM
Oh now it is about bikes and skill, gotcha, if it was not misspelled it was miss used then. Either way  he is still a lame idiot that sits behind a computer rather then meet in person. Called a pussy is all. I do not think that this girl really cares what you all post, least she is  as you all keep saying trying, and that is all anyone should do is try to get those other souls out of those places, and I hate to say this but laws do change, now go type some other bullshit.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2009, 10:41:57 AM
Descendent is the proper word to use in that sentence. You Stones are really stupid.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2009, 10:47:59 AM
dant not dent
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2009, 10:51:14 AM
Stack also misspelled misuse when he said descendent was misused.


Too bad this family of jackals didn't spend less time whining and bitch crying  and more time studying. At least he gets   Extra points for acting tough from another continent.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2009, 11:34:15 AM
Quote from: "guest90210"
Stack also misspelled misuse when he said descendent was misused.


Too bad this family of jackals didn't spend less time whining and bitch crying  and more time studying. At least he gets   Extra points for acting tough from another continent.
    You seem to know a lot about bitch slapping, lol :roflmao:.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Ursus on July 30, 2009, 12:09:21 PM
Quote from: "CindyK"
she also thinks she can sue art barker for things that happened 40 years ago hasn't she heard of a statue of limitation wow Is she so dense that she doesn't understand heresay evidence and that meeting any burden of proof would be next to impossible if by some miracle she could jump the sol?

Does it really matter?

There are more ways to "win" from filing a lawsuit than the subsequent mere ruling alone.

I, for one, am very interested in seeing how this plays out.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2009, 01:00:14 PM
You would be you arrogant tool. :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:  :soapbox:
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2009, 01:07:11 PM
Quote from: "::nouvellefille"
Quote from: "guest90210"
    You seem to know a lot about bitch slapping,



Yes we do, don't we baby.   I slap, you cry. your bottom Im top.   So it is so it will be.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2009, 01:46:28 PM
Quote
I, for one, am very interested in seeing how this plays out.—•?|•?•0•?•|?•— —•?|•?•0•?•|?•— —•?|•?•0•?•|?•—

Hey, lol@ursus--

She's even using one of Susan's favorite expressions: "I, for one..." And instead of smilies, she has that oh so pretty sig line. What a joke
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2009, 01:59:28 PM
Ursus' sig line in Japanese means "I am a pretentious tool that wishes I was Ginger, so I have lifted all of my opinions from her posts. Aren't I special?"
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2009, 02:07:47 PM
Quote from: "Lol@Ursus"
Ursus' sig line in Japanese means "I am a pretentious tool that wishes I was Ginger, so I have lifted all of my opinions from her posts. Aren't I special?"

You're funny! Very creative. You could teach Jack a thing or two about being creative.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2009, 02:19:27 PM
Jack could never match wits with me. For one, he can't spell. For another,  he knows nothing about sentence structure.  But the real problem is his crazy mind doesn't allow him to keep on subject for long enough to make any valid point, and he goes rambling off about fox news, south florida, how great he (thinks) he is, and other unrelated nonsense. By the end of his post you forgot what he was talking about and just shake your head in amazement that he isn't institutionalized in some japanese insane asylum. However,  the best thing of all is his physical threats coupled with the image of him on youtube. Lets see, a sunken chest, pencil armed, protruding stomach, feminine posture, goofy dyed with a 70s gayboy hairdo, lip synching and pretending to play guitar on the internet is supposed to be scary.  

What a formula to incite fear on the internet!


 :roflmao:   :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:




Thanks for coming here JackedStone. You complete me.


 :seg:  :seg:  :seg:
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2009, 03:23:14 PM
wow, you really are jealous of this Stack person, aren't you??? what does this have to do with helping to put a stop to places such as the seed???? Are you the guy following and posting the nasty things on those videos??
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2009, 05:51:25 PM
Oh, this is a riot. First she's suspicious of us posing as Libby, then Libby's husband, and on and on ad nauseum. Now, it's the posters criticizing the Stack Jones video. You know--the one that cost him $10,000.

Hopefully, they'll all be too busy whooping it up at their family reunion this weekend to come around here. I wonder if Mama Stone will survive having all of her rugrats together again? Hope they made reservations for their fun Sunday brunch at the Rusty Pelican.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2009, 07:03:41 PM
Yo do not need reservations, and anyone is welcome to join, even the trolls I so would love to meet all the troll's.  :bump:  :flip:  :rose:
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on July 31, 2009, 06:32:09 AM
dsf
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on August 12, 2009, 06:43:37 AM
ts time for some real action. if it is at all possible to do anything.

seems we are all talkers, and that guy wdtony is walking the walk, not just talking the talk.

geez - kids are dying and we are fighting with each other like assholes.

really, i am done with that shit.

so, antigen, and psy, you guys 'n' dolls are really cool.

time to move on.stack jones
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on August 17, 2009, 03:50:52 PM
sdf
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on August 20, 2009, 06:39:15 AM
It seems we can't take stacks word on anything - he/she/it is still here - following thru
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on August 20, 2009, 10:15:15 AM
kids are dying and we are fighting with each other like assholes.

really, i am done with that shit.

so, antigen, and psy, you guys 'n' dolls are really cool.

time to move on.stack jones[/quote]

Really?
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on August 20, 2009, 11:37:59 AM
Quote from: "."
kids are dying and we are fighting with each other like assholes.

really, i am done with that shit.

so, antigen, and psy, you guys 'n' dolls are really cool.

time to move on.stack jones

Quote from: "Guest"
Really?
No, not really. On top of his compulsive need for attention, he tells lies. He’s a defective.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on October 12, 2009, 12:56:04 PM
what ever happened to this?
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on October 12, 2009, 02:25:49 PM
How the hell can you sue something that doesn't even exist anymore? There aren't even any records of us being there.
This is a complete waste of time and energy. You might as well file suit against SATAN.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on October 14, 2009, 06:46:58 PM
none-ya obviously never heard the term tracing and how it applies to funds and assets.

i know - next your spout and shout about statute of limitations.

again. tracing. barfer is still investing in these programs. therefore, all this matter remains retro, and NOT defeated by time restraints.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on October 14, 2009, 07:50:54 PM
I wasn't thinking about the statute of limitations, but of a real paper trail.
Everything was hardcopy back then.
I doubt any of our personal records were ever transfered to computer files.
Did anybody upon graduation recieve a certificate of completion?
I wouldn't know. I never graduated. How does one even prove he was in the seed?
I was sent there by family court 36 years ago.

Also I am to this site, and I would like to issue blanket apology for all my future typos, misspellings.
and bad grammer. As I am one of the worlds worst typists.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on October 15, 2009, 10:05:00 AM
none-ya. we all make typos. its the thought that really counts.

as for records. corporations are required to keep records - even if they close the business. there are legal ways to shut down a corp. if it was not done according to the rules where the corp. was formed, then the corp. veil could be pierced.

the burden to show records is NOT on the P, but on the D. that is all part of discovery.

if you are serious about wanting your records - barkers and libbies home addresses and contact info. are on the seeds front page. you can see many people MAKE SURE they remain on the front page. heck we even have pix of their homes!! their addresses, their phones and when they take a shit!! ask JOM -- really - NO SHIT!

your "seed" records are medical records. they are part of your life's record and are not legally allowed to be destroyed under federal and state law.

if barfer destroyed these records. he'd go to jail. and hopefully, bubba his jail cell mate was once a seedling incarcerated by the courts!!!

so, go to libbies home, ask for your seed records. if she fails to produce them. go to court. file and injunction, serve her notice stating you demand your records. if they don't have those records, they will need to show cause. and there stands no legitimate reason those records would not be handed over to you.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on October 15, 2009, 12:12:42 PM
So what is the status of the class action suit?
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on October 22, 2009, 09:15:51 AM
All of the advocates of a class action suit want this to fall off the page, because they really do not intend to do anything except post excuses for inaction and exhortations for others to do more -

Some posters were selling collectible autos and real estate to support he cause
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on October 22, 2009, 01:55:56 PM
Quote from: "none-ya"
So what is the status of the class action suit?
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on October 22, 2009, 02:02:36 PM
Quote from: "Johnny G"
Truth is, the seed, inc no longer exists; the staff, art barker, lybbie, etc. are not individually responsible for anything, only the corporation is/was responsible;  Any funds the program had accumulated have been stashed in various legal entities well beyond the reach of dissatisfied clients.

NAme calling is about all that is left.

If you were a minor, you were put there by your parents - as a minor you did not need to be informed or consulted about anything; your consent was not required.  Minors have no rights;
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on October 22, 2009, 02:05:08 PM
Quote from: "guest33"
We should have a smilie that yawns.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on November 02, 2009, 07:49:25 AM
Thought Stack was going to make this happen;
I guess he is just an impotent troll
yawn
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on November 02, 2009, 09:56:53 AM
This is complete BULLSHIT!

A pipe dream!

Aint gonna' happen!

No way!

Just more empty blustering!

The easter bunny,

the tooth fairy,

and the class action suit!!!!!
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on November 11, 2009, 09:14:43 AM
Count me in on the class action suit against the Seed.  I was there when it was on Andrews Ave and also when they moved to SR 84.  Horrible experiance.  Does anyone remember the "Moral Inventories"  we had to write?  Just another way to self abuse ourselves after 12 hours of continious abuse. Rehab my azz!
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on November 11, 2009, 11:06:49 AM
Dear Blondie,
You might as well try to sue the widow of the unknown soldier!
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on November 22, 2009, 06:50:22 AM
^^  :notworthy:

Man, what a loser this Stack is. Someone else wrote it was all for free PR. That makes sense more and more.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on December 29, 2009, 07:50:52 AM
remeber this?
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Anonymous on December 29, 2009, 09:30:26 AM
no dicks to suck? no one to shit on your face?

no herpes wounds of another's to lick?

posting.php?mode=reply&f=8&t=27723# (http://fornits.com/wwf/posting.php?mode=reply&f=8&t=27723#)

keep the link handy.

its your only friend.
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: I'll kick your arse on April 20, 2012, 02:19:03 PM
Eboring

Time for my ebeer

 :shamrock:  :nods:  :shamrock:  :nods:  :shamrock:  :nods:   :poison:  :nods:  :shamrock:  :nods:  :shamrock:  :nods:  :shamrock:
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: Horatio. on April 20, 2012, 03:20:20 PM
Quote from: "none-ya"
I wasn't thinking about the statute of limitations, but of a real paper trail.
Everything was hardcopy back then.
I doubt any of our personal records were ever transfered to computer files.
Did anybody upon graduation recieve a certificate of completion?
I wouldn't know. I never graduated. How does one even prove he was in the seed?
I was sent there by family court 36 years ago.

Also I am to this site, and I would like to issue blanket apology for all my future typos, misspellings.
and bad grammer. As I am one of the worlds worst typists.
You have a lot more than that to apologize (answer) for.

And, it's Grammar, stupid
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: none-ya on April 20, 2012, 04:18:27 PM
Shut up Wayne!
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: DannyB.II on April 20, 2012, 05:14:38 PM
Quote from: "none-ya"
Shut up Wayne!
Actually, it's "Shut up, Wayne!"

Did you go to school at all, or were you such a stinking juvenile delinquent that you spent all your time in programs?

(other than the Seed, which you never went to)
Title: Re: Class Action Filing
Post by: I'll kick your arse on April 20, 2012, 09:09:30 PM
Ebeer for all and all for ebeer
 :cheers: