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Title: sayings in the seed and what they really meant.
Post by: GregFL on October 21, 2004, 03:07:00 PM
The seed developed and assigned its own meaning to phrases. I can't remember them all, but Lets see if we can list them.

1) Getting into your head.

This meant stop thinking. If anyone was sitting silently not paying attention, or thinking to themselves or staring off, they were "getting into their head" and this must stop immediately.


2) get your head out of the gutter.
this meant stop having sexual thoughts.

3) I love you.
Used as a simple greeting by all seedlings and in group to salute those done speaking.

4) "You know" and "its like" and "I don't know".


These had no special meaning but were before during and after almost every sentence, at least in the early 70s. Any  linquist forced to listen to this butchery of the english language  would have gotten nauseus.

example;

  "I don't know, you know its like I feel strong, you know. Its like everything has changed.  I don't know, its like ive gotten so strong these past three months. Its like I am a new person, You know. Before I came here, I dont know, it was like I was lost. Now I have so many friends, and its like my olddruggie friends, I don't know, they don't understand and you know, its funny because Its like  am stronger and better than they will ever be.  I don't know, Its like I feel so happy, you know. Since I came to The Seed its like a whole new world, you know. I don't know, but  love you guys.


anyone else remember the phraseology?
Title: sayings in the seed and what they really meant.
Post by: cleveland on October 21, 2004, 03:50:00 PM
Perfect, Greg.

How about, "I can relate to what (insert name) said..."

This is a way to hook on to someone's statement, indicating approval OR as a way to subtly rework something said the needed to be improved upon, for instance, a Newcomer says "I'm starting to like it here, I mean people are great, but I'm still kind of lonely, I guess" (whoops). So here's the response - "I can relate to what John said. When I was a newcomer, I was lonely too, an first. And then I realized I had the best friends in the world right here, forever."

"Shit-eating grin" - indicates mindless happiness and the first indication that the "Three Day Miracle" is beginning. "I wasn't really happy at first, and then one day, I'm sitting there on the front row with this big shit-eating grin."

"That's some fucked-up shit." Self-explanitory, but usually used to indicate strong disapproval of something a newcomer did because they haven't gotten with the program yet or an oldcomer who is off track.


"The person I used to be..." was ALWAYS bad. If you screwed up and said, "You know, some of my friends were kinda OK... (long look from staff member leading the Rap) " - I mean, they were fucked up druggies and all...but" (the speaker looks around wildly, realizing that they are surrounded by disapproving stares) "well, I guess I mean I THOUGHT some of them were OK until I realized how fucked up it was that we were hanging out and stuff. OK, I love you" (as in, oh shit, gotta go - sit down fast and look at hands, waiting for the staff member or someone else to "relate" to you.

OK there's a lot more. But what's interesting to me is how much of it was non-verbal - a disapproving look, a raised eyebrow, a pregnant pause in a conversation. Like real life, only more so, cause everything was "so crucial" (another phrase which meant - too much, fucked up, don't worry about it)

And don't be such a "banana head" (nervous, socially inept loser, usually a newcomer whose moved on a bit and now wants to be accepted).

Oh, and don't be "into acceptance," like, I was so into acceptance with my old druggie friends (and now I'm just dying to have every Seed person totally 100% like me, but that's OK 'cause I'm still kind of a bananahead, I guess).

Oh shit, gotta go. Love ya!


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Title: sayings in the seed and what they really meant.
Post by: Anonymous on October 21, 2004, 04:03:00 PM
ha!  That reminds me of a story I was telling someone on the phone yesterday.

In the seed you were never allowed to have any good experience before you came in. The world was divided in Before Seed = Bad, after Seed = Good. There was no deviation from this.

One Day John U. Came into group to start a rap and abrubtly said "who remembers some good times from the streets" Very wisely Virtually no one raised their hand except poor some unexpecting schmell from the second row who was immediately called on and started relaying a story about having a good time at a rock concert with some buddies.  As he was telling this he slowly spun around to tell the group behind him only to witness to his horror virtually ever hand flailing wildy. The look on his face was classic deer in the headlights and he was savagely ripped apart for daring to imply he may have had a good time before the seed.


Okay end of story more terminology.

Chicks=girls
guys-boys

Relate-talk in an honest fashion
relate to-share experience
aware-a biproduct of being "totally honest" which allows you (supposedly) to read other people with extreme clarity. A gift and special byproduct of being a seedling...awareness.
Title: sayings in the seed and what they really meant.
Post by: cleveland on October 21, 2004, 04:19:00 PM
"The gift of awareness" (I think kind of like being "clear" in dianetics)

and

"The gift of INSTANT awareness" (for Art alone, akin to mind-reading).[ This Message was edited by: cleveland on 2004-10-21 13:21 ]

Oooh, and another one - Camelot. We were supposed to be in Camelot!

"A law was made a distant moon ago here,
July and August cannot be too hot,
And there's a legal limit to the snow here, in Camelot!"

Nobody ever said that but we sung it and it was clear who King Arthur was![ This Message was edited by: cleveland on 2004-10-21 13:27 ][ This Message was edited by: cleveland on 2004-10-21 13:27 ]
Title: sayings in the seed and what they really meant.
Post by: GregFL on October 21, 2004, 04:40:00 PM
I guess Art's gift of "instant awareness" is what lead Robert Chun to say to a reporter last year "he even knows what I am thinking right now" while they were driving in a car and he was talking of Art.


My gosh, anyone still think this wasn't a cult?




How about

"when I was on the streets"

Really just meant before the seed as very very few seed kids were ever on the streets in the true sense of the saying.

"superseeding"

anyone trying to hard or over-enthusiastic.
Title: sayings in the seed and what they really meant.
Post by: Scout on October 22, 2004, 12:57:00 AM
Ok, does anyone remember in the later years when we used to say "On my honor as a Seed Kid"?  We usually used this saying when playing a practical joke on someone and if that person said "on your honor as a seed kid?"  you had to absolutely answer honestly because your honor as a seed kid was at stake.  It meant more than saying "on my mother's grave".  I remember when Art first heard us say it, he was very flattered.  This was one cliche that he did not make up, we did.

It's a little embarrassing, isn't it??
Title: sayings in the seed and what they really meant.
Post by: Anonymous on October 22, 2004, 08:09:00 AM
Growing up I remember hearing "shit eatin grin" always meant kinda guilty like "the cat that swallowed the canary" but in a cleverish way not to denote a bad deed.  It also was used when one was trying to appear innocent but was caught and you would just kinda smile because you really new you wern't so innocent.  :idea:
Title: sayings in the seed and what they really meant.
Post by: Anonymous on October 22, 2004, 08:11:00 AM
Scout what city do you live in ? How old are you I'm trying to figure out if I know you? :???:
Title: sayings in the seed and what they really meant.
Post by: GregFL on October 22, 2004, 09:23:00 AM
playing games.

as in..."stop playing games" or "you are very gamey".

Crap, this one could be used just to discredit just about anything anyone said. It really had kind of a floating definition.
Title: sayings in the seed and what they really meant.
Post by: Antigen on October 22, 2004, 10:06:00 AM
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On 2004-10-21 13:03:00, Anonymous wrote:

aware-a biproduct of being "totally honest" which allows you (supposedly) to read other people with extreme clarity. A gift and special byproduct of being a seedling...awareness


I came so close so many times to what would surely have been a tragic outburst of laughter over use of the word 'awareness' under the Program definition.

"WHERE'S YOUR AWARENESS, UP YOUR ASS!?!?!?!?" Why no, actually, I wasn't thinking at all about the inside of my colon. Were you?

The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.
--William Safire



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Title: sayings in the seed and what they really meant.
Post by: cleveland on October 22, 2004, 11:20:00 AM
How about "crabs in a bucket" story? So, one crab is trying to escape the bucket, and the other crabs pull 'em in.  A metaphor for our 'old druggie friends,' of course, but also for the Seed itself, I think. It was a hard place to leave.

What about, "Every Day We're Straight, It's Like Christmas!" usually shouted at the top of your lungs in front of the group on the day of your anniversary. I hated this one, because my anniversary always made me feel sad, and it didn't feel at all like Christmas - except maybe for singing all kinds of Holiday songs, which I enjoyed. We even wore Seed t-shirts and sang to shoppers on Las Olas Boulevard one year!

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Title: sayings in the seed and what they really meant.
Post by: GregFL on October 22, 2004, 07:38:00 PM
Antigen reminded me of

"get your head out of your ass"  


which really meant fall in line with what was expected of you, behave like a seedling.
Title: sayings in the seed and what they really meant.
Post by: GregFL on October 22, 2004, 07:41:00 PM
"being gratefull"

Anytime you questioned anything at all, behaved like perhaps there was a world outside the seed, you weren't "being Gratefull".
Title: sayings in the seed and what they really meant.
Post by: cleveland on October 23, 2004, 01:12:00 PM
"Don't get your head out of whack" - don't think you're too smart, funny or whatever. Not to be egotistical. But it also meant not thinking you were wmarter than the Seed collectively, staff members or especially, Art.
Title: sayings in the seed and what they really meant.
Post by: GregFL on October 23, 2004, 02:31:00 PM
Think, Think, think.


Really meant Dont think independently or don't think outside the box. process every thought and emotion thru the filter of the program or the expectations of a seedling.











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Title: sayings in the seed and what they really meant.
Post by: Somejoker on October 27, 2004, 12:41:00 AM
"feel motivated"

to be excited by some element of the seed as in "that love rap really motivated me"

"Motivate"

To wave your arm frantically back and forth in an exaggerated fashion in hopes of being called on.
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Post by: godspeed! on October 29, 2004, 03:11:00 PM
very insightful.
Title: sayings in the seed and what they really meant.
Post by: kpickle39 on October 30, 2004, 11:34:00 AM
Wow - I was in straight and about 90% of those sayings and meanings made their way to straight.  What a blast from the past!!    :eek:
Title: sayings in the seed and what they really meant.
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2004, 12:21:00 PM
i remember singing that year on Las Olas- mitch was behind me and cookie, It is strange but that was probably the closest any of the chicks were allowed to be near the guys, we also sang at the broward mall, the same year. we practiced for HOURS on end-
Do you remember the year all of the girls learned the dance to thriller.?
I have a horrible singing voice so I hated when I would be picked to start 'Jingle Bells' after the weekend meeting- which we stopped having and started going to Dania Beach instead for Football.
'Being full of yourself' = having an original or independent idea.
It is interesting it seems those who were in the program earlier and stayed for less time have a very different prospect than those of us in the 80's who spent several years in the group. the group was much smaller and the scrutiny/ control was very intense. the fact that we all lived /worked/ spent every minute together was overwhelming. the only time I was in our house alone was the day I fled, and i was running frantic from one end of the house to the other- I left most my belongings as I felt panicked to get away-

SORRY I WENT OF TOPIC- one door leads to another.
Title: sayings in the seed and what they really meant.
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2004, 01:07:00 PM
didn't a girl named Leeann teach the girls the thriller dance?
Title: sayings in the seed and what they really meant.
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2004, 02:58:00 PM
yes she did - she was into art/drama and the house she lived in actually had a stage of sorts....
Title: sayings in the seed and what they really meant.
Post by: cleveland on November 02, 2004, 11:53:00 AM
"Everything Happens for a Reason"

"It was meant to be."

"It was destiny that brought me to the Seed."

Ohh, these are tough. I don't like them, and I see them in other religions and New Age beliefs.
However, they are tricky. Here's my thinking:

1. It's good to believe the 'everything happens for a reason,' because it's easy to get depressed and think life is meaningless. However, if you think you KNOW the reason, you get in trouble. You can think, "I have to marry this person, we're both Aries, and we have the same birthday, and we both like cake - it's meant to be!" I've gotten in trouble myself with 'magical thinking' like this (marriage number one, for instance)!

2. Destiny - yes maybe, and karma too, but if I start believing that I have the 'gift of instant awareness' or that others do - look out! And don't drink the Kool-Aid!

3. Almost all religions have some of this mystic mumbo jumbo, and sometimes I even feel 'the spirit'. But I remind myself, if there is a God (and I hope there is), how could I presume to know what the plan is? Instead of believing in 'destiny' I will try to be as aware as possible, make the best decisions, and be a rational human being!

Thanks, end of soapbox...

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Title: sayings in the seed and what they really meant.
Post by: Anonymous on November 02, 2004, 04:55:00 PM
Wally- you are the best :roll:
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Post by: I'll kick your arse on May 01, 2012, 07:20:14 PM
:blabla:
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Post by: relgycandy on January 14, 2013, 01:36:29 AM
I was in straight and about 90% of those sayings and meanings made their way to straight.
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Post by: lonewolf on February 23, 2013, 07:49:12 PM
Ha ha , I can relate to some of this shit....I got my head out of my ass and I can see clearly now the clouds are gone....lol
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Post by: Bud Greenberg on March 24, 2013, 03:17:51 PM
Why don't you just blame the tsunami on Stack.
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Post by: Che Gookin on May 17, 2013, 10:28:35 PM
Does anyone remember the congressional hearings about SEED funding and how did that affect day to day operations at SEED towards the end of the SEED reign of terror?
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Post by: none-ya on May 17, 2013, 10:35:50 PM
It couldn't have effected much of the day to day things. Everything was donated. The building,the food (if you could call it that) transportation,the fostering of newcommers. All they had to do was keep the lights and the water on.
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Post by: Che Gookin on May 17, 2013, 10:53:14 PM
Quote from: "none-ya"
It couldn't have effected much of the day to day things. Everything was donated. The building,the food (if you could call it that) transportation,the fostering of newcommers. All they had to do was keep the lights and the water on.

I'm guessing they kept you all in the dark and you probably had no idea there was anything going on in Congress regarding SEED?
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Post by: none-ya on May 17, 2013, 11:55:53 PM
I was in and out all within 1973. So i wasn't there at the end. But we wouldn't have had any way of knowing shit anyway. we weren't allowed to watch tv or read anything. I did find out later after making peace with my parents that the seed kept soliciting money from them long after I was gone.
I've asked about the cross over between programs. The seed and straight inc. Nobody from either camp seems to know. At least  the ones here.
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Post by: none-ya on May 17, 2013, 11:56:48 PM
Sorry for the double post.Surprised I wasn't warned about "flooding".
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Post by: Che Gookin on May 18, 2013, 01:32:09 AM
Cross over in terms of staff or some other sort of cross over?
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Post by: none-ya on May 18, 2013, 03:41:50 AM
Not staff, kids. I don't think any staff crossed over.
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Post by: none-ya on May 18, 2013, 10:41:29 AM
I was wrong again. The "intake lady" Helen Peterman. I never never knew she was such a big deal at straight. I thought it was all Sembler.
http://thestraights.net/people/medical- ... terman.htm (http://thestraights.net/people/medical-doctors/ross-peterman.htm)
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Post by: Che Gookin on May 19, 2013, 01:27:52 AM
I remember reading some of the threads about Helen Peterman, quite the bit of hate for the woman.

You ever run across her in the SEED?
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Post by: none-ya on May 19, 2013, 04:25:02 AM
Quote from: "Che Gookin"
I remember reading some of the threads about Helen Peterman, quite the bit of hate for the woman.

You ever run across her in the SEED?

Only when I first got there. She interviewed my parents and me. She seemed really nice. (I can't believe I said that). But it's true. Everything was groovy until the got me in the group. And then all of a sudden things really started to suck.
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Post by: Che Gookin on May 20, 2013, 03:12:52 AM
I'm afraid to even ask.... but now I'm curious... what happened?
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Post by: DannyB II on May 20, 2013, 04:50:41 PM
NoneYa did you have any groups that were run by residents turned staff or by senior residents? What kind of group therapy did the Seed have?
At Marathon House we had an encounter group where you were confronted on why you were there and or your behavior while there. At Élan we had an encounter group also but ramped up about 100 octaves. It was a very aggressive style of communicating your displeasure with someone. This group served no "real life" purpose at all. We also had a primal scream therapy group which was supposed to allow for the excising of emotions that you denied due to fear. Ya right....it caused more damage than good. The last form of group or confrontation was a GM or General Meeting. This is where you were placed standing in front of your peers in a room and they could charge at you and scream in your face their displeasure they had for you. Would was usually fabricated from staff and directors and fed to you as propaganda to fuel the fire inside you. We were already on edge most of the time so it didn't take much to ramp us up.
Can you identify with any of this while you were at the Seed?
I have often wondered if the Seed was much like Daytop during the 60's and 70's. I was placed at a satellite of Daytop by my mother and her cousin who worked with the Superintendent of Schools in Hartford Ct. It was like a "Scared Staright" moment they were trying to create. It didn't work...I found the older junkies to be fascinating to the point I copied their behavior. Not to smart on my account.
More to my point if the Seed was like Daytop because when I was familiar with Daytop late 60's and 70's most of the members were drug addicts and criminals trying to get clean. I don't remember Daytop offering advanced behavioral therapy etc....it was more like one junkie helping another mantra.
Where are you anyway....lets hear from ya.
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Post by: none-ya on May 20, 2013, 11:54:22 PM
Group therapy in the seed was a joke. When you're first brought in they pop you down in the front row and tell you not to speak or raise your hand. For the first week you only got to speak in open meetings. As a newcommer we were on 10-10's. !0am-10pm. Sunday 12pm-10pm. And nights with a foster family. It was all "raps" all the time. Everybody in a large group girls on one side, boys on the other. During the day it was repetitive. Rules rap, guy's rap,serenity prayer rap,sing songs etc...
 The staff I remember all came from the original seed in Ft. Lauderdale. John Underwood, Big black Arthur, libby were all hard core junkies. At night when the oldcommers came things got really hairy. That's when people would start snitching on each other about shit that went on in school. I think about half the kids in the seed went to Lakewood high. That's when the really nasty shit would come down. You know the scene, people screaming at complete strangers about shit they know nothing about.
They had their favorites they used. There were no licensed therapists our counselors ever.
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Post by: DannyB II on May 21, 2013, 10:42:41 AM
Quote from: "none-ya"
Group therapy in the seed was a joke. When you're first brought in they pop you down in the front row and tell you not to speak or raise your hand. For the first week you only got to speak in open meetings. As a newcommer we were on 10-10's. !0am-10pm. Sunday 12pm-10pm. And nights with a foster family. It was all "raps" all the time. Everybody in a large group girls on one side, boys on the other. During the day it was repetitive. Rules rap, guy's rap,serenity prayer rap,sing songs etc...
 The staff I remember all came from the original seed in Ft. Lauderdale. John Underwood, Big black Arthur, libby were all hard core junkies. At night when the oldcommers came things got really hairy. That's when people would start snitching on each other about shit that went on in school. I think about half the kids in the seed went to Lakewood high. That's when the really nasty shit would come down. You know the scene, people screaming at complete strangers about shit they know nothing about.
They had their favorites they used. There were no licensed therapists our counselors ever.

So the Seed was the mother that birthed Straight Inc? This whole concept of still going to High School, living at night with with adopted foster care parents and being in raps all day is totally foreign to me. I can't even imagine how it could work. Shit....most of the Élan members I knew would have totally taken advantage of these requirements (criminally). They took many straight from juvenile detention centers and state hospitals. Could you imagine the liability issues? This would have brought negative attention to Élan that nobody affiliated with that hellhole ever would had wanted.
What kept all of you from just running away, during school or at night? Was there a high escape from The Seed ratio?
I bet most of you were somewhat like myself and just didn't have anywhere to go. If you did run you were threatened with an even harsher punishment from your parents and/or authorities.
My mother threatened to have me locked up in a mental facility and medicated with Thorazine if I left Maine. I didn't believe this would happen but shit you never knew with the State of Rhode Island Mental Health Dept. My mom did this all because I refused to live in the hell my household was.
NoneYa was anyone sent there from the State of Florida? How was your placement paid for through Child Welfare? I'm sure not all parents could afford the costs of placement.
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Post by: Che Gookin on May 22, 2013, 02:51:07 AM
Quote from: "none-ya"
Group therapy in the seed was a joke. When you're first brought in they pop you down in the front row and tell you not to speak or raise your hand. For the first week you only got to speak in open meetings. As a newcommer we were on 10-10's. !0am-10pm. Sunday 12pm-10pm. And nights with a foster family. It was all "raps" all the time. Everybody in a large group girls on one side, boys on the other. During the day it was repetitive. Rules rap, guy's rap,serenity prayer rap,sing songs etc...
 The staff I remember all came from the original seed in Ft. Lauderdale. John Underwood, Big black Arthur, libby were all hard core junkies. At night when the oldcommers came things got really hairy. That's when people would start snitching on each other about shit that went on in school. I think about half the kids in the seed went to Lakewood high. That's when the really nasty shit would come down. You know the scene, people screaming at complete strangers about shit they know nothing about.
They had their favorites they used. There were no licensed therapists our counselors ever.

Hmm... interesting.. ngms, or new group members at 3 springs weren't allowed to call huddles or give feedback in huddles as well.

Lakewood? I've rolled through there, depressing city.
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Post by: none-ya on May 22, 2013, 03:32:49 AM
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che said;
Lakewood? I've rolled through there, depressing city.

Lakewood is not a city. Lakewood high school is in St. Petersburg. Still depressing though.
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Post by: none-ya on May 22, 2013, 04:32:13 AM
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Danny B II wrote;
So the Seed was the mother that birthed Straight Inc? This whole concept of still going to High School, living at night with with adopted foster care parents and being in raps all day is totally foreign to me. I can't even imagine how it could work. Shit....most of the Élan members I knew would have totally taken advantage of these requirements (criminally). They took many straight from juvenile detention centers and state hospitals. Could you imagine the liability issues? This would have brought negative attention to Élan that nobody affiliated with that hellhole ever would had wanted.
What kept all of you from just running away, during school or at night? Was there a high escape from The Seed ratio?
I bet most of you were somewhat like myself and just didn't have anywhere to go. If you did run you were threatened with an even harsher punishment from your parents and/or authorities.
My mother threatened to have me locked up in a mental facility and medicated with Thorazine if I left Maine. I didn't believe this would happen but shit you never knew with the State of Rhode Island Mental Health Dept. My mom did this all because I refused to live in the hell my household was.
NoneYa was anyone sent there from the State of Florida? How was your placement paid for through Child Welfare? I'm sure not all parents could afford the costs of placement.

I often wondered why more people didn't split when they had the the chance. Is it me or are most rich kids pussys? I knew I was never going to complete the program. All I could think about was splitting. I couldn't believe What happened the first time I tried to run. It was day 3,and when foster dad pulled in the driveway we got out of the car and I bolted. My oldcommer Mr. football star, and 2 other newcommers chased me for 5 or 6 blocks through south St. Pete.About 11pm. I tripped and fell hurt my knee and was tackled by the 3 of them. They didn't rough me up too bad. I just never understood why the 2 other newcommers didn't take the opportunity to free themselves. 1 guy couldn't have caught all of us.Ass kissin' pussy rich kids. And yea i was there like a lot of kids who got in trouble and the court sent me there on the recommendation of my  public defender. Under the offer of no criminal record if I complete the program. And the court ordered program was twice the length of parental placement. 6 mon. vs 3 mon. Which was a joke 'cause everybody that graduated was in for at least a year. Court ordered or not. Long story short (too late) I bided my time until I was allowed to go home. Still on my 10-10. Made it for a while and then I just had to go. Thank god for some good friends. I split. I'm gettin' a headache remembering.
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Post by: Che Gookin on May 22, 2013, 07:56:21 AM
10-10?

The Lakewood, in North Florida, probably something I got confused with one of the other cities in Florida. Last time I was in florida was 2002, memory is a bit fuzzy on the geography.

As for St. Petes, are you referring to St. Petersburg? The city that has that old spanish fort?
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Post by: none-ya on May 22, 2013, 11:01:27 AM
Quote from: "Che Gookin"
10-10?

The Lakewood, in North Florida, probably something I got confused with one of the other cities in Florida. Last time I was in florida was 2002, memory is a bit fuzzy on the geography.

As for St. Petes, are you referring to St. Petersburg? The city that has that old spanish fort?


10 am-10 pm  
Your are referring to Ft. Desoto.
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Post by: Che Gookin on May 24, 2013, 10:53:15 AM
So what were the levels and how were the structured in terms of rewards/responsibilities?