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Title: A Survivor story without the drama
Post by: Whooter on November 04, 2010, 05:00:22 PM
An example of a survivor’s story without the drama… i.e. Kidnappings, torture, brainwashing, starvation, beatings and attacks.  You will notice that the author included the ups and downs in his/her point of view, not just the negative points.  To me this is refreshing and makes the post very credible. Yet I noticed no one extended a welcome to this poster.  Could this be because he failed to say he was kidnapped and abused?

This is a story that I think parents would believe to be credible.  The author isnt seeking attention or trying to run down the program and seems to take responsibility for himself and his actions.

Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=385765#p385765)


Ok too many wrong points and whole lot of good points...I was in the AEG programs for 4 years almost...Yeah I didn't like them but it served me well...Now I wasn't there for Neil and Mary but I did hear stories from some people about their tyranny, but I do not believe they supported terrorists. Get a day job seriously! But from what I heard sometime ago, a girl had to take insulin shots on a daily basis and apparently Neil gave her Hep-C, because he really needed insulin once. SO she used it not knowing he used it, he didn't tell her and now she has it for the rest of her life. And yeah thats a real shit thing to do, but most the kids there refused to do anything about their behaviors, most kids brandished knives, I saw a kid break a part a plastic knife and swallow it. He also carved a girls initials in his own skin. And most of the kids that went had torn family values anyways. And most of them ran away because their parents were absolute monsters. It wasn't like summer camp I know that. We had kids come from Military Schools and they said those schools were more enjoyable than Cedars. To all you parents, yeah you might have different opinions on how Cedars treated your kids, but I went there from 04 to 06. Most of the staff was yeah very unqualified but they were nice as hell. And when I was there they never restrained people or "touched" them in any bad ways. The only reason why I think this is so, they wouldn't let the boys mingle with the girls, that was the only problem any of us had. I mean we still had ways to go around that but it wasn't all bad. Most kids that I saw come and go, faked being sick, faked breaking limbs, faked being attacked by other people, faked being real and faked being anything worth a damn. Oh yeah the other reason was the tuition was like 50 thousand dollars. If you can afford that then good luck to you, reason being all those kids were so damn spoiled that at the end of the day they just went crazy and went nuts, cuz they couldn't have their laptops, IPODS, or cell phones. I went to another AEG school b4 Cedars for a year and half with no technology, grow the hell up and do your work like the rest of us and stop complaining.



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Title: Re: A Survivor story without the drama
Post by: Samara on November 04, 2010, 05:16:04 PM
You don't get to tell survivors how to tell their stories. Others who have posted here have posted their TRUE accounts. It's not on us to minimize our experiences for your fiduciary interests.
Title: Re: A Survivor story without the drama
Post by: Whooter on November 04, 2010, 05:27:58 PM
Quote from: "Samara"
You don't get to tell survivors how to tell their stories. Others who have posted here have posted their TRUE accounts. It's not on us to minimize our experiences for your fiduciary interests.

This is an open forum, Samara, we can not control each other.  We have already established that you have lied when telling your story several times.  No one is telling anyone how to tell their stories.  You can stick with the details of your personal story I really dont care.  I am just pointing out an example of a story which is credible.  If people feel they add credibility to their story by stating that they were kidnapped and dragged into a gulag where they were tortured and brainwashed, like you did, then more power to them.  I am just giving my perspective in an attempt to help survivors see how their stories are viewed from a parents perspective.



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Title: Re: A Survivor story without the drama
Post by: Shadyacres on November 04, 2010, 05:59:39 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
An example of a survivor’s story without the drama… i.e. Kidnappings, torture, brainwashing, starvation, beatings and attacks.  You will notice that the author included the ups and downs in his/her point of view, not just the negative points.  To me this is refreshing and makes the post very credible. Yet I noticed no one extended a welcome to this poster.  Could this be because he failed to say he was kidnapped and abused?

This is a story that I think parents would believe to be credible.  The author isnt seeking attention or trying to run down the program and seems to take responsibility for himself and his actions.

Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=385765#p385765)


. Most kids that I saw come and go, faked being sick, faked breaking limbs, faked being attacked by other people, faked being real and faked being anything worth a damn. Oh yeah the other reason was the tuition was like 50 thousand dollars. If you can afford that then good luck to you, reason being all those kids were so damn spoiled that at the end of the day they just went crazy and went nuts, cuz they couldn't have their laptops, IPODS, or cell phones. I went to another AEG school b4 Cedars for a year and half with no technology, grow the hell up and do your work like the rest of us and stop complaining.[/i]

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:roflmao:  That sounds like it was written by Miller Newton himself!  :roflmao:
 :twofinger:  Get a Life Whooter!  :twofinger:
Title: Re: A Survivor story without the drama
Post by: Whooter on November 04, 2010, 06:03:14 PM
Quote from: "Shadyacres"
Quote from: "Whooter"
An example of a survivor’s story without the drama… i.e. Kidnappings, torture, brainwashing, starvation, beatings and attacks.  You will notice that the author included the ups and downs in his/her point of view, not just the negative points.  To me this is refreshing and makes the post very credible. Yet I noticed no one extended a welcome to this poster.  Could this be because he failed to say he was kidnapped and abused?

This is a story that I think parents would believe to be credible.  The author isnt seeking attention or trying to run down the program and seems to take responsibility for himself and his actions.

Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=385765#p385765)


. Most kids that I saw come and go, faked being sick, faked breaking limbs, faked being attacked by other people, faked being real and faked being anything worth a damn. Oh yeah the other reason was the tuition was like 50 thousand dollars. If you can afford that then good luck to you, reason being all those kids were so damn spoiled that at the end of the day they just went crazy and went nuts, cuz they couldn't have their laptops, IPODS, or cell phones. I went to another AEG school b4 Cedars for a year and half with no technology, grow the hell up and do your work like the rest of us and stop complaining.[/i]

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:roflmao:  That sounds like it was written by Miller Newton himself!  :roflmao:
 :twofinger:  Get a Life Whooter!  :twofinger:

So, just to be clear, Shady, what you are saying is it is okay to make fun of survivors stories if you feel they are not credible.  Like you just did.



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Title: Re: A Survivor story without the drama
Post by: Shadyacres on November 04, 2010, 06:09:20 PM
A survivor who says this?;



Quote from: "Someone Whooter claims not to be"
all those kids were so damn spoiled that at the end of the day they just went crazy and went nuts, cuz they couldn't have their laptops, IPODS, or cell phones.

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:twofinger: Get a Life Whooter!  :twofinger:
Title: Re: A Survivor story without the drama
Post by: Whooter on November 04, 2010, 06:16:06 PM
Quote from: "Shadyacres"
A survivor who says this?;



Quote from: "Whooter"
all those kids were so damn spoiled that at the end of the day they just went crazy and went nuts, cuz they couldn't have their laptops, IPODS, or cell phones.

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:twofinger: Get a Life Whooter!  :twofinger:

How about

Quote from: "Shadyacres"
I was kidnapped and taken to a Gulag where I was systematically brainwashed and held in isolation for several years while being tortured.

Are these credible survivor words? lol



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Title: Re: A Survivor story without the drama
Post by: Shadyacres on November 04, 2010, 06:21:42 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Shadyacres"
A survivor who says this?;



Quote from: "Whooter"
all those kids were so damn spoiled that at the end of the day they just went crazy and went nuts, cuz they couldn't have their laptops, IPODS, or cell phones.

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:twofinger: Get a Life Whooter!  :twofinger:

How about

Quote from: "Shadyacres"
I was kidnapped and taken to a Gulag where I was systematically brainwashed and held in isolation for several years while being tortured.

Are these credible survivor words? lol

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Months, not years, and I wasn't kidnapped, I was deceived by the person I trusted most.  Otherwise, that is completely accurate despite the fact that it was you and not me that said it.  You are getting better at fabricating stories, I'm sure your masters are very proud of you.
Title: Re: A Survivor story without the drama
Post by: Whooter on November 04, 2010, 06:25:18 PM
Quote from: "Shadyacres"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Shadyacres"
A survivor who says this?;



Quote from: "Whooter"
all those kids were so damn spoiled that at the end of the day they just went crazy and went nuts, cuz they couldn't have their laptops, IPODS, or cell phones.

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:twofinger: Get a Life Whooter!  :twofinger:

How about

Quote from: "Shadyacres"
I was kidnapped and taken to a Gulag where I was systematically brainwashed and held in isolation for several years while being tortured.

Are these credible survivor words? lol

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Months, not years, and I wasn't kidnapped, I was deceived by the person I trusted most.  Otherwise, that is completely accurate despite the fact that it was you and not me that said it.  You are getting better at fabricating stories, I'm sure your masters are very proud of you.

I never said :all those kids were so damn spoiled that at the end of the day they just went crazy and went nuts, cuz they couldn't have their laptops, IPODS, or cell phones.

You altered the quotes to try to make the readers believe it was me.  Just another one of your lies, shady.  Why is it okay for you,DJ, troll control and your other buddies to alter threads?  Why do you have this need to deceive people?  Why not just be honest and quote people on what they say instead of playing games?


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Title: Re: A Survivor story without the drama
Post by: Shadyacres on November 04, 2010, 06:52:45 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"

I never said :all those kids were so damn spoiled that at the end of the day they just went crazy and went nuts, cuz they couldn't have their laptops, IPODS, or cell phones.

You altered the quotes to try to make the readers believe it was me.  Just another one of your lies, shady.  Why is it okay for you,DJ, troll control and your other buddies to alter threads?  Why do you have this need to deceive people?  Why not just be honest and quote people on what they say instead of playing games?

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What?  Are you drunk?  I just copied the sentence and pasted it, you didn't post the author.  I wasn't trying to make the readers believe anything.  I don't have to, your posts speak for themselves as I have said before.
Title: Re: A Survivor story without the drama
Post by: Whooter on November 04, 2010, 06:57:09 PM
Quote from: "Shadyacres"
Quote from: "Whooter"

I never said :all those kids were so damn spoiled that at the end of the day they just went crazy and went nuts, cuz they couldn't have their laptops, IPODS, or cell phones.

You altered the quotes to try to make the readers believe it was me.  Just another one of your lies, shady.  Why is it okay for you,DJ, troll control and your other buddies to alter threads?  Why do you have this need to deceive people?  Why not just be honest and quote people on what they say instead of playing games?

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What?  Are you drunk?  I just copied the sentence and pasted it, you didn't post the author.  I wasn't trying to make the readers believe anything.  I don't have to, your posts speak for themselves as I have said before.

I posted the link to that story, Shady, I didnt write it.  (Look at the original post).  Yet you want the readers to believe that I wrote that?  Why?



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Title: Re: A Survivor story without the drama
Post by: Anne Bonney on November 05, 2010, 02:03:54 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
We  have already established that you have lied when telling your story several times.


 (STOP it!  Right now!)
Title: Re: A Survivor story without the drama
Post by: Samara on November 05, 2010, 02:25:58 PM
Whoots, when you say WE, who are you referring to? I really don't think you should be speaking on behalf of others.  Most people don't like being associated with known liars and saboteurs such as yourself.  On the other hand, Anne has been consistent and honest about her life, in part to help others. Perhaps her greatest failing (and mine) is to consistently respond to a person devoid of conscience.  I know discerning right from wrong is challenging for you, but try and manufacture a semblance of shame for consistently ducking the mirror when  looking for liars.
Title: Re: A Survivor story without the drama
Post by: Gonzotherapy on November 05, 2010, 02:41:46 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
We  have already established that you have lied when telling your story several times.


 (STOP it!  Right now!)

Don't get upset Anne, I think that was a mistake, what Whooter meant to say was:
Quote from: "Whooter"
I have told lies myself from time to time.  


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Title: Re: A Survivor story without the drama
Post by: Whooter on November 05, 2010, 02:57:29 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
We  have already established that you have lied when telling your story several times.


 (STOP it!  Right now!)

That was directed to Samara, not you, Anne.  You were not even posting on this thread.  Why are you misleading everyone?



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Title: Re: A Survivor story without the drama
Post by: Whooter on November 05, 2010, 03:46:29 PM
Quote from: "Samara"
Whoots, when you say WE, who are you referring to? I really don't think you should be speaking on behalf of others.
I am speaking for the moderates (not the typical fornits poster)

 
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Most people don't like being associated with known liars and saboteurs .....
 

I am the same way, I dont like to be associated with those types either.  That is why I rarely seek out your opinion on most topics nor take them very seriously.


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On the other hand, Anne has been consistent and honest about her life, in part to help others. Perhaps her greatest failing (and mine) is to consistently respond to a person devoid of conscience.
We all have, we really dont have much choice here if we want to post at all.

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I know discerning right from wrong is challenging for you

Yes, good point.  I think most outsiders do struggle with this here on fornits.  How are we to know if a child was really kidnapped or just escorted to a program.

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but try and manufacture a semblance of shame for consistently ducking the mirror when  looking for liars.

I dont even need to log out of fornits for that.  Cheers! here is looking at you!!



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Title: Re: A Survivor story without the drama
Post by: Gonzotherapy on November 05, 2010, 04:53:50 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
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but try and manufacture a semblance of shame for consistently ducking the mirror when  looking for liars.

I dont even need to log out of fornits for that.  Cheers! here is looking at you!!

Quote from: "Whooter"
I have told lies myself from time to time.  


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Shit Whooter, here's looking at you.
Title: Re: A Survivor story without the drama
Post by: Whooter on November 05, 2010, 05:05:59 PM
Quote from: "Gonzotherapy"
We have all told lies from time to time Whooter.

Cheers Gonzo!!  We all know.



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Title: Re: A Survivor story without the drama
Post by: Whooter on November 05, 2010, 05:36:01 PM
From Bills account from Aspen:
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but I went there from 04 to 06. Most of the staff was yeah very unqualified but they were nice as hell. And when I was there they never restrained people or "touched" them in any bad ways. The only reason why I think this is so, they wouldn't let the boys mingle with the girls, that was the only problem any of us had. I mean we still had ways to go around that but it wasn't all bad. Most kids that I saw come and go, faked being sick, faked breaking limbs, faked being attacked by other people, faked being real and faked being anything worth a damn.

Another point here is that if you are a staff member who has to deal with 100's of kids who are constantly faking illnesses, broken linbs, faking being attacked then over time a persons' reaction time is going to be diminished whether they are highly trained or not.  They are not going to call 911 as quickly as if they were dealing with a normal cross-section of kids say from a local highschool.  Do you see what I mean?



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Title: Re: A Survivor story without the drama
Post by: Gonzotherapy on November 05, 2010, 05:52:24 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Gonzotherapy"
We have all told lies from time to time Whooter.

Cheers Gonzo!!  We all know.



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You don't happen to have a link as to where you found that quote do you Whooter?
Since you insist on falsifying my quotes, I am forced to reveal the truth. Wow, well played idiot.
viewtopic.php?f=77&t=30975#p374568 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=30975#p374568)

Is this the best you can do?
Quote from: "Whooter"
I am a liar, and more importantly, I am an idiot.
Title: Re: A Survivor story without the drama
Post by: Whooter on November 05, 2010, 05:57:44 PM
Okay, Gonzo, I just wanted to make a point.  Lets get back on topic:

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If you can afford that then good luck to you, reason being all those kids were so damn spoiled that at the end of the day they just went crazy and went nuts, cuz they couldn't have their laptops, IPODS, or cell phones. I went to another AEG school b4 Cedars for a year and half with no technology, grow the hell up and do your work like the rest of us and stop complaining.

It seems bill went to 2 Aspen schools.  So he has a perspective on a couple schools both of which he did not see any abuse occur.



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Title: Re: A Survivor story without the drama
Post by: Gonzotherapy on November 05, 2010, 06:09:09 PM
Well, since you are the one accusing people of fabricating or embellishing their stories, discrediting you would seem to be on topic. In my opinion anyways.
Title: Re: A Survivor story without the drama
Post by: Whooter on November 05, 2010, 06:13:55 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
From Bills account from Aspen:
Quote
but I went there from 04 to 06. Most of the staff was yeah very unqualified but they were nice as hell. And when I was there they never restrained people or "touched" them in any bad ways. The only reason why I think this is so, they wouldn't let the boys mingle with the girls, that was the only problem any of us had. I mean we still had ways to go around that but it wasn't all bad. Most kids that I saw come and go, faked being sick, faked breaking limbs, faked being attacked by other people, faked being real and faked being anything worth a damn.

Another point here is that if you are a staff member who has to deal with 100's of kids who are constantly faking illnesses, broken linbs, faking being attacked then over time a persons' reaction time is going to be diminished whether they are highly trained or not.  They are not going to call 911 as quickly as if they were dealing with a normal cross-section of kids say from a local highschool.  Do you see what I mean?



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If you had a hundred kids from your average highschool maybe a few would report being sick in a day.  But what if you had all these kids reporting sicknesses and broken bones which turned out to be false, day after day after day.  Since you are use to experiencing 95% of the reports to be false calls you natural reaction when a kid comes in is to presume they are faking.
This slows down the process and puts the kids in danger especially the one kid who needs immediate attention and doesnt get it.



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Title: Re: A Survivor story without the drama
Post by: Whooter on November 05, 2010, 07:18:15 PM
Revised
Quote from: "Whooter"
From Bills account from Aspen:
Quote
but I went there from 04 to 06. Most of the staff was yeah very unqualified but they were nice as hell. And when I was there they never restrained people or "touched" them in any bad ways. The only reason why I think this is so, they wouldn't let the boys mingle with the girls, that was the only problem any of us had. I mean we still had ways to go around that but it wasn't all bad. Most kids that I saw come and go, faked being sick, faked breaking limbs, faked being attacked by other people, faked being real and faked being anything worth a damn.

Another point here is that if you are a staff member who has to deal with 100's of kids who are constantly faking illnesses, broken linbs, faking being attacked then over time a persons' reaction time is going to be diminished whether they are highly trained or not.  They are not going to call 911 as quickly as if they were dealing with a normal cross-section of kids say from a local highschool.  Do you see what I mean?



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For example:
If you had a hundred kids from your average highschool maybe a few would report being sick in a day.  But what if you had all these kids reporting sicknesses and broken bones which turned out to be false, day after day after day.  Since you are use to experiencing most of the reports to be false calls your natural reaction when a kid comes in is to presume they are faking.

This slows down the process and puts the kids in danger especially the one kid who needs immediate attention and doesnt get it.  So all the faking that many of these kids do in programs actually put the kids who really get sick in more danger and exposes them to a higher risk of not getting treated in the necessary time.



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Title: Re: A Survivor story without the drama
Post by: psy on November 05, 2010, 11:01:46 PM
Quote from: "Gonzotherapy"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Gonzotherapy"
We have all told lies from time to time Whooter.

Cheers Gonzo!!  We all know.



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You don't happen to have a link as to where you found that quote do you Whooter?
Since you insist on falsifying my quotes, I am forced to reveal the truth. Wow, well played idiot.
viewtopic.php?f=77&t=30975#p374568 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=30975#p374568)

Is this the best you can do?
Quote from: "Whooter"
I am a liar, and more importantly, I am an idiot.
Regarding a moderation question made on this discusssion.  Why make things like this against the rule when it's so fun when guys like Whooter get caught.  I really can't get into truth or falsity when it comes to moderating but if you see him doing stuff like this, point it out and prove he's a liar.

I also just started a whooter-free thread on program lies here (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=31613&start=0).
Title: Re: A Survivor story without the drama
Post by: Whooter on November 06, 2010, 07:37:55 AM
Quote from: "psy"
Regarding a moderation question made on this discusssion.  Why make things like this against the rule when it's so fun when guys like Whooter get caught.  I really can't get into truth or falsity when it comes to moderating but if you see him doing stuff like this, point it out and prove he's a liar.

Okay psy,  Just to clarify people can alter other peoples threads to say pretty much anything they want to as long as it is funny.  If I show that Gonzotherapy was lying when he altered a thread (or alter it back to make the point) then that will not be off topic as long as I bring it back on topic again.



Examples in this thread alone

So if Gonzotherapy decides to write:
Quote from: "Whooter"
I am a liar, and more importantly, I am an idiot.
This is okay because it is intended to be funny?

But what about when Shaddyacres quoted earlier? It wasnt intended to be in jest:
viewtopic.php?p=385824#p385824 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=385824#p385824)
Quote from: "Whooter"
all those kids were so damn spoiled that at the end of the day they just went crazy and went nuts, cuz they couldn't have their laptops, IPODS, or cell phones.

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So we can conclude humor isnt the deciding factor.  Any posts can be altered to make people say what ever you want?



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Title: Re: A Survivor story without the drama
Post by: Shadyacres on November 06, 2010, 09:05:49 AM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "psy"
Regarding a moderation question made on this discusssion.  Why make things like this against the rule when it's so fun when guys like Whooter get caught.  I really can't get into truth or falsity when it comes to moderating but if you see him doing stuff like this, point it out and prove he's a liar.

Okay psy,  Just to clarify people can alter other peoples threads to say pretty much anything they want to as long as it is funny.  If I show that Gonzotherapy was lying when he altered a thread (or alter it back to make the point) then that will not be off topic as long as I bring it back on topic again.



Examples in this thread alone

So if Gonzotherapy decides to write:
Quote from: "Whooter"
I am a liar, and more importantly, I am an idiot.
This is okay because it is intended to be funny?

But what about when Shaddyacres quoted earlier? It wasnt intended to be in jest:
viewtopic.php?p=385824#p385824 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=385824#p385824)
Quote from: "Whooter"
all those kids were so damn spoiled that at the end of the day they just went crazy and went nuts, cuz they couldn't have their laptops, IPODS, or cell phones.

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So we can conclude humor isnt the deciding factor.  Any posts can be altered to make people say what ever you want?

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Whooter, I just copied and pasted from YOUR POST, TWO POSTS BACK, anyone reading the thread would know that.  If I was trying to deceive people I would have just made something up like you always do.  Do you see what I mean?
Title: Re: A Survivor story without the drama
Post by: Whooter on November 06, 2010, 09:43:39 AM
Quote from: "Shadyacres"


Whooter, I just copied and pasted from YOUR POST, TWO POSTS BACK, anyone reading the thread would know that.  If I was trying to deceive people I would have just made something up like you always do.  Do you see what I mean?

I provided a link prior to the quote and placed the quote in italic (in the OP).  I also pointed out your error and you never revised your post.  So it was clear that you were trying to make people believe that I wrote it otherwise you would have corrected your error.



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Title: Re: A Survivor story without the drama
Post by: Shadyacres on November 06, 2010, 09:48:46 AM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Shadyacres"


Whooter, I just copied and pasted from YOUR POST, TWO POSTS BACK, anyone reading the thread would know that.  If I was trying to deceive people I would have just made something up like you always do.  Do you see what I mean?

I provided a link prior to the quote and placed the quote in italic (in the OP).  I also pointed out your error and you never revised your post.  So it was clear that you were trying to make people believe that I wrote it otherwise you would have corrected your error.

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It wasn't MY error.  Next time you quote someone, do it properly, with their name attached.
Title: Re: A Survivor story without the drama
Post by: Whooter on November 06, 2010, 05:42:25 PM
Back on topic:

Quote from: "Whooter"
From Bills account from Aspen:
Quote
but I went there from 04 to 06. Most of the staff was yeah very unqualified but they were nice as hell. And when I was there they never restrained people or "touched" them in any bad ways. The only reason why I think this is so, they wouldn't let the boys mingle with the girls, that was the only problem any of us had. I mean we still had ways to go around that but it wasn't all bad. Most kids that I saw come and go, faked being sick, faked breaking limbs, faked being attacked by other people, faked being real and faked being anything worth a damn.

Another point here is that if you are a staff member who has to deal with 100's of kids who are constantly faking illnesses, broken linbs, faking being attacked then over time a persons' reaction time is going to be diminished whether they are highly trained or not.  They are not going to call 911 as quickly as if they were dealing with a normal cross-section of kids say from a local highschool.  Do you see what I mean?



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For example:
If you had a hundred kids from your average highschool maybe a few would report being sick in a day.  But what if you had all these kids reporting sicknesses and broken bones which turned out to be false, day after day after day.  Since you are use to experiencing most of the reports to be false calls your natural reaction when a kid comes in is to presume they are faking.

This slows down the process and puts the kids in danger especially the one kid who needs immediate attention and doesnt get it.  So all the faking that many of these kids do in programs actually put the kids who really get sick in more danger and exposes them to a higher risk of not getting treated in the necessary time.



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Title: Re: A Survivor story without the drama
Post by: Shadyacres on November 06, 2010, 09:48:56 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
An example of a survivor’s story without the drama… i.e. Kidnappings, torture, brainwashing, starvation, beatings and attacks.  You will notice that the author included the ups and downs in his/her point of view, not just the negative points.  To me this is refreshing and makes the post very credible. Yet I noticed no one extended a welcome to this poster.  Could this be because he failed to say he was kidnapped and abused?

This is a story that I think parents would believe to be credible.  The author isnt seeking attention or trying to run down the program and seems to take responsibility for himself and his actions.

Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=385765#p385765)


Ok too many wrong points and whole lot of good points...I was in the AEG programs for 4 years almost...Yeah I didn't like them but it served me well...Now I wasn't there for Neil and Mary but I did hear stories from some people about their tyranny, but I do not believe they supported terrorists. Get a day job seriously! But from what I heard sometime ago, a girl had to take insulin shots on a daily basis and apparently Neil gave her Hep-C, because he really needed insulin once. SO she used it not knowing he used it, he didn't tell her and now she has it for the rest of her life. And yeah thats a real shit thing to do, but most the kids there refused to do anything about their behaviors, most kids brandished knives, I saw a kid break a part a plastic knife and swallow it. He also carved a girls initials in his own skin. And most of the kids that went had torn family values anyways. And most of them ran away because their parents were absolute monsters. It wasn't like summer camp I know that. We had kids come from Military Schools and they said those schools were more enjoyable than Cedars. To all you parents, yeah you might have different opinions on how Cedars treated your kids, but I went there from 04 to 06. Most of the staff was yeah very unqualified but they were nice as hell. And when I was there they never restrained people or "touched" them in any bad ways. The only reason why I think this is so, they wouldn't let the boys mingle with the girls, that was the only problem any of us had. I mean we still had ways to go around that but it wasn't all bad. Most kids that I saw come and go, faked being sick, faked breaking limbs, faked being attacked by other people, faked being real and faked being anything worth a damn. Oh yeah the other reason was the tuition was like 50 thousand dollars. If you can afford that then good luck to you, reason being all those kids were so damn spoiled that at the end of the day they just went crazy and went nuts, cuz they couldn't have their laptops, IPODS, or cell phones. I went to another AEG school b4 Cedars for a year and half with no technology, grow the hell up and do your work like the rest of us and stop complaining.

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This is the standard POV of the brainwashed products of behavior modification, and of those who brainwash them.  All these kids are seen as spoiled and useless and the schools' job is to "whip them into shape", by any means necessary.  A recently brainwashed person thinks they have been saved from certain death or a lifetime of failure, so ANYTHING would have been warranted to bring that about.
Whooter, just so you know in the future, when you quote someone as an example, you are saying what they originally said.  So you did say that.  If it meant that much to you then you should have left the name on it.
Do you see what I mean?
Title: Re: A Survivor story without the drama
Post by: Whooter on November 06, 2010, 10:06:11 PM
Quote from: "Shadyacres"
Quote from: "Whooter"
An example of a survivor’s story without the drama… i.e. Kidnappings, torture, brainwashing, starvation, beatings and attacks.  You will notice that the author included the ups and downs in his/her point of view, not just the negative points.  To me this is refreshing and makes the post very credible. Yet I noticed no one extended a welcome to this poster.  Could this be because he failed to say he was kidnapped and abused?

This is a story that I think parents would believe to be credible.  The author isnt seeking attention or trying to run down the program and seems to take responsibility for himself and his actions.

Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=385765#p385765)


Ok too many wrong points and whole lot of good points...I was in the AEG programs for 4 years almost...Yeah I didn't like them but it served me well...Now I wasn't there for Neil and Mary but I did hear stories from some people about their tyranny, but I do not believe they supported terrorists. Get a day job seriously! But from what I heard sometime ago, a girl had to take insulin shots on a daily basis and apparently Neil gave her Hep-C, because he really needed insulin once. SO she used it not knowing he used it, he didn't tell her and now she has it for the rest of her life. And yeah thats a real shit thing to do, but most the kids there refused to do anything about their behaviors, most kids brandished knives, I saw a kid break a part a plastic knife and swallow it. He also carved a girls initials in his own skin. And most of the kids that went had torn family values anyways. And most of them ran away because their parents were absolute monsters. It wasn't like summer camp I know that. We had kids come from Military Schools and they said those schools were more enjoyable than Cedars. To all you parents, yeah you might have different opinions on how Cedars treated your kids, but I went there from 04 to 06. Most of the staff was yeah very unqualified but they were nice as hell. And when I was there they never restrained people or "touched" them in any bad ways. The only reason why I think this is so, they wouldn't let the boys mingle with the girls, that was the only problem any of us had. I mean we still had ways to go around that but it wasn't all bad. Most kids that I saw come and go, faked being sick, faked breaking limbs, faked being attacked by other people, faked being real and faked being anything worth a damn. Oh yeah the other reason was the tuition was like 50 thousand dollars. If you can afford that then good luck to you, reason being all those kids were so damn spoiled that at the end of the day they just went crazy and went nuts, cuz they couldn't have their laptops, IPODS, or cell phones. I went to another AEG school b4 Cedars for a year and half with no technology, grow the hell up and do your work like the rest of us and stop complaining.

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Whooter, just so you know in the future, when you quote someone as an example, you are saying what they originally said.  So you did say that.  If it meant that much to you then you should have left the name on it.
Do you see what I mean?

I posted a link to the original source, Shady (I am sure you saw it), and then when you misquoted me I pointed out the misquote and gave you the option to revise your post and you still would not change it.  Then finally you had to be a smart ass and change the post to:

Quote from: "Someone Whooter claims not to be"
all those kids were so damn spoiled that at the end of the day they just went crazy and went nuts, cuz they couldn't have their laptops, IPODS, or cell phones.

Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=385824#p385824)




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Title: Re: A Survivor story without the drama
Post by: Ursus on November 06, 2010, 10:59:12 PM
Cross-post from the original (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=7995&p=385968#p385968) in the 'Gonzales; Torture Overseas Compared to, Cedars Academy/Aspen' thread:
Quote from: "billS"
...But from what I heard sometime ago, a girl had to take insulin shots on a daily basis and apparently Neil gave her Hep-C, because he really needed insulin once. SO she used it not knowing he used it, he didn't tell her and now she has it for the rest of her life. And yeah thats a real shit thing to do, but most the kids there refused to do anything about their behaviors, most kids brandished knives, I saw a kid break a part a plastic knife and swallow it.
Wow. So... somehow the theatrics some kid pulled on himself swallowing a piece of plastic are considered WORSE than a program staff using a kid's insulin needles behind her back, never bothering to tell her, and hence infecting her with HepC for life?

I don't know where to even start with this. WTF was Neil thinking when he was helping himself to the kid's medication? And knowingly exposing her to an infectious and incurable disease? How friggin' irresponsible and insane is that?

 :beat:
Title: Re: A Survivor story without the drama
Post by: Whooter on November 06, 2010, 11:15:10 PM
Quote from: "Ursus"
Cross-post from the original (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=7995&p=385968#p385968) in the 'Gonzales; Torture Overseas Compared to, Cedars Academy/Aspen' thread:
Quote from: "billS"
...But from what I heard sometime ago, a girl had to take insulin shots on a daily basis and apparently Neil gave her Hep-C, because he really needed insulin once. SO she used it not knowing he used it, he didn't tell her and now she has it for the rest of her life. And yeah thats a real shit thing to do, but most the kids there refused to do anything about their behaviors, most kids brandished knives, I saw a kid break a part a plastic knife and swallow it.
Wow. So... somehow the theatrics some kid pulled on himself swallowing a piece of plastic are considered WORSE than a program staff using a kid's insulin needles behind her back, never bothering to tell her, and hence infecting her with HepC for life?

I don't know where to even start with this. WTF was Neil thinking when he was helping himself to the kid's medication? And knowingly exposing her to an infectious and incurable disease? How friggin' irresponsible and insane is that?

 :beat:

The guy should had been fired on the spot!!  



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Title: Re: A Survivor story without the drama
Post by: Shadyacres on November 07, 2010, 12:04:19 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
An example of a survivor’s story without the drama… i.e. Kidnappings, torture, brainwashing, starvation, beatings and attacks.  You will notice that the author included the ups and downs in his/her point of view, not just the negative points.  To me this is refreshing and makes the post very credible. Yet I noticed no one extended a welcome to this poster.  Could this be because he failed to say he was kidnapped and abused?

This is a story that I think parents would believe to be credible.  The author isnt seeking attention or trying to run down the program and seems to take responsibility for himself and his actions.

Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=385765#p385765)


Ok too many wrong points and whole lot of good points...I was in the AEG programs for 4 years almost...Yeah I didn't like them but it served me well...Now I wasn't there for Neil and Mary but I did hear stories from some people about their tyranny, but I do not believe they supported terrorists. Get a day job seriously! But from what I heard sometime ago, a girl had to take insulin shots on a daily basis and apparently Neil gave her Hep-C, because he really needed insulin once. SO she used it not knowing he used it, he didn't tell her and now she has it for the rest of her life. And yeah thats a real shit thing to do, but most the kids there refused to do anything about their behaviors, most kids brandished knives, I saw a kid break a part a plastic knife and swallow it. He also carved a girls initials in his own skin. And most of the kids that went had torn family values anyways. And most of them ran away because their parents were absolute monsters. It wasn't like summer camp I know that. We had kids come from Military Schools and they said those schools were more enjoyable than Cedars. To all you parents, yeah you might have different opinions on how Cedars treated your kids, but I went there from 04 to 06. Most of the staff was yeah very unqualified but they were nice as hell. And when I was there they never restrained people or "touched" them in any bad ways. The only reason why I think this is so, they wouldn't let the boys mingle with the girls, that was the only problem any of us had. I mean we still had ways to go around that but it wasn't all bad. Most kids that I saw come and go, faked being sick, faked breaking limbs, faked being attacked by other people, faked being real and faked being anything worth a damn. Oh yeah the other reason was the tuition was like 50 thousand dollars. If you can afford that then good luck to you, reason being all those kids were so damn spoiled that at the end of the day they just went crazy and went nuts, cuz they couldn't have their laptops, IPODS, or cell phones. I went to another AEG school b4 Cedars for a year and half with no technology, grow the hell up and do your work like the rest of us and stop complaining.
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End justifies the means, big surprise.  This is the standard POV of the brainwashed products of behavior modification, and of those who brainwash them. All these kids are seen as spoiled and useless and the schools' job is to "whip them into shape", by any means necessary. A recently brainwashed person thinks they have been saved from certain death or a lifetime of failure, so ANYTHING would have been warranted to bring that about.   :wall:
Title: Re: A Survivor story without the drama
Post by: Whooter on November 07, 2010, 02:26:53 PM
Quote from: "Shadyacres"


End justifies the means, big surprise.  This is the standard POV of the brainwashed products of behavior modification, and of those who brainwash them. All these kids are seen as spoiled and useless and the schools' job is to "whip them into shape", by any means necessary. A recently brainwashed person thinks they have been saved from certain death or a lifetime of failure, so ANYTHING would have been warranted to bring that about.   :wall:

I think you read way too much into it,Shady.  I dont see any brainwashing at all.  I know many people who hated highschool but they admit that it served them well and now have a better job because of it.  It doesnt mean that the highschool brainwashed him.
When you are looking for a small sound bite to support your thinking it is easy to fool yourself, but the response is perfectly natural.  There was no talk about kidnappings or torture rooms, isolation chambers etc.



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Title: Re: A Survivor story without the drama
Post by: Shadyacres on November 07, 2010, 03:22:11 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Shadyacres"


End justifies the means, big surprise.  This is the standard POV of the brainwashed products of behavior modification, and of those who brainwash them. All these kids are seen as spoiled and useless and the schools' job is to "whip them into shape", by any means necessary. A recently brainwashed person thinks they have been saved from certain death or a lifetime of failure, so ANYTHING would have been warranted to bring that about.   :wall:

I think you read way too much into it,Shady.  I dont see any brainwashing at all.  I know many people who hated highschool but they admit that it served them well and now have a better job because of it.  It doesnt mean that the highschool brainwashed him.
When you are looking for a small sound bite to support your thinking it is easy to fool yourself, but the response is perfectly natural.  There was no talk about kidnappings or torture rooms, isolation chambers etc.
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Yet.  If billS is real, and he could be, will he still feel the same in 10 or 20 years when he has had time to assimilate his experiences and compare them to the experiences of his peers?  How much of that post is him and how much of it is what the program programmed into him?  As I said, his account sounds like it was written by Miller Newton or Mrs. Pete, who were not qualified to tell ANYONE how to live.
Title: Re: A Survivor story without the drama
Post by: Ursus on November 07, 2010, 03:43:26 PM
Quote from: "Shadyacres"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Shadyacres"
End justifies the means, big surprise.  This is the standard POV of the brainwashed products of behavior modification, and of those who brainwash them. All these kids are seen as spoiled and useless and the schools' job is to "whip them into shape", by any means necessary. A recently brainwashed person thinks they have been saved from certain death or a lifetime of failure, so ANYTHING would have been warranted to bring that about.   :wall:
I think you read way too much into it,Shady.  I dont see any brainwashing at all.  I know many people who hated highschool but they admit that it served them well and now have a better job because of it.  It doesnt mean that the highschool brainwashed him.
When you are looking for a small sound bite to support your thinking it is easy to fool yourself, but the response is perfectly natural.  There was no talk about kidnappings or torture rooms, isolation chambers etc.
Yet.  If billS is real, and he could be, will he still feel the same in 10 or 20 years when he has had time to assimilate his experiences and compare them to the experiences of his peers?  How much of that post is him and how much of it is what the program programmed into him?  As I said, his account sounds like it was written by Miller Newton or Mrs. Pete, who were not qualified to tell ANYONE how to live.
Yep, my take on billS' account is pretty much in the same vein as Shady's, Whooter. These programs teach one to feel tremendous disdain and condescension, perhaps even a strange breed of "pity," towards those not marching in line with the program "principles." Most telling is the fact that this guy spent four years in these programs. I imagine it might take a l-o-n-g time for the koolaid to wear off in his case.
Title: Re: A Survivor story without the drama
Post by: Anne Bonney on November 08, 2010, 01:21:12 PM
Quote from: "Shadyacres"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Shadyacres"

End justifies the means, big surprise.  This is the standard POV of the brainwashed products of behavior modification, and of those who brainwash them. All these kids are seen as spoiled and useless and the schools' job is to "whip them into shape", by any means necessary. A recently brainwashed person thinks they have been saved from certain death or a lifetime of failure, so ANYTHING would have been warranted to bring that about.   :wall:

I think you read way too much into it,Shady.  I dont see any brainwashing at all.  I know many people who hated highschool but they admit that it served them well and now have a better job because of it.  It doesnt mean that the highschool brainwashed him.
When you are looking for a small sound bite to support your thinking it is easy to fool yourself, but the response is perfectly natural.  There was no talk about kidnappings or torture rooms, isolation chambers etc.

Yet.  If billS is real, and he could be, will he still feel the same in 10 or 20 years when he has had time to assimilate his experiences and compare them to the experiences of his peers?  How much of that post is him and how much of it is what the program programmed into him?  As I said, his account sounds like it was written by Miller Newton or Mrs. Pete, who were not qualified to tell ANYONE how to live.

Yup.....adn the only reason Whooter thinks that particular post is "credible" is because it basically agrees with his own opinion......that most of the kids were 'out of control' or 'spoiled brats' and 'needed to be there'.   ::)