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« Reply #135 on: October 18, 2006, 08:55:08 AM »
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« Reply #136 on: October 18, 2006, 09:13:15 AM »
At the moment, I'm watching the legal end of it unfold and doing what counsel says.  Otherwise, I've not much to do except consult with mental health folk on the real side of the issue and have a plan together.  Also, baiting a few trolls gives me some ventilation, especially if they come on as arrogant as this one.  Jump through the hoops, troll. Defend your WTF (wilderness treatment facility).
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« Reply #137 on: October 18, 2006, 09:22:03 AM »
That was me, incognito.  On the down-low from The Man...
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A PV counselor\'s description of his job:

\"I\'m there to handle kids that are psychotic, suicidal, homicidal, or have commited felonies. Oh yeah, I am also there to take them down when they are rowdy so the nurse can give them the booty juice.\"

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« Reply #138 on: October 18, 2006, 01:17:24 PM »
I question some of the sources. As a former patient of PV, some of what i've read on here sounds very close to the truth while other stuff sounds skewed. The angrier a former patient is about their stay at PV the farther they will stretch the story as I myself am guilty of such a thing. I know from my experience that no one ever opened my mail - but me and if the staff were reading it they were some SUPER READERS cause it appeared that they just glanced over it. I know that some stuff I wrote in my letters to home that probably should have been brought up - never was. I also know that it stated in my patient rights that my mail would not be censored and that i had the right to send and receive mail without censorship. I can recall a few things that I wrote that were brought up in Fam. Therapy but it was all stuff I had told my group or expressed myself about.

While I am not a fan of PV, and do hope that you get your daughter out because that place is the shitpit of the world.... I think that maybe you have been told half truths about some of the stuff that goes on around there.

Also, about the confront thing..... I very rarely received a ton of confronts and I can't remember being coerced into confronting anyone for any specific reason.... I recall usually being given the opportunity to take responsibility for whatever rule I broke no matter how stupid it was and if I didn't then I got confronted. Maybe things have changed around there I don't really know.

Hope this helps..... good luck with your daughter.
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« Reply #139 on: October 18, 2006, 01:29:46 PM »
Thanks for posting.  Yeah, I think things have changed radically in the last couple of years.  There's nothing regarding handling of mail in the "housekeeping" section of the PV guidelines.  When kids are in shutdown STU, their mail is kept from them, which is tampering with the mail, again.  I just read three reports by parents of former PV patients who painted a sick picture, all involving weight gain, over-meds, exposure to even more severe behavior, no benefit, and the kids' instant dismissal, healthy or not, when insurance or cash ran out.  Treatment lasts as long as payments are made.
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\"I\'m there to handle kids that are psychotic, suicidal, homicidal, or have commited felonies. Oh yeah, I am also there to take them down when they are rowdy so the nurse can give them the booty juice.\"

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« Reply #140 on: October 18, 2006, 01:36:20 PM »
I think I can clear this up.

One thing Fornits members keep assuming, myself included, is that these people are internally consistent. This is wrong. Programmies don't even have this bare minimum of ethics. The policies can be changed at any time, and even applied differently to whatever kids they want to apply them to, whenever they want to. Who's going to call them on this? When they're abusing kids left and right, who's going to point out that they're abusing one kid more than another?

Of course, this discrepancy means that when the kids get out and start telling the truth about what happened, they seem to be telling subtly different stories. They aren't lying. The programmies just didn't treat them the same.
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« Reply #141 on: October 18, 2006, 01:56:12 PM »
It's like their admissions policy:  PV listens, picks out what you want to hear, and magically shapes the perfect program for Junior.  That "individual plan" flies out the window when they hit STU, and they're all up to their necks in the same sort of shit.  I think the staff's perceived relationship with the parents of patients plays too much of a role in how the kids are treated.
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« Reply #142 on: October 18, 2006, 02:37:11 PM »
Quote from: ""ZenAgent""
 I think the staff's perceived relationship with the parents of patients plays too much of a role in how the kids are treated.


Uh yah....Parent with the most money wins. Yay!!!!

Bonus points for being trim and good looking. Two marks! Straightway.
Marks deducted for being smarter than most staff and also for flab, Brylcream, compost breath and spots on the face.
Points added for no socks, Vitalis, and Jimmy Buffet blasting from the rental car.
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« Reply #143 on: October 18, 2006, 06:20:21 PM »
The kids aren't allowed to confront one and other without asking staff first.  It's not that staff trusts the "lying and manipulative" kids, as you put it, but that staff was aware of it in the first place.  And as for the mail, once again, staff doesn't open or read the mail.  The kids open it up and staff checks the address and name.  Then the kids read their mail and put it in their file and staff never sees it again.  Just wanted to make that clear.
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« Reply #144 on: October 18, 2006, 06:40:37 PM »
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« Reply #145 on: October 18, 2006, 06:50:00 PM »
Quote from: ""Just FYI""
The kids aren't allowed to confront one and other without asking staff first.  It's not that staff trusts the "lying and manipulative" kids, as you put it, but that staff was aware of it in the first place.  And as for the mail, once again, staff doesn't open or read the mail.  The kids open it up and staff checks the address and name.  Then the kids read their mail and put it in their file and staff never sees it again.  Just wanted to make that clear.


So, you're saying they in no way interrupt mail service, like when a patient is in shutdown?  Careful how you answer that one, 'cos I'll call you. Who looks at the mail first? I don't believe you and question your motives.   Get your facts straight.  Kids in PV suffer "peer pressure", and if you think the staffers are qualified enough to sort the "lying and manipulating" kids out, you don't know shit about the WTF you're defending.  Just wanted to make that clear. I've got a rapidly growing list of former patients who think PV is a shitpit in need of draining.  Is that clear?  Damn, I hate these myopic program WONKs who only want to rent space to stash a kid they ignored and abused, then suddenly run into their lives and lock them down.  You separate them from everything they know, and everyone they love, and expect some fucking BM program is going  to make them love and respect you.  Let's make it clear, they will loathe you, and the program will cost a lot and do nothing but harm.  You reprobate WONK'er.  A boot camp-rehab unit might do some of these PV parents some good.
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\"I\'m there to handle kids that are psychotic, suicidal, homicidal, or have commited felonies. Oh yeah, I am also there to take them down when they are rowdy so the nurse can give them the booty juice.\"

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« Reply #146 on: October 18, 2006, 07:47:50 PM »
Look, I'm not here to argue with you, and I'm not going to.  You obviously don't want to know the truth because it's easier for you to believe what you believe, and ignore anything that contradicts that.  I'm just letting you know that you have a very twisted view of what's really going on.  You say you have all these "sources" who are telling you the truth.  I'm telling you that they are not.  It's up to you what you do with it.
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« Reply #147 on: October 18, 2006, 08:53:21 PM »
"It's up to you what you do with it."  That's the only thing you're right about, dickhead.  We'll throw you in a mechanical restraint and watch you foam at the mouth.  It's your program, punk.  I wish you luck with a capital F.
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« Reply #148 on: October 18, 2006, 09:01:17 PM »
It can get quite dicey around here at times....
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« Reply #149 on: October 18, 2006, 09:17:45 PM »
I'm waiting for FYIdiot to to give up how he/she has the truth.  If you're a former employee, I'm not moved.  Counselors move through that shithole like wind.  If you're a former patient, like within the last five years, you'd know more about PV's program.  If you're a current employee or the parent of a kid in there now, well, well, the real woodpeckers are amongst us.  So, unless you tell me how your truth is the un-twisted one, fuck yourself.  Just an FYI, guy.
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