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« Reply #30 on: May 17, 2005, 06:08:00 AM »
I just found out Elan is 766 Approved but an out of state school - it means that they are approved by the MA Department of Education to educate children on IEP's with special needs, it is not a licensed school in or for MA at all.  I agree it isn't perfect - one thing for sure no licensed Residential School in MA is locked unless it is specific to serving children in detention only.  We do not and have fought them locking residential schools in MA.  Their are alarms on some of the programs doors that go on at night - that is so folks are aware if a child/adolescent has booked, that is more for health, welfare, and safety reasons for the kids.  No our child welfare system does not go in and check if kids were brought in with handcuffs and honestly I am not aware (which doesn't mean it hasn't happened) of it happening in any of our LICENSED programs if someone knows differently I would need an email with the students name and date of occurance and it would have to be in the present, believe me I would love to put the escorts and Ed Consultants out of business in MA that is for sure. I know they have what one would call RTC's in other states - I have been to conferences where I can see the major differences in other states to MA - most importantly parental and students rights, in a lot of other states they want kids dropped off to "fix" and we don't buy that here we know that you don't fix any human being they are not cars.  Good luck in your efforts again I can see by many posts that people are traumatized and are very passionate about their feelings and I am not a therapist but am a parent whose child went through residential hell which caused me major hell in my life and I need to make changes and try to make it better so it doesn't happen to others.
Good luck to all of you, I just feel strategie is a huge component in getting the job done and ours are different is all.
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« Reply #31 on: May 17, 2005, 12:07:00 PM »
So are these Mass programs considered RTC/TBSs by everyone except Licensing in Ma?

ACADEMY AT SWIFT RIVER (Aspen Ed) is a college preparatory therapeutic boarding school
http://www.strugglingteens.com/employme ... river.html
Not a member of 766

CASTLE SCHOOL is a community-based, residential and day school, 12-month program offers a full-time school, a therapeutic living experience and an array of clinical services
http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... 501np.html
Is a member of 766

STETSON SCHOOL is a long-term (average stay is about 18-months), 120-bed residential treatment center
http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... 501np.html
Is a member of 766

HARBOR SCHOOLS
a therapeutic residential program for troubled teens, was notified of being placed on probation by the Massachusetts Program Quality Assurances Services, Compliance and Monitoring, http://www.doe.mass.edu/pqa/news04/0302 ... roval.html based on concerns of not providing adequate supervision in activities on or off campus
http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... views.html
Is a member of 766

JOHN DEWEY ACADEMY- this controversial program http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... /oe04.html
Was even banned from Woodbury Report?s, and is most definitely a TBS
http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... sit02.html
Is not a member of 766
 
COLD SPRING ACADEMY is actually in Fl, but came up in a search for programs in Mass

?Ethics? of 766 ?special ed? members
http://www.spedschools.com/PlacementInf ... ctices.htm
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« Reply #32 on: May 22, 2005, 09:29:00 AM »
Spedschools.com is not a licensing agency it is a member agency a trade organization so the state has nothing to do with them or their practices.  Well hmm Struggling Teens I think they speak for themselves, if you believe that paying folks airfare, hotel, and meals to come out and write a story about a program then well, I don't know what to tell you.  As a matter of fact I emailed Lon Woodbury personally about Cold Springs he had nothing to say worthwhile my decision was after the emails and no return call that they paid for the advertising and they don't care where the money comes from - no standards there.  Academy at Swift River is NOT LICENSED IN MA - what else can I tell you - they are not licensed and not referred to either by anyone with any stature or credibility.  Harbor is approved and licensed went through some terrible things, major changes, and is up and running pretty well at least doing much better, Castle also licensed and approved and doing well.  Stetson also licensed and approved for 766.  Again what is your point here, the programs that are approved and licensed in MA are Residential Schools they are approved and licensed as that.  Your information from woodbury reports is well exactly what it is, and 766 Member means nothing - it is a trade organization.  What means something is Licensed by the Office for Child Care Services (the state licensing and oversight agency) and 766 Approved (means they are approved as a special education school in MA from DOE).  You are arguing facts from websites that mean nothing NOTHING!  I have given you the facts and still am not sure where you are coming from.  SPEDSCHOOLS.COM AKA MAAPS is a member trade organization they promote their members programs, they also buy bulk insurance etc., I am not fond of them but at the same time they have a right to be there and do what they do.  Struggling Teens is exactly what it is and I hate that term struggling teens we started a list serve which didn't pick up much to try to get folks steered from that.  It makes me sick, the kids who do need thereputic residential schools are not struggling teens they are living with a disability.  Big difference!  

Bottom line - we are trying to stay on top of the programs in MA - they are up and running so we need to make sure they are safe or do our best to make sure.  When they are not we are all over them all over them.  Unfortunetly the information you got was from sites that are not the licensing agencies, one was a site I find very unreputable and the other was a trade organization site.  Why do you continue to want to argue facts?  Where is this getting you?  Your fact finding is well, not have anything to do with what PFRR does or it's mission.  It is links you found on two sites that are not of any issue with me, I can't control where programs advertise nor are a member of.  Your hard work is commendable, and I can see you have a passion which is wonderful, but again to try to discredit my knowledge and our mission is not constructive at all, when you realize I am not one of the awful Ed Consultants - you will be fine, ask Shelby I do the right thing by children and families.  I give them proper information, and also help them a lot when they call unfortunetly when they place in a Academy at Swift River or old Desisto - they reach me only after something has happened I let parents know when a school is properly licensed if they reach me before hand.  It is the first Sunday morning with no rain in a long time in MA - I am going to try to plant my garden this morning before it rains.  It has been an awful spring here loads of rain I am ready to build an ARK.
Good luck.
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« Reply #33 on: May 22, 2005, 02:34:00 PM »
Andrea, it's really very simple and obvious. These RTCs have done the two step shuffle for the licensing agencies but haven't actually changed what they do or how they do it. They're pulling the wool over your eyes.

And now you're going to go to the trouble of developing and promoting a website to promote those RTC that do the paperwork to get themselves listed as licensed.

Ok, I see, good luck w/ that.  :roll:

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« Reply #34 on: May 22, 2005, 06:39:00 PM »
Paperwork to get licensed?  Do you think that is honestly all it is?  MA is known to be exactly not "just paperwork" it takes a long time to license, and their are site visits, both announced and un announced, proof, and then when open site visits announced and unannounced day, night, and weekends.  I know that licensing in other states is just paperwork and that makes me sick it is not perfect here in MA but a lot better than elsewhere, and a lot more stringent as well.  I am not going to argue this point with you anymore - it is obvious your trauma and belief are much too strong to see what people are doing is good, I am not part of the problem as a matter of fact have found a way to keep involved so as I can see and know what is going on and make changes.  I never compromise on the health, welfare, safety, and service delivery of children.  You go on and fight your fight, I hope you are succesful in making changes but again it isn't going to happen by posting here, and also not going to happen by bashing every parent who turns here because they are not educated in this area and are only looking for some help and or light at the end of the tunnel.
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« Reply #35 on: May 22, 2005, 08:36:00 PM »
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 I am not going to argue this point with you anymore - it is obvious your trauma and belief are much too strong to see what people are doing is good...


 :rofl: Yeah, that must be it. I'm too damaged to see that you're right. It's obvious to me that your bias and sanctimony are much too strong to give any creedence to those of us who have actually lived it.

Straight was licensed. All of the current incarnations are licensed. They put on a good old dog and pony show of ensuring safety and standards. But, at the end of the day, it's still thought reform. There simply isn't a kind or gentle way to reform someone's thoughts and behavior against their will. There's no complicated, mysterious trick to it. You just have to break their will first. Simple as pie.

Would you care to explain how you manage to regulate away emotional abuse?

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« Reply #36 on: May 22, 2005, 09:33:00 PM »
Straight was not Licensed in MA and probably would not have met the standards, if they made it through licensing they would have been shut down a long time ago.  I am sorry for all that suffered with Straight but they were not here, and I am doing everything I am to make sure that things are safe for kids and also I know about emotional abuse and yes it is against the law here in MA and probably all over only in MA they do try to support complaints against emotional abuse.  I do what I do so parents, the kids/adolescents and others know they have rights that their kids have rights and until you "get that" you will never understand - give me some credit I am a caring person and emotional abuse is as bad if not worse than physical abuse I have seen it.   Did you know that kids/adolescents as well as parents can file complaints at OCCS here in MA for the programs and they ALL GET INVESTIGATED AND ARE TAKEN SERIOUSLY?
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« Reply #37 on: May 22, 2005, 10:53:00 PM »
***Again what is your point here, the programs that are approved and licensed in MA are Residential Schools they are approved and licensed as that.

HERE?S THE POINT ANDREA, FOR ABOUT THE THIRD TIME
You said:
In MA we do not have RTC's they are Residential Schools
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =10#102598
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Yes you are right Deb you did write but without any valuable knowledge and again we do not have RTC's we have Residential Schools - furthermore we do not have a troubled teen or a troubled parent industry
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =20#102800

This is misleading. There are RTCs, TBSs, whatever you want to call them, in Mass.
The rest of this discussion has been an attempt to understand how you define RTC/TBS and how you can claim that there are none in Mass.

Kudos for any improvements you make, but it?s pretty lame that Licensing can?t require RTCs such as ASR to divulge the services they offer and FORCE them to be licensed.

And by the way, licensing is not ?just paperwork? in other states. Mass doesn?t really appear to be much different. You give the impression that licensing is inspecting these ?residential schools? randomly during days, nights, and weekends. That is unheard of. I have never heard of an announced or unannounced visit occurring on nights or weekends, unless a complaint of abuse is filed and needs to be checked immediately, and then it?s usually CPS that makes that visit. And most licensing depts make visit about once a year, sometimes every two years, if the program has a 'good' record.

Is it really so different? How so, and can you document it?
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« Reply #38 on: May 22, 2005, 11:09:00 PM »
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Straight was not Licensed in MA


Check your history. Straight Soughton.

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« Reply #39 on: May 22, 2005, 11:20:00 PM »
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give me some credit I am a caring person and emotional abuse is as bad if not worse than physical abuse I have seen it. Did you know that kids/adolescents as well as parents can file complaints at OCCS here in MA for the programs and they ALL GET INVESTIGATED AND ARE TAKEN SERIOUSLY?
Andrea

Dear lady (not facetious) I do understand. I never doubted your intentions or your compassion. It's just that I've seen this song and dance so many times and you seem to think it's original material.

Whoopie! People filed numerous complaints against Straight w/ state and local law enforcement agencies. And they all poured barrels of ink and palets of paper into making a show of taking them seriously. The result? We use different words to describe what's going on.

The meaningful result? None whatsoever.

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The beating goes on, now under license by the state w/ endorsement by the governor!

If you want to know more about the later day Straights, you may be able to raise a reply from Jeff Henschel. He does drop in and post from time to time. Nice kid. You'd like him.

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« Reply #40 on: May 22, 2005, 11:50:00 PM »
And what's the difference between boarding and residential? Doesn't boarding mean food and lodging? Isn't that the same thing as a residence? Are we splittin hairs here, or roasting some hare?

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« Reply #41 on: May 23, 2005, 05:47:00 AM »
The licensing agency in the state that straight is in probably needs a reality check and some pressure as it wouldn't have happened (God I hope not I know so thousands would have come out in protest) in MA.  

Now the difference between a boarding school and a residential school in MA, is that a boarding school (college prep etc.) takes a population that is high functioning, without special needs or disabilities, etc. and a Residential School such as the ones I am speaking of take children/adolescents with special needs, disabilities, etc.
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« Reply #42 on: May 23, 2005, 07:53:00 AM »
And the difference between Residential Schools and Residential Treatment Centers/ Therapeutic Boarding Schools- which aren't licensed and have the same MO as other RTCs and TBSs around the country?

How do YOU classify the RTCs/TBSs I listed?
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« Reply #43 on: May 23, 2005, 09:38:00 AM »
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The licensing agency in the state that straight is in probably needs a reality check


This has been going on on a national level for over 30 years now. I think it's intentional.

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