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« Reply #165 on: July 21, 2005, 11:34:00 AM »
I'm with Webcrawler on this issue at least.  
It is completely wrong to use these kids and their emotional work as entertainment or even information.

There is no place in a civilized society for televlsing this kind of show.  

The whole program these kids are in is experiential anyway, how stupid is it to think that people can get anything good out of it by passively watching it?


I hear people say that at least it acquaints parents with possible options but that's just not good enough.  You can't ethically take away a kid's privacy like that for the sake of some other family's potential gain later, it just isn't right

I'm completely for good wilderness programs and therapeutic schools as I've said to Webcrawler and other already--- I've seen good ones, seen good almost miraculous results in terms of personal growth, maturity, forgiveness---so I absolutely do not buy into the party-line here that the only good program is an out-of-business program.

That does not excuse televising Brat Camp
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« Reply #166 on: July 21, 2005, 11:36:00 AM »
Know what made me want to jump through the TV screen? Those program jerks reading the kids'letters to their parents--that type of intrustion into private communication between chidren and their parents is UNACCEPTABLE.
Then the stupid parent who said "I heard that my daughter's drug test was positive for cocaine..." What does she mean, she HEARD? Don't they get copies of medical forms, and tests that they surely PAID FOR?
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« Reply #167 on: July 21, 2005, 11:43:00 AM »
Jada never did cocaine. It's a mind game they play with the kids. They do it all the time at adolescent treatment places. They tell you allt hese horrible things came up on your screen to try and get you to admit to something. OR, simply because the tests are flawed. I've had tests come back positive at work a couple times for things I would never try in my life.
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« Reply #168 on: July 21, 2005, 11:49:00 AM »
Everyone of these parents should have to go thru this little Wilderness Program themselves. See how well they hold up.
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« Reply #169 on: July 21, 2005, 01:48:00 PM »
Hey I want to respond to all who are attacking the show and camp and parents.  I am a licensed counselor.  We adopted a child from the Ukraine when he was 7.  He is now 15 and puts us through continual hell. Our desire has always to give him a loving home.  Prior to getting married and having kids I went through counseling to deal with a very dysfunctional past.  I live a good and productive life.  I chose to work on myself not balme parents.  I have an 18 year old, also adopted who has done well and is going to college on a scholarship. We have tried everyhing with the 15 year old, counseling for us and him, conferences etc.  I would give anything to know how to help him.  It is so easy for ya'll to sit and judge when you are not in our shoes!!!!
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« Reply #170 on: July 21, 2005, 01:52:00 PM »
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« Reply #171 on: July 21, 2005, 02:00:00 PM »
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I'm completely for good wilderness programs and therapeutic schools as I've said to Webcrawler and other already--- I've seen good ones, seen good almost miraculous results in terms of personal growth, maturity, forgiveness---so I absolutely do not buy into the party-line here that the only good program is an out-of-business program.

That does not excuse televising Brat Camp


Wow! I wish you'd pick a username and use it. This is such an unexpected and interesting take on the issue in the context of your other posts. But I can't comment on that w/o busting out your ID.

Anon, I'd be willing to put some time into this if you're game. If you pick a username, I can reassign selected posts to it.

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« Reply #172 on: July 21, 2005, 02:13:00 PM »
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"That does not excuse televising Brat Camp"


Ok so what sort of counselors decide to participate in something like this that IS televised?? I'd say it's a big ole red flag as far as their professionalism goes.
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« Reply #173 on: July 21, 2005, 02:21:00 PM »
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"Hey I want to respond to all who are attacking the show and camp and parents.  I am a licensed counselor.  We adopted a child from the Ukraine when he was 7.  He is now 15 and puts us through continual hell. Our desire has always to give him a loving home.  Prior to getting married and having kids I went through counseling to deal with a very dysfunctional past.  I live a good and productive life.  I chose to work on myself not balme parents.  I have an 18 year old, also adopted who has done well and is going to college on a scholarship. We have tried everyhing with the 15 year old, counseling for us and him, conferences etc.  I would give anything to know how to help him.  It is so easy for ya'll to sit and judge when you are not in our shoes!!!!  "


OK first of all adopting a kid, who's *seven years old* (as opposed to a baby), from a *foreign country* and not expecting a TON of work ahead seems a bit naive. God can you even imagine the sorts of feelings he must have that he doesn't belong?? And you say that you decided to work on yourself and not blame your parents...why then are you blaming this *child*?? Are you expecting more from a child than you do from two grown adults?? Maybe you should apply whatever you did with your parents to him as well, mmmm? Keep providing positive reinforcement, keep trying to communicate with him, don't start to blame him for your feelings and decide to ship him off to some strangers. He's just a CHILD.
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« Reply #174 on: July 21, 2005, 02:24:00 PM »
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I would give anything to know how to help him. It is so easy for ya'll to sit and judge when you are not in our shoes!!!!


Why do you assume that we're not in your shoes? Ok, so I never adoped any kids. They're all mine, flesh and blood, till death do us part. And I can imagine (and observe) that adoption creates some difficult issues. But it's not the only circumstance that can create similarly difficult issues.

In my case, it's the other way around. For a couple of years, our older daughter (now 21) seemed to do all she could to turn our hair gray early. It's our middle daughter who usually does all we expect of her, makes decent calls for herself most of the time and is the good, reliable, responsible kid.

I can't stress this enough. If I didn't know better, I probably would have thought some tough boot camp or other intensive coerced therapy looked pretty good. But I do know better. I lived it; was immersed in it, in fact, from around the age of 6 (see my sig for explanation)

Over and over again, we see programs promise, and parents hope for, something which can never and should never be. They want their disturbingly wild young adult offspring to be transformed back into the maliable, obedient, dependent little child they used to love. I'm sorry if you find it offensive, but that's just a sick notion!

Are you a religious person? The Judeo/Christian mythology offers a pretty good parable in the Prodigal Son. I'm told that almost every other popular religion down through the ages has a similar morality tale.

All kids grow up. Some tend to agree w/ much of their parents' world view and they get along just fine. Some don't. Only time will tell who's right or wrong in that situation. Just have a little patience and faith in your kid. They'll figure things out one way or another. And, very likely, the sooner you quit trying to control and manipulate them, the quicker they can get to figuring themselves out w/o the distraction of fighting you.

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« Reply #175 on: July 21, 2005, 05:06:00 PM »
Brat Camp must be reaching parents---and in a way that's pro-program---cuz there's an awful lot of disagreement with the corrent ant-program line on this board these days.


Whadda ya gonna do Antigen--- the world is going beyond you---this series is going to fill and over-fill the programs you hate---as parents find out about them---and you can just keep preaching to the aging-hippie--drug-infested-permissive parenting choir that shares a a self-serving  interest in believing that kids will be kids and adults have no say or responsibility in the (often tragic) outcome
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« Reply #176 on: July 21, 2005, 05:08:00 PM »
DId you see the reviews? People are horrified. Why do you think people are watching the show? Similarly rated shows include Fear Factor, Average Joe, and similar shows. It's not about reality, it's about seeing as much drama as possible. I believe you are incorrect. This only shows the world how STUPID the program is. Go check the reviews.
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« Reply #177 on: July 21, 2005, 05:14:00 PM »
Parental responsibility =
Making sure to work on communication with your kids and not ship them off. Making sure that your kids have a safe environment to explore the world, and themselves. Making sure your kids are treated with enough respect that they can learn who they really are, and grow to trust that they can take care of themselves. Making sure that your kids feel safe with expressing their feelings to you and not making them feel as though the only way to get across is to act out, or to simply give up on the relationship as a whole. Not pretending that your child's acting out is 100% their fault and that you are innocent and blameless.

To the poster about parental responsibility:
Grow UP.
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« Reply #178 on: July 21, 2005, 06:25:00 PM »
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"Brat Camp must be reaching parents---and in a way that's pro-program---cuz there's an awful lot of disagreement with the corrent ant-program line on this board these days.





Whadda ya gonna do Antigen--- the world is going beyond you---this series is going to fill and over-fill the programs you hate---as parents find out about them---and you can just keep preaching to the aging-hippie--drug-infested-permissive parenting choir that shares a a self-serving  interest in believing that kids will be kids and adults have no say or responsibility in the (often tragic) outcome

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Guess again Anon.  Brat Camp has done more to hurt the image of wilderness therapy than any aging hippie or drug infested permissive parent (as you call them) could ever do.

Why?

Because it has opened Pandora's Box.  

Millions of people are now seeing what happens to the children of "troubled" parents.  They end up on television being exploited by their own parents and an industry that thrives on treating adolescence as an epidemic.

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« Reply #179 on: July 21, 2005, 06:30:00 PM »
All I can say is brace yourself. If parents ship their kids off to death marches based on this soft-ball version of Sage Walk, they're not likely to be happy w/ the actual "service" they receive. The general public seems to be a bit alarmed even at this less than honest representation of most death march programs. What do you think will happen if a dozen kids die of easily treatable issues all within the same year?

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