A few more words on Kemper that you'll enjoy!

[Anonymous]

Posted by: FTKemper ®
04/18/2005, 18:58:02

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I want all of this caterwauling to stop, on the instant!
OK Boys, listen up, because I?m 185 years old and I?m very tired. I?m also annoyed that I had to ask my good friend Abe Lincoln to borrow his laptop, so I can address this whole mess with the Hinton Brothers and Kemper. Keep in mind, it is very difficult for me to type in the lying down position with the laptop on my chest, and it just took me all morning to learn MS Word.

Boys, I know you love Kemper, and it loves you (as much as an inanimate object is able), and the fact that you want my legacy to live on is a most praiseworthy goal. However, if you wish to regard yourselves as honorable people and credible former students of my school, you will not align yourself with vermin. Pay close attention, especially Mr. Farrell, who lacks a sense of humor as well as the ability to control his rage reflex. Randall Hinton pepper-sprayed a child. Your local constabulary has a filmed record of his admission. Putting aside all of the other proofs people have handed to you, e-mailed you, snail mailed or telephoned you about, that is one absolutely unshakable, horrible event, which should have forever closed the book on this entire venture.  ::bangin::  ::armed::  :wstupid:

In closing, let me just say, that I?m very disappointed that I had to come back to tell you this. I would have thought that your years at Kemper would have stopped, at the threshold level, consideration of such a clearly awful joint-venture, and that humanistic instincts would have outweighed the promise of job-offers, kickbacks or anything else that would have brought students of mine down the ?primrose path?. I?m very angry at all of you and hurt.

B.G. Frederick T. Kemper
KMS 1844-1881  :nworthy:

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Lets face it Alumni of Kemper, our beloved Kemper, is "Dead" & "Buried"! Let her "Rest In Peace" with all the other military schools that fell before us. Let us appreciate and enjoy the memories that we, each had once upon a time and remember the lessons that we each learned as cadets...
Kemper as we knew her, will never, ever be again...

Can't we just leave well enough alone.

Regards,

Sam Manson
Class of 1966

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Mark you suck, and are the Head Nutcase...Thought I would say that. After the last couple of weeks I didn't want you to go Cold Turkey, and feel unloved. I'll say something nice next weeks.
Ray Kendeigh
KMS 77-80

I see this is going to be a bit more difficult that I expected. Truth is gentlemen, that the property I am interested in belongs to the city of Boonville, Mo. (last report I was given) Mr. Hinton and his associates are nowhere near of purchasing your beloved campus, I know this for a fact. Fact of the matter is guys that you all can ague back and forth and do the whole name calling (Idiot I believe was the termI believe in my line of work I have heard worse. I have met with some officials from the state of Missouri and discussed my proposal to them, I was not offcialy rejected or called an idiot thats for sure.
I tell you what I am looking for and that is your support, think about it. I could arrange for a Museum to be built to pay omage to your and once my school. I thought that was one of the future goals from your various organizations. I can make it happen, I guarantee it.

To those who think I am afraid, I am not for very obvious reasons I do wish to remain anonymous until all negotiations are completed, then believe me you will have enough of me to go around.

HAVE A GREAT DAY FOLKS!!!
Morning Mike. Was great to see all of those who showed for the reunion. I honestly thought we'd be turning them away in droves with all of the activity people have been discussing as of late. Anyways, it was a good time, and I had a blast. I am active now, it's true, but I also know that the years up to the fall of the Roman..I mean Kemper empire, I was remiss in attending reunions. More like I'd slip into town, and visit but rarely when we'd gather "en-masse" as alumni. I am not what many would consider a rich person. Not griping mind you, but the choices I made for this life were based on qualities some would understand, while others wouldn't. Anyways, I have great sympathy for those who couldn't find the funds for transcontinental trips to their almamater, as if Kemper was in California, likely as not I'd have a hard time making those trips. It's merely a well aimed move that landed me here so close. It was by no means an accident, as I so loved this area, it was a matter of time before I landed here on a permanent basis.The part you mentioned Mike: "To simply believe the rantings of unfounded and faceless finger pointing, with out doing any fact finding, is typical whining by the lazy," Has struck me as well. I decided that rather than just blowing them off, to try to genuinely persuade them and try to gain allies with logic. Some saw the points I made valid both here, and locally in Boonville. This weekend past has allowed me to speak to the radio personality in Boonville, who told me that he thought I was dead wrong at the get-go, and sings another tune now having met the Hinton's and said "You were right, dead on Mark." It felt good to hear it.
To Branson, I'd like to state that The FOK site being remiss in updating disturbs me as well. Our site for alumni, as long as I draw a breath will never be behind in the times. I see Bill's message up there, and every time-every time it pains me in my heart. What an awesome man he was indeed. However, the new guard at FOK should update the pages, and state clearly and decisively exactly what their goals, intentions, and directions are on a current basis. At least every 6 months or so.
Branson, you shouldn't have to travel to KMS to get updates on the happenings, and for my efforts, I've tried hard to keep a flow of information here regarding all of the goings on. Unfortunately, you'll have to filter through other messages, but it's all pretty much out there. Ray Kendiegh's been putting out a periodical, and you need to know that Ray's only putting in there what's avail. FOK doesn't control him, nor do they funnel information to him, so he does an exemplary job with what little info he's given. I've kept him informed of all of the goings on, and he is tireless in his efforts to work for us all.SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO-? Tell ya' Branson: We're starting a message board to go along with out Kemper Alumni Site. If you want to say stuff on it, please do so. If you want information, it'll be the most we can drum up. The addy will be posted here, and it'll be linked or on the geocities alumni site. (A big thanks to Michael Dundee who's going to help us with the righteous bucks to get this started) But please Branson, don't hold the Alumni Association to what's gone on here and it's timely, or lack of timely and informative nature. I'm just glad there's been a place current or not, where we've been able to talk to each other.
Meeting minutes will be available for everyone, and believe me, your ideas were not only discussed, but have been already presented before this post by board members. So, we are on the same page here with you. And the bickering.. Well, it sucks. I have a hard time saying "nothing at all" when someone says things I find immensely upsetting about myself or others that I know have wonderful hearts towards Kemper. I've been told to ignore things, and God willing, I will do my best to believe that all of you will be able to filter through truths and non-truths without my defending myself. That's a leap of faith though Ian, cause so many come here once in a blue moon, and if they see someone saying something incredible, they might take it a face value-truth, and not know who I am, or a thing about me. But I will do my best from here on out..Promise..
Thank you, for taking the time to post, and remembering Kemper..and finding it of merit to be involved on any level Ian.
Mike, I don't know if they've "failed"..Time will tell. Honestly I don't know what in the heck's going on. The ship hasn't sailed though. We can all maintain that there's possibilities out there, as long as any of us continue to draw a breath. I would consider taking over duties on their board to update their information. I'm not great at this, but honestly I wouldn't know what to post out there, unless they told me. And...there might just not be lots to tell from them. It's a limbo thing unless they can formulate monies and a plan that the IDA will approve.
CSM...sir, you don't need to validate anything with me. I know you're heart is in the right place, and to those of you who can't make the trips because of such reasons, well, we take you there in our hearts. One doesn't have to look hard to see where folks lay in their involvement. The ones who post supportively, and put the Kemper name out there regularly do a fine job from my view. We are working towards a more defined structure of state wide, regional groups that will meet and have their own reunions of Old Boys/Girls, and you might see these chapters popping up soon "at a theater near you". If you, or anyone is interested in starting one, its not complicated. There are no special skills aside from a love for Kemper. You might be surprised to learn there are others near your area that might love to get together at a coffee shop every month or two for a night of shooting the KMS bull. Can contact me if anyone's interested. Day might come when we have these reunions other places than Kemper-proper, and then if we rotate it regionally, it might be so close to your hometown that it would be too hard to miss.
Well everyone, please forgive the length of all this, I just thought it prudent to put it all in one place rather than multiple postings.. And keep an eye out here, and on our alumni site for the new message board folks. Thanks, and I'll be getting together some info to let you know everything that happened this reunion soon.. Mark Farrell KMS-forever

Posted by: Amy Slaughter
04/21/2005, 13:31:23

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 That's unfortunate that they chose money as the reason not to let the deal go through, but at least those people cant abuse anyone's child at our old stomping ground!! It is a relief that they won't be there. Greed always amazes me.

[Anonymous]

Posted by: Amy Slaughter
04/19/2005, 07:20:40

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 I have just spent the last two and a half hours reading about the men who want to aquire Kemper and I am horrified!!! It is nothing but a place to kill spirits and brainwash scared, vulnerable kids!! If this proposition goes through, I will make it my mission to let everyone that I know and every newspaper, magazine, and television outlet in Kansas/Missouri know what kind of inexperienced, unqualified people have control over this property. I will personally email prospective parents to warn them. I cant believe that Boonville would consider letting these parasites into thier town!! How could the FOK even support this?? This is ridiculous and so, so tragic.
 
YOU GO AMY!!!  ::birthday::

[Anonymous]

Just like I said in another thread, the folks of Boonville were not willing to re-open Kemper.  If they had been they would not have gotten sucked into the brainwashing tactics of the critics and the sensationalized newspaper articles.  There were many other ways they could have found that WWASPS programs are truly not abusive, but chose the easy way out and not look any further than their fear.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-04-30 16:12:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Just like I said in another thread, the folks of Boonville were not willing to re-open Kemper.  If they had been they would not have gotten sucked into the brainwashing tactics of the critics and the sensationalized newspaper articles.  There were many other ways they could have found that WWASPS programs are truly not abusive, but chose the easy way out and not look any further than their fear.   "

WWASP program are highly abusive and damaging, and it's a good thing that the people of Boonville realized what kind of organization they were dealing with, instead of enabling WWASP to set up a new torture camp in their town.

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WWASP program are highly abusive and damaging, and it's a good thing that the people of Boonville realized what kind of organization they were dealing with, instead of enabling WWASP to set up a new torture camp in their town. "
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[Antigen]

On 2005-04-30 16:12:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Just like I said in another thread, the folks of Boonville were not willing to re-open Kemper.  If they had been they would not have gotten sucked into the brainwashing tactics of the critics and the sensationalized newspaper articles.  There were many other ways they could have found that WWASPS programs are truly not abusive, but chose the easy way out and not look any further than their fear.   "

Ok, on the "WWASP is abusive" side of the aisle, we have print and broadcast investigative journalists, former students, parents and staff, trained psychologists, damned near every credible cult expert on the planet. On the other side of the ledger we have.... whom, exactly?

A multitude of laws in a country is like a great number of physicians, a sign of weakness and malady.


--Voltaire, philosopher (1694-1778)

[Anonymous]

Hey, if WWASPS or Hinton *really* meant all those promises, why not come to the meeting with a draft contract from their lawyers putting it all in writing with real teeth if they broke those promises?

In business, I've always found that the surest way to convince someone you really do mean something---and the surest way to be sure the other guy really does mean something---is to put it down in writing in the contract.

It's kinda funny how many people make all sorts of promises and then when you start putting those promises in writing in a contract with penalty clauses for defaults---well, they just kinda aren't nearly as eager to sign on anymore.

I would figure Hinton still could have done the deal on Kemper if he'd gone to the Council and said, "Look, all these concerns you have, I'm willing to give your designee 24/7 access to any part of the facility and put all my assurances to your concerns in writing in the contract.  You've got an issue, we'll work out the wording and put it in there, because I'm serious about running a conventional, classic, military school and so I don't have any problem putting this all down in the contract.  You've got a concern, we'll put it in, and we'll put it in with penalty clauses so strong that I and--more importantly--anyone who comes after me would have to be a complete fool to break them.  And so that you can force them to fix the problem if anyone who follows me does somehow screw up."

That's what *I* would have done if I'd been sincere and really wanted to do the deal.

I'd tell them, "I'm not asking you to trust me, and I'm not asking you to make a rushed decision.  If you're not sure, let's defer the decision while we get all your concerns in writing.  I know I've been associated with a fair bit of smoke, but what I'm trying for here is a good thing and I'm willing to tie that down in writing in the contract six ways from Sunday.  If my critics have sincere concerns, then surely they can articulate those concerns in a way that we can put down in writing that that won't happen and give you enough control to make sure that you can be confident you've got sharp enough teeth to fix the problem if somehow one *did* happen."

I'm always suspicious of anyone who'll make me a lot of airy promises but won't put them in writing.

I suppose that came out of being a bit round-heeled in high school and college.  I didn't fall for anywhere near all of them, or even a significant percentage, but I must have heard every line in the book.  

As a middle-aged mom who remembers being a pretty girl, every time I hear someone's airy promises that they're unwilling to give iron-clad legal assurances on, what I hear along with that is, "I'd never do anything to hurt you, baby.  You'd do it if you really loved me."

Those promises sound like a teenage boy trying to get into a girl's pants.

I'm very suspicious of people who want to do business but don't want to put their assurances in writing.

Now, I'm not sure Mr. Hinton or whoever the principles in the proposed Kemper deal were *were* unwilling to put their promises in writing.

I wasn't in on the deal and I really don't know.

All I know is that if *I* were doing a deal that was about to fall through, and if *I* was sincere about my assurances, I would have offered to put them in writing in a way that absolutely assured the person I wanted to do business with that that wouldn't be a problem.

And if I were Shelby or any of the other people being hit with a slap suit over this whole mess, I would bring out *in court* that the plaintiff could have avoided substantially all economic damage in the proposed deal by offering to put his verbal assurances in writing.  And I would get some of the council members who made the decision to testify in court that if the plaintiff had offered to put all assurances in writing with substantial penalty clauses and provisions for the council to check out performance, that the deal would still have been viable.

I don't know if it would have been viable or not.

I just know what *I* would have done if *I* had been trying to cut such a deal and had been negotiating in good faith.

Maybe the prospective purchasers did offer to put the assurances in writing, with serious teeth, and were still turned down.  I don't know.

But I do know that I haven't read word one out of the people cheerleading the prospective purchasers that would indicate that the offer to make those promises strictly financially enforceable, in writing, ever got made to the Council in Booneville.

Anything a business partner won't put in writing amounts to nothing more than, "Aw, you know I love you, baby."

Timoclea