Court ordered..HLA

[RobertBruce]

it was a great deal more than the "2 or 3" Susie is claiming.

[Anonymous]

in my peer group alone 5
i could give out names
i wish devin was here because he knew these kids too and could easily corroborate what i am saying


dan pg 26.

[Troll Control]

i'd say a good 25% were court ordered when i was there.  they had p.o.'s who contacted and updated on their case.  some p.o.'s even visited the campus to see their clients.

if they're saying they don't accept c.o. kids, well, that's not true.

[SHH Anon Classics]

The number is definately not 25%. The majority of kids sent to Hidden Lake are sent by educational consultants.

[RobertBruce]

So you can read but you cant count?

75% is more than 25%.

Thus if 25% of the students at HLA were court ordered the MAJORITY would be sent from an education consultant.

Interestingly enough though, even if it isnt 25%, HLA claims that they dont admitt c.o. kids. Yet this is not true.

Why the lie?

[Anonymous]

It is not actually a lie.  What a judge will often do is suspend a childs sentence until they complete the program.  If the family does not want to take this alternative, the child will then be ordered to a locked facility.  Judges often like to give this option for kids who have committed a minor crime but obviously do not belong in a locked facility.  That is why they offer HLA as an OPTION, not an order.

Kids will come in saying, and possibly truly thinking, that they are court ordered, when technically that is not the case.

[Anonymous]

extend the sentence, order.
what's the difference?
semantics. master of manipulation,
spinning illusions.
like identifying as a private school while
therapy is the primary purpose.
it really would be satisfying to watch you writh with anguish while being forced to take responsibility for your behaviors.
you're all worse than the students.

[RobertBruce]

Very true. All it is is playing with semantics. The kids are told they can either go to HLA or go to jail.

Simply because they had a choice does not mean they werent ordered to be there. They simply had a choice in where they were ordered to go.

And still there are other kids who do fall under the category of having simply been ordered there.

So add that to the lie.

[Troll Control]

On 2005-12-18 11:09:00, RobertBruce wrote:

"Very true. All it is is playing with semantics. The kids are told they can either go to HLA or go to jail.



Simply because they had a choice does not mean they werent ordered to be there. They simply had a choice in where they were ordered to go.



And still there are other kids who do fall under the category of having simply been ordered there.



So add that to the lie. "

This is true.  There are many kids who are mandated into HLA - no semantics or choices.

[WestSideStud2430]

Yes, and there are such who also, at the time of admission got sent to HLA because it was that or jail.  And then I also know that if your counselors even have a remote idea that there's a possibility it could get lifted and/or your parents might want to withdraw you, they will mess with you and put you in situations where you will be made to look like you are a loose cannon and you need a place like HLA.  A counselor tried to do this to one of my best friends who got pulled because his court-order got lifted and his counselor tried to screw him over and tried to contact his probation officer but the kid's parents laid it on his counselor and he successfully got out.  Upon him leaving, his counselor told him "Good luck, you won't last longer than three weeks.  You'll either end up in jail, or dead."  He's been out and is still alive an kickin, not dead, or in jail.   He's been out for about three or four months now.

[RobertBruce]

They tried something very similar to me.

It just shows further that all that really matters to HLA is the bottom line. Money.

[Troll Control]

On 2005-12-18 19:30:00, RobertBruce wrote:

"They tried something very similar to me.



It just shows further that all that really matters to HLA is the bottom line. Money. "

You got that right.

[Troll Control]

On 2005-04-21 06:14:00, revengeofamuffin wrote:

"Most of the kids that are on probation there are on it because they have tried to "walk down the road" or "escape" from the program. They get apprehended, arrested and put on probation.
"

Using the law to supply fodder for the abuse factory.  What a great idea.

[Troll Control]

One consistent theme I have noticed about the supporters of this program is that they are more than happy to engage in nonsensical arguments about people's sexuality, guessing identities, bashing, etc.  

However, they totally and completely avoidany legitimate questions about their own behavior, policy, "discrepencies" between marketing materials and actual practice, sex offenses by employees, or any other serious topic of discussion.

For someone looking for real answers to these serious questions, it seems like a tacit admission to these transgressions.  

I also noticed that their own message board, discusshla.com, is actually not any type of discussion whatsoever.  The editor deletes any and all discussion about the negative aspects of the program to try to make it appear as if there is actually nobody who has ever been dissatisfied with their program.  It seems just to be a marketing tool to advertise, not discuss anything.

If the program is so great, why shut off all dissenting comment?  It looks to the outside observer like the administartion is a bunch of baby Stalinists.

[juniper2]

Grand Larceny, Drug Traffic, Breaking and Entering, Stealing Cars, Etc..This is not light
stuff...