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Offline RobertBruce

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« Reply #165 on: December 19, 2005, 04:38:00 PM »
Yes please stop manipulating and simply acknowledge the truth.
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« Reply #166 on: December 19, 2005, 04:43:00 PM »
yeh, kids that stayed close to home and got community services fared better.
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« Reply #167 on: December 19, 2005, 04:44:00 PM »
Wow!  I didn't expect to get such a harsh response.  I simply am trying to find out what the truth is in regards to the effectiveness of these programs.  No need to accuse or attack.

Where, by the way, does the 96% stat come from?  I would like to see that.
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« Reply #168 on: December 19, 2005, 04:53:00 PM »
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"Wow!  I didn't expect to get such a harsh response.  I simply am trying to find out what the truth is in regards to the effectiveness of these programs.  No need to accuse or attack.



Where, by the way, does the 96% stat come from?  I would like to see that."

WWASP (another BM LGAT program) claims 96% success rate and offers a "warranty."
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« Reply #169 on: December 19, 2005, 05:01:00 PM »
So your not saying that HLA claims a 96% success rate.  That was implied.  Let's try not to be misleading folks.
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« Reply #170 on: December 19, 2005, 05:01:00 PM »
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"Did this study do any comparative studies, matching these kids up against kids with similar issues who received no help.  That is where you will find value of a program.  You have to compare kids that need treatment and don't get it, to kids who need treatment and do get it.  Otherwise you are not viewing the situation clearly."


You are ridiculous.  Here is a study that shows MORE THAN 50% of patients that receive RTC treatment recidivate.  Their numbers show 75%!

The question is not RTC kids vs. untreated kids, IT'S RTC KIDS vs. OUTPATIENT TREATMENT (the appropriate tx for kids capable of functioning at a boarding school).  

READ THE STUDY.  Outpatient tx is effective and costs very little, RTC tx is ineffective or even DAMAGING and is $7000.00/mo.

Even your fancy $7000.00/mo brand of RTC is many times less effective than standard outpatient, community-based tx.

"SURGEON GENERAL WARNS RTC'S HAZARDOUS TO HEALTH"

Your marketing materials should be required to bear this warning.
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« Reply #171 on: December 19, 2005, 05:10:00 PM »
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"So your not saying that HLA claims a 96% success rate.  That was implied.  Let's try not to be misleading folks."


True. But since HLA is a RTC they would appear to fall under the same standards.
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« Reply #172 on: December 19, 2005, 05:13:00 PM »
No.  If HLA were an RTC the state would require them to be licensed as one.  Being that the state does not require that, they are not an RTC.  If you want to argue with the state that is fine.  They have seen the school, many times, and have claimed it not to be an RTC.
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« Reply #173 on: December 19, 2005, 05:17:00 PM »
Oh but we've proven that HLA lies to the state regarding their purpose. Its not hard to dress up and pretend and when the state comes around to take a look.

HLA is a RTC or a theraputic boarding school. Either way they are avoiding state regulations. They do lie to the state and claim they are a traditional boarding school yet advertise differently. This has been proven time and again.

Would you like to try and refute this?
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« Reply #174 on: December 19, 2005, 05:17:00 PM »
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"No.  If HLA were an RTC the state would require them to be licensed as one.



 :lol:  :lol:    NOW who's being naive????
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« Reply #175 on: December 19, 2005, 05:18:00 PM »
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"No.  If HLA were an RTC the state would require them to be licensed as one.  Being that the state does not require that, they are not an RTC.  If you want to argue with the state that is fine.  They have seen the school, many times, and have claimed it not to be an RTC.  "

This is a lie.  Show an inspection report where the state said they weren't an RTC.  Show the proof.  I know you're lying.
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« Reply #176 on: December 20, 2005, 08:26:00 AM »
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"I think it depended on the counselor, when I left HLA they told me that they would fire my counselor if I came back. Then they fired him and I still refused to go back, they (higher staff) told me how sorry they were for the way he treated me. My folks weren't happy that I sent almost three months sleeping on the floor because I was restricting my food. That was one of the reasons I was there, don't fucking punish me for issues I came to fix. I think the abuse, if any was mental. I was fucked up after HLA though, lots of trust issues. I was like, I'm not going anywhere or admitting anything-somebody's going to come into my room at 3am and take me away! People just looked at me like I was crazy, there like your eighteen, nobody's going to put you away.


http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuse ... 2193964187





Stew, some of what you said is true--you're right, we do have the opportunity to choose our own paths. I believe in that whole hartedly, but HLA made me feel like every choice I made was manipulated by authority. I felt like I could never really trust the motives of staff, were they making me stand out in the cold rain late at night because they really wanted to heal my wounds?? I went to another program after HLA, they were horrified by the stories I had from HLA. You can't punish someone's pain out of them.


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Okay, can any of you apologists defend this? Please post any research that would support standing in the cold rain late at night or sleeping on the floor for 3 months as an appropriate treatment for an eating disorder.





This young woman is wiser than her degreed counselors and the policy makers at HLA when she states, "You can't punish someone's pain out of them."


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Talk about unethical practices and manipulation.  "We'll fire your counselor if you come back"?  Are you fucking JOKING me?  If they committed a firable offense (which they CLEARLY DID), why were they not summarily shitcanned?  What the hell does a patient have to do with these decisions?  Why would management use that as a manipulation chip?



Every new story I hear out of this place is more disturbing than the last."

Why do the HLA groupies avoid answering the meaningful questions like this one?  We're still waiting to hear why it's ok to manipulate patients, but patients that speak out about abuses are negatively labeled "manipulators."
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« Reply #177 on: December 20, 2005, 07:32:00 PM »
Still waiting.  I love how the incessant trolling stops when serious questions are asked and the thread goes dormant.  The trolls love to have meaningless arguments to keep off the subject.
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« Reply #178 on: December 20, 2005, 09:02:00 PM »
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"Still waiting.  I love how the incessant trolling stops when serious questions are asked and the thread goes dormant.  The trolls love to have meaningless arguments to keep off the subject."

Yup...trolls refuse to answer perfectly legitimate questions and vanish when they have no valid counter argument. Glad I didnt decide to hold my breath waiting for a response.  :roll:
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« Reply #179 on: December 20, 2005, 09:33:00 PM »
Take that to mean that you are right, and they are weak and afraid of the truth.
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