Hyde Schools

[Oppositional Defiance]

Is anybody here familiar at all with the Hyde Schools in Bath, Maine and Woodstock, Connecticut? I went to the school in Woodstock. That place was fucking insane. I haven't found anything on it yet so people now's your chance to speak up about it and maybe we can get some of this stuff off our chests.

Thanks
O-P-P
(Yeah, you know me)

[Anonymous]

There is a long thread here:

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=469&forum=9

[tommyfromhyde1]

I agree with your assesment although Hyde never
QUITE reaches the level of abuse of most of the
programs disscussed on these boards (i.e. it's
not a lockdown facility). I was there for about
5 months in 1976 and ran away in January '77.
I was in Bath as there was no campus in Conn.
in those days. BTW I don't recommend hitchhiking
from Maine to Long Island in January. :scared:
 Anyway do they still make people dig 6'x6'x6'
holes and fill them back in again over and over,
scrub floors with toothbrushes, ect. ? I also
remember a bit o' fun and games called "shadow"
in which a kid is required to follow a senior
around forbidden to talk to anyone and otherwise
very publicly not exist.
 My info is 29 years old so I'd love to hear
about some of the more current practices.
           Thanks,
             Tommy

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[tommyfromhyde1]

While we're on the topic of Hyde...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/custom ... e&n=507846
Peace,
Tommy

The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled.
-- Plutarch

[Anonymous]

On 2005-04-03 17:29:00, tommyfromhyde1 wrote:

" While we're on the topic of Hyde...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/custom ... e&n=507846

Peace,

Tommy

The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled.
-- Plutarch

"

Why not write a review?

[Oppositional Defiance]

Hyde... the "Cadillac" of turnaround schools. Yeah, they still make students shadow eachother, they still fuck around with people for no good reason and put them on 2-4 for having "bad attitudes" and they still manage to suck the fun out of every human activity under the sun. The academics is still shit, the good teachers leave as soon as they get in the door once they see what's going on in the place; the only teachers that stick around are the people who do it for a fucking paycheck or the ones who are dumb and sadistic enough to "buy in". The place is run like communist Russia, and those who cause too much trouble get sent to "outpost" or Redcliff. I would like to have another forum, one for Hyde. Any takers?

[Anonymous]

On 2005-04-05 10:20:00, Oppositional Defiance wrote:

"those who cause too much trouble get sent to "outpost" or Redcliff."

Is there some tie-up, financial or otherwise, between Hyde and RedCliff Ascent?  I see Hyde is advertized on the RedCliff website as a "Traditional Boarding School".

[tommyfromhyde1]

I see Hyde is advertized on the RedCliff website as a "Traditional Boarding School"."

 Anon, Hyde gets away with the "traditional
boarding school" business because they've been
clever about mixing "non-gulag" kids into their
student body. First, faculty members are required
to enroll their high school-age kids at Hyde.
Second, Hyde recruits talented jocks from the
ghetto with promises of an education at an "elite
prep school". These first two groups attend Hyde
at no charge as "scholarship" students. Third,
parents of the more traditional gulag school kids
are expected to send ALL of their high school-age
kids to Hyde - at full price of course.
 These three groups taken together slightly outnumber
the gulag school kids and tend to be the enforcers.
 Hope that clears up any confusion on the "prep
school" issue.
 OD, I'd like to see a Hyde board too. Haven't
proposed it because until you started posting I
didn't see all that many Hyde people on Fornits
and most of those seemed only to post once.

Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you recognize a mistake when you make it again.
-- F. P. Jones

[Anonymous]

Yes, I knew that.  You have mentioned it before, hence the quotes.  I was more interested about the connection with RedCliff Ascent.  I think RedCliff would have been after your time.  Perhaps OD knows?

[Oppositional Defiance]

As far as the connection between Hyde and Redcliff Ascent goes, most likely they are NOT under the same management, however they DO appear to have a very strong business relationship. 90% of people I knew when I was there who came to Hyde from a wilderness/reform/brainwashing camp came there from Redcliff Ascent. Likewise, children who got on 2-4 too much were _always_ sent to Redcliff as a last resort. Usually they would be sent to outpost first, which is within the Hyde business and keeps the money in the same pool, but after outpost they would be sent to Redcliff. I have never been to Outpost, but from what people have told me the 7 day excursion consists of a very heavy exercise regimen, strict discipline, and physical labor. Redcliff, of course, lasts for at least 2 months and is a deathmarch through the Utah desert. Escorts would come to Hyde and surprise the kids, usually while they were being held in Dean's Area, cuff them and haul them off. Speaking of Dean's Area, in order to obtain more confessions, they would put a kid in a classroom with the heater turned all the way up and leave them there at a desk with a sheet of paper and a pencil. They had to write down everything they knew, not only about what "ethics" they had personally broken, but ethics their friends had broken, ethics they have heard secondhand about being broken from other people, and even rumors about ethic breaking. If there were things that the student hadn't written down yet, or even if it was _suspected_ that the kid still had more to spill, the dean or dean assistant would give them back the paper and leave them in the room for a few more hours, or put heavy pressure on them, or use intimidation, until they had extracted what they wanted to see written down. One time I was sent on 2-4 because my SONOFABITCH "friend" Rob Ebling ratted out to Dean's Area that I told him that I knew that Jesse Wang had cigarrettes. This was during a "bust". During a bust sometimes half the fucking school would be on 2-4. I say we get our own forum for Hyde School. This could be very useful in taking down Hyde, as it still exists.

OD

[tommyfromhyde1]

OD, hate to sound like a moron but are Redcliff
Ascent and CEDU Ascent two different companies?

Our Constitution is in actual operation; everything appears to promise that it will last; but in this world nothing is certain but death and taxes.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0300001479/circlofmiamithem' target='_new'> Ben Franklin Letter to M. Leroy, 1789.

[tommyfromhyde1]

BTW, if there was a Hyde board would it be more
likely to show up on a Google search for "Hyde School"?
When I search for it I don't see Fornits at all.

Given the choice between dancing pigs and security, people will choose dancing pigs every time.
-- Ed Felton (quoted in www-security about Active-X)

[Dr Fucktard]

Hyde School

[Oppositional Defiance]

On 2005-04-07 09:02:00, tommyfromhyde1 wrote:

"OD, hate to sound like a moron but are Redcliff

Ascent and CEDU Ascent two different companies?

Redcliff Ascent and CEDU are completely different. CEDU's ASCENT program has nothing to do with redcliff, although from the gist of what I got from my peers who had been there, at least they didn't brainwash the kids too bad there, I think. No such luck at Cedu's ASCENT, where I was sent. Oh well...

Also, I haven't been able to find a Hyde board on the internet, and I surmise that there is no Hyde board. It would help tremendously to have a Hyde forum here, as this site deals with ALL coercive thought reform adolescent programs, and Hyde refugees and posters to other forums alike will benefit from the solidarity in bringing this industry to its knees and getting a little "accountability" for these sons of bitches.

Hoo-Yah!

SEMPER FI!!!!

OD

[tommyfromhyde1]

OD, on the thread linked above, I said that 2-4
lasted for months and a pro-Hyde poster said I
was full of it. Seems like "outpost" and the
relationship with Redcliff has changed what 2-4
is all about since I was there in '76. When I was
there one was put on 2-4 for about a month and
then was moved to a modified work crew called
"am-pm". This meant that you did work crew from
I think 5am till breakfast, went to classes and
stuff, then did work crew again till lights out
around 10 or 11. That DID last for months. Also,
if someone wasn't working out at Hyde the usual
outcome was for the kid to simply run away, we
usually had a runner every couple of weeks. When
that happened, Hyde simply told your parents to
throw you out of the house. Sounds like the
"escorts" show up before it gets to that point
these days. This "Dean's Area" business is also
new to me BTW.
Thanks for clearing up the difference between the
two Ascents BTW. The similar names had me confused. :smile:
Could you tell what you know about "outpost" as
Hyde didn't have that in '76?
Thanks,
Tommy

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