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« on: March 17, 2005, 10:11:00 PM »
http://www.strugglingteens.com/news/nat ... iples.html
They are moving forward with their mission to 'self regulate'. The average parent is not going to know that NATSAP is composed of program owners, that there are no sanctions for violations (except to be kicked out of the club), and that while these 'regulations' appear sufficient on the surface, they are watered down versions of the better state regs and just vague enough to leave a lot of room for their 'special touches'. In effect, they have 'rewritten' state regs to suit themselves.

New Announcement:
Ethical Principals
http://www.strugglingteens.com/news/nat ... iples.html
Highlight- 11. Fully disclose to prospective candidates the nature of services, benefits, risks, and costs.

Principals of Good Practice
http://www.strugglingteens.com/news/nat ... iples.html
Highlight- 1.0 ADHERENCE TO STATE AND FEDERAL LAWS
The program/school shall adhere to all applicable state and federal laws in conducting the operation, including administration, hiring and employee practices, observance of safety regulations, and the care of program participants.

And

2.4.2 Represent facts truthfully to program participants and third- party payers.

And, don't miss Participants Rights on that page.

Behavior Support Management
http://www.strugglingteens.com/news/nat ... pport.html
Highlight- 4.4.2 Therapeutic holds should not exceed 30 minutes. If a program participant, placed in a therapeutic hold, is unable to regain control within 30 minutes and the procedure needs to be extended beyond the 30 minutes, the therapeutic hold then rises to the level of a special treatment procedure.
Special Treatment Procedures refer to a specific class of behavioral interventions that restrict the free movement of a child by mechanical or physical means for a prolonged period of time when the child becomes a danger to self and/or others, is destructive of property, or is a serious disruption to the therapeutic environment. Specifically, those interventions are referred to as seclusion, restraint, or more than 30 minutes of a physical hold.
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« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2005, 10:19:00 PM »
PS
More on the creation of NATSAP and it's infamous members in the Struggling Teens thread.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... m=40#88249
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« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2005, 10:45:00 PM »
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On 2005-03-17 19:11:00, Deborah wrote:

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http://www.strugglingteens.com/news/nat ... iples.html
They are moving forward with their mission to 'self regulate'. The average parent is not going to know that NATSAP is composed of program owners, that there are no sanctions for violations (except to be kicked out of the club), and that while these 'regulations' appear sufficient on the surface, they are watered down versions of the better state regs and just vague enough to leave a lot of room for their 'special touches'. In effect, they have 'rewritten' state regs to suit themselves.


I have to respectfully argue with you on this. I'm not sure that state regs are necessarily any better than this. Given my experience, why should I believe that? I'm reminded of Nietzsche aphorism "Distrust all in whom the impulse to punish is powerful". (that goes double for the industry, but they're reading from the same script)

Consumer Union Report has become a touchstone for many industries. Who knows? In another 90 years or so, NATSAP could become a credible source of consumer info.

But I don't think that will happen for two main reasons. #1, if this industry were cleaned up, it wouldn't exist. I believe that. The entire industry exists to sell illusions to parents. Close scrutiny shatters illusions, and so there would be no stock in trade.

Reason #2: In another 20 or 30 years, there will be enough program vets in the business of raising kids that there won't be a market for these illusions, even w/o a competent consumer watchdog group. Ask around, as I have, and you'll find that even people who swear the Program saved their lives don't put their own kids in a program.

This is a fad like blood letting or snake oil. It'll die out, crumbling under it's own weight. I still think it's worthwhile to try and hasten that process, though.

 

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« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2005, 11:57:00 PM »
For what they are worth (big disclaimer), some states actually have decent regs. I've read a number of them. The problem is compliance, which will be no different with these 'gentlemens agreements' composed by NATSAP members.

May the fad die a much quicker death.
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« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2005, 02:56:00 PM »
These are just some[/b] of the "professional affiliations" listed on various programs on the programs listing page of the NATSAP website.


American Association of Children's Residential Centers
http://www.aacrc-dc.org/

National Association of Psychiatric Health Systems
http://www.naphs.org/

National Private Schools Accreditation Alliance
http://www.npsag.com/

Outdoor Behavioral Industry Council
http://www.obhic.com/

Independent Educational Consultants Association
http://www.educationalconsulting.org/

State Boarding Schools Association
http://www.sbsa.org.uk/

North Central Association Commission on Accreditation and School Improvement
http://www.ncacasi.org/

The National Association of Therapeutic Wilderness Camps
http://www.natwc.org/

Association for Experiential Education
http://www.aee2.org/customer/pages.php?pageid=28

AEE
Therapeutic Adventure Professional Group (TAPG)
http://www.geocities.com/aee_tapg/tapg.html

SECONDARY SCHOOL ADMISSION TEST BOARD
"To Support the Secondary School Admission Process"
http://www.ssatmembers.org/

National Association of Addiction Treatment Providers
http://www.naatp.org/home.php

The International Association of Eating Disorders Professionals
http://www.iaedp.com/

American Holistic Health Association
http://ahha.org/

Alliance Counteracting Alcohol and Tobacco Advertising
http://www.cosancadd.org/acata.shtml

Association of Halfway House Alcoholism Programs of North America, Inc.
http://www.ahhap.org/


UACARP  ???  can't find any info.

UPPN   ???  can't find any info

Utah Private Providers Association  ???  no info








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« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2005, 05:13:00 PM »
Montana cites NATSAP under pressure to create regulations.

http://www.strugglingteens.com/news/mon ... 50319.html
MONTANA LEGISLATIVE ACTIVITIES

By: John Madsen MSW
Admissions Director
Alternative Youth Adventures
Boulder, Montana
406 439 4524
http://www.strugglingteens.com/news/news.html ). The State agency, DPHHS, cited a need for state oversight of children in out-of-home care and a need for Montana to follow other states in licensing these types of programs because some programs were reportedly coming to Montana to avoid licensing in other states. Reportedly, the programs migrating to Montana were avoiding regulation in states such as Wyoming, Idaho, Colorado & Utah. DPHHS reasoned that while the licensing regulations may require additional staff and money to regulate the programs, if a serious incident occurs at one of the programs, they may be vulnerable to legal actions.

Both sides agreed that there was a need for oversight and both agreed that most programs and outcomes were generally very successful. It was thought that only a few programs are possibly problematic.

The actions of the Montana Legislature will be closely watched. The State?s DPHHS?s point of view is that while registering and licensing would be expensive for Montana, possible legal action from private parties are a real threat and potentially more costly. They believe that they have the responsibility to protect children being cared for within the State. Their thinking is that if the State does not provide oversight of programs within the State, the potential for injuries, abuse, accidents, and other serious incidents perhaps are more likely to occur.

The provider group, on the other hand, opposes being licensed by a large state entity, believing that their creativity and uniqueness will be lost. Furthermore, they believe that the information contained in the white paper is slanted in a manner that does not recognize and understand the private pay industry.

Montana and providers within the State are now in the middle of a very interesting and difficult struggle. It needs to be remembered that Montana has some of the most effective and well thought out programs in the country. Montana Academy, Explorations, Chrysalis, Mission Mountain, Wilderness Treatment, Intermountain Children?s Home, and Monarch are known to be some of the best in the country. This is indicated by them consistently receiving high positive marks and comments from the most successful and highly trained independent educational consultants throughout the country in the annual survey conducted by Woodbury Reports. Others, like Summit Preparatory have not been in existence long enough to establish a national presence, but show great promise. Still others like Galena Ridge and Building Bridges remain small, but provide excellent services for youth of this country.

As difficult as this struggle is, Montana has the opportunity to thoroughly study the issue, and hopefully arrive at a level of understanding and enlightenment that will provide protection to children and at the same time lead the country in appreciating and respecting the private sector?s ability to develop creative and effective programs for youth. Private sector programs operate under different dynamics than public sector programs. We do not want to lose programs of this caliber in an attempt to impose the same processes as have been developed for Montana children in public programs. We encourage the State of Montana to study this issue and show leadership throughout the country in developing an enlightened process that will both protect the public and encourage new ideas and approaches to helping youth.

Copyright 2005, Woodbury Reports, Inc
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« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2005, 07:47:00 PM »
Contact:
Jan Moss
Executive Director
928-443-9505
Website

December 9, 2005

Rosemary Tippett Accepts Offer To Be New Director Of Development At NATSAP

Prescott, AZ?The National Association of Therapeutic Schools and Programs is pleased to announce that Rosemary Tippett, of Three Springs, Inc. has accepted an offer to fill the newly created position of Director of Development for NATSAP. Rosemary Tippett has been committed to the growth and development of NATSAP since its inception. Her professional training, and expertise in development, marketing skills and knowledge of NATSAP will enable her to be a knowledgeable spokesperson and excellent representative for the organization. She will be charged with developing an increased awareness of the organization and the fine work that member programs accomplish for troubled youth in America.

Three Springs, Inc. is generously supporting NATSAP by contributing substantially to funding the Director of Development position and allowing Rosemary to be ?on loan? to NATSAP. Both Three Springs, Inc. and Rosemary realize the need to further develop NATSAP as a national organization.

NATSAP is an association of one hundred and fifty-four (154) boarding schools, residential treatment centers, wilderness programs and group homes in thirty-one states all committed to improving the quality of care delivered to children and their families in need of out of home residential placement.
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« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2006, 06:51:00 PM »
ARGHHHHH!!! This is so frustrating.  

3.5.3 any behavior support intervention that is implemented by another program participant without the expressed consent of a staff member

So, WTF- this means that, with staff consent, A PROGRAM PARTICIPANT CAN IMPLEMENT A BEHVAIOR SUPPORT INTERVENTION???  NATSAP is such a Joke!
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« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2006, 06:54:00 PM »
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On 2005-03-21 14:13:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Montana cites NATSAP under pressure to create regulations.



http://www.strugglingteens.com/news/mon ... 50319.html
Montana and providers within the State are now in the middle of a very interesting and difficult struggle. It needs to be remembered that Montana has some of the most effective and well thought out programs in the country. Montana Academy, Explorations, Chrysalis, Mission Mountain, Wilderness Treatment, Intermountain Children?s Home, and Monarch are known to be some of the best in the country. This is indicated by them consistently receiving high positive marks and comments from the most successful and highly trained independent educational consultants throughout the country in the annual survey conducted by Woodbury Reports.
Copyright 2005, Woodbury Reports, Inc

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I contacted John Maden, his wife expressed to me frustration when I expressed to her that Mission Mountain School was a program which mistreated youth and was run by John Mercer, who didn't even have a degree related to counseling, etc.  Ed Cons can say whatever, parents half the time don't even know their kids are being mistreated until years later, if ever!
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« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2006, 07:10:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-16 15:51:00, Anonymous wrote:

"ARGHHHHH!!! This is so frustrating.  



3.5.3 any behavior support intervention that is implemented by another program participant without the expressed consent of a staff member



So, WTF- this means that, with staff consent, A PROGRAM PARTICIPANT CAN IMPLEMENT A BEHVAIOR SUPPORT INTERVENTION???  NATSAP is such a Joke!"


I didn't tell him to punch the other kid in the face.  He did it on his own.  I'm covered.  :roll:
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« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2006, 01:36:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-16 15:51:00, Anonymous wrote:

"ARGHHHHH!!! This is so frustrating.  



3.5.3 any behavior support intervention that is implemented by another program participant without the expressed consent of a staff member



So, WTF- this means that, with staff consent, A PROGRAM PARTICIPANT CAN IMPLEMENT A BEHVAIOR SUPPORT INTERVENTION???  NATSAP is such a Joke!"


One could argue that this was intended to let staff call on other students to temporarily restrain another student in danger of hurting themself or others, pending arrival of other staff, but it sure doesn't read as so limiting.  Even a person who thinks some programs do good things has to pause at this!
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« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2006, 04:49:05 PM »
Montana PBS Documentary: Who's Watching The Kids?

There are more than 30 privately run schools for troubled youth operating in the state of Montana. They employ more than 600 people and pump an estimated 4 million into the state income taxes. It's an exploding industry, but strangely, most Montanans have no idea the schools even exist. In this hour-long documentary, MontanaPBS explores a lucrative industry praised for its novel approach to reforming youth, yet shrouded in disturbing allegations of abuse and neglect.

Airs Thursday 9/14 at 7pm, repeats Saturday 9/16 at 4:30pm and Sunday 9/17 at 8:30am
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« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2006, 08:03:47 PM »
I'd love to watch it but unfortunately that is one channel I do not get!
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« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2007, 12:11:56 PM »
Press Releases
Posted: Mar 31, 2007
07:33  
National Association Of Therapeutic Schools And Programs (NATSAP)
Prescott, Arizona

NATSAP Increases Membership Requirements
For information:
Rosemary Tippett
770-435-8464
www.natsap.org).

To be considered for full membership status, programs and schools must have operated for more than two years. Current NATSAP members must achieve the new standards by January 1, 2009. NATSAP will provide assistance to new and member programs wishing to qualify.

"NATSAP remains dedicated to a leadership role in improving the standards of our profession," said Tippet.
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Why two years? Provisional licenses allow programs to operate for varying timeframes until they come into compliance. They should all be required to apply for licenses before the end of 2007. That's plenty of time. Actually very generous, give they've all been operating in violation of the law, and some for over a decade.
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Hidden Lake Academy, after operating 12 years unlicensed will now be monitored by the state. Access information on the Federal Class Action lawsuit against HLA here: http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=17700