Sierra Tuscon? Anyone?

[dfaassen]

Just heard about a place called Sierra Tuscon, will research, but does anyone have an opinion on this place?  Haven't heard it discussed here.

[Anonymous]

I'm pretty sure a lot of people here is going to tell you to just not send your kid off somewehre.

I'm one of those people. Find out-patient treatment and try to build a bond. Breaking isn't gonna help and neither is captivity.

[White Cracker Man]

I think you mean Sierra Tucson. i did a search on it and did not find much. Their website is very vague.  I can tell you they are located in the mountains near Tucson, Arizona.   They also found out thy treat adults. Actually I dont even know if they take under 18. I  say that because one site reccomended it for over 18 treatment. They claim to treat lots  of stuff. From cigarette addiction to sex addiction. They also hold Quality Of LIFE Workshops. That is all the info I found in my search. Like the above poster, I would very strongly suggest looking into other alternatives. I do not know the problem or the concieved problem. So I can not comment further. All of that might be moot anyways, the program might be 18 and up only. How old is this person that is being discussed?

[Anonymous]

Captivity (locked up against her will) and having a bunch of untrained morons having their way with your kid isn't gonna help a damn thing.

Think about what you're doing. Giving up your child to a bunch of people you don't know and you can't even go check up on her or talk to her on the phone.

A LOT of abuse happens in these places. Try asking some people who went there. Think about whats in her interest from her perspective.

[Anonymous]

Sierra Tucson is a basic 12 step, Minnesota Model Hazelden Betty Ford type place-- or at least it was in the past.  Which means, it can include confrontational counseling and some uneducated counsellors, but mostly they just make you go to a lot of AA meetings and work on "relapse prevention." Usually treatment for 30 days.

If you happen to want to get better and buy the 12 step model, it's fine.  If you hate the steps, probably not for you.

Last I heard, it was an adult treatment center.

[cherish wisdom]

Narc annon and Alcoholics Anonymous are free meetings. I don't know if you have tried any of these yet. If not - you should take your daughter.
Here's what I did to get my kid off of drugs.
1) took her out of school and into an independent study program at her high school.
2) monitored all phone calls
3) litterally told friend who used drugs and alcohol to stop contacting her or face a restraining order - and report to their parents about everything I know about their "activities."
4) Limited her contact and activities
5) Did not allow her to date or associate with anyone who we did not know well enough.  
6) Had established curfews - very strict.
7) No driver's license until sober for 6 months.
:cool: Must go to church every Sunday
9) Must wear modest clothing
10) Work at least three days per week
11) AA meetings evrey day for first three months then three times a week.
12) Contact with AA sponcer daily
13) Random drug and alcohol screening
14) Weekly psychological counseling and therapy
15) Get therapy yourself - realize that you and the family may be part of the problem
16) Work on correcting family problems and dynamics.
17) Stop enabling your child.
18) Trust your instincts about friends and activities - if you feel that it is not quite right - go with that.

These are just a few of the things we did to help her after her experience at Provo Canyon School.
So far she has been clean and sober for 8 months.

It's not easy for a parent to do all of these things. It's much more convienent to place your problem child in one of these programs. Unfortunately they may be severely abused and traumatized.

Marijuana clearly has medicinal value.
 Thousands of seriously ill Americans have
 been able to determine that for themselves,
 albeit illegally. Like my own family, these
 individuals did not wish to break the law but
 they had no choice.
 

--Lyn Nofziger, former deputy chairman of the Republican National Committee

[Anonymous]

Narcanon = scientology

Narcotics Anonymous, NA is the free self help group!

You do NOT NOT NOT want to have people confuse these two!

[Nihilanthic]

Stop enabling? What do you mean by that?

[Anonymous]

On 2004-06-17 21:24:00, Nihilanthic wrote:

"Stop enabling? What do you mean by that?"

"Enabling"---It's family therapy jargon for the behaviors, for example, that families of an alcoholic do that support the drinking behavior of the alcoholic.

For example, if the husband is the drunk, and the wife keeps the kids quiet when he's hung over, lies for him to keep him out of trouble for being drunk (work, extended family, that kind of thing), runs the errands he blows off when he's drunk, buys his booze, cleans up his puke-----all that supports his bad drinking behavior and makes him more able to continue that behavior.

It's behavior that *enables* him to drink.

Hence, whenever anybody's on the fast track to self-destruction in whatever way, any behaviors from other people that kind of keep that person limping along on the process of self-destructing are "enabling."

So, basically, if your kid comes home at four in the morning on a school night drunk as a skunk and won't roll out of bed for school the next day, you don't wake him up and you don't write him an excuse-----you let the school find out and punish him for skipping school however they're gonna, and you punish him for what he did (ground him, whatever).

You don't shield him from whatever it is the school's gonna do---that's enabling.

If he gets himself expelled and has to go to alternative school at night, it's his own doing.

(Alternatively, you kick his butt out of bed and dump him at the school door unshowered in jeans and a t-shirt and let him tough it out through the day instead of letting him sleep it off and take the consequences).

What you *don't* do is anything that supports the bad behavior.

That's what she means by "stop enabling"----stop doing things that enable the family member to continue the bad behavior.

Timoclea

[Anonymous]

My brother went there at 25 for herion addiction. It helped save his life! It helped our family by having "family week" which made us face our own issues in regard to his addictions. But it really did a world of good for him...at least from my point of view. He may say somehting different. But it is a serious facility for people with serious probelms. It didn't seem like the kind of place for an young adult who is just mixed up.
Plus it was VERY expensive. But worth it for his life.
Hope this helps