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« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2005, 09:52:00 PM »
I just find it so hard to believe that anyone in their right mind would indicate that Haldol helps children - perhaps it may help some with SEVERE psychosis - but the side effects are not worth it.....Before making a claim do a little research because you really sound ignorant :wstupid:

ANTI-PSYCHOTIC AGENTS
Use of anti-psychotic agents should generally be reserved for children with serious disorders, characterized by excessive agitation, aggressiveness, or psychosis. These medications can cause major short- and long-term side effects, so they should only be used when a situation is serious enough to risk these side effects. Other names for antipsychotics are neuroleptics, major tranquilizers, and phenothiazines.

Trade Names: Thorazine, Chloramead, Chlordryprom, Chlor Promanyl, Largactil, Promachlor, Promapar, Promosol, Terpium, Sonazine

Side Effects: Sleepiness, irritability, dry mouth, swollen abdomen, blood abnormalities, liver abnormalities, skin reactions, light sensitivity, dystonic, muscle spasm and stiffness, nasal stuffiness, constipation, Parkinson-like tremors. Long-term effects - changes in skin color, cataracts, tardive dyskinesia

Generic Name: Chlorpromazine

Why Prescribed: Severe anxiety, agitation, aggression, psychosis

Comments: Used with caution in children with seizure disorders.


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Trade Name: Haldol

Side Effects: Stiffness, sleepiness, irritability, dry mouth, swollen abdomen, blood abnormalities, liver abnormalities, skin reactions, light sensitivity, changes in skin coloring with high doses over long time, cataracts, tardive dyskinesia. Parkinson-like tremors

Generic Name: Haloperidol

Why Prescribed: Severe anxiety, agitation, aggresion, psychosis, Tourette's Syndrome (multiple tics)

Comments: Used with caution in childrenwith seizure disorders.
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« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2005, 10:04:00 PM »
The licensed professionals like the one at the Anon's son's school. Why should I have to provide a million links?There are many School Psycologists who advocate the use of Haldol in children. That is why we are even discussing this topic.It will not kill any kid, it will get him to be in a better position to learn and have a better social life.
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« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2005, 10:27:00 PM »
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On 2005-03-13 19:04:00, BSarro wrote:

"The licensed professionals like the one at the Anon's son's school. Why should I have to provide a million links?There are many School Psycologists who advocate the use of Haldol in children. That is why we are even discussing this topic.It will not kill any kid, it will get him to be in a better position to learn and have a better social life.
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So you expect us to produce 'evidence' of what the professionals are saying, but you don't have to.  Hmmm.  That says quite a bit.

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« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2005, 10:28:00 PM »
Death CAN OCCUR with HALDOL - it's not recommended for children....
I'd rather have a hyperactive child than a dead child -
http://www.walnet.org/llf/drugs/haldol.html#start

Sudden death is a (rare) possibility with Haldol.

"This is one of a group of psychiatric drugs which causes a serious and sometimes fatal reaction called Neuroleptic Malignant Syndrome. It may cause body temperature raising, rigid muscles and coma (passing out), rapid heart beat and breathing, sweating, shaking and seizures. The death rate is 20%.

Haldol causes brain and eye damage with long-term use. With epilepsy, it can change the pattern of seizures."

Children are sensitive to the nervous system reactions of this drug.


Haldol (Haloperidol)

CATEGORY
ANTIPSYCHOTIC/NEUROLEPTIC DRUGS


USUAL DOSE
1 injection every 4 weeks
0.5-2 mg 2 or 3 x a day up to 30 mg a day

maximum: 100 mg a day

children: not specified

elderly: lower dose

FOR
chronic schizophrenia and other psychoses
major tranquilizer

control of hyperactive behaviour in children

SHOULD NOT BE USED OR SHOULD BE USED CAREFULLY WHEN THERE IS
use of drugs for depression (within 14 days)
use of tranquilizers, drugs for tension (within 14 days)

use of other antipsychotic/neuroleptic drugs

use of lithium, levodopa

use of sedatives, sleeping pills, pain killers

use of alcohol

use of antacids

alcohol withdrawal

coma (passed out)

severe depression

Parkinson's disease or Parkinson's-like symptoms

epilepsy

diabetes

liver or kidney disease

bone marrow or blood cell disease

heart disease, low blood pressure

glaucoma

thyroid disease

lupus

brain damage

allergies, especially to other drugs

pregnancy, nursing

breast cancer

surgery



USE OF THIS DRUG MAY CAUSE
often:
severe withdrawal symptoms
strengthening the effects of alcohol

increases effect of other drugs, especially sedatives

Parkinson-like symptoms: shakiness, lack of muscle co-ordination, muscle stiffness

restlessness, sleeplessness

drowsiness

blurred eyesight

dry mouth

constipation

urination problems

confusion, lack of judgement

sometimes:
tardive dyskinesia: uncontrolled movements of the tongue, mouth, arms and legs, which may be permanent and may come after stopping the drug

increased psychotic symptoms

changes in mood and behaviour

anxiety, excitement, agitation, restlessness

depression

weakness, being tired, sleeplessness

fever

headache

dizziness, fainting

internal and external spasms

in epileptics: seizures

in the elderly: no thirst sensation, leading to pneumonia

heart problems, heart attack

low white blood cell counts, causing infections

irregular pulse or blood pressure

liver disease

stomach problems, loss of appetite

nausea, vomiting, diarrhea

bloating

skin rash, sensitivity to sun

eye damage

impotence (20%), painful, continuous erection

breast swelling (male and female)

menstrual problems

rarely:
death, sometimes sudden, from any of these causes: disordered body temperature

bone marrow poisoning

convulsions

blood clots

paralysis of the intestines

cardiac arrest (heart stoppage)

despair leading to suicide

vomiting into lungs*

* (30% of psychiatric patient deaths)



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REMEMBER

This drug should be used only when there is no other choice.

Sudden death is a (rare) possibility with Haldol.

This is one of a group of psychiatric drugs which causes a serious and sometimes fatal reaction called Neuroleptic Malignant Syndrome. It may cause body temperature raising, rigid muscles and coma (passing out), rapid heart beat and breathing, sweating, shaking and seizures. The death rate is 20%.

Haldol causes brain and eye damage with long-term use. With epilepsy, it can change the pattern of seizures.

This drug is eliminated in breast milk and affects an unborn child. It should not be given to nursing or pregnant women.

Children are sensitive to the nervous system reactions of this drug.

Avoid overheating your body in the sun, saunas, hot baths, etc.

Tell your nurse, doctor, pharmacist or dentist about any other drugs you are taking before any new treatment. Check with them before you take any medicine, even if it isn't a prescription drug.

There is no known treatment for tardive dyskinesia (TD). The brain damage done with this drug can be permanent. If symptoms appear, the drug must be stopped. One of the early signs of TD is a "worm-like" movement of the tongue. Stop the drug and see your doctor immediately if this happens to you.

You should not drive, operate machines, play sports, or do dangerous things until you know what this drug does to you.

Stop taking this drug and contact your doctor immediately if you notice any of the problems or conditions listed or anything unusual is happening, especially changes in your eyesight.

Withdrawal symptoms can be severe with psychiatric drugs. If you stop using them, do it slowly.
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« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2005, 10:59:00 PM »
***Haldol has been proven to help kids function better in school and out of school.

Are you confusing Haldol with Ritalin?
Not that it's any better.
http://www.ritalindeath.com/

What proven track record? Who has interviewed the thousands of kids who have been through programs and followed them long-term?
How many will hog-tie their kids, or deny food as punishment, or put them on their face for weeks for speaking without permission, or make them sleep outdoors in the winter... because they were conditioned to believe this is an appropriate way to treat other humans? How many will have difficulty with intimate relationships, or social anxiety?
Some of the most damaged individuals in society hold down full-time jobs and look quiet normal on the surface, like the BTK killer. A couple of weeks ago, there was a report every night that another pedophile had been arrested. One was a dentist, another a city council member, one a preacher, can't remember the other one, but he was a prominent' citizen. Only one had a criminal history.
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« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2005, 11:01:00 PM »
You all have produced evidence supporting your side. I HAVE produced evidence supporting my side. How am I supposed to do better than that? I would reccemend somehow seeking out the School Psycologist and others who have prescribed it for kids and ask how did it improve the learning capabilities and social life of the kids.

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« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2005, 11:16:00 PM »
You're not paying attention or have a problem with comprehension.
School psychologists are not qualified to DIAGNOSE OR PRESCRIBE psych medications. They often over-step their bounds.
For your education, only psychiatrists and MDs can diagnose and prescribe.
And in a few states who are leading the way, it is now illegal for school districts to demand parents medicate their kids. Federal legislation is being persued.  
Haldol is not a drug that would be prescribed for so-called ADD. Your adament support of this school psych (professional) is a classic example of an uninformed parent who defers to anyone their perceive to be an authority. A poster parent for the industry.
Life on planet Earth in 2005 requires the average citizen to be more informed than ever before. It is not wise to assume that professionals or authorities have your best interest at heart.
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« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2005, 12:58:00 PM »
School Psychologists can't prescribe or diagnose ANYTHING - they can give test to show types of learning disorders - but that's about it.  Only an M.D. can prescribe medication and diagnose. I wouldn't give much weight to what they have to say. I had one tell me I should use a drug for my son. I spoke to my pediatrician about it and he said that this drug has caused liver failure and death in children and he would never prescribe it.  Be careful who you trust when it comes to medicating your child.  HUGS not DRUGS....is the best medicine.
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« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2005, 01:33:00 PM »
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On 2005-03-14 09:58:00, RN on Board wrote:

"School Psychologists can't prescribe or diagnose ANYTHING - they can give test to show types of learning disorders - but that's about it.  Only an M.D. can prescribe medication and diagnose. I wouldn't give much weight to what they have to say. I had one tell me I should use a drug for my son. I spoke to my pediatrician about it and he said that this drug has caused liver failure and death in children and he would never prescribe it.  Be careful who you trust when it comes to medicating your child.  HUGS not DRUGS....is the best medicine."


It depends on what your child has.

*Some* children are so mentally ill they are completely unable to function, or are dangerous.

*Those* children need drugs.

But psychoactive drugs are powerful, they can have severe side effects, the cost/benefit risks can be the most painful judgement call a parent ever has to make.

They should be a last resort.

I watched my beautiful, outgoing, exceptionally bright child become mentally unbelievably dulled and curled over in stomach pain crying every day.

We went to doctor after doctor seeking the cause before finally finding out that she had inherited her early onset bipolar disorder from me and that her manifestation was just different enough from mine that I didn't recognize it.

We did choose drugs, because her life without them had become a living hell---and believe you me, she was *never* short on hugs---and I remembered the living hell I went through in my own childhood, with well-meaning, attentive, consistent parents who loved me.  The disease was just so painful I would give anything to be able to go back and rescue the child I was by giving her/me the appropriate medicines when I so badly needed them.

Every child is different.

If your child is *not* seriously ill, you wouldn't give her penicillin or nitroglycerin pills or anti-epilepsy drugs.  And you wouldn't give her powerful psychiatric drugs, either.

But if she really is sick, they can be the only things that actually work to make it possible for her to have a normal, happy childhood again.

*No* child who is not seriously ill should be forced onto inappropriate medications by some incompetent school psychologist on a power trip.

But if a school pshrink really thinks there's a serious problem, better to get your child checked by a *competent* professional both to cover your ass and in case there really is something going wrong.

Who knows, early therapy may prevent that child's condition from deteriorating into something more serious later.

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« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2005, 02:48:00 PM »
She reccemended Haldol because my son was having trouble with a certain teacher, often cursing out the teacher and ending up in the principal's office and/or suspended.
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