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Anonymous:
it is a really sad day in america when  you think that having pity for a child is deflection. i have no idea who any of the kids are. yes i have seen other names, gmom with her gdaughter but the gdaughter seems to be over 18 and posting herself.  

zita is a helpless 12/13 year old.the mother is obviously exploiting her, and i am in shock. maybe because i actually know a very similar story, that happened in my family. i know the hurt, pain and destruction it can cause.

dont try to accuse me of being anything unless you know me.  you don't.  joyce has made sure this whole thread and the isac know all about her, richard and zita. it is sad.

Gmom:
I don't quite understand how you feel Joyce's daughter is being exploited by Joyce.  Joyce and her husband have filed formal charges.  By coming forward publically they have put themselves on the chopping block.  There are always those with an opposing opinion, which they are free to have.
But, I think, if you really take a look at what has been written, the only exploitation has come from the Whitmore and/or Whitmore supporters.

Without people willing to speak out, as the Harris' have, people like the Sudweeks will continue to take advantage of desperate parents and troubled teens.  They will continue to use barbaric methods to munipulate and control these kids -- they will continue to abuse. They will continue to lie to parents about services they claim to provide.

The Harris' are performing a much-needed public service.  We cannot let this sit on the back burner and be forgotten.  It is not going to go away unless more people are willing to speak up.
My hat is off to Richard and Joyce Harris.

Susan Schacherer

Anonymous:
Did you or do you have a child at the Whitmore??  If the answer is NO then do not tell me or join in on a cause you know nothing about.  Don't talk to me or anyone else about pain, destruction and pity!!  

I am living the nitemare everyday with the damage that was caused at the Whitmore.  I visited there several times over a year's time.  It wasn't until the end that things started to make sense.  Many names are used on this site by many people.  Most on this site are familiar to the Whitmore or have experienced it in some shape or form.  

There are a multitude of other topics on this site that cover other schools and programs.  I have no interest in visiting any of them because  I have no relationship to them.  It would seem that you would have to have some kind of interest in the Whitmore or why visit this forum.  Did you just close your eyes and put your cursor on one and click??  I doubt it.  So again, if you have no stake or experience here, you have a LOT of catching up to do!

I would post my name and my child's name in a heartbeat but fear for the backlash that I have witnessed others experience.  ANYONE who dares to use their name or tell a story that remotely resembles someone they can identify, becomes open season on this site!  

I admire Joyce for having the courage to stand up and say who she is.  It gives her credibility because there is a name attached to her post.  Those who post with no name appear less credible because it could be the same person posting numerous times to make a point.  Unfortunatley, I fall into this category.  However, I assure you I am a real parent with real issues from a very real experience with the Whitmore!

Yes, Zita's name has been used on this site and yes she is a victim.  But again MOST of us on the site know who many of the names are.  I personally have met many of them.  Like someone else said, 90 some percent of the general public has no knowledge of this site.  There would be no interest in coming here unless you have a concern with placing a child or have already had the experience of placement.  Make sense??

So tell us... what is your story?? How did you really get here.  You are anonymous, your child is protected.  Give us something of value to walk away with instead of judging other parents that may have walked in your shoes.  

I have a child that is also a victim and I feel nothing but compassion and support for Joyce.  The pity I feel is for those children now home who have no one to talk to or have no one who will believe the horror stories I have heard.  There are many children who keep silent because they have been labled "habitual liars."  We as parents sent them there to learn to tell the truth.  Imagine the twisted irony they now feel when they want to tell the truth but fear they won't be believed.  

It was an excrutiating reality to learn we as parents spent over $40,000 to have our child abused mentally, physically and God knows what else!  Very tough pill to swallow!  NO parent wants to hear that.  The kids already feel guity for all the trouble they caused prior to placement at the Whitmore.  They don't want to cause any more heartache and guilt on the parent's part.  Keep in mind, my child didn't tell me what happened!  I found out through others that witnessed it!! Only then when I confronted was it confirmed!

By the way... every story about my child was told by a different child in a different state who had NO knowledge I had spoken to any other kids!  There is no way they could have possibly gotten togeter and plotted to tell me the SAME story.  None of the kids had spoken to each other after coming home.  So keep in mind there are MANY other stories out there you have not heard besides Joyce's.  How is your curiosity now?

Antigen:
I think Anon's got a point. There are some issues that I don't think should be laid out publicly. They've filed a complaint. It's up to the DA to decide whether or not to file charges. I'm glad they haven't gone into a lot of detail publicly about the specifics of that complaint. I hope they never will. But that's just my advice.

But there's a big difference between the way the Harrises are telling about how they and their child were victimised and the Sudweeks disclosing confidential info about that kid that was given to them in the course of seeking treatment for the kid. They're the kid's parents and they have to make the decisions about what is and is not the proper way to go about protecting their kid from the abuse they've alleged. The Sudweeks never had any kind of authorization to tell you or me or anyone else the contents of those private conversations.

Can't you see that, anon?

I just want ppl looking on to take note that it's a really, really bad idea to divulge this kind of personal information to people you don't really know that much about.

Now onto the method of treatment. From what I've read here and on the Whitmore blog, it seems to be structured around the same basic type of peer group therapy as they used at Straight. I heard so much excruciatingly personal material in those group sessions I just wanted to cut off my ears. And, just like we've seen here, kids who had this private information would use it against each other. This is what they called "confrontation therapy". Ugly, isn't it?

It's odd, I think, to see this happen in public like this. Some of this trash talking back and forth sounds just like a group session to me. But we never let outsiders see that side of things. It was sort of verboten. Of course, if you tried to sue them or something then it would come up in court. And they'd have higher phase kids go and do speaking engagements or speak at open meetings and divulge some of this themselves.

Evidently, all the kids and all the staff have access to this very confidential information (true or not) about these kids and their families. And, evidently, these folks are not above using that information as a weapon.

Do you think that's a good idea? Do you think this is the first time they've done this to a kid? Hell, it's not even the first time in the past month that I've seen private information about former Whitmore kids used as a weapon against them by people who claim to defend the Whitmore.

I hope those kids all realize that most readers to this forum have been there. Personally, I don't believe half of that trash. I know how people tend to exagerate stories about their horrible past or even incidents that occure during "treatment" under the circumstances you describe. So don't think everyone believes every word or is as judgmental as the people making these accusations.


Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat
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Antigen:

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"it is a really sad day in america when  you think that having pity for a child is deflection.
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It just seems so one sided. Do you have the same pitty for Joey? The story is that he got into trouble for sneaking a phone call home, they had "group" on him and it got physical. When he went public w/ that info, a bunch of Whitmore kids (and again, I certainly hope it was kids, because it would be unforgivable for adults to act this way) came on here and said he was drunk and violent and that we should not believe him.

Hanna's been pretty well torn up too. And I understand she got into trouble for calling her parents too. Do you have any sympathy for Hanna?

How about Leah? Nothing there for Leah?

All of these families went to the Whitmore for help w/ sensitive family issues. Now all of them are having that sensitive family matter used against them in retaliation for criticizing the Program.

The question is who's exploiting who? Or, in baser terms, who's f***in who and where'd the money go?

Arms in the hands of citizens [may] be used at individual discretion...in private self-defense...
-- John Adams, (1788)

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