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it doesn't matter who put it up first! it is a child!

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Anonymous:
i am so shocked that people here are not getting the point that zita is a human child that a mother is completely exploiting in my opinion. joyce does not stop, ever, from what i have read.

it doesn't matter who put zita's name up on the board first, i don't know, I tried to search it, but in reality, it doesn't matter!  the mother kept provoking the topic, never stopping and repeated the name over and over.

joyce was quick to be sure that letter she wrote, that really exposed the real joyce, was removed, why isn't she begging to have antigen remove her minors name? well, then joyce would be losing her attention.  she makes a  public statement on a isac website to further expose her daughter. it is a child! someday, this girl will see all this, and the i am sure from the letter joyce wrote, zita will fight back. now that will be a interesting day.

so joyce makes sure the letter that exposed her is removed, but has no concern about exploiting her daughter? what doesn't make sense here?

don't think i don't care about abuse, i do. but i do believe in justice to. if the police, ag, detectives or others believe or get concrete proof about this abuse, i bet it will be closed. i don't know whitmore, i know wwasp. i know they get away with alot, in my opinion, but in my opinion it has to do with with political power. i don'tknow that the whitmore is that big. maybe they are, but i can't even find them on the web. somewhere here it states they only have like 30 kids, so it is tiny. i think the state would have no problem closing them if there was concrete proof.

back to zita, it doeesn't matter who started it, it should end. but the mother needs to be stroked, in my opinion.

Antigen:
If you're so concerned about this kid's privacy, then why do you keep bringing it up?

I already told you I agree w/ you on the issue. There's a LOT of content floating around here that should not be discussed publicly. I don't make those calls.

But this forum is not primarily about the parents who send their kids to these places. Maybe I should start one of those? This forum is about the programs, how they work, how they don't work and how they go about marketing. The whole idea is to give the sane people a look at the part of the story that the industry doesn't advertise.

Now, that said, I don't think that WWASP's immunity is entirely due to their own political power. I think the entire industry is getting a free ride. Lots of these places continue in business under various names after repeatedly being shown to be abusive and fraudulent.

I don't think the next criminal prosecution will do any more good than the last. The rest of the cult usually just moves on and pretends that whoever they threw to the wolves was the one and only bad seed and now everything's just hunkey dory.

I think this industry continues to grow for one very simple reason; there's a market for it. A totally credulous, well heeled (for the most part) market of parents who are willing to believe obvious lies.

So what do we do about that?
Faith, as well intentioned as it may be, must be built on facts, not fiction- faith in fiction is a damnable false hope.
--Thomas Edison, American inventor
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Anonymous:
sorry if it seems like i am bringing it up a lot, but it seems everytime i say something about it, it is brushed off by blaming others. i just think that parents need to take accountability to. i know i did and still do. i wont share my childs story, it is not mine to share. i respect my child, i screwed up. so i guess i take offense with joyce using her daughter this way.

i guess we can agree to not agree on this. but i am concerned for the innocent child, well, may not be innocent, but is still a child and doesn't deserve what her mother is doing to her.

Antigen:
Well this is the nature of the whole damned industry. Look here. http://helpyourteens.com/true_story.html
There's a mother actually making a career out of her daughter's private business. How would you like to go through college w/ that floating around the net?

Why are you focusing on this one detail? Why not get just as bent out of shape over stories about the one girl's allegedly loose sexual habits or the other's affinity for love drugs.

But again, this is not a forum primarily about the parents, though that certainly is a worthy and frequently touched on subtopic. This is a forum about the Whitmore in the context of a lot of forums mostly about the troubled parent industry.

Once in awhile, some smart ass kid will hijack the conversation and bring up something worth talking about. Hopefully, that'll start happening more frequently again soon.

How do you feel about the threats to divulge all the dirt these ppl say they're holding back if people don't shut up? What is it that these people want so badly for everyone to shut up about? That's part of how the industry "works". Intentionally or not, they set up a situation where young kids are encouraged, cajoled and/or frightened and harassed into divulging very personal material to a bunch of other kids. And this isn't the first time I've seen that information used to bludgeon anyone who comes off as critical of one of these programs.

Now that's the best case scenareo, where they just didn't realize what might happen. In this case, though, somehow a letter addressed to Mark which contained highly confidential information about a kid made it to the net.

I think that ought to give pause to every parent who has given these people confidential information about their kids. For CHRIST's sake, don't piss these people off!

In retrospect, is this kind of freeform 'group therapy' really such a good idea?


People everywhere enjoy believing things that they know are not true. It spares them the ordeal of thinking for themselves and taking responsibility for what they know.
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Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.

Anonymous:
Your writing style seems amazingly similar to those posted by anon from Whitmore.  Could this be a new form of deflection.  Taking everyone off track of the real issue-posting a very private email concerning a minor and violating patient confidetiality! What they did was wrong morally, legally and yes even spiritually.  Get off your soapbox and stop beating another dead horse. Posting that email was the most horrific act I have seen on this forum yet. Like Antigen said, we get your point.  Move on. Have you not noticed the other names mentioned here by several other parents and kids.  We are concerned parents expressing our stories.  I really doubt you are here just out of curiosity. You show way too much interest in Joyce and her daughter.  It is obvious in your persistance to make your point.

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