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« Reply #90 on: April 20, 2006, 11:01:00 AM »
Of course it was Sue Scheff's FAULT about anywhere she referred children.  Sue Scheff refers children to these facilities for one simple reason: TO MAKE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!
She continued to send children to Whitmore Academy AFTER she knew the owners were being investigated for child abuse.
Scheff continued to critcize parents who spoke out against the Sudweeks after Cheryl Sudweeks was CHARGED with child abuse.
Why would Scheff criticize parents whose children who had been abused?
Only reason one can think of is her little money machine at Whitmore Academy was being shut down.
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« Reply #91 on: April 20, 2006, 01:36:00 PM »
Alright, all I'm saying is that in GMA the people in charge were covering up when Sue Scheff came. Maybe she should have looked a little more in depth, but what she saw was OK.
I don't know what else she did and I don't really care, but all I'm doing is giving a firsthand account of what I personally witnessed.
The reason I'm writing here is because I want parents to know what to ask and see what has changed for this particular program since I've been there. Maybe it's a good program now. I don't know.
Also, I really would like to know more from the person who said that they've been there recently and liked it. Not only because I'm curious, but it would help alot of people decide on whether or not it's a good program.[ This Message was edited by: hawaiianguy3 on 2006-04-20 10:39 ]
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« Reply #92 on: April 20, 2006, 02:53:00 PM »
Any good ed con (now there's an oxymoron) knows programs put on a fist class dog and pony show when they and/or the inmates parents come to visit.

Trick is to show up without an appt.

But then again, ed cons probably know that too, right?

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« Reply #93 on: April 20, 2006, 08:02:00 PM »
Some moron on Struggling Teens is posting that Sue Scheff refers to "safe, non-punitive programs."  Right!  Ask some WWASP kids that she referred to Tranquility Bay how "safe and non-punitive their stay at TB was."  Ask some Whitmore kids the same question.
What the hell is going on?
This woman has been selling kids into abusive programs for the almighty DOLLAR $$$$ since she ENROLLED HER OWN DAUGHTER INTO A WWASP PROGRAM.
Who does not understand this?
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« Reply #94 on: April 20, 2006, 10:13:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-20 17:02:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Some moron on Struggling Teens is posting that Sue Scheff refers to "safe, non-punitive programs."  Right!  Ask some WWASP kids that she referred to Tranquility Bay how "safe and non-punitive their stay at TB was."  Ask some Whitmore kids the same question.

What the hell is going on?

This woman has been selling kids into abusive programs for the almighty DOLLAR $$$$ since she ENROLLED HER OWN DAUGHTER INTO A WWASP PROGRAM.

Who does not understand this?"


Where?  Do you have a link?  I looked and couldn't find anything about this.
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« Reply #95 on: April 21, 2006, 11:11:00 AM »
That was before she set up a competitive referral operation.

Here's a thread about the programs to which Sue Scheff / PURE allegedly has referred people:

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8061&forum=9

My understanding is that those program names came from the WWASP v PURE docket. I don't know of any reason why WWASP would have subpoenaed records from these places except for that they believed that Sue had referred people to them. Of course, they may have been mistaken. So there's your grain of salt to give real weight and meaning to my use of the term "allegedly". I would love it if people would step right up and confirm or refute my assumptions, but I don't hold out much hope.

Among these listed programs is New Horizons Youth Ministries. There's a lot of material out there about that one. Here's a thread I started about 2 years ago:

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=5305&forum=9

And here's one about a book written by Julia Scheeres; Jesus Land.

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=0#90801

I just read it recently. It's a good book. It's not just another telling of a fucked up program. It's a memoir of this woman's childhood and homage to her well loved and dearly departed brother. He didn't die in the program, as I had assumed when I heard about the book; just so there is not misunderstanding followed by adding then removing David's name from various lists and such.

It's a good read and well describes an extremely abusive program. Now, if the allegation is correct that Sue Scheff did (does?) sent(d) kids to this place, I'd still like to have an answer to that one of my most irritating questions; what is the essential difference between WWASP and PURE.

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« Reply #96 on: April 21, 2006, 12:14:00 PM »
Struggling Teens Discussion Forum
Topic: "hire an ed con or not"
Poster: Mose
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« Reply #97 on: April 21, 2006, 12:19:00 PM »
Sue Scheff definitely refers to Whitmore Academy, and is/was paid by the owners.
Sue Scheff continued to refer children to Whitmore Academy after the investigation for child abuse was underway against the owners, Mark and Cheryl Sudweeks. Sue Scheff criticized parents she referred to Whitmore Academy publicly who accused the Sudweeks of abusing thier children.
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« Reply #98 on: April 21, 2006, 12:35:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-21 09:14:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Struggling Teens Discussion Forum

Topic: "hire an ed con or not"

Poster: Mose"


Mose is still posting at ST?  God, some of these ex program parents need to get a life - her kid has been out of a program a long time, IIRC.
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« Reply #99 on: April 21, 2006, 12:38:00 PM »
the "essential difference between WWASP and PURE?"

I don't see any essential differences:

Both lie and say they don't make any money:
WWASP claims to be "non-profit" and PURE has a big ole STATEMENT "NO COSTS TO PARENTS"....both trying to con parents into thinking they are offering thier fine services for NOTHING!

Both send children away to some abusive programs that deny children a real education, contact with their parents for long extended periods, for behavior modification that has been provent  to be ineffective, if not harmful.

Both use escort services.  Enough said there.

I think these two organizations appear to be more like "competitors" than anything else.
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« Reply #100 on: April 21, 2006, 12:39:00 PM »
Does Mrs. D.VA still post there?  She's another one who used to post ad-nauseum about her kid's trials and tribulations at some program.  

What's wrong with these parents?  Do they honestly belive their own schtick?
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« Reply #101 on: April 21, 2006, 12:48:00 PM »
Yep, Mrs. D.VA still posts. go read over there. It is something else. Seems the same ones just yak to each other.
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« Reply #102 on: April 22, 2006, 04:00:00 PM »
I was there in 1998 and it was ran by both John and Larry....I dealt more with John than Larry and they were great.  There wasn't just one set of house parents there....all kids that came in when I was there started outside and earned their way into the house.  Larry didn't do one on one counseling that I remember...we did a lot of group work though.  I have no idea who this Sue Scheff is...I've never heard of her  

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« Reply #103 on: April 25, 2006, 08:24:00 PM »
Larry's GMA program is totally different than what it was when you were there. I don't even know if it's the same as when I was there anymore. To make it clear, everything I have posted is in regards to Glacier Mountain Academy NOT Glacier Mountain Educational Services OR Glacier Mountain Expeditions. Here is an article from http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... een01.html
to reduce the confusion:

GLACIER MOUNTAIN SEPARATES
(June 8, 2000) Larry Bauer, Director of Glacier Mountain Academy (GMA), Sandpoint, Idaho, announced that as of January 1, 2000, GMA became a totally separate entity from Glacier Mountain Educational Services (formerly known as Glacier Mountain Expeditions), which is headed by John Baisden. Bauer and Baisden had formed a partnership a few years ago, which has now been dissolved as a result of this action. Ramona and Matt Slover are managers and house parents of the GMA program, with Jack Evensizer, the accredited teacher.
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« Reply #104 on: May 13, 2006, 12:35:00 AM »
I understand that they are not the same entity anymore..however, I have complete faith in both of them.  When were you there?  

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