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Offline marshall

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« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2005, 05:55:00 PM »
<"I always seemed to buck the system and somehow it was tolerated">

I was wondering about this in relation to something you mentioned earlier, F.L. You said that you were involved with the seed to some degree until it closed. Don't remember your exact words but I got the impression that you came and went as you pleased. You were an oldtimer too, so why weren't you required to be 'always on your program?' No-one told you where to live, who to date or where to work? Didn't libby tell you that you had to come in everyday too? Or were you given special status due to your long involvment? If you are who I think you are, it is amazing that your going against the grain was tolerated on any level.
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« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2005, 08:20:00 AM »
No, your right certain things wern't tolerated. I was involved with everyone, but I enjoyed this.  I played alot of sports especially tennis & vollyball and had a blast-never board.  I was involved in the group- I had a job that I could come into the group fairly often.  I liked that too. ( I came in for a rap here & there) Lybbi and I didn't get along very well for the last couple of years before it closed.  We were very close for years before that.  Her & her husband caused me alot of grief - very minipulitive - Did I mention that to this day if I think of them my blood pressure rises. :flame:  :grin:  :grin: [ This Message was edited by: Ft. Lauderdale on 2005-02-09 05:21 ][ This Message was edited by: Ft. Lauderdale on 2005-09-18 15:05 ]
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« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2005, 09:36:00 AM »
I just get this image of 5' tall Libby trying to orchestrate of Coup de tat.


Cracks me up!

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« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2005, 10:56:00 AM »
More like a Crap de tat. :silly:  :grin:
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« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2005, 10:57:00 AM »
actually 4' 11"
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« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2005, 06:04:00 PM »
Hey ay least I quit using dope.
That was a success. Right?
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« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2005, 12:52:00 PM »
that depends on whether you think that is success.  Isn't there more to life than that?
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« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2005, 05:02:00 PM »
Yes you are correct there is more to life however, I considered that the genesis to all my other success.
 I will not sit here and lie to you and say my life has been perfect but at least I live with a clear direction and with a clarity of thought which I did not have until I learned the basics lessons that would carry me through life.

 I will also say that once I learned the basics and walked away from the Seed is when I grew the most.
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« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2005, 12:24:00 PM »
I graduated in 77 and had my first beer with my dad two years later. I was very conflicted because the seed taught that even a single drink would send us to full-blown drug /alcohol dependancy or addiction. They even said that we would be even worse than before the seed if we 'screwed-up'.  I watched myself carefully, curiously...after that first beer. Weeks passed...and still no need to get drunk or stoned arose. But surely it was just a matter of time before I found myself in the gutter..right? That was 26 years ago and it still hasn't happened even though I continue to drink on occasion. Perhaps tomorrow I'll take a sip of wine and have the sudden urge to get sloppy drunk or go score some heavy drugs and go crying on the steps of some program.....or not.

The whole issue of drinking and drugs was vastly oversimplified by the seed, imo. Ironically, one thing that led me to try this first post-seed beer was a guy named Art who was a former AA member and friend of my father's. He'd been straight over 10 years and finally realized he could still drink socially without reverting to his former alcoholism. I know this is AA heresy, but recent studies have confirmed this Art's experience. It is possible for 'some' former alcoholics to drink again. It may be that some people can never touch any alcohol ever, I just don't know... so this isn't meant to encourage former alcoholics to take a drink. There may be a genetic component to this.
 
Each of us is different. Different brain and nervous system, different psychological makeup, personal history, family, etc. What may be true for one is not necessarily true for another. Most of my teen drug use was a desire to explore, to sample and experience to push the limits....the same motivation that causes many teens to drive too fast, start smoking cigarettes and take unwise risks. I've found that this urge simply passed with growing up.

The heretical thinking is...that this would have also happened even without the seed. I don't like the state of consciousness associated with intoxication. A mild buzz or warmth from a couple of beers is fine, but any time it has gone beyond this ( usually due to not eating beforehand) I find being 'drunk' unpleasant and try not to repeat it. It is no different than the pleasant feeling I get from eating a good meal vs. the very unpleasant feeling of gorging myself. I've learned where to stop. I find my normal state of mind more pleasant than any altered state. Is this because of the seed? My experience observing others leads me to doubt this strongly.

My wife is one of 5 siblings. All 5 went through a phase where they used drugs, some more than others. 4 of the 5 no longer use any sort of drug and haven't in many years. The 5th still uses drugs (mostly pot) regularly & is a problem drinker. This is about the proportion I've observed over and over. It's also close to the proportion who are straight that did go thru the seed and other programs.  (Wally made this point earlier) The vast majority of us simply grow up and lose interest in the obsessive use of intoxicants. Her siblings never attended any programs, never went to jail or went insane. They were never stood-up and ripped apart, never learned the steps or rules, never forced to speak, dress and behave in a prescribed manner. Yet they stopped using drugs and went on to live happy, productive lives.

The two drugs that have I've had to battle against the hardest have been nicotine and caffeine. After graduating the program it took over 30 attempts to kick the cigarette habit. I WAS nearly powerless over tobacco...in some measure thanks TO the seed. Now, my battle is with caffeine. I've found that I'm very prone to become addicted to it. I've tried to use it the way I do alcohol...but without success. I'm beginning to think I'll have to go cold turkey. Is there a 12 step program for caffeine addicts? Should we throw Juan Valdez & Mrs.Olson in prison and thow away the key?
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« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2005, 12:32:00 AM »
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On 2005-02-15 09:24:00, marshall wrote:

 Now, my battle is with caffeine. I've found that I'm very prone to become addicted to it. I've tried to use it the way I do alcohol...but without success. I'm beginning to think I'll have to go cold turkey. Is there a 12 step program for caffeine addicts? Should we throw Juan Valdez & Mrs.Olson in prison and thow away the key?

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Sounds like a good plan, Marshall. I have yet to hear of anyone developing an addiction to cold turkey. Watch that tryptophan though!
 http://www.ehso.com/ehshome/FoodSafety/ ... tophan.php
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« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2005, 10:51:00 AM »
I used to smoke turkeys.


However, lighting the beak and taking a hit out of their ass just became to cumbersome.

Now I smoke mullet, much more bonglike!


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« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2005, 02:43:00 PM »
::bwahaha2::
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« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2005, 12:09:00 AM »
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On 2005-02-16 07:51:00, GregFL wrote:

Now I smoke mullet, much more bonglike!
:smokin:
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« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2005, 01:23:00 AM »
Man, it's good to see you guys getting along.

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« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2005, 08:40:00 AM »
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However, lighting the beak and taking a hit out of their ass just became to cumbersome.


must have been some good shit!
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