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« Reply #30 on: January 03, 2005, 03:20:00 PM »
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On 2005-01-03 09:41:00, Deborah wrote:

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But of course he disagrees, because the bottom line always has to do with $$$$$.

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« Reply #31 on: January 03, 2005, 08:59:00 PM »
Does this make you wonder why?

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On 2005-01-03 08:26:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Ginger,



I dont have any information on the question you ask.



I DO know that here in my state the three different Ed Cons I had conversed with after our Program experience, that none of them refer to WWASP. They didnt elaborate why just that they would never refer to WWASP.



I have heard it from others too."

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« Reply #32 on: January 03, 2005, 09:06:00 PM »
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On 2005-01-03 09:41:00, Deborah wrote:

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But of course he disagrees, because the bottom line always has to do with $$$$$.

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I honestly don't think that's all of it. Everybody wants to make a lot of money. Not only is it really nice to not have to sweat basic survival (and extremely nice to be able to, like, tour Europe or buy someone you live a sports car for Christmas!) but it's also an ego boost to get concrete evidence that you must be doing something of value.

Trouble w/ that last part is that our economy is so skewed from the base of our sensibilities that it's no longer relavent. Some days it seems to be inverse. Very perverse, eh?

But that's still not what drives the people who drive the industry. It's more like sainthood. Take a look at posts by the guy who calls himself The One Who Cares. He seems to honestly believe that those desperate grasping attempts at kind human contact are exactly equal--no superior to--authentic affection and respect earned over time.

These people are Group adulation junkies!

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« Reply #33 on: January 03, 2005, 09:33:00 PM »
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On 2005-01-03 01:58:00, Perrigaud wrote:

"Take it how you want to. Like I said. I know that there are real victims and those who are full of it. I'm not saying you're either one. [ This Message was edited by: Perrigaud on 2005-01-03 03:56 ]"


Just curious: how do you know that there are real victims and those who are full of it?
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« Reply #34 on: January 03, 2005, 09:44:00 PM »
Ginger,
I totally agree with your perception, AND I'm not sure they'd be doing this 'saintly' work if they weren't handsomely compensated. I'd have to guess that money is the first priority and ego the second.
My comment actually was in response to him taking money from W for advertsing yet does not refer to them. I think in that case is is all about the moolala.
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« Reply #35 on: January 03, 2005, 10:25:00 PM »
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On 2005-01-03 08:26:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Ginger,



I dont have any information on the question you ask.



I DO know that here in my state the three different Ed Cons I had conversed with after our Program experience, that none of them refer to WWASP. They didnt elaborate why just that they would never refer to WWASP.



I have heard it from others too."


Hate to beat a dead horse, but educational consultants are NOT paid a fee to refer to a WWASPS school.  Why would they refer to them if they don't receive compensation?
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« Reply #36 on: January 04, 2005, 07:44:00 AM »
I don't. That's why I say if you are a true victim my heart goes out to you.
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« Reply #37 on: January 04, 2005, 11:00:00 AM »
Interestinly enough,their answer had nothing to do with compensation .It had more to do with what they know to be the TRUTH about the "treatment" the Program provides.

I was trying to be discreet.

WWASP is bad news in the ED Con business from my understanding.

I have had convesations with an ED Con who does benefit finacially (Struggling Teens) still "they nver refer to WWASP."
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« Reply #38 on: January 04, 2005, 11:10:00 AM »
Ginger,

I now know why. I had left multiple messages with
Ed Cons seeking help for my child .

Teen Help works much, much quicker than the others.  Unfortunately. Their fear mongering is as good as their lies.

The returned calls came after the kid was there. Some weeks later.Then I called again after I had learned the truth.I was seeking information.
When I went back to our local guy who had tested my child he looked sick when I shared the kid was enrolled in WWASP Program.

People in the industry know, but are unwilling to step up and do something about this atrocity.

Prepare for the next natural disaster. God is watching.
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« Reply #39 on: January 04, 2005, 11:16:00 AM »
Hate to beat a dead horse, but educational consultants are NOT paid a fee to refer to a WWASPS school. Why would they refer to them if they don't receive compensation?


No mystery here.
Most ed cons are paid by the Parents - not the program.

In theory, this arrangement is more likely to result in the ed con actually trying to find the best fit for the kid in question. Where as, if the Programs are paying per placement - then they might be a little to likely to refer to the program that compensates the best with out regard for the kids best interest.

Lon was insisting, if *I* had paid him, instead of just reading his web site and his booklets, then he would have found me a better safer program.

I can't say this isn't so, b/c I didn't pay him. I simply trusted his reputation, which I had been told by counselors was good; and ignorantly assumed the programs he advertised where programs he endorsed. I never dreamed any thing like wwasp was possible. Had no idea I needed to be on guard for the kind of disinformation and manipulation I was facing with them. I do hold Lon responsible for that. He knows. He should be much more proactive warning parents; and he should not accept their advertising. In my opinion, there is no excuse for it. He disagrees.

Back to who pays who - WWASP is well known to compensate referring parties. I see no reason to believe they would exclude an "ed con".
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« Reply #40 on: January 04, 2005, 03:15:00 PM »
If they don't compensate Ed Cons, then perhaps this IS why Lon only takes their 'advertising dollars' and doesn't make 'referals'.
Either way, he is not acting ethically if he would've found you a 'safer' program HAD YOU PAID HIM to do so. His position seems pretty obvious with that statement. For all intents and purposes he admitted to you that W was an unsafe program. If he thinks the program is 'unsafe' or even less safe than others, should he list them at his site? No. Totally unethical.
Their referal program is the biggest ponzi scheme to come down the pike.
Further, might his comment be a fraudian slip. As in, there are no 'safe' programs, just safer?
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« Reply #41 on: January 04, 2005, 04:37:00 PM »
I guess I better be a bit more exact -
More apropreate, was the actual term Lon used.
But the context was a conversation in which I was griping about the harsh and unsafe aspects of wwasp; and in which he often responded, Yes, I have heard that before.
I translated "more appropreate" into "better, safer" and I do think that is exactly what he was telling me - due to the context of the conversation.
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