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Offline GregFL

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« on: December 28, 2004, 12:38:00 PM »
We need some new ex seed people here. I know some are watching and not posting. Please post here.

Existing people, please everyone think of at least one person you know that used to be in the seed and ask them to please post here.

This site has become something I think we should all be proud of, something I wasn't sure would be this successfull.  Imagine... A forum where people can discuss their experiences and opinions about the seed with people that accept their opinions and offer counter arguments

...if someone had suggested 30 years ago that one day this would exist...I woulda called "bullshit" on em! :grin:
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Offline Robin Martin

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« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2004, 01:05:00 AM »
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On 2004-12-28 09:38:00, GregFL wrote:This site has become something I think we should all be proud of, something I wasn't sure would be this successfull.  

Imagine... A forum where people can discuss their experiences and opinions about the seed with people that accept their opinions and offer counter arguments



"...with people that accept their opinions and offer counter arguments"?  And that, my friends, is what I love about this forum.

I've connected w/ some accepting and some controversial souls and it's all been good.  I just wish some weren't 'hell bent' on trying to convince us all it was BAD...VERY, VERY BAD :wave:

Once again, thanks all for making this possible!
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« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2004, 11:55:00 AM »
I second Robin, the Seed was not a Very Bad place. My experience was both good and bad and I have opted to look at the GOOD. I look forward to hear from more seedlings as you share your experiences.
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« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2004, 12:40:00 PM »
There are many old friends from St. Pete that I would like to hear from so if you know me, or even if you don't, give a shout out and support this forum - whatever your views.
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« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2004, 01:16:00 PM »
Oh what the heck! I'll third that. ::bigsmilebounce::
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« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2005, 12:09:00 PM »
AS STATED BY SNALEA ON THE CEDU THREAD:

"It sounds like a hell hole. It is hard to imagine anyone defending the Seed. Even if a kid really had drug difficulties, 12 hour raps would do more damage than good. If people want to help kids, it seems that would include opportunties to follow/ develop interests and learn how to thrive in the "real world." Not isolating them in a bunker for hours without relief, cut off and insulated from the world they will eventually live in.

What I don't understand is how anyone could defend the Seed formula for "helping" kids. It's not based on any type of healthy, realistic paradigm for living and making good choices. Did someone actually think that putting kids in a bunker, yelling and humiliating them everyday,teaching them to bully and spy on eachother, and cutting them off from normal people and life was going to help them? "

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Do you guys think that still brooding, cheering or obsessing over this some 30+ years after the fact, regardless of our personal views,  is any indiciation of the amount of help we actually recieved ?  

This fact alone tells the world more about us and the power of the place than all well-thought or eloquently written statements we could ever post in this public domain.
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« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2005, 01:04:00 PM »
Ditto
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« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2005, 09:18:00 PM »
Hell yeah!

I'm still most intrigued, though, by trying to solve the "chicken and egg" puzzle about Program influence in the public sector. On a personal level, it really is ancient history. But they didn't go away, instead some of these sanctimonious sons of bitches are actually writing public policy!

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« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2005, 10:57:00 PM »
I'm Still out here. I have this forum in my opera browser tabs. Everytime I open the browser the forum is there, I just reload. For those who don't know I was in the Ft. Pierce Seed in 74.

Just thought I'd say hi.

Are there any other lurkers out there?

Definition from Google: A lurker is anyone who reads the postings or messages in a chat room or Internet newsgroup, but who rarely, if ever, chimes in with messages of his or her own.
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« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2005, 11:48:00 PM »
I'm still pretty upset about what happened to my family. That started long before The Seed. My grandfather was a 'professional alcoholic' just like Art, as my dad used to say.

But, based on what you say and what I remember, The Seed was only really, horrendously &  obviously brutal for a couple of years and worst in the same timeframe that St. Pete was open. I wonder about that. My perception was that Straight was just like The Seed only far more regimented and . . . Republican.

I'm learning a lot.

Do you understand that I've been immersed in a culture that lauds Program heros and philosophy? These are my boogie men. I had to stand down the DARE cop, all 5'2" of me, w/ my children when I just didn't feel right about the impromptu Group session when they dropped by, unannounced to anybody, at the local park where my kids used to go play. They stood by all the doors, arms crossed, mirror shades on, indoors while they demanded that every kid who walked through the door sit down in straight rows on the floor, cross legged and be silent, SILENT! for the puppet show.

One of these guys stopped us with "Where are you going?" on the way past him out the door. I said "Out of here and kept on walking.

So yeah, I'm a little touchy when it comes to people claiming that the Program was benign, is history, was relatively beneficial and is certainly not harmful (except to loser druggies who have spent the past 30 years, (since age 6 or so, in my case) denying their true, druggie nature.)

Sorry. Really, I am sorry when I pop off at you. But you should apologize for rubbing it my face sometimes, too.

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« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2005, 09:55:00 AM »
Hey Screwup74, long time no hear. Glad to have you back and posting...
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« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2005, 01:04:00 AM »
Wow, I just found this forum.  It was so weird, I was talking to my sister about the seed the other day and then there was a show on drug rehabs.  I decided to look up the seed to see if it still existed.

That was a hellish time in my life.  I was at SR84 around '72 or '73.  I'm not certain of the exact year.  My parents stuck me in there.  I swear, I thought I was having a seriously long nightmare for a couple of months, then reality sank in.

You'll have to excuse my garbled memories of things, I have repressed this stuff for a long time.  Do you remember after you were there for a week or so you had to stand up in an open meeting and tell everyone the drugs you did, how long you did them, what you were like "on the street" and how much you learned since you arrived at the glorious seed?  My first time, when I got to the part about what I had learned I said "nothing and I would rather be back on the street".  Libby came over to me (if looks could kill I'd be dead) and said do it again and do it right.  So I said the same thing the second time.  She said I was gonna get it the next day.  Boy did I ever, they screamed at me for hours.  I think every person in there took a turn.  Alas, that was not to be my last time either.....

Oh man, memories are flooding back.  I don't know about the guys, but remember the girls would hold your hand when you went to the bathroom....or anywhere for that matter.  And those stinking papers you had to write at night...moral inventories or something like that.  All those dumbass songs we had to sing.

I remember being in groups with Robert (? black guy).  I mean, granted I did a lot of drugs, but I wasn't a bottomless pit of stories.  If I didn't have my hand raised every five minutes he would call on me and say "Come on Cyndi, I know you did some bad shit out there"  I got to the point where I would make up stories.

I never bought into their brainwashing.  When I got out the first time I still did a few drugs and was much less of a wild child.  I was too freaked out to see any of my old friends.  I went to a different school.  Then I got put in there again, which was even worse.......(especially since I had Jethro Tull tix sitting at home)  Oddly enough, I remember less about the second time around....my emotional defenses are very strong and if something traumatizes me I likely will block it out.  So, who knows what happened.

I really do think that place damaged me emotionally, as well as other things in my life.  Most of which probably wouldn't have happened, if I hadn't led the life I was living at the time.  They would say really vile things to people.  I don't know anyone from that time anymore.

Thankfully, the hardest stuff I do now is a good glass of wine or maybe a beer.  I have a great husband and am very happy.

Sorry, I didn't intend on vomiting on everyone.  This was just such a shock.
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« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2005, 09:53:00 AM »
Thank you so much for posting Cindy. I was in in 73 also but in St Pete.

Do me a favor, think back to something that happened when you were there that seemed big to you at the time and post the story. Also choose a user name.

We look forward to your participation here!.  Where do you live now?
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« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2005, 04:49:00 PM »
This is Cyndi again, I now have a user name.  In light of the forum, I think that my user name choice is apropos.

Well, I got "stood up" a number of times.  That first time after the open house, one of the staff members said they were going to cut my hair and nails off.  It may have been Libby.  My reply was "touch me and I'll kill you".

Kinda lived with me for quite a while after she tried to kill herself (this was later on).  I felt like I had to protect her.  Even at 13 or 14, whatever I was, I couldn't believe that her parents kept her there after that.  This was no cry for help, this was I want to die.  I worried about her all the time.  That has stayed with me all these years.

I've think my ability to get close to people and to trust was seriously affected by that place.

When I say I thought I was having an extended nightmare I am not kidding.  I walked around in a daze for a couple of months and really thought I was going to wake up at home.

I was tackle and stuffed in the car by my parents and uncle.  They sat on either side of me on the drive from Jacksonville to Ft. Laud.  At a gas station I stated screaming that I was kidnapped.  Good thing I wasn't because no one did anything.

I know that my parents were at their wits end with me and didn't know where to turn.  I was really pretty bad.  In some ways I got what I deserved because the only other alternative I can think of was that I would be busted and put in the juvy system.

I'm very close to my mom now and also to my dad when he was alive.  He died in 2001.

So, something that seemed big?  It all did and didn't at the same time.  I've always been one of those people that adapts and keeps going.  I knew that if I just kept plugging along I would eventually get out.

When I started school down there it was pretty traumatic.  I went to Miami Beach High School (or something like that)  I remember cute surf guys coming up to me to talk and there was ALWAYS a seed person around.  So, I'd have to give them the speech and feel like a complete and utter idiot.  I remember one of them saying, "not you too" and he walked off.  For a high school age kid that seemed traumatic at the time.  I'd have to walk around everyday at school feeling like an outcast.

When I finally got home, my room had been stipped.  All that was left was a pair of hemostats.  My parents didn't know what they were.  I had a really good laugh at that.  All my posters, bongs, papers and concert stubs were gone, but the roach clip remained.
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« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2005, 09:28:00 PM »
<"That first time after the open house, one of the staff members said they were going to cut my hair and nails off.">

There was a small item in this week's Time magazine that immediately brought the seed to mind:

"Let Us Trim Our Hair in Accordance with Socialist Lifestyle." ....Title of a TV series in North Korea where the government is directing men to see their barbers twice a month.

Then I remembered that some congressmen of the time compared the seed's methods to North Korean brainwashing....and this made the connection even stronger. So they made the girls trim their hair too? I never knew that. "Let us trim our hair in accordance with Seed lifestyle."
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