How Do You Like Me Now BCA An Open letter

[Anonymous]

Good to hear something that isn't a delusion of the drug infested, self-justifying cult at this site---you'll see what I mean pretty fast,if you haven't already: these guys-- bottom line--are just trying to sanitize their drug obsession and other perverse behavior-- by bashing schools that help kids who've had their lives swamped by negativity---including substance abuse in a lot of cases.

Why do I care? because i've seen two friends who were really helped by a CEDU program---and if I even had a kid or sibling who needed one I want them to exist...not be driven out of existence by money grubbing lawyers. Like you I think the suits will amount to nothing but you never know when you go to court---I wish this country had "loser pay" court rules--that would shut down some of these ambulance chasers.

But watch yourself here Mormon poster some of these site-flies act real psychotics--they threaten, stalk, they rave--- who knows what they're capable of---someone I know sent copies of some of the vilest posts to the psycho posters local police departments in cases where they give enough identifying info---and on to web authorities when their raving just contains their fornits posting names.

[Anonymous]

Listen, there are pleanty of people who were not shipped off to school because they were drug infested psychos. Some had parents who thought parenting was to mundane to bother with... others had normal teenage angst... and others just had low self esteem or depression.

Unfortunately, the "school" does not address these issues with its unethical therapeutic and academic practices and their constant relentless verbal and psychological abuse.   What happens in this incredibly insulated environment is that your story gets twisted and manipulated into something you don't recognize, your emotions are manipulated with intense mindfucking experientials, your parents are lied to, and your traumatic history is exploited in truly sick ways. (Do YOU think its good for a girl who was raped to be called a whore by the staff and humiliated?  This is how they operate.)  In addition, abnormal behavior is promoted and normal behavior is NOT!

After years of insulation, you end up believing the lies and brainwash because you have to to get by and advance through the program.  Because you are cut off, you lose perspective on reality. If you tell the truth, there is hell to pay.

It is typical for some people to graduate gung ho on the school only to realize later how unequipped emotionally there are to deal with the real world. (CEDU doesn't teach you this. Nor do they individuate the therapy in a healthy way.) Noone wants to believe that all the "work" they invested into the program was all for naught. You need to believe that the blood squeezed out of you was an investment. When I left CEDU, I looked good on paper. Straight As, accepted into ivy league, in top shape... (Never had a drug problem)... but NONE of my real issues were EVER addressed and to top it off, I was socially backward from living isolated in a cultic environment.

Just because someone left CEDU to attend an ivy league or stop doing drugs does not mean they followed ethical practices.  To the guy whose friends were saved--I didn't even cover all the abuses that were systemic in the program, but if I did, your toes would curl.

Talk to your friends in 10 years.

[Antigen]

On 2004-12-26 15:12:00, Anonymous wrote:

Just remember that posting personal information for the purpose of malice, to threaten or to bring harm to someone is illegal.

Thanks for the reminder, CHUCK...

I do know who you are A**** R***, so have fun but be careful. ( I didnt spell out your name for everyone to read, only for you to know your not that anonymous. CHUCK"

AND the graphic demonstration!

Whew! I think I'm having an irony overdose! I don't know if I can even survive the Daily Show tonight!  :silly:

But this is far from demonstrating that the authorities must interpose to suppress these vices by commercial prohibitions, nor is it by any means evident that such intervention on the part of the government is really capable of suppressing them or that, even if this end could be attained, it might not therewith open up a Pandora's box of other dangers, no less mischievous than alcoholism and morphinism.
http://www.mises.org/liberal/ch1sec11.asp' target='_new'>Ludwig Von Mises

[Antigen]

On 2004-12-28 08:59:00, Anonymous wrote:

But watch yourself here Mormon poster some of these site-flies act real psychotics--they threaten, stalk, they rave--- who knows what they're capable of---

Tell me about it! I have a small stack of threatening letters, some delivered to my home address, from WWASP and other of these programs!

someone I know sent copies of some of the vilest posts to the psycho posters local police departments in cases where they give enough identifying info---and on to web authorities when their raving just contains their fornits posting names.

I sure hope they didn't leave out Craig Rogers. Remember Craige? Boy, did he ever get intemperate! Ottawa5 too! She really did scare some people. Brought others closer, though. I'm sure it warms the hartles of your cock to know that, huh?

Anyway, I'll let yenz know as much as I can the first time any authorities come to me asking for aid in identifying any posters here. So far, in about 5 years of doing this, it's never happened.

Life is like a bird, at any given moment it is droping a load. It is only a matter of time before one eventually find you.

http://fornits.com/about_us.htm' target='_new'>SysAdmin

[Antigen]

Wow! Looks like someone really struck a nerve! This is what happens to mainstream media when they get a little too close to it. Makes me feel special.

 :wave: Thanks guys!

Religion is just mind control.
--George Carlin, comedian

[Anonymous]

so what school did you go to? because i went to BCA and i am to be honest thankful for it. yeah there might have been situations that could have been handeled differently. but as far as you saying that you went to some great school after cedu but your real issues and feelings were never addressed thats on you. if you really thing that you go to a school like that and they just "fix you" your wrong it takes hard work to face your problems and deal with them. of corse you guys are going to talk shit about the programs you were probably pretty young when you got sent away and why wouldnt you be upset for "losing your teen years" but dont be pissed off at anyone but yourselvs. at leats think of the things you were doing before you left home. how many people could you have hurt and for some people how many times could you have killed another person or people or yourself. im sure if you were sent to a school you were pretty fucked up. as for the person that i am replying to i have no clue who you are but you sound pretty spoiled like everyone is supposet to walk on egg shells around you and you like it like that. you must be pretty alone. i dont mean feel alone but that you are seriously alone because just from that thing you wrote im not sure anyone would want to be around someone as braty as you. dont bother to reply im probably not coming back on this website its a little rediculus how many people make there hobbies bashing cedu. toodles

[dniceo7]

oh come on, lay off chuck selent! chuck is the man! yo chuck, don't listen to this bullshit...we all have mad love for you man! take it easy!

[kpickle39]

[ This Message was edited by: kpickle39 on 2004-12-29 04:28 ]

[Anonymous]

You just have to realize that the therapists and their psuedo-education are worthless and the way things WERE done before they came were correct. It is they who have ruined CEDU and all of the staff know this.

The therapists have perverted the whole CEDU system with their "ethics" and their "proper and humane therapeutic processes."

The way to get to a kid is to tear him or her down until there is nothing left but a blank slate and then build a new child on proper social values.

You people just want to do whatever your sexual and pleasure-seeking drives ask of you. We are trying to save you from hell. That hell begins with independent and self determined thinking without the sanity of a secure social system where one is accountable to others. A system like CEDU.
Mormon CEDU Staff

[Anonymous]

I hope that's just trollbait.  Hard to tell b/c a lot of those people really DO believe that.   :scared:

[Anonymous]

Talking about the "vile" posting trend here and who's threateningwho: sounds like Antigen is full of it as per usual--a comment like "warms the hartles of your cock" is up to speed for the old skank

Reading through a lot of the posts of Craig Rogers and Ottawa that she talks about---admittedly not all of them but a fair number:there were no threats---what's your idea of a "threat" Antigen: somebody disagreeing with you---is that really deranging to you Antigen--on the other hand I saw some posts ABOUT them that were pretty psychotic liek the type I warned Mormon boy about earlier.

Or is claiming threats where there aren;t any another delusional tactic to demonize your "enemies"---which are any people who aren't drug fiends and proud of it

So antigen show me a threat in these or other posters who don't buy your crap---because all I'm finding are threats among your deranged fellow anti cedu cultists

a tip for Mormon boy or anyone else who wants to see what the anti cedu crowd is about: search in the WWF option for the forum and use words like "kill" and any number of vile expletives---you're going to pull up posts by Antigen's true believers---not people who see good in the CEDU schools

[Anonymous]

On 2004-12-29 12:23:00, Anonymous wrote:

"You just have to realize that the therapists and their psuedo-education are worthless and the way things WERE done before they came were correct. It is they who have ruined CEDU and all of the staff know this.



The therapists have perverted the whole CEDU system with their "ethics" and their "proper and humane therapeutic processes."



The way to get to a kid is to tear him or her down until there is nothing left but a blank slate and then build a new child on proper social values.



You people just want to do whatever your sexual and pleasure-seeking drives ask of you. We are trying to save you from hell. That hell begins with independent and self determined thinking without the sanity of a secure social system where one is accountable to others. A system like CEDU.

Mormon CEDU Staff "

So then, this WASN'T trollbait???  Shit, I was kidding because it's just too frightening to imagine anyone posting that seriously.

[Antigen]

Generally, when someone says "I know who you are and where you live" in context as hostile as this thread, it's taken as an implicit threat.

I have in my hand one letter each from Academy at Ivy Ridge, their atty., atty for Carolina Springs Academy and Spring Creek Lodge. Each one refers, in vague terms, to some slanderous, false and/or defamatory statements and personal assaults on this website and then threatens legal action if I refuse to comply w/ their impossibly vague demands.

Craig not only send a similar letter to me, but followed up w/ one to my service provider. When none of us screamed like little girls and fold, he actually offered to pay them to kick me off their servers. Pathetic!

There are others in my files, but I dont' feel like digging them out just now.

And from another corner, I'm actually named as a defendant in a lawsuit for essentially the same thing; refusing to act as someone's personal censor. Funny thing is that I've actually been accused of being a closet WWASP supporter for refusing to interfere when your bestest friends were gaining ground in this ongoing discussion.

Go figure.

Bottom line is that, as much as it might chafe you, you cannot control discussion that goes on outside of your facilities or membership. You can't send me to OP, as much as you might like to. I never entered into any agreement w/ you and, therefore, am not bound by your version of how things ought to be.

War is God?s way of teaching Americans geography.

--Ambrose Bierce (died 1914)

_________________
Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
Seed sibling `71 - `80
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
   10/80 - 10/82
Anonymity Anonymous
Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.

[Anonymous]

I have the solution for you.  Whenever you hear someone say something negative about your beloved program:

1.  Cup hands over ears

2.  Sing "lalalalala" over and over again until they're done.

 :wave:  :wave:

[shanlea]

It isn't okay to tear someone down. And the problem is you don't build them up--you can't build them up treating them all like liars and criminals, dsitorting their stories, manipulating their parents, abolishing critical thinking in favor of group think, and verbally and psychologically abusing kids in raps. CEDU only lobotomizes you in favor of a cultic mentality that you can't take with you into the real world.  

I'm not saying that there aren't kids out there who need help, but CEDU is not the panacea.