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Offline Deborah

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« on: February 12, 2005, 02:17:00 PM »
I'd love to see program parents (and staff) subjected to the exact same methods used on their kids while incarcerated away from the world with no outside contacts. Nope, not sadistic, call it sensitivity training.
Here's how some volunteers for a reality show faired:


Feb. 10, 2005. 01:00 AM
U.K. television show recreates Guantanamo abuse
Jailed volunteers humiliated, sleep-deprived for 48 hours
Human rights group says program violates U.N. conventions
THOMAS WAGNER
ASSOCIATED PRESS

LONDON?Two people vomited, two wet their pants, another suffered signs of hypothermia ? all for the cameras ? after volunteering to spend 48 hours locked in cages and subjected to sexual humiliation, forced nudity and sleep deprivation ? techniques allegedly used on prisoners at Guantanamo Bay.

A British television station plans to air The Guantanamo Guidebook, which the show's producers say recreates some of the milder forms of abuse that terrorist suspects are subjected to at the prison camp on the U.S. naval base in Cuba.

The methods used on seven volunteers included religious and sexual humiliation, forced nudity, extreme temperatures and lack of sleep, Tim Carter, the show's producer and director, said yesterday.

The volunteers were locked in a warehouse with cages, interrogation rooms and surveillance equipment for 48 hours. In the end, after getting sick or suffering symptoms of hypothermia, three of the seven volunteers quit before the 48 hours was over, Carter said.

"We made the program to show viewers how devastating even the milder techniques, such as sleep deprivation and playing on personal phobias, can be," said Carter.

But a human rights group yesterday said the program violates U.N. conventions banning torture and shouldn't be shown.

"Your program may have undesirable effects of acclimatizing the audience to the use of torture. The real issue is: how do we make an end to impunity for torturers?" said Brita Sydhoff of the International Rehabilitation Council for Torture Victims in Denmark.

The Bush administration has denied using torture at the Guantanamo prison, where many of the 545 detainees are held without charge.

A broadcast date for The Guantanamo Guidebook has not been announced, but Yad Luthra, a spokesperson for Channel 4 in London, said it is one of four programs dealing with torture planned for a one-week period in the next month.

Carter said TV stations in other countries have expressed interest in the show, but none has bought the rights.

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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2005, 02:56:00 PM »
I'd just like to see the program parents go and sit on the cold floor of their garages for 10 hours - taking only a few minutes every 3 hours to relieve themselves.  This is what program kids endure in the OP rooms across the nation.

NOT FUN!

I believe that human beings arrive on this Earth wanting to know absolutely everything, and the best thing we can do as parents is to get out of the way -- just be there to let them know what opportunities are there
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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2005, 04:50:00 PM »
Debra,                            I wish you would use your creativity to actually help people rather than dream of propaganda to post. Did you see these instances of abuse personally? Who was the source? How reliable is the source? Also I will ask you the same question I posed to Sara: What program if any, did you attend/graduate? Did you have a your child Escorted to a program and then got him/her out because he/she complained it did not resemble the Holiday Inn enough fo him /her?
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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2005, 05:48:00 PM »
While we're wishin'... my wish for you, is that some very tolerant person or some unexpected situation comes into your life which will aid you in learning the meaning of respect, for yourself and others.
But, you know what they say about wishin'... wish in one hand.....
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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2005, 11:34:00 PM »
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On 2005-02-12 13:50:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Debra,                            I wish you would use your creativity to actually help people rather than dream of propaganda to post. Did you see these instances of abuse personally? Who was the source? How reliable is the source?

Hey, maybe you should put your "$3000.00 computer" to good use and learn how to do some actual research!

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Also I will ask you the same question I posed to Sara: What program if any, did you attend/graduate? Did you have a your child Escorted to a program and then got him/her out because he/she complained it did not resemble the Holiday Inn enough fo him /her? "


What does it matter to you what program anyone was in?  Are you fishing?  Maybe you're trying to find someone from the same program you were in?  Give us a fuckin' break[/i] already!  

Your schtick is about as old as the stereotypical Yentas peering out of their windows at you climbing out of  your luxury minivan with the D.A.R.E. sticker on the bumper!
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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2005, 02:25:00 AM »
How about we get some program graduates to invite the WWASPS leaders/owners to partake in 48 hours of their own 'program', or at least a few parents.

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« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2005, 11:16:00 AM »
The program parents wouldn't handle it. They can't handle abusing their own child, so they pay someone else to do it. Classy!
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