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« Reply #30 on: July 08, 2004, 10:30:00 AM »
I like your interests. I would like to talk/write further with you. I don't often write to someone un solicited so.
 I went to Rma when I was fourteen. did you? I am now thirty, so I assume I may be older. I have started research for a book. don't worry it'll be autobio. It's just damn hard to open this can o' worms. Fortunatly, I wrote in notebooks throughout RMA. I had to fight to be able to keep them since they kept "negativity". I was miserable there. then finally, it's clear in my journals i felt brainwashed. Then when i was blank I was again reprogrammed with the most harebrained and unrealistic ideas. some of which are brilliant.
     that's about all I want to say right now.
any response would be welcomed.
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« Reply #31 on: July 08, 2004, 11:08:00 AM »
i'm compiling a book of stories of people's experiences and insights within/about the schools... i'd love to include yours.  email me if you're interested...
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« Reply #32 on: July 28, 2004, 08:54:00 PM »
I graduated from RMA in 1993.  I was there while the school moved from the ?Family? system to the ?Team? model and was a founding member of Team Vision.  Simply ? RMA saved my life and has helped me to thrive all of these years later. I continue to reflect on some of the things that I learned while I was there and sometimes have new understandings of the work that I undertook.  As an adult I have also begun to uncover some of the things about the program that are no longer useful to me.  RMA taught me how to look at the world in a manner that was binary ? things were good or bad, black or white, safe or unsafe, life or death.  This was a very useful model for me for years.  It simplified the world and helped me to make sense of the chaos that had been the tenor of my life.  At 30 years old though I am finding that life can be lived subtly ? bittersweet, ironically sad, powerfully silent ? and with far more quiet compassion than my RMA experience would have led me to believe.

I write today with an invitation.  If you would like to know more about my experiences at RMA or since graduating I am pleased to offer them.  Know though that my understanding is that the school from which I graduated really doesn?t exist anymore.  I was among the last of my kind and was at the school before the days of good psychotropic medication (indeed, no one was on any psychiatric medication), mandatory reporting (vis-à-vis students stories that involved physical or sexual abuse), and the professional boundaries that are now the hallmark of professional therapeutic practice (all staff used to go through the program as students).

To my peers on this listserv, if you would like to chat or write with someone who was at RMA I am open to a dialogue.  I am not interested in bashing the school, but if you would like to make sense of your experiences there or how they have impressed on your life since, and talking with someone who has an insiders view would be useful to that journey, I am open to being part of it.

Peace and blessings, Davila
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« Reply #33 on: July 28, 2004, 09:02:00 PM »
Anything taht might be helpful to the current Investigation?  See topic thread by investigator.  It doesn't matter which school.
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« Reply #34 on: July 28, 2004, 09:10:00 PM »
I knew Glen Sutton well -- more than a decade ago.  He always treated me kindly and was a good friend.  I do think he licked my cheek once when several of us tried to wrestle him into a snow bank and ended up losing.
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« Reply #35 on: July 28, 2004, 09:23:00 PM »
I didn't mean the Sutton Licking Experience. I mean the stuff going at CEDU-RS.  I guess through this investigation, some orgs want to know more about the techniques in general.  I think the Investigator thread and supercalifragilistic thread has more info on that.  Perhaps your record of events would be helpful.
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« Reply #36 on: July 29, 2004, 07:21:00 AM »
I read both posts -- can't really provide anything to him that might help his investigation, though if his allegations prove true I certainly hope he is able to gain enough evidence to move forward.  I was in Idaho at RMA in the early 1990s.  He is looking at Cedu in running springs in 2000.

Best, M
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« Reply #37 on: July 29, 2004, 12:36:00 PM »
Mad,
They are not just exploring specific issues to 2000. They are exploring the whole experience and techniques of the school. Thhus, you could be helpful.
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« Reply #38 on: July 29, 2004, 01:44:00 PM »
PLEASE - call Chuck Wyatt! He is the investigator you've seen in these posts. He's for real! He is a detective with San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department. He wants information from anyone who knows anything about any CEDU school. Any of them. He's pulling together county, state, and federal resource. Let's get together and help him! His info:

Detective Chuck Wyatt
26010 Highway 189
P.O. Box 384
Twin Peaks, CA 92391
(909) 336-0600
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« Reply #39 on: July 29, 2004, 10:32:00 PM »
I've called and left a message to find out more about his investigation.

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« Reply #40 on: July 30, 2004, 04:09:00 PM »
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« Reply #41 on: September 16, 2004, 11:54:00 AM »
MAD:
You had written me a few times before I was at all internet savvy and now have time to post replies. To me it sounds like you and I could have some notes to compare. I am curious to hear how the RMA changed immediately after I left. You were there about that time. Also, when you first posted you weren't sure about "CEDU bashing" but you did want to connect or respond if someone contacted you. I also noticed that you tried C.Wyatt, and I just did that too.
Where U at with it all now?
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« Reply #42 on: September 18, 2004, 07:05:00 PM »
Hey there -- I am not into Cedu bashing.  I'm one of those folks whose experiences at RMA were far more positive than not.  I did call and speak with Detective Wyatt and provided him some information on what the school was like when I was a student and some of the changes that began during my last months in the school (mid-1993).  RMA (and the other Cedu schools) began admitting students on meds, some existing students began taking meds, the schools became registered hospitals, RNs and MDs joined the staff, and seven of the senior staff all left within 60 days of each other.  The school was wiped out leadership-wise and upper school students began facilitating profeets, not just supporting.  It was an odd time.  Best, M
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« Reply #43 on: September 19, 2004, 04:12:00 PM »
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On 2004-09-18 16:05:00, mad wrote:

"Hey there -- I am not into Cedu bashing.  I'm one of those folks whose experiences at RMA were far more positive than not.  I did call and speak with Detective Wyatt and provided him some information on what the school was like when I was a student and some of the changes that began during my last months in the school (mid-1993).  RMA (and the other Cedu schools) began admitting students on meds, some existing students began taking meds, the schools became registered hospitals, RNs and MDs joined the staff, and seven of the senior staff all left within 60 days of each other.  The school was wiped out leadership-wise and upper school students began facilitating profeets, not just supporting.  It was an odd time.  Best, M"


Thank you for your reply. Wow. I didn't know any of that. Did the seven have to leave or did they leave for ideological reasons? Do you mind telling me who they were? I also do not have a hard time at all seeing that the older students took over the program some. I can't wait to hear more about that. I think from what I've been reading here that I was there for the last part of the really freaky stuff they threw at you. I 'm sure being there while those kind of changes were made was strange. If I wasn't in a hurry at the moment I would post some more questions regarding that. I mean meds at RMA was just totally unthinkable. What did the new "doctor" staff think? Are any of them on this site? rambling, but I'm going for a while. hit me back if you want.
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     \'That I will not have, \' I said, \'nor can understand at all. What you\'ve been doing is to make me feel very very ill.\'
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« Reply #44 on: September 20, 2004, 08:02:00 AM »
I don?t know what their reasons for leaving were.  I had asked each of them but I didn?t think that that they were terribly candid, which in retrospect, I appreciate for the most part.  I began to sense that members of the staff were fearful about a year before I graduated.  I started talking about this sense in raps and people encouraged me to take care of my feelings.  I ran indictments against staff who really seemed to be covering things up; likely how they were feeling.  My indictments fell on deaf ears.  I had some relatively good conversations with one of my friends who were on the staff and she found a pretty good balance between telling me that I was sensing a growing notion among the staff but that it wasn?t appropriate for me to be involved in what was going on.  I had talked with my parents about leaving then; it had been so hard to see a place that I loved and had a sense of ownership in be changed programmatically without any process or explanation. Even worse, I experienced staff as either denying what was happening or sweeping it under the carpet and minimizing the growing changes.  My parents were supportive of whatever I decided to do, stay or leave.  One of my staff supports didn't try and reason with me emotionally as I might have expected.  He instead pointed out the obvious, that I was almost done and only had my Summit to finish.  Why not do it?  I decided to stay and continued to express my discomfort with the changes.

Lisa and Brett Carry, Rae and Sharon Kreider, Doug and Mona Kim-Brown, Mary and Gary Weber-Quinn, and Randy (who had been married to Caroline Wolf) all left within two months of one another.  Brett, Rae, and Randy had been ?Team Heads? and Doug had been headmaster of the school.  The various ?Families? had been dissolved and Teams had been created in their place when I was in Challenge.  Medication came to the school shortly thereafter and it confused the hell out of us because it had been so clear before that ?medication=bad? and now people were taking it (sometimes against their will).  Think for a moment how surreal it would have been for a staff to run an indictment at someone who was refusing to take medication!  It was crazy-making and many of us would cautiously flip the indictments on the staff ? they would usually relent pretty quickly, their hearts didn?t seem to be in what they were saying.  Our world was no longer simple and black and white and those who had seemed to know what to do and when now seemed all too human.  It was awful.

The Psychiatrist (Doug Ratelle sp.?) started after my I and Me.  He seemed to be one of the few staff who knew about medication but also understood our discomfort with what was happening.  He was comfortable with being indicted and was able to hold the very strong feelings that were fired at him by many of us who were displacing our anger at the school and our confusion over the changing program onto him.  He was a good guy in my memory.

There was also a Psychologist (David Masseli) who came on staff who was offering individual therapy to people for whom raps seemed to have little utility.  He also provided educational and personality testing to some, including me.  I had sought out his services in preparation for college.  I had always had some sense that I had trouble learning certain things and wanted some confirmation of it and to have some direction for what I might do about it.  He was GREAT!  I went through nearly a week of testing and then went over the results with him.  He was able to help me make sense of parts of myself that had always seemed mysterious.  My mom though was not into it (she didn't see the use) and when it came time for the second half of the work ? figuring out what I could do to compensate for a pretty clear learning disability, she stopped paying.  It had been a ton of money and in her mind she had spent enough on me for the time being and this testing was a budget item she crossed off.

This is by no means a complete story.  Even if I took more time I don?t really know what exactly was going on, what staff had been told, and why so many seemed to flee.  It also was more than a decade ago and I can?t trust my memory to recall what I might once have known, but well, here are the highlights.

Best, M[ This Message was edited by: mad on 2004-09-20 05:11 ]
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