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« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2004, 02:46:00 AM »
To ANY parent with a child in a program or is thinking of doing so, PLEASE do not put them in there, and PLEASE pull them out! LISTEN TO YOUR CHILDREN!

Being tricked or kidnapped into being locked in a place against their will where they can't even tell their parents what is going on and being trapped in a painful coercive environment is not going to be therapeutic, its going to make them suffer, feel pain, have a lot of their NEEDS as a child or teenager NOT met, and make them be seperated from you and the world. Being terrified, being VERY painfully 'restrained' (tied up or wrestled down by several people) and made to panic and suffer pain and almost suffocate for hours, the psychological torture a lot of them employ, the complete and total lack of fun, freedom, or privacy, and total lack of control of their lives is not going to make them grow up, but it is almost guaranteed to make them very obedient little dolls that are perfectly happy on the outside for you with their 97% satisfaction rate, and be broken shells on the inside and suffer for years to come.

At that age you need to get out and have FUN AND ENJOY LIFE, and go and do things to grow independant and mature, not be brainwashed and turned into a marionette for their parents to enjoy. When adulthood comes you HAVE to be yourself and do for yourself not just be a damn obedient doll.

To everyone knocking people who speak out against it... what do we have to GAIN by doing this except trying to save a few kids from abuse? We don't want money or fame, we just want kids to grow up happily and healthily and not be tortured and abused.

I started a petition/investigation request of sorts at http://www.askquestions.org/details.php?id=209

ANYONE with a kid in a program or even THINKING about it, or who knows someone with a kid in one or thinking of it, I urge you to look there. Look at what they found out after I tipped them off. Look at the comments. Email the editor. Why would all of these victims over the past 20 years all say the SAME KIND OF ABUSE HAPPENS, when they are all totally remote and unrelated except they were in the SAME KIND OF PROGRAM? Think about it. They want money. We just want kids to not be abused by lying money-grabbing monsters.

Please don't believe their pretty words and give them your money and your child. Life is too short and hard as it is for them to lose out on the best years of their lives to some 'program' and come out a tortured shell.

Check my profile. contact me. I could tell you lots of stories or point you to people who have actually put their kids in a program or been in one.

They want your child, your money, and total control over both. We want you to keep both. Think about that.
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2004, 03:28:00 AM »
By the way..
http://wwaspabusesyouth.netfirms.com/my ... ience.html

Read her THERAPEUTIC experience at Cross Creek Manor!

Wow, thats some real good treatment for her problems isn't it?
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2004, 01:59:00 AM »
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On 2004-06-07 11:15:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Anonymous yes - if I were looking for money, I'd post an e-mail address.



No, all programs are not one size fits all - Asking the parent to make their own decision is what I posted.  Cross Creek does have therapy 5 days a week, in groups and individually.  The therapists are licensed, of course.  And if the therapist isn't the right fit, they aren't arrogant enough to keep on when it isn't.  A change is made.  



The rhetorical response of "if there were allegations, I wouldn't want to take that chance" doesn't wash.  It's meant to instill fear in already fearful parents.  That is a statement in the present tense.  The statement, my kid "might" be dead or in jail is a fear the parents could be facing, in the future tense.

Just look at the threads on this site and every single program is covered with some sort of abuse allegation.  



THey don't need an educational consultant or a family advocate/another parent telling them this, they more than likely have already feared that themselves.



And yes, anyone can lie on a website.  Case in point.   "


If there were allegations, I wouldn't take the chance.

That's not rhetorical, it's exactly what I personally mean.  

*NOT* every facility that offers inpatient care is discussed here.  *NOT* every facility that offers inpatient care has the same *amount* of "smoke" of allegations about it.

Not every facility that offers inpatient care has a blanket policy cutting off the patient's written correspondence with friends and family.

What I've seen of Behavior Modification Programs has, frankly, been bad.

Not all inpatient treatment is based on the Behavior Modification Program model.

*Real* "Outward Bound" is excellent for at-risk delinquency type issues.

*Real* mental hospitals are excellent for getting a mentally ill patient stable on medication, if he/she is a medication responder, and/or into cognitive behavioral therapy if he/she isn't a medication responder or if it just happens to be helpful for that patient.

*Real* drug treatment centers that don't take kids whose issues are delinquency or mental illness can have good success with a variety of approaches, including rationally-based therapy, medication-supported treatment where necessary, and/or 12 step where the particular patient finds it helpful.

Having studied behaviorist techniques in great detail, far more than most people who aren't professionals in the field, one of the reasons I'm highly skeptical of Behavior Modification Programs is that they seem to me to do a very poor job of applying the body of knowledge gained from behaviorist research----in plain English, they're just flat out doing it wrong.  Or "poorly," rather than "wrong," would be more accurate.

Their reinforcement choices and schedules, from what the survivors have related actually happens in the BM programs, might as well have been cobbled together by a blind chimpanzie on acid.

Another thing about your comment that every program has been covered on this site and had allegations of abuse----I haven't heard a single negative thing on Fornits, as long as I've been reading it, about the *REAL* "Outward Bound".  Not one.

I generally haven't heard much bad about people's local mental hospitals.

I don't know the names of the various reputable drug treatment facilities (besides Betty Ford---and if they take pediatric patients, I don't know it)---but I'm sure there are some and that people with more experience in that area can chime in with the names of *reputable* places for drug treatment of genuinely addicted kids.

There are problems that a kid can have that are *good* reasons for residential treatment.

There are places that offer *good* residential treatment for each of those problems.

But I've yet to see anything that the rash of Teen Behavior Modification facilities is good for.

Frankly, I consider them this era's nutty mental health fad----in the same class as dunking stools or courses of hundreds of electric shocks for everything under the Sun.

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« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2004, 03:36:00 PM »
Excuse me, it turns out telling you to take out your kids is 'conspiracy' to make you not 'fulfill contractual obligations', so I have to rephrase it.

There have been lots of ACCUSATIONS (many uninvestigated) of abuse at many instutitions like the ones you were considering for your child. I would advise more research before you send a kid there, and against signing over control of your child to them, and do NOT just buy into anything she says is a lie. If she is hurt who whould she tell? How? Give her a way out. Talk to a parent who did pull their kid out of a place after only a few weeks, if that parent is willing to tell you.

For those *WITH* kids in there, well, apparently if I tell you to pull out your kid that could be a breach of contract. So, I'd get a lawyer and try to contact your kid without them influencing you. And shame on you for signing off your child into some contract.

BTW - to all the lawyers or spies watching me, kiss my ass. I'm trying to look out for wellbeing of children and all you want is MONEY MONEY MONEY. You'll get all the profit in the world and NONE of the nasty little accusations if you didn't run your places like you do... perhaps less secrecy, transparency and GOVERNMENT oversight? Then I'd leave you alone because if there is abuse they could tell the world and the authorities!

Sorry for my misbehavior, but I never graduated from a program myself  :grin: [ This Message was edited by: Nihilanthic on 2004-06-10 12:42 ]
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."