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« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2004, 09:54:00 AM »
That's gonna spark some controversy.  

No, it's not illegal to draw things... but the drawings coupled with other behaviors.. like sex with an 11 year old kid.

It's not illegal to say things either.  But if your kid was saying things to the voices in his/her head, you'd get them some kind of help, wouldn't you?

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« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2004, 11:19:00 AM »
This will probably be thrown out of court. They went in the locker (without a warrant) and found nothing. Then they used some drawings and crazy writings to search the house (for drugs).

I don't see what the fact that he had sex with a girl 2 years younger than him has to do with any of this.

What does this have to do with the Troubled Parent Industry anyway?
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« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2004, 11:40:00 AM »
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On 2004-06-03 08:19:00, TimeBomb wrote:

"This will probably be thrown out of court. They went in the locker (without a warrant) and found nothing. Then they used some drawings and crazy writings to search the house (for drugs).



I don't see what the fact that he had sex with a girl 2 years younger than him has to do with any of this.



What does this have to do with the Troubled Parent Industry anyway?
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My mistake - I thought the kid was 16.
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 :roll: Puh-leeeeze  :roll:

Parents need to think for themselves - bottom line...

But then again, as I said before - these are also viable symptoms.  How many viable symptoms does one rationalize before one is in complete denial?
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« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2004, 01:06:00 AM »
Next thing you know masturbating will be the same as adultery...

Oh wait, in some places even THATS illegal.
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« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2004, 02:27:00 AM »
Usually the press does not disclose the names of minors who have been charged with crimes. I find it odd that this 15-year old's name is being used by the media. Is this legal in Utah - for a misdemeanor?
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« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2004, 12:42:00 PM »
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On 2004-06-03 08:40:00, Sara-1984 wrote:

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On 2004-06-03 08:19:00, TimeBomb wrote:


"This will probably be thrown out of court. They went in the locker (without a warrant) and found nothing. Then they used some drawings and crazy writings to search the house (for drugs).





I don't see what the fact that he had sex with a girl 2 years younger than him has to do with any of this.





What does this have to do with the Troubled Parent Industry anyway?

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My mistake - I thought the kid was 16.

I REALLY need meet my US RDA of caffeine before I jump in.

 :roll: Puh-leeeeze  :roll:



Parents need to think for themselves - bottom line...



But then again, as I said before - these are also viable symptoms.  How many viable symptoms does one rationalize before one is in complete denial?  

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Good question.  

It's the difference between "Medical Students' Malady" and real mental illness.

When people are studying to be doctors or shrinks, they often mistakenly imagine they or their friends and family have every new disease they're studying that week.

The reason is that nobody's completely normal, everybody (in mental health terms) is the "walking wounded."

So they warned us about that at the front of my abnormal psych. textbook, and the first thing they did in the first chapter was set out where and how you draw the line between normal quirks and an actual mental illness.

Some of the major ones I remember is that the behavior is *vivid*---it stands out from the behavior of peers and the others just randomly walking around in life.

The person is clearly *suffering*---it is not a situation or behavior that the person is clearly happy as a clam with.

The symptoms/problem substantially interfere with or damage one or more major life activities.

The book had a list of about a half a dozen criteria like that, and someone didn't need to meet *all* of them to have a problem, but they *did* need to meed a significant number of them.

That's one of the reasons disorders defined in the DSM usually list a whole pack of symptoms and then say to be diagnosed with the disorder the patient has to have X or more of the symptoms in Y period of time.

A whole hell of a lot of these poor teens are being institutionalized for the equivalent of medical student's malady.  The people pushing these BM facilities put up a random list of alleged "symptoms" that adequately describe that horrible syndrome clinically known as "adolescence"---and then they tell the parents that the place they recommend can "help."

And then when the kid comes out two years later with some improvement, the parents gush about how much this or that school "helped" their kid.  So do some of the kids, until the PTSD kicks in.

And neither the parents nor the kid take into account how much of the terrible disorder "adolescence" would have been cured by warehousing the child anywhere OR just keeping him/her at home and *waiting*---for a year or two.

See, that's the thing about adolescents----give 'em a year or two and it makes a huge difference in behavior no matter *where* they are.

"The Program" and two years will get you a vastly improved kid in *EXACTLY* the same way that "The Program" and four bucks will get you a cup of espresso at Starbucks.

Gee, for an encore, why don't we sell ten year old girls a "magic" ring that is guaranteed to make them grow breasts within five years *OR YOUR MONEY BACK!*

The "Teen Help" industry is a *disgusting* scam for swindling parents out of the college savings they've accumulated for their offspring-----as well as the equity in their home and their retirement savings, if they're *real* suckers.

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« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2004, 01:21:00 PM »
Timoclea -

YES!  Thank you - you nailed it!
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« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2004, 07:09:00 PM »
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On 2004-06-05 10:21:00, Sara-1984 wrote:

"Timoclea -



YES!  Thank you - you nailed it!

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Indeed!

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"How are we supposed to know that they are not going to act?..."-- Summit County Sheriff Dave Edmunds


How do we know someone like Edmunds is not going to act out in some violent way?

This does relate to the industry in at least one very important way. One of the most compelling proposed solutions to the problem has been to provide for children in private lock-ups the same protections as those in government facilities.

And they want to accomplish this via Congress. Remember that, when our Congress was finally pressed to bring the penalties for crack into line w/ those for powder, they did so by toughening the penalties for powder. Seems to me they're doing just exactly the same thing to the public schools and juvenile justice systems. But, of course, if progress means forward movement, what other result did we really expect?

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« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2004, 09:21:00 PM »
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On 2004-06-05 16:09:00, Antigen wrote:


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"How are we supposed to know that they are not going to act?..."-- Summit County Sheriff Dave Edmunds




How do we know someone like Edmunds is not going to act out in some violent way?

I read that most of the violence in the US is committed by cops.


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This does relate to the industry in at least one very important way. One of the most compelling proposed solutions to the problem has been to provide for children in private lock-ups the same protections as those in government facilities.



And they want to accomplish this via Congress. Remember that, when our Congress was finally pressed to bring the penalties for crack into line w/ those for powder, they did so by toughening the penalties for powder. Seems to me they're doing just exactly the same thing to the public schools and juvenile justice systems. But, of course, if progress means forward movement, what other result did we really expect?

So, does this mean that the only way young people are going to get the same rights as adults, is if they start treating adults like kids?

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« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2004, 02:05:00 PM »
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On 2004-06-05 18:21:00, TimeBomb wrote:

So, does this mean that the only way young people are going to get the same rights as adults, is if they start treating adults like kids?


No, just treating themselves like sentient, free, soverign people and largely ignoring the busybodies who seek to exhert control of them beyond that authorized by our Constitution.

How's that for a plan?

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