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« Reply #60 on: December 20, 2004, 10:21:00 AM »
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On 2004-12-15 19:59:00, Anonymous wrote:

"you finally wrote something really worthwhile.

thank you.

what is your story? will you share with us your experience?

I know cedu lies too!

Keep it up, compadre."


I may have/ or may not have wrote that.
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« Reply #61 on: December 25, 2004, 10:46:00 PM »
please tell me hla isn't still like everything they are describing. my grandchild was placed there recently. if it is as bad as it was in the 70s how can we get this child out? can you provide any other informatin or head me in another direction? Your help is vital and very much appreciated
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« Reply #62 on: December 25, 2004, 11:30:00 PM »
It disgusts me to hear these stories that all of you are bringing forward. I was pulled from Boulder Creek Academy (one of the few remaining cedu schools of any stature) in August of '02 after 22 months. Boulder Creek seemed to be pretty much void of the molestation and absolute abuse you all are describing, but that in no way means that I do not believe it. These people had the power to do all that, so why wouldn't they?

I want to help in any way I can against any sort of cause that can bring cedu to its knees. I was not hurt in the ways you are describing, but I witnessed the lies, deceit, and certain degrees of abuse of power firsthand.

To the credit of the teacher who posted here, she/he is correct. If there was one group of cedu "staff" that had the students' well-being at heart 100% of the time, it was the un-contracted teachers. Much thanks to them for doing the best they possibly could to help us.
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« Reply #63 on: December 30, 2004, 05:32:00 PM »
I was a Cedu student for almost exactly 1 year, when the 'core' staff decided to go off and start the Cascade School. I was on my 'OutwardBound' (The first one that Dennis Crowell ran without Craig Cass along, in Mineral King)when most of the students were told of the move, and was greeted with the news of the Cascade move before we could even shower or eat, upon our return from OB... I made the decision to leave CEDU and join the other staff and students leaving for the 'new school', on my birthday (which coincidently was the official day that marked the beggining of Cascade School and was celebrated as founders day from then on). There was the typical birthday thing with a house around the pit, at lunch time, and I was told directly after that, that I needed to go pack my belongings and be off the property by 2:30pm.
 We were not privy to much of the decision making processes that went into the move, so I really don't know what the motivation was for most of the staff. Much of what I've been reading here about sexual abuse is news to me, but not really surprising. I do remember one staff being asked to resign after he was caught with his hand in a female students cookie jar...The verbal and mental abuse seemed to be the most common (that I know of)
I too have been in raps/propheets, where the pressure to 'cop out' to 'dirt' was so immense, that I had to make up some devious deeds to cop out to. On one occasion, in my 'I want to Live' propheet, the pressure to cop out was so bad, that I made up a lie about trying to poison my mother. I was then made to TELL my mother this, which understanably strained our relationship for quite awhile. Between 'Power Tripping Interns' and undertrained and sometimes dysfunctional staff, I did witness mental abuse in many forms while I was there.
 There are still things I look back on fondly. Mostly relationships, and the bonds that are built between peers under durress. Outward Bound was amazing, but the first one was ruined with the news of the staff leaving, so I did a second one at Cascade. Also did a 28 day trip along the John Muir Trail, from Yosemite to Mt Whitney. I was scheduled to go on the '86 Italy trip, but it was cancelled after the US airstrikes on Libya... It wasn't until shortly after I left that I realized that I was merely a dollar sign to many at of the staff at Cascade. The whole line about 'this will always be your home' quickly changed to 'We heard that you are not doing very well on your own, so we don't want you to come visit and poison our environment'.
 I had no idea about the Cascade School closing until a couple days ago, and I am still somewhat shocked over it. I have lost touch with almost all of the people I once knew from Cedu/Cascade. I miss them all, and hope that everyone is doing well...
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« Reply #64 on: December 30, 2004, 07:21:00 PM »
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On 2004-12-25 19:46:00, Anonymous wrote:

"please tell me hla isn't still like everything they are describing. my grandchild was placed there recently. if it is as bad as it was in the 70s how can we get this child out? can you provide any other informatin or head me in another direction? Your help is vital and very much appreciated"


You might petition the family courts in the child's home jurisdiction for custody or at least for a writ of habeas corpus. Ask around, though. Start your own thread. I know for a fact there are people in these forums who have been in your shoes and who would be glad to share what they've learned.

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« Reply #65 on: December 31, 2004, 04:38:00 PM »
Rudy is in Santa Fe as a "Consultant".  Do a google search. You'll find him.  And for the person who was "100%" sure that he was there in the early 70's, he was not.  He started at Cedu in 79 or 80.  Before that he lived in Los Angeles, before that Western Massachusetts and before that from Pennsylvania where he grew up.

I knew him well in the "pre-Cedu" days.
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« Reply #66 on: January 09, 2005, 06:26:00 PM »
[ This Message was edited by: iknowcedulies on 2005-04-15 13:13 ]
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« Reply #67 on: January 24, 2005, 07:06:00 PM »
I can't believe it -- Rudy is still doing the devil's bidding. These ed consultants are the worst offenders in my book. They sell lies and misrepresent themselves as experts. The only qualification most of them have is experience working as line staff at an abusive school.

When are people going to start suing these motherfuckers.
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« Reply #68 on: January 24, 2005, 07:34:00 PM »
what benz does is fraud  and  taught to him by the synanon racket that molested many and thought they helped everyone . they used us to fuck us up while  saying  "our program works if you do whatever we say"  "we are about making friends"
  whenever they accuse their victims of something they are projecting  that means it is them who are guilty of whatever they are saying, whatever they say it is really the other way around   they have conned many with their "i am your friend " crap.  they only care about themselves and brainwashing you with their be loyal crap. they have quite a racket and think they are all so loyal.  what about those you ruined ?   guess there is an excuse for that ?   [ This Message was edited by: wiseup on 2005-04-15 13:17 ]
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« Reply #69 on: February 04, 2005, 10:37:00 PM »
I'm blown away reading these posts,  I hope you are still reading the replies.  I was in cedu from 1973  to 1975.  I think you are talking about Rudy (I can't remember his last name right now)from the 70's who is now deceased and they are talking about some guy named rudy bentz who was there later.  My memories of allgood and meltzer  and danielle are a little different.  This is the first I've been hearing of molestation.  I'm sorry, no matter how I feel about them personally,  I have a hard time beleiving the physical abuse stuff.   Mental, yes,  but I can't see eric beating  the shit out of some kid.  allgood was a queen, I agree, but more like queen bee.  I would like to talk to you more on my board which is  called therapsheet.  Here's the url:  http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/therapsheet/
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« Reply #70 on: February 08, 2005, 07:10:00 AM »
I was at Cascade shortly after you founded the place. It was a nightmare. We were all convinced that this was the best place for us, even though something registered as being VERY wrong. Danielle was at Cascade, hell she taught me how to knitt. Most of us knew Michael was gay, it was obvious. I felt sorry for Danielle. Profeets and raps were torture on a new level. The anger and agression that people were attacked with was surreal. They never taught us how to let go of the anger they brought up in us. They charged up the anger had us beating pillows (which I beat until my hands were bleeding) yet it just lingered there waiting to be set off again.
I conformed as a result of the "Cascade way." I left 6 months before my graduation under bad circumstances. I lost everything as a result of not knowing how to cope with the situation or who to turn to. I lost the bond of trust and ran away. Maybe it would have been different had my father not absused me.
I never did learn how to effectively deal with life situations and as an end result I call people on their bs, and it doesn't fly in 'real life.' People in general don't want the truth and when you're the truth police you end up isolating yourself. Even now, I prefer to be alone, friends are too expensive- in all aspects.
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« Reply #71 on: February 08, 2005, 05:55:00 PM »
What Are Some Characteristics of a Cult?
Authoritarian in their power structure
Totalitarian in their control of the behavior of their members
Pyramidal structure
Uses thought reform techniques
Isolation of members (physical and/or psychological isolation) from society
Uses deception in recruiting and/or fund raising
Promotes dependence of the members on the group
Totalitarian in their world view
Uses mind altering techniques (chanting, meditation, hypnosis and various forms of repetitive actions) to stop normal critical thinking
Appear exclusive and innovative
Charismatic or messianic leader who is self-appointed and has a special mission in life
Controls the flow of information
Instills a fear of leaving the group. (See AFF)
Article:
What messages are behind today's cults? by Philip Zimbardo, Ph. D. from May APA Monitor.


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« Reply #72 on: February 08, 2005, 06:34:00 PM »
you mean like the Marines?  The Air Force, the Army?  Religion, medical associations, schools and colleges?  All of which have to conform to standards of behavior which is the norm for functioning in that environment.  People can be persuaded to do things that are harmful and dangerous, i.e., Jim Jones, but in most instances the structure of civilization is the result of organized cultural norms and mores.  If you compare CEDU to the Marines, that's good for me.  

Maybe there is room up in the woods in Utah or Oregon for those that cannot conform to society.  CEDU teaches the kids to conform to what is expected in today's society.
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« Reply #73 on: February 08, 2005, 10:42:00 PM »
Did you send your kid to CEDU?
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« Reply #74 on: February 08, 2005, 11:08:00 PM »
yes, is this a trick question? setting me up for a flame mail?  hope not.  We just made the best decision we could for our child.  He has done well.
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