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« Reply #75 on: April 10, 2005, 07:00:00 PM »
What an absolute bunch of lies.  I was a former student in the Dominican Republic and spent nearly a year there in the early 90's.  Just to set the record straight, I was NOT a gang member, drug user, sex addict, prostitute, nor was I homeless or a run away.  I don't know what possesed my parents to send me down there other than the fact that some of the great right wing, fundamental Christian evangalists such as James Dobson who are clearly in bed with Tim Blossom, the director of this school, get on radio and television and tell people what a great school it is.  
I would challenge this teacher to place his right hand on a Bible and tell you that students at Escuela Caribe are not abused and broken.  When a studend first arrives at Escuela Caribe, they are searched and all materials deemed innapropriate are confiscated immediately.  This includes make up, jewelry of any kind, pictures or letters that they don't feel you need to have, etc.  The student is then placed on level 0 for two weeks.  While on level 0, students are not allowed to go ANYWHERE without the permission of their housefather.  The student must ask to walk from the bedroom to the bathroom, in and out of the house, up and down the steps, etc.  Students who can't comply with the "rules" are abused, plain and simple.  I have vivid memories of students being left in push up position for hours on end and being spanked (beat) into submission by Phil Redwine with a leather strap.  Students are only allowed to talk to their parents once every two or three months and on Christmas and their birthday.  Even then, the phone call is only twenty minutes and your housefather is listening to the entire conversation on another extension and will terminate the phone call if the student says anything about the torture that is taking place.  Of course, most students wouldn't dare to say anything of the sort to their parents because they are thousands of miles away and have clearly been brainwahsed by the staff of this institution anyway.  All incoming and outgoing mail is read and if the staff doesn't like what is said, the mail is not sent or received.  
I would challenge the teacher to tell this board about the quiet room and the students that are housed there.  I will gladly answer any questions about this institution and can be reached at Toddmcbain@aol.com.
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« Reply #76 on: April 13, 2005, 04:24:00 PM »
Our Friend just got sent there and we were wondering if we could do anything to get him back or at least contact him. His parents won't listen to us and his brother is already there. We know he has a history and we don't know everything but we know him and really want him to be ok. So please give us some advice. His parents are wrong but is it even possible for them to be right?
We'll check back.
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« Reply #77 on: April 13, 2005, 06:14:00 PM »
There is nothing that you can do to contact him if his parents have him on a no contact list.

Is there a neutral person that could talk to the parents?  Like a minister?  Or a teacher?  

If I were you I would show them this website, and the other website mentioned...maybe if they read up on all the crazy stuff that happens at EC they will have a change of heart.

I came out of that place traumatized.  SO did a lot of others.  It is a bad place.
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« Reply #78 on: April 13, 2005, 06:59:00 PM »
Dre is right, if his parents don't want you to contact him, you can't.  I would definately tell them about our site on Yahoo.  His parents are free to contact me at Toddmcbain@aol.com, as are you if you have any other questions.  I was there for a year in the 90's and it wasn't good.  Many of the people on our other board are now well educated adults.  Maybe if the parents speak to some of us or understand what is really going on there, they will change their minds.  My prayers are with your friend, he's going to need them.
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« Reply #79 on: April 14, 2005, 12:14:00 AM »
i can tell you a million stories about new horizons  and escuela caribe. i was there from 85-90.... i still hold the "record" for longest stay......... and the record for longest uninterrupted stay in the "quiet room"
unofficially i was the staffs punching bag.... if any of your kids or friends are there.... dont hold out much hope.... they WILL eventually return but the poeple you knew will be forever changed and gone
want to talk to me about it? contact me on yahoo mssgr  hysteria_motorsports  or msn mssgr offroadinsanity@cs.com
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« Reply #80 on: April 14, 2005, 04:41:00 PM »
I do want to say... I am a former student who is very thankful for the program.. Their are others of us that feel that way.. My graduating class I keep in contact with each and everyone of them and we all feel that way... Alot of what is posted here is CRAP.. You all are speaking smack.. Things do happen .. For instance I was scape goated by house staff.. But as soon as Administration found out they were yanked from the house and left the program. I also know of another staff member that was fired last year to protect the students down there. Without the program alot of you all would have died, killed yourself, not delt with the abuse in your past ect... 90% of the girls sent down their have been sexually abused in their past.. overall 75% of the students are drug abusers/ gang members ect. you are not just sent there because your parents are overreacting. Their is a reason, and you are lying if you say you didnt know why before you left.. Alot of students do go back to bad habits.. Hell my best friend is drinking himself to death.. But in talking with him its because he regrets not dealing with some of his issues while he was in the program and feels guilty about it. I also know for a fact that thier are atleast 10 former students that are NOW staff members between all 3 programs.....
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« Reply #81 on: April 14, 2005, 07:22:00 PM »
Yo anonymous...if you want to defend the program so badly...why don't you use your name?

. Without the program alot of you all would have died, killed yourself, not delt with the abuse  in your past ect...

Did Tim Blossom get you to memorize that?

How are you supposed to "deal" with abuse when the only certification the counseling staff has is that they are Christian? They don't even have to have a college degree...check out the NHA job vacancies.

I was given some bad advice down there...

I also was physically and emotionally abused. It left me traumatized for years. I still have nightmares, and I'm 31.

Girls in my house were sexually abused by the housefather.  I saw kids physically abused.  I saw kids piss on themselves because their housefathers refused to allow them to use the bano.

Housefathers were given God-like status, and a lot of them abused that.  They tortured kids.

90% of the girls sent down their have been sexually abused in their past.. overall 75% of the students are drug abusers/ gang members ect. you are not just sent there because your parents are overreacting. Their is a reason, and you are lying if you say...

Where did you get these statistics from?  Why would you treat someone who was abused the way they mistreat students?

I knew one "gang member."

 The treatment down there did not help me with sexual abuse issues.  A certain female staff member tended to project her own issues to other students.  Most of the staff were sexually inexperienced in addition to being untrained...and in general unhelpful to females with sexual abuse issues. I know a lot of women who struggle with the same sex issues afterwards that they did before, only they are magnified now because they were locked up in the DR instead of dealing with their issues.

Why the use of confrontational tactics/ humiliation/ harsh punishment?
Why does the program feel it necessary to restrict the movements of children? to make them ask to step in and out of the rooms? To give them pushups for not staying within an arms' length of the housefather? to treat kids like criminals?

Why did we have to work all the time?  Why not spend some time developing hobbies?  I had a hard time with all the free time for years...didn't know what I should be doing.  I don't like television and now hate to clean (type 2 personality).

What is the purpose for all that? It's not Biblical...Jesus said "do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

Not everyone down there is corrupt...but the program as a whole is harmful to kids....I have been in contact with a lot of people from throughout the years (85-2003) who have been harmed by that place...who feel that the best lesson they learned is to trust no one...that the way to handle your emotions is to pretend you don't have them. This has wreaked havoc on my interpersonal life. I have had to undergo a lot of therapy to get to a better place.

Those lessons are suicide on the outside.

We didn't even get a decent education. You cannot argue with me on that.

I am sorry because I know you are really hurting.  It is hard to face the truth...that our parents made a mistake and left us to the mercy of zealots.

Read up on the Stanford prison experiment (www.prisonexp.org). It might help you understand why when programs are isolated...people conform to their basest instincts, just by the nature of the isolation.

If you want to discuss this in more detail...meet up with other survivors at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Escuela_Caribe/

Good luck!
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« Reply #82 on: April 20, 2005, 03:33:00 AM »
I sure hope that before you would ever consider sending your child there, you would check with more past students. They put the past students on display that they want you to see. I suffered physical and emotional abuse there. I am not alone. Many past students have discussed their situations. Most were a hellish existance.
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« Reply #83 on: April 20, 2005, 12:58:00 PM »
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On 2005-04-14 13:41:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I do want to say... I am a former student who is very thankful for the program.. Their are others of us that feel that way.. My graduating class I keep in contact with each and everyone of them and we all feel that way... Alot of what is posted here is CRAP.. You all are speaking smack.. Things do happen .. For instance I was scape goated by house staff.. But as soon as Administration found out they were yanked from the house and left the program. I also know of another staff member that was fired last year to protect the students down there. Without the program alot of you all would have died, killed yourself, not delt with the abuse in your past ect... 90% of the girls sent down their have been sexually abused in their past.. overall 75% of the students are drug abusers/ gang members ect. you are not just sent there because your parents are overreacting. Their is a reason, and you are lying if you say you didnt know why before you left.. Alot of students do go back to bad habits.. Hell my best friend is drinking himself to death.. But in talking with him its because he regrets not dealing with some of his issues while he was in the program and feels guilty about it. I also know for a fact that thier are atleast 10 former students that are NOW staff members between all 3 programs..... "


"Speaking smack"?  Who talks like that?  Is that program jargon or some teenage slang I'm too old for?

You imply a vastly overinflated risk of untimely death to "troubled teens." (which is cult propaganda they indoctrinated you with)

The National Institutes of Mental Health says programs like Escuela Caribe do more harm than good for patients with mental illnesses.  Programs like Escuela Caribe do a very poor job of screening out those patients to keep them out of their program.

No matter how "thankful" you are, you don't have the right to okay a excessively risky and unethical treatment model for someone else---and forcing people into involuntary treatment to "deal with" having been victims of sexual abuse *IS* excessively risky and unethical as hell. (the idea that this is good or even okay is cult propaganda they indoctrinated you with)

You are acting like a cult member or cult survivor whose head is still in the cult, because instead of just admitting that other people have different feelings and opinions about what happened there, you're still spouting cult propaganda and making excuses for things they did that were unethical.

Also, frequently programs force self-disclosure and self-confessions that participants make up just to get left alone.  The idea that 90% of the girls *really were* sexually abused or that 75% really were gang members or had done more than a bit of *casual* drug use is cult propaganda they indoctrinated you with.  In just about all defunct programs, it turns out not to have been true.  In just about all programs, survivors turn up saying they were socially pressured to confess things and made deep dark secrets up to stop the pressure OR that small amounts of casual drug use were inflated by staff and exagerated by staff to be huge drug problems.

You probably don't *feel* like you're making excuses for them, or like you still believe things they told you that turn out not to have been true, but you still are and you still do.

I'm not saying you *aren't* very thankful for the program.

I am saying they told you some stuff that wasn't true--or that they had exaggerated a whole lot--so you would make excuses for them, and since you still believe it, you still are making excuses for them.

They exaggerated the risk of suicide or other death---in what they implied, without really giving you hard numbers.

They exaggerated the risk that the sexual abuse survivors would either not get *ethical* help on their own later in life *or* would not figure out some way to cope with what happened to them on their own.

They exaggerated casual drug use into a bigger problem than it was and downplayed how many people would either stop it on their own once they were out of their teens *OR* would keep it at low casual use rates if they continued it.

They exaggerated the proportion of hard-core drug addicts or alcoholics that stayed in remission after their treatment as opposed to other treatments--again, probably just by heavy implication and without giving you hard numbers.

They exaggerated all these things to inflate your feeling that you and all the others there with you were in horrible danger, and your feeling that their efforts would reduce the danger to you and all the others by a whole lot, to get you to believe that the ends justified the means and get you to make excuses for them when they did unethical things----like forcing sexual abuse victims to "deal with" their past against their free choice and with counselors they wouldn't have chosen for themselves and who weren't qualified to treat people for rape trauma.

They misled you with a lot of carefully calculated half-truths to get you to make excuses for them and think "it was necessary" or "it was for their own good" when they did unethical things to you and the other kids there.

If kids were *really* not sent there when their parents were overreacting, and if there *really* weren't treatment options or other facilities much  more appropriate to any problems those kids might have, *WHY* are the programs dead set against having an independent psychiatrist and an independent licensed social worker interview each child, and look at his or her whole history, before placement and be able to agree or disagree about whether that child needs to be in a facility or not?

If the child really needs to be in not only a facility, but in a facility taking that kind of kid under that particular treatment model, then a social worker and a psychiatrist would *surely* agree that the child needed to be there, wouldn't they?  

I mean, if it's so plainly obvious that the parents are NOT overreacting, why would anyone think a social worker and a psychiatrist wouldn't be able to tell the kid was so fucked up?

So if these kids are really so fucked up and in so much danger, *WHY* is it that the programs are all scared shitless at the thought of having independent professionals review the kid and the kid's whole history to make sure the placement is necessary and appropriate?

I mean, the parents have positive drug tests from the hospital for all these major druggie kids, right?  If the kid's a major gang-banger, she's probably been skipping school a lot and it shows up in attendance records, or has had a huge drop in grades---I mean, you can't spend all your time out gang-banging and still get your homework done.

If the kid has really been sexually abused, wouldn't there be notes in an outpatient therapist's records (most likely), or (in rarer cases) a police report, or the parents could point to another child or children who had been abused by the same perp, or a hospital rape-kit administered, or some kind of corroborating contact with *somebody*?  Even maybe an ob/gyn report corroborating sexual activity?

If there are none of these things--not even an admission to the kid's own therapist or a statement by some other adult the kid confided it to--and the kid just "admits" a past of sexual abuse in a program, isn't there a chance the kid made up something to disclose just so they'd be left alone?

If the programs are so clean, why are they so adamantly opposed to letting a totally independent psychiatrist and a totally independent social worker review the case *before* admission?  Or in the 72 hour evaluation period in a hospital that they can use in almost any state to hold someone for evaluation?

It seems to me that if you're going to get a passport and spend hundreds of dollars on a plane ticket and thousands of dollars a month to pay the facility, that you can spend $200 or so for that pair of evaluations.

It seems to me that if the programs *WERE* on the up and up like you say this program was, that the programs would be enthusiastically supporting each state providing a list of qualified independent psychiatrists and social workers available to do pre-placement evaluations, for a reasonable fee, consistent with an emergency inpatient admission.

If they're so necessary and honest and helpful, why are they trying so hard to hide in the shadows?

Timoclea
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« Reply #84 on: April 20, 2005, 01:16:00 PM »
***Programs like Escuela Caribe do a very poor job of screening out those patients to keep them out of their program.

Not only do they do a poor job 'screening', they actually profess to 'treat' these things.
Look at this brand new wilderness program and what they claim to treat:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=0#95280
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« Reply #85 on: April 21, 2005, 01:45:00 AM »
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"I do want to say... I am a former student who is very thankful for the program.. Their are others of us that feel that way.. My graduating class I keep in contact with each and everyone of them and we all feel that way... Alot of what is posted here is CRAP.. You all are speaking smack.. Things do happen .. For instance I was scape goated by house staff.. But as soon as Administration found out they were yanked from the house and left the program. I also know of another staff member that was fired last year to protect the students down there. Without the program alot of you all would have died, killed yourself, not delt with the abuse in your past ect... 90% of the girls sent down their have been sexually abused in their past.. overall 75% of the students are drug abusers/ gang members ect. you are not just sent there because your parents are overreacting. Their is a reason, and you are lying if you say you didnt know why before you left.. Alot of students do go back to bad habits.. Hell my best friend is drinking himself to death.. But in talking with him its because he regrets not dealing with some of his issues while he was in the program and feels guilty about it. I also know for a fact that thier are atleast 10 former students that are NOW staff members between all 3 programs..... "


I don't know when you were there. I truely hope it was recently and that things have changed. I was in the DR from 88-90 then in Canada and and Marion. I finally left in 92. You were only there a year, thank God for that. Maybe you closed your eyes to the situation of others around you, I don't know. When I first "got out" I was AFRAID to say anything poor of the school. They put fear in me that has lasted. I hope that if this is what you are going thru you will be able to work thru it better than I have been able to. Seems like if it were just 1 or 2 people saying bad things you could say we were talking "smack". However, I know of at least 25 people with similar stories. Hard to believe that people who haven't been there for 15-20 years would still care so much to find these sites as adults and say these things if it was just to talk smack.
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« Reply #86 on: April 25, 2005, 05:14:00 PM »
I found this forum, and thank god for everyones candid discussion- disclosure about this place. i have been through all three of the NHA  re-education camps canada, Escuela caribe, and marion ind.
I witnessed, in the 2 yrs i was in the DR, a programm
filled with abusive bastards with serious illusions of god-hood. I myself went there as a 13 yo, who didnt smoke,  didnt drink, didnt do drugs, and wasnt sexually active. When i showed up to the dr their goal was to crush anything you believed as reality, and force you < with severe pyshical consequences>
to except their reality.

If you didnt gobble up their bullshit and smile, as if they were god himself,  then let me tell you a few of the consequinces. My favorite was the  Quite
Room , where you were stripped to ur underwear
forced into a cement cell with metal bars, depraived of food, forced to crap in a tin can   then you had to recite bible verses, and scrubb blackened cooking pots while kneeling on the cementfloor of the QR. This would last for days.

I also liked the special punishment of "running a casita", but it wasnt the half mile run up a 50 dergree hill, it was the 3 cement blocks on each shoulder, courtesy of mr Phil Redwine himself.

The one that fucked kids up to was the being on silence. thats total silence, try being one silence for  2 weeks, during which you pissed yourself numerous times, because you couldnt say anything "like may i please use the bano" and the staff conveniently ignored the words "bano please" that youve writtin on the tablet around ur neck.

I also loved the pyshical abuse heaped upon those who dared to hold onto any thread of reality beyond the programs. I experienced it first hand, i especially loved the routine lashings that mr Phil Redwine, oh, so loved to dish out regularly whenever he needed a "pick me up".I would love to meet him in a dark alley and re-arrange his attitude on the treatment of "kids", bet ur not so tough with my hi-tech boot on ur forehead Phil.

Anyway as far as the program helping kids, thats a load of bs. Of the  people that i had knew there
92-95 and that i have looked up recently. a few are dead from unatural causes , a few are in jail for life terms, and others are just floating around trying to survive. I'm not saying that the NHA is responsible for everything that has happened to a lot us, but as far as a track record goes..substandard at best. Parents beware this place is not what Tim Blossom describes to you,
and when ur kids come bak a wee bit "twisted"
im sure they will really thank you.
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« Reply #87 on: May 02, 2005, 10:17:00 PM »
We are not lying about why we were sent there.
1)our parents were failures at their own goals.
2)they assumed a more militant and authoritarian Christianity would keep us in line.
3)we were living unchristian lives.
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« Reply #88 on: May 10, 2005, 04:57:00 PM »
I am Jon Burchel.

I was in the Dominican Republic and in Marion.  The allegations of abuse which I have heard are all from people whom I also know to have been, and currently to REMAIN, in many cases (Gil Meyersdorf, Josh Sierk, Julia Scheeres) pathological liars, or supporters of them, even knowingly, because the lies they spew can help their agenda, which is to avenge an old gruge because they never grew up and REALIZED why they were down there in the first place, and what they needed to do to move on and live a better life than they had before.

They have this huge forum over at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Escuela_Caribe/.

I joined, because a friend referred me and I thought it was an alumni group, you know, get in touch with old friends, reminisce about the fun we had and the comardarie, what not, the staff members we still miss to this day, and love....

But what I found was a bunch of pathetic whiners, mostly, and some well intentioned but misled innocents as well, but at the head of that beast over there, Julia Scheeres, bitter, hateful and raging and stuck on abuses she imagines but never experienced - I was there with the bat.  Her and Josh Sierk are batty as hell, and are bent on revenge against their hated enemies.  But the one who takes the cake over there is Gil.  Read this below, an account of how Gil deceieved me for craven purposes and cruelly, to try to advance his pathetic agenda against the only people who ever could have helped him, most likely.  Now apparently he lives in a fantasy world where he works for the Mossad and deals in anti-terrorism work.  Yet, his email exchanges with me revealed him to be vastly ignorant of most basic network security knowledge, and as he demonstrated himself to be capable of any degree of deception, I no longer trust ANYTHING he says about himself, AND ESPECIALLY those lies he and his pals have spewed about the place that saved my life.

I love New Horizons, and thank them, even though they are made of humans, and every human makes errors.  When they did, though, they were corrected, addressed.  They were fair, and full of integrity.

Here is my testimony against Gil to that forum, which was removed by Julia and Josh and he immediately thereafter, and I have remained banned ever since while Gil spews lies that he has been hacked and I am spoofing the whole thign.  I offered legal proof of the entire exchange, including originating computers, timestamps and content.  He didn't bother to respond, merely attacked me again.  Josh attacked also, interestingly, without bothering to request any sign of the proof I offered freely (and still do).  Julia, she is the White Queen over there, the head of their politburo, and made the "call" to just ban me AND remove the relevant posts...  Such a nasty affair, rather just move on (well, except from those percieved abuses they made up from decades ago).

Here's the original post:

This is my final post in your forum.  I do wish you all the best (those who did not deceive me at least)!

 

I cannot believe it!  The level some people will stoop to.

 

Last night, I was moved. I read quickly a note the housefather on here had written, that he was going to bed and had put the kids down.  It was touching to me, I remembered how it was, the camaraderie of the house, something I have never had much before or since, sadly for me.  :`(  But anyway, boo hoo..  So I was writing an email privately to thank the house father for his work there and also for his commitment to be in the forum, which I think is good and kind, and shows he is committed to the kids who are gone, not just the kids he is serving now.  But somehow, I got the wrong address?

 

Normally, when I email to the wrong address, the person will email back, tell me I got it wrong.

 

But no, Gilly Gil didn?t do that.  He asked me who I thought he was.  So I said, innocently, ?the house father?.  And he proceeded to ensnare me in a long conversation as though he were the house father.  Many of his initial responses in email were consistent with what I would expect a house father to say, encouragement for my walk with God, etc.

 

But then he started talking about what must be done to stop these people.  My advice to him, my ?dastardly plan? to ?thwart you guys??  It was to allow things to proceed exactly as they are, and trust the truth is found out on its own by God?s hand.  Pretty nasty stuff, huh?  Oh yeah, lest I forget, I also suggested? hide the kids? that New Horizons might establish an official alumni site open to all former staff and students period, and where the only rules are no profanity, basic decency (none of which I EVER violated in here, despite your continual cries that I attacked you, I just made arguments contrary to your positions generally, I have reread all my posts, but never mind the truth, right, if it is inconvenient for your agenda?)

 

But I guess Gil wasn?t satisfied with that.  He replied that yes, this was already being worked on (whatever that meant) by someone else, but they needed me for a special job, they had been praying for someone.  Well, this seems just right up my alley, New Horizons needed me for work, and I have retired for the most part now, and do not much but play around and surf the web and work out, so have hoped and prayed fervently for some purpose in my life, something to do you know, that could matter, beyond just for myself.  So I thought this might be God giving me an opportunity to serve.  Of course, then, I replied, YES, whatever they needed of me, I would love to help the program.  But I admitted, I didn?t know how I could help them.  I told him my wealth is limited and I cannot make large donations if I intend to live out my days in peace without going broke, so what could I do?  I told him I am ok with words, good at arguing, and persuasive sometimes, maybe I can testify in court if they bring lawsuits against the program which are frivolous, I volunteered to do that, to write letters of recommendation for the program reflecting my own experience, whatever!

 

But still, old Gilly Gil wasn?t satisfied?  He probed further, was elusive in his language, trying to ensnare me.  I will post the entire transcript of our exchange last night if anyone doubts it, and I can prove it all, the records are in the network permanently and irretrievably, much to Gil?s lame realization, only too late.

 

Now, in these emails to the ?house father?, I was being emotional as I tend to be, you know?  I confessed my sin, told him I was not sure I could actually serve the program in any productive way, as I am mired in my sins, which I have mentioned previously, and am unable to do much but please myself it seems, as far as for God.  I was speaking from the heart.  Apparently Gilly Gil thought that was cute, because he kept on going.

 

He told me I should start deleting my emails between us.  This raised a red flag, or should have, but it was by then late, and I figured, maybe I am ignorant, there are people who are seeking to do harm that are more serious and dastardly than anything I had imagined, who knew?  At any rate, this gullible fool me did not hesitate long enough, I consented, started deleting the emails (from my local machine, luckily, only).  I didn?t really take it seriously, I mean, I know how the net works, but I thought, if it makes him happy that I did, maybe that is fine, I will honor his request.

 

But then he started saying how they wanted someone to strike God?s wrath on ?these people?.  So I was very disturbed.  I immediately replied I did not understand what he could mean, what he could be referring to, that God would never have me violate the law, etc.  But I agreed, sure, within the bounds of the law (meaning in the arena of ideas, as we live in a civil society and everybody knows that), I would do all I could to thwart what in some cases I see as being unjust attacks on those who are doing God?s work.

 

Immediately, of course, he backed off, he realized my character could not be tricked by his stupid ploy, and it was pointless.  He then just proceeded to try to make me feel as though New Horizons was rejecting my service, because I didn?t ?make the grade?, just told me they were very concerned about me and would pray Satan did not take me back, etc., that he could not believe I would imagine they would ever suggest such a thing as violate the law (what else could ?deliver God?s wrath? have meant, jerk?) and then stopped replying to all my emails suddenly.  I was distraught, he had told me in the previous emails that they were ?rejoicing? over finding me to help them in some unique way for which only I appeared to be qualified.  I figured they were dazzled by my blazingly brilliant intellect, wanted me to do something with that.  I was disappointed, they just were looking for a hit man or something??!  Buddha on a stick!!  What was I to think?  I loved these people and thought they were righteous? I finally just went to bed.


In the morning, still, no reply from old tricky Gilly Gil.  I was very sad.  I thought I had blown my chance to serve in some unique way, but also, I was confused, why would the people I had trusted try to ensnare me in some evil apparently, doing something to harm people who disagreed with the program or whatnot.  But then it hit me, in the very beginning, Gil had asked who I thought he was.  I just said, ?the housefather?, and trusted the person I was speaking to was not a pathological liar.  Obviously that was a serious mistake, and I was very naïve?  I checked the email out, ran through the history of more posts than I had previously (there are thousands of them, you can?t expect I have read every single one on my first couple days, I just read recent ones at first, but quite a few of them, just was not following closely who was who, didn?t realize I would need to be careful, you know).  I realized Gil is opposed to the program.  I realized he was no house father.  He was tricking me cruelly and callously and cravenly to try to ensnare and twist the truth, a deceiver in every way!

 

I proceeded to verbally tear old Gil a new asshole via emails, if you?ll pardon the term (but I was not the first member of your esteemed forum to introduce this language, recall, just the first one to be chastised for my style of writing and insulted over and over and condescended to with shallow apologies that admitted no real offense, only perception or ?lack of patience for fools?).  To which he replied lamely that his email ?appeared to have been hijacked?, and to follow that with threats that I have ?violated several laws? and he will try to prosecute me in Canada and ?inform the authorities?.  Ok, Gilly Gil, whatever you say?  He even said I had agreed to commit terrorist acts!  Hahaha Obviously not realizing I have a full transcript of our entire conversation, and have no reason to fear whatsoever.

 

If anyone doubts, I can post the entire pathetic conversation with timestamps, IP addresses, for proof, I am happy to, I could even get Google to provide a sworn affidavit that it is not altered from what is stored in their server cluster if anyone demands it, sure.  :wink:  Would just take some time, and I?m not paying for it if it costs anything, you will have to pay, as the inquisitor.

 

But this should go a long way to illustrate for any of the willing, that the people most opposed to the program in here may be willing to do things, even distort the truth or lie outright, or hurt someone?s feelings without even caring (as Gil did mine with his petty deception) in order to advance an agenda against perceived abuses which are petty compared to actual abuses going on all around us in the world every day, just to try to get revenge, I still allege that is the real motivation for much of what I have seen here.  Allison is an exception, some others, but the dominant negative posters appear bent on revenge, IMHO.

 

So curse me, sure.  ?Stand up for yourself? all you want Josh, I am not trying to attack you anyway, I never did once.  It was all of you who attacked me, while sidestepping all my arguments, dismissing them as boring or clutter in your glorious pristine email inboxes.  You are all whitewashed sepulchers, I swear, nothing ever changes in this world, not in 6000 years?

 

But the world is changing soon, and I will welcome a better day when it arrives.  You will all benefit from it too, deserve it or not, if you live that long.  J

 

Gil, you are FAT and UGLY in that picture of you which you posted.  Figures somebody that ugly would grow up to be a pathological liar.

 

Jon
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« Reply #89 on: May 10, 2005, 05:04:00 PM »
I'm not a user of this system, but I am not afraid to tell you I am Jon Burchel, in the DR as a student in 90-91, in Marion in 91.  See my post above.

All the claims of abuse are being made by anonymous posters...

If you expect ANYONE to believe you, you should put your money where your mouths are and sign affidavits, or at least put your pathetic NAMES on your posts?!  Hell people!

I was never abused, I never witnessed abuse except for one borderline situation, and that house father was fired and disgraced when the facts came to light (because I later went to another staff member who promptly reported it up the chain of command in the program's hierarchy of authority, as he should have)

Pathetic jokes, these bitter people who refused to grow when they had the chance, now they are calcified in 13 year old minds, most of them...

Jon Burchel
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