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Offline jcb269

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« on: April 26, 2004, 02:05:00 AM »
Does anyone know anything about a school called Positive Impact in Bahia de Kino Mexico?  My parents sent my younger brother to Second Nature in Utah and after that he is going to Positive Imact for 14 months.  I am worried that it will turn out like one of the WWASP programs.  Interestingly there was a WWASP program that was closed down for abuse called "High" Impact and was listed as having been in baja (same area).  I am wondering if WWASP just recycled the program under a new name and fake company, like was done with Coral Reef Academy.  Any help would be greatly appreciated...he leaves in 3 weeks.  thanks
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« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2004, 06:52:00 PM »
Here's an ad:

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Positive Impact
Drug and Alcohol Treatment in Mexico  
Contact Person:
Linda Schlagel
Phone Number:
877-236-1114
Email Address:
http://www.mytroubledteen.com/441.html



Anyone familiar w/ Linda Schlagel?

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« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2004, 08:03:00 PM »
Didn't Tim Weiner write about Positive Impact in his article in the NY Times.  I remember reading something about it.  It was made out in the article to be a "better" place then Casa.  Of course who "really" knows.
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« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2004, 08:39:00 PM »
Positive Impact is not associated or affileated with WWASP.
You don't find internet sites devoted to the support of Positive Impact survivors; or for exposing the abuse and neglect at Positive Impact, for what that might be worth. . .
They *seem* to be well thought of by the treatment community, for what that might be worth. . .
and thats all I know.
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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2004, 09:44:00 PM »
"for what that might be worth"....who really knows?...in there lies the danger..."for what it might be worth."
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« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2004, 10:42:00 PM »
You also don't see forum dedicated to the hundreds of other programs out there.  That doesn't make it okay, just too small potatoes for a forum.
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« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2004, 10:44:00 PM »
Positive Impact isn't affiliated with Cedu or Aspen Education Group, etc., either.  That would be a huge red flag for me.  No oversight by a bigger entity, plus they are out of the country.  Casa by the Sea has a great reputation in their community, so why do you think Positive Impact is better.  A Program is a Program.
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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2004, 12:17:00 AM »
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Casa by the Sea has a great reputation in their community, so why do you think Positive Impact is better.  A Program is a Program.  "


Excuse me?  EXCUSE ME!  Exactly what community, other than the BBS WWASPS Board, gives Casa by the Sea a great reputation?  Give me one...one... single independent representative of any "community" who gives Casa a great reputation. Or, ...reputation for what?  Turning out "respectful, loving", terrified kids for the first 6 months they're home?  

A Program may be a Program, but perhaps Positive Impact has the staff, training, methodology to be a...well, positive impact.  Casa does not.
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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2004, 12:49:00 AM »
Says here that Mr. Craig Rogers (ALA) was once the Program Director for Positive Impact.

http://abundantlifeacademy.com/about.php
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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2004, 01:12:00 AM »
Who is Craig Rogers (i.e. would it have been bad that he was once program director for Positive Impact?)
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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2004, 03:12:00 AM »
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"Who is Craig Rogers (i.e. would it have been bad that he was once program director for Positive Impact?)"


No, it would not be bad, just a point of reference for someone looking for information about a particular program.  Besides, Rogers listed the program on his own bio which seems to me he has no objections about his past association with the program in question.
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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2004, 08:33:00 AM »
Spots endorsing Positive Impact...funny...seems to be a connection between Spots, Tim Weiner, Craig Rogers, Positive Impace, Karen Z, Steve Bozak...and so on and so on.
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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2004, 09:06:00 AM »
craig rogers was also associated with Rite of Passage.  you will find an article re: rite of passage at nospank.net  bootcamps.html
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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2004, 09:54:00 AM »
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 Casa by the Sea has a great reputation in their community, so why do you think Positive Impact is better.  A Program is a Program.  "




Excuse me?  EXCUSE ME!  Exactly what community, other than the BBS WWASPS Board, gives Casa by the Sea a great reputation?  Give me one...one... single independent representative of any "community" who gives Casa a great reputation. Or, ...reputation for what?  Turning out "respectful, loving", terrified kids for the first 6 months they're home?  



A Program may be a Program, but perhaps Positive Impact has the staff, training, methodology to be a...well, positive impact.  Casa does not."


First, who are you affiliated or in bed with that refers to Positive Impact?  Second, your grand daughter did not complete the program, her mother was bullied, or should I say threatened, by you to bring her home, or else! If she is having nightmares, guess who causes them?
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« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2004, 01:42:00 PM »
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 Casa by the Sea has a great reputation in their community, so why do you think Positive Impact is better.  A Program is a Program.  "







Excuse me?  EXCUSE ME!  Exactly what community, other than the BBS WWASPS Board, gives Casa by the Sea a great reputation?  Give me one...one... single independent representative of any "community" who gives Casa a great reputation. Or, ...reputation for what?  Turning out "respectful, loving", terrified kids for the first 6 months they're home?  





A Program may be a Program, but perhaps Positive Impact has the staff, training, methodology to be a...well, positive impact.  Casa does not."




First, who are you affiliated or in bed with that refers to Positive Impact?  Second, your grand daughter did not complete the program, her mother was bullied, or should I say threatened, by you to bring her home, or else! If she is having nightmares, guess who causes them? "


I'd guess The Program.

"Gee, if we'd only abused you some more you'd be just fine!"

Sorry, but there's *no* clinical treatment with rigorous scientific studies backing its efficacy that has the patient well at the end of treatment and having nightmares in the middle if they don't finish the treatment.

Generally, if someone gets worse in the middle of a psychiatric "treatment" of many months' duration, it's pretty good evidence that the "treatment" is on the wrong track.

Insanity is doing what you did before some more and thinking you're going to get different results.

But it's a wonderful copout for dealing with dissatisfied customers---if they decide your service is crap and leave in the middle (as most dissatisfied customers will), you blame all their problems on their having left in the middle.

It means never having to take responsibility for the psychiatric casualties of a bad treatment strategy.

Too bad for you that it's so easy for the outside world to see through that kind of cop-out.

Which is why the Programs hide as much of what they do as possible *from* the outside world, isn't it?
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